The Cure: Classic or Dud?

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Omar raised this question in the "Why are you here?" thread. I put it forth to you all. Were Robert Smith and his ever-changing band musical giants or giant whiners?

Dan Perry, Monday, 26 March 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

both

, Monday, 26 March 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

DUD

Tom, Monday, 26 March 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Dan, thanks for taking the load of my back. ;) So yeah Dud of course. Classic case of crap voice. The music is nothing special. Occasional decent single like 'A Forrest' but for the rest, it's Fat Bob innit? But I'm interested in how Ned is going to explain to us the appeal of The Cure (no, really!).

Omar, Monday, 26 March 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Sorry Tom? I didn't quite hear that. Classic, anyway. I don't claim to be their biggest fan, but listening to things like the Boys Don't Cry and Disintegration albums, the good stuff outweighs the duller moments quite comfortably.

Ally C, Monday, 26 March 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Absolutely classic in almost every conceivable way. The effortless switches from pop-punk squalling to moody atmospherics to venomous pathos to synth-pop typified by their output from '79 through '83 are impressive enough, but the fact that they went on to create pop masterpieces like _The Head On The Door_, _Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me_ and _Wish_ while retaining enough of their darkness to produce _Disintegration_ and _Bloodflowers_ makes them an essential band of the 80's and 90's. Even their lesser efforts have worthy moments (ie, "Want", "Treasure", "Jupiter Crash", "Trap", and "Gone!" from _Wild Mood Swings_, "Shake Dog Shake", "Piggy In The Mirror", "The Top" from _The Top_). And their remix album is pure money.

Anything to add, Ned?

Dan Perry, Monday, 26 March 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic, I 'spose. Not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but _Disintegration_ is very close indeed (overblown rock histrionics done flawlessly; luckily Smith doesn't whine on it much). Funny how so many of the criticisms of the band you hear refer to the concept of "Fat Bob"; in fact I'd say a lot of the attitudes towards British bands and artists on ILM seem to be heavily influenced by the media's portrayal of them.

Tim, Monday, 26 March 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The Cure represented the finest of what the Euro art rock had to offer during the 80s. They were more majestic than Depeche Mode and less metallic than the cult. Classic in my book

Luptune Pitman, Monday, 26 March 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Forgive me...as I'm relatively new to this forum, I have a hard time with these polar extremes: ('classic'versus'dud'). In the case of the Cure, I couldn't say either term applies (although one could certainly tag them to individual Cure albums). Like many bands cited around here, the Cure have changed styles in as many albums, playing everything from funereal dirges through spritely, radio-friendly pop ditties and much inbetween. I'm not saying they're a "something for eveyone" band, but musically, they've been hard to pin-down. The one strike against them, however (beyond their tonsorial problems) would be Robert's inimitably distinctive (is that a repetitious statement? like "luminous glow" or "alien outworlder") voice, which is so firmly rooted in their 80's heyday. Even if the band were to put out a radically avant-garde album of the most cutting-edge styles and sounds conceivable, the second Robert opened his mouth and let out his signature wobbly warble, it'd be the old "oh, it's the Cure again." And if you can't get beyond his voice, then there's no point in ever purchasing a Cure album, regardless of era and/or particular incarnation. That said, I think they're a marvellously diverse singles band, but I could certainly see why some would avoid them like the plauge (ho ho, pardon the pun, Camus fans). Sorry, I'll shut up now. - Alex in NYC

Alex in NYC, Monday, 26 March 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

classic. 'charlotte sometimes' is one of my favourite songs ever. each record up to and including disintegration is worth owning and even the one after disintegration is not horrible. i have no interest in them now but robert smith's guitar sound is far more influential than he gets credit for. without robert smith there would likely not be a roy montgomery, at least not in his current guise and that would be a devastating tragedy at least for myself.

keith, Monday, 26 March 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

What seems to predomine here is "I'm not actively into them NOW, but I spent the first half of my teens with the Cure on my walkman". At least I did. I believe this means classic.

Simon, Tuesday, 27 March 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Re: classic or dud polarisation.

The idea is to encourage people to be forthright in their opinion but it's not a vote or anything. It's a catchier way of saying "what do you think of this band?"

Cheers!

(PS: Dud. A couple of the singles are nice musically, even very good, but they have Smith's horrible smeared moan over the top of them. He sounds like a fourteen-year-old with a splinter in his toe: there's something wheedling about his voice which makes me want to smack him and tell him to get a grip rather than empathise with him.)

Tom, Tuesday, 27 March 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic. Part of my yoof, you see. I've whiled away many an unhappy evening in the company of 'Faith' and 'Seventeen Seconds'!

Seriously.. though it seems the norm to slag 'em off these days, it's amazing just how much good stuff they have done. 'Boy's Don't Cry'/'3 Imaginary Boys' is a great debut, whichever version you have. Scratchy wired glum-pop. In fact it's all classic up to 'The Top', their first major clunker.

'Head on the Door' is great pop. 'Kiss Me X3' is also great pop ('Just Like Heaven'), except where they try too hard to make great pop and fail ('Hot, Hot, Hot'). 'Disintegration' is their last great album. But not pop. No problem.

My last encounter with The Cure was 'Wild Mood Swings'. I swung my copy back from whence it came - Record and Tape Exchange. Still, 'Galore' sums up the later years nicely.

Anyway I like old Bob, a pop man at heart even in his gloomiest moments.

Dr. C, Tuesday, 27 March 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I think I've been asked for at least twice in this thread already. ;-)

Classic. And if you disagree with me I'll shove all twenty or so CDRs of rare and odd stuff I have of theirs down your throat and kill you. *proceeds to light candles to huge _Disintegration_ poster in room*

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 March 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Classique. They have enough great tunes and came up with some pretty original sounds. I like how they continually evolve, even if some of their evolution has produced some crap music. I could still listen to "Jumping Someone Else's Train" repeatedly after all these years. I heard some of their last record and it was really bad though. And kill that "Friday I'm in Love" dung, boys! But for the most part, great stuff.

Tim Baier, Tuesday, 27 March 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic, though their most recent stuff sucks.

The Cure are a band who, like Depeche Mode and a number of others of that ilk, should have just hung it up on December 31, 1989. Their glory days were in the 1980s, Disintegration should have been their last album. It would have been a perfect ending. Instead, they chose to put out three subpar releases in the 1990s. While Bloodflowers was a definite improvement over Wild Mood Swings (did *anyone* like that album?) and Wish (which came out at the peak of my Cure fandom and still disappointed me), it still wasn't close to the material they released during the 1980s.

Yeah, some of their stuff is whiny and pretentious. But I think they manage to pull it off reasonably well, and I think the whininess and the pretentiousness will make them staples of every sad-sack high school kid for the next thirty years, whether they continue to release new albums or not. (And hopefully they won't, judging from the poor quality of their most recent albums--I think that the more bad stuff they release, the less "legendary" they'll become.)

By the way, I *was* a teenage goth girl. I was also an early-20s goth girl. I own a velvet and lace cape and little pointy boots and black lipstick. Heh.

Nanette, Wednesday, 28 March 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Nanette, I'd argue that _Wish_ is a very underrated album. Its mood is radically different from _Disintegration_, which is one thing that I think threw people off when it came out. I, for one, really dig the snarlier tone of "Open", "Cut", "FTEOTDGS", and "End" and their juxtaposition with more contemplative "Apart", "Trust", and "To Wish Impossible Things". _Wish_ also has "High", which I consider to be the last truly great pop song that the Cure did.

_Wild Mood Swings_ is more problematic. It's a very erratic album and contains a couple of songs that never should have seen the light of day ("Mint Car", "Return"). However, it also contains the absolutely marvelous "The 13th", "Want", "Gone!" and "Jupiter Crash". Some judicious editing (and swapping some album tracks for b-sides) would make this a much better album.

For me, _Bloodflowers_ compares very well to their 80's output. It seems that the group got back into a good songwriting groove for this album, which is particularly evident on "Out Of This World", "The Loudest Sound", "The Last Day Of Summer", "Bloodflowers", and "Watching Me Fall" (Cure cliches and all). The album has a strong sense of flow and there are no embarrassing attempts to rewrite "Friday I'm In Love". It was a good ending for them, assuming that Robert's latest pronouncements about the band's demise are actually true this time.

There are individual songs I don't like, and _Wild Mood Swings_ is easily my least- favorite of their albums, but I'd be hard-pressed to say that I actively dislike any of the Cure's albums.

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 28 March 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
I'm in sympathy with the way that the 'classic' brigade have articulated that they love the band even though they can see their sillinesses, repetitions and limitations. Possibly a lot of pop love is of this kind.

the pinefox, Saturday, 28 April 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
The Cure are damned by having so many annoying fans.

They have many good tunes. However, they have many bad ones, viz "Friday I'm In Love".

Still, at their best they show an impressive ability to make both poppy goth jumpathons and total doomfests.

DV, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Dud. Possibly something worthwhile beyond Smith's vocals, but I can't get past them.

DeRayMi, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I've had a love/hate relationship with The Cure that had long since given way to indifference. but recently I've listened again to Robert Smith's 1983 collaboration album with Steve Severin - The Glove is great! (probably like how I'd rather listen to the Andy Partridge solo album Take Away/Lure Of Salvage than most XTC.)

as with many Cure detractors, Bob's voice and self-pity usually get to me. still have fond memories of Seventeen Seconds and Faith but I also enjoy some later stuff where twisted humour, all of Pornography, or tenderness, "The Upstairs Room" and "Birdmadgirl", balance out the self-loathing and sappiness.

the Laurence Tolhurst abuse didn't help Robert Smith's case (and John McGeoch was a better Banshee).

Paul, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

stop

Paul, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

The Cure are fucking appalling. As someone else already keenly observed - a classic case of having a fucking awful voice. I mean I don't mind some of the musicianship but fatboy Smith is such a twat. Really.

I had a girlfriend once who was into these boys hard and she used to play is it 'Pictures of You' (?) over and over and over (a sort of pining for a lost love I think; not me, incidentally). Anyway, it used to bore the hell out of me, not to mention what felt like a large hole in my brain.

The thing is, with the Cure, it's like the Manic Street FUCKING Preachers syndrome - people who like 'em don't just like 'em, they fucking LOVE 'em, and think they're prophets or something. No, they are miserable, half-goths with absolutely nothing to say and even less charisma.

That said, I am admit that I am hardly familiar know their canon, since I can't bear exposure to it for protracated periods.

Still; DUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUD

Roger Fascist, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually, I think it's that the boring protestations of those who don't 'get' the music always have to be matched by those who emphatically do. One defines the other ..

Dare, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Not at all, Paul. There's something about The Cure and The Preachers that triggers fervour of a disturbing religiosity in people's heads, well, in my experience anyway. And if you wanna put that to the test, gently question a more avid fan and watch them twist like they was shackled to the cross.

Hmm, having said that, I do get riled when someone fails to 'get' my favourite bands and indulges in the kind of mindless attack I have already posted against The Cure. Yet, I feel that certain bands are wont to attract a more dependent following, who hang the band's music like metaphorical rosaries. And I'm not sure that even among my most beloved artists, there are those which I could hold in such equally mindless esteem.

What say you?

Roger fascist, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
If i brooded around and had a aweful voice, would i be as good as the cure, which coincidently, isnt even good to begin with

DUD

Hayward, Thursday, 3 October 2002 02:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Oddly enough, I've never really sought out their albums; I'm sure I'll get around to it, but I'm pretty sure they'll always be available... Pretty much all of their singles, though, are flat-out amazing - how could they not be classic?

Clarke B., Thursday, 3 October 2002 04:37 (seventeen years ago) link

The albums are SO WORTH IT, Clarke.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 October 2002 11:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Quite.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 October 2002 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link

hmmmmmmm .............
dud

donna (donna), Friday, 4 October 2002 01:02 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm exactly like Clarke. Always loved what I heard, but only own 'Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me'... Last year I told a friend of mine that the reason for this is because I pretty much know that I'll like them and am just 'saving it'. Is this like some weird Cure phenomena?

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 01:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I LOVE THE CURE. They fill a niche that no other band does. From the acutely depresso Pornography stuff to the silly dance stuff to the haunting gothy Faith stuff to the blatant sunshine pop... they've done all this convincingly and well. Did they invent the drugged up goofy romantic miserable goth ecstatic giddy thing?

Yet I do wonder how much my own nosatlgia plays a role. I still think Wish is great, despite every. review. ever. written. Maybe if I hadn't listened to it for the 1st time as a teenager travelling thru Europe with schoomates I'd think differently.

Aaron A., Friday, 4 October 2002 03:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Where to start, Ned and Dan? I'm thinking _Pornography_, but some of their _Disintegration_-era stuff kills me (esp. "Lovesong").

Also, I really really like the Wolfgang Press song on _Lonely is an Eyesore_, but I've heard their recordings are pretty patchy. Any recommendations there?

Clarke B., Friday, 4 October 2002 05:30 (seventeen years ago) link

In your place I'd start with 17 Seconds, Clarke. It has their greatest song on it, "A Forest" and I find it the darkest and most powerful of their records. A lot of their stuff didn't age too well (even Disintegration), but this record definitely stood the test of time.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 4 October 2002 07:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I wouldn't go for _Pornography_ first; I think I'd get _Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me_ and the cassette version of _Standing On A Beach_ in order to get the b-sides.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 4 October 2002 11:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Classic until "Stranding on a Beach" came out, after which they descended into the depths of self-parody.

TMFTML (TMFTML), Friday, 4 October 2002 17:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I kinda saved them also, Kim - owned the two singles compilations for years before actually buying my first proper album (Disintegration) just this year. Though I do like it, it hasn't swayed me into snatching up the others yet. Maybe in another four years I'll get another one.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Friday, 4 October 2002 17:51 (seventeen years ago) link

They fill(ed?) a niche no one else did (which I usually characterize as "Harlequin romance rock") and they did a perfectly accomplished and unique job of it most of the time but it's not one I care to listen to much at all. I can play Pornography maybe a couple times per year and it's sometimes nice to hear the singles on the radio but overall there's not a big connection. And I couldn't imagine sitting through a whole album of stuff like "In Between Days" or "Let's Go to Bed". The singles comp (Staring At the Sea?) is probably as much as I'd need of that. I'd buy Disintegration if I thought I'd ever listen to it. Wish and Wild Mood Swings were awful.

sundar subramanian, Friday, 4 October 2002 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I honestly cannot comprehend how _Wish_ is AWFUL.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 4 October 2002 18:34 (seventeen years ago) link

the cure were/are one of the best bands for dancing to whilst only wearing underwear...hopefully not by yourself...

g (graysonlane), Friday, 4 October 2002 18:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Ok, I'm a liar. I totally forgot that I also had 'Standing on a Beach' on cassette - played it to death. I don't have it anymore though. I think my brother "borrowed" it and never gave it back! Ooooh...that little...

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I like just like heaven, I'm going to get Kiss me times 3.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:43 (seventeen years ago) link

classic classic classic and why should you not dance to the cure in underwear by yourself! unless you are wearing the underwear out to the goth dance club, of course.

teeny (teeny), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Have you ever been to a goth dance club? Underwear as outerwear is pretty much de rigeur.

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Clarke, start with Disintegration first, and then try Seventeen Seconds and then Pornography. I've argued elsethread about this already so I won't go into the details here...just click the link, cause there's a lot of other good talk there anyhow.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Pretend that there's a smiley at the end of my last post. I sound like a meanie otherwise.

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:57 (seventeen years ago) link

ten months pass...
"And yet Robert Smith - the Chatterton of Crawley - had created if not a wall of sound then a very high hedge of sound, over which he seemed to peer at the world like a boy who couldn't be bothered to ask for his ball back."

the "cure=suburbia" part of Michael Bracewell's England Is Mine is one of the best things ever!

etc, Wednesday, 20 August 2003 08:54 (sixteen years ago) link

"Join the Dots" (B Sides and rarities) is out on October 21st. I presume it'll have the much talked about Cassette b sides from Standing on a Beach on it, but does anyone know that actual tracklisting is?

flowersdie (flowersdie), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 09:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Hopefully it'll have the stuff off "curiosity", too. And that soundtrack they did.

Classic, BTW. Again, my mid-teens coincided with Disintegration and I was full-on obsessed for a couple of years. I bought a shedload of albums at Oxfam last year, and a friend and I drove our GF/wives insane by listening, back to back, to 17 Seconds, Faith, Pornography and the Top. Divorce was on the horizon by the end of that evening.

Jim Eaton-Terry (Jim E-T), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:04 (sixteen years ago) link

Hopefully it'll have the stuff off "curiosity", too. And that soundtrack they did.

Thing is, there are SO many B-sides and rarities which have officially surfaced that they'd have to put out a box set. As it is, if the remasters that are surfacing next year are going to include bonus discs for each with room for other oddities, then that will partially settle the problem.

Thy Lethal Zen Ned (Ned), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:42 (sixteen years ago) link

They were very fun at Roskilde, and it's remarkable how gracefully Robert Smith has aged. He looks like my grandma when she was in her eighties, and it looks as if he really leans into it, and it's really rock'n'roll. It's also nice that they didn't have a mediocre new album they had to promote, and the Cure sound is just made for festivals.

Frederik B, Sunday, 28 July 2019 19:42 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

is anyone from this board going to the show this weekend? i'm still not sure if i'm going because of everything that is going on with my life. any of those issues don't seem to outweigh that one BIG positive one. The Cure are playing one date in the United States this year, outside the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ceremony, and it's in my back yard. how can i not go to this show?

Bee OK, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 00:25 (two months ago) link

I'll be there dogg

DT, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 00:34 (two months ago) link

You have to go

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 01:12 (two months ago) link

i saw them a couple of weeks ago and it was SO great. they are currently a finely honed machine.

stirmonster, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 01:23 (two months ago) link

I’m going. It’ll be fun. My main Q as an outoftowner is if the public transportation options are actually going to be workable

alomar lines, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 04:51 (two months ago) link

that is a good question. i was looking at getting to Union Station and getting there that way. the problem is getting home as most things seem to stop at that time of night. so to get home, if i got there via Union Station, is Uber.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 20:57 (two months ago) link

Hit with a lot of expenses this month, but we're going to try for last minute closeout deals on StubHub.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 29 August 2019 02:15 (two months ago) link

24 hours and counting down.

...still don't know if i'm going.

Bee OK, Friday, 30 August 2019 19:20 (two months ago) link

go! they're always great live.

StanM, Friday, 30 August 2019 19:22 (two months ago) link

Bee OK, you gotta go.

☮ (peace, man), Friday, 30 August 2019 19:29 (two months ago) link

it's going to, eh, be ok!

StanM, Friday, 30 August 2019 19:41 (two months ago) link

i know i really do need to go and i haven't seen the Pixies since the last time they opened for the Cure at Dodger Stadium in 1989. there is just this thing called life that is getting in the way. i'm trying tho.

Bee OK, Friday, 30 August 2019 19:46 (two months ago) link

at least a few of my friends went. the one I talked to afterward is one of the most rabid Cure fans I've ever seen. She was miserable in the heat all day but said their set about made up for it (and then she met some of the band at the hotel later that night including Robert). But I'm glad I opted not to fly down for this

akm, Tuesday, 3 September 2019 22:26 (two months ago) link

My sistrah went

forever and ever ramen (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 22:36 (two months ago) link

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/the-cure/2019/brookside-park-pasadena-ca-639f6a7b.html

The Cure, as you can see, played 27 songs over two and a half hours at the Pasadena Daydream Festival. Pixies also got a full set with a 25 songs. the BIG deal with the Cure part is they played "Just One Kiss" live for the first time ever in the United States. i could only find a three song clip but holy fuck is this good1

"Just One Kiss" starts at the four minute mark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28L4CnT2XAI

Bee OK, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 05:29 (two months ago) link

BTW, i got sick and didn't make the show. mad about that as i watched the whole thing on YouTube and it looked and sounded fantastic.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 23:33 (two months ago) link

Hope you were able to sell your tickets!

DT, Thursday, 12 September 2019 04:32 (two months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Robert announces three new vaporware albums to put on your imaginary shelf alongside 4:14 Scream, 4:26 Dream, Reflections, Live In Paris, his 1990 solo album, his 2001 solo album, the Wish deluxe reissue...

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 19:16 (one month ago) link

The correct approach to this news.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 20:12 (one month ago) link

that link, when clicked by me at this point in time, does nothing except load endlessly into nothing.

what's the news?

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 20:20 (one month ago) link

Robert Smith is leading an Antarctic expedition

imago, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 20:21 (one month ago) link

nice; surely on the hunt to recapture some of that chilly goth atmosphere for the forthcoming dark album.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 20:45 (one month ago) link

worth clicking again to see how Jason has somehow become the oldest member of The Cure

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 20:49 (one month ago) link

I’m seeing them in Mexico City tonight!

The weather had been all nice and sunny for the past 4 days and today it has been cold and cloudy with a little bit of rain. Feels like it was on purpose.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 21:04 (one month ago) link

ahh man! definitely looking forward to your review if you feel so compelled.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 21:06 (one month ago) link

Of course! Cure has a passionate fanbase in Mexico, I’m very excited to see them here.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 21:12 (one month ago) link

Enjoy Moka! If their Glasto show is anything to go by, you'll have a splendid time.

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 21:14 (one month ago) link

Yeah that link doesn't work for me either. What is it?

Duke, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 21:32 (one month ago) link

he said that they're preparing three albums. I saw the headline on the book of faces. I take it with a grain of salt.

akm, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 21:34 (one month ago) link

ahh.

nme coverage.

yeah none of that sounds very promising at all, honestly.

hope i'm wrong and something new comes out and it's actually decent. but uhh. . . probably not.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 21:47 (one month ago) link

Here's a Cure album that never was: my take on what sounds like a could-have-been, maybe was-going-to-be album circa 'Wild Mood Swings' but that focused in the aesthetic and mood with the through-line of string arrangements. Made from a few tracks from WMS and contemporaneous b-sides: 'This Is A Lie':

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGZch5NXkAAbgSb?format=jpg&name=large

https://www.mediafire.com/download/8f97pneclpg72ut


The Cure - 'This Is A Lie' (1996)
[The Wild Mood Swings Era Reconsidered]

01 - Adonais
02 - Jupiter Crash*
03 - A Pink Dream
04 - Treasure*
05 - Home
06 - Waiting
07 - Dredd Song
08 - It Used to Be Me
09 - Numb*
10 - Ocean
11 - Bare*
12 - This Is A Lie (Ambient Mix)

Total Time: 53:43

* From 'Wild Mood Swings'

Soundslike, Wednesday, 9 October 2019 01:06 (one month ago) link

Get rid of Dredd Song and that would be 100% fire

brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, 9 October 2019 02:26 (one month ago) link

Ok, they are incredibly tight live. It feels like listening to the actual album, some songs even sound better than the studio version.

I might be biased because they are two of my favorite Cure songs but “A Forest” and “Close to Me” were great and the band seemed specially lively playing those. Simon even did a small cumbia bass coda at the end of the former following the claps of the audience and Robert was doing some sort of dance and smiling throughout the later. Lovesong was also great and an early highlight in the setlist, they also seemed to be having fun playing Lovecats.

The only song in the whole setlist that they seemed miserable playing was Friday I’m In Love. I thought Just Like Heaven would also sound exhausted but they sounded very at ease with that one.

The second encore was filled with early songs that hadn’t been played in the American festivals they did beforehand this year: Three Imaginary Boys, Grinding Halt, 10:15 Saturday Night, Killing an Arab, Jumping Someone Else’s Train were all played at the end.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 9 October 2019 06:45 (one month ago) link

wild mood swings era without 'want' is a bold, wrong move

imago, Wednesday, 9 October 2019 11:01 (one month ago) link

I was focused on the string arrangement common thread, when I culled the selections for 'This Is A Lie'. If the synth strings in "Want" were real strings, I'd probably slot it in in lieu of "Dredd Song".

I really think the band could have been thinking of an album like this collection--so many of the tracks even have segue sections that help the tracks flow pretty seamlessly. An odd thing to bother with, for a b-side...

Soundslike, Wednesday, 9 October 2019 13:06 (one month ago) link

ahh man moka, you got 'lovecats'!!! sounds like a great night. would love to see them do 'gridning halt' as well. that song is so enduring and catchy!

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 9 October 2019 16:00 (one month ago) link

if i ever see them i demand an hour-long 'watching me fall' followed by 'give me it' and then the curtain falls to booing

imago, Wednesday, 9 October 2019 16:53 (one month ago) link

if i ever see them i demand an hour-long 'watching me fall' followed by 'give me it' and then the curtain falls to booing

would attend this.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 9 October 2019 18:06 (one month ago) link

Aw, they didn't play Lovecats when I saw them :(

Frederik B, Wednesday, 9 October 2019 19:42 (one month ago) link

It was its tour debut last night iirc.

Here’s the full setlist they played for almost 3 hours:

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/the-cure/2019/foro-sol-mexico-city-mexico-339c4c8d.html

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 9 October 2019 19:47 (one month ago) link

wow, that's a really varied setlist. must have been a total blast.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 9 October 2019 20:51 (one month ago) link

if i ever see them i demand an hour-long 'watching me fall' followed by 'give me it' and then the curtain falls to booing

RS would never concede to a set this short, they'll only compromise to cut down to two hours for festivals

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Wednesday, 9 October 2019 21:11 (one month ago) link

that is an insane setlist. you must have had a blast Moka!

Bee OK, Wednesday, 9 October 2019 23:33 (one month ago) link

https://www.instagram.com/p/B3i4ttvHocN/?igshid=12oxiuwbhn496

guys if fucking simon gallup dies, it will seriously be terrible.

i hope i'm reading too deeply into this and he's just fine.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 14 October 2019 02:42 (one month ago) link

V good new interview tied in with the release of the Anniversary/Cureation sets; it's the second part of a longer interview Kory Grow did with him a few months back:

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/cure-band-robert-smith-interview-40-live-893005/amp/

Ned Raggett, Friday, 18 October 2019 16:31 (one month ago) link

Also should you be so inclined one of my projects on my Patreon is an album by album series Robert and company -- won't be monthly, maybe every other month or so. First one went live earlier in the week:

https://www.patreon.com/posts/cure-reflections-30754630

Ned Raggett, Friday, 18 October 2019 16:32 (one month ago) link

You’ve never been very political. Roger Waters, who played the day before you in Hyde Park, had a lot of anti-Trump messaging. Do you feel artists should be more political nowadays?
I don’t think there’s a rule. Some artists are very good at it. It requires a number of different things. One is the music that you make has to reinforce where you’re going with what you’re saying. And from a young age, I’ve always held what could be considered a socialist viewpoint on the world. That’s why I wail against inequality. What’s wrong with the world is essentially inequality. But it isn’t reflected in what I want the Cure to be. I wanted the Cure to be something that I could escape into. For me, it was an escape from the world. Like when I was doing the “Love Cats” video, and I’m there caressing kittens, I can’t turn around and say, “By the way, I’ll tell you what’s wrong with the world.” It’s beyond absurd. Although now cuddling kittens would probably be a political statement in the state we’re in.

But you are political.
Behind the scenes, the Cure has always been politically active but usually pretty anonymously. It suits the way the band works, and everyone is much more comfortable with that rather than me being overt. They despair sometimes when I’ve had a few beers and I’ve done shows and I start spouting off. They’re like, “Please, don’t start.” Because once I start, it’s very hard to stop. I think it’s a great thing to be able to get up in front of people and convince people of what’s right and what’s wrong, although that depends on who you think is right and who is wrong.

brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:35 (one month ago) link

I legit cheered when I read this. (Also this bolsters my argument for why "Us or Them" is so terrible; Robert is not good at putting explicit political expression into songs, not in the way he is at doing relationship imagery and emotional states.)

brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, 18 October 2019 16:39 (one month ago) link

Definitely the most clear I think I've read on him on these points. Sign of a good interviewer at work too (though for years I've always felt people could be clearer in questions about the difference between being political and being politicized, but that's another subject).

Ned Raggett, Friday, 18 October 2019 16:44 (one month ago) link


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