RFI: Brazilian samba

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I'd like to get some authentic samba stuff going beyond the Gilberto crowd. Rawness and percussion are good things in my book. Where to start?

Jordan, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Currently eyeing David Byrne's Brazilian comps.

Jordan, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

the record that started it all:

antonio carlos jobim & luiz bonfa - black orpheus ost

also: milt banana - sambas de bossa (note: not to be confused with japanese fringecore spazz band of similar name) jorge ben - samba esquema novo elis regina - samba eu canto assim

if you want raw/rhythmic: bola sete has some afro-samba meets modern jazz arrangements that are particularly "out" - his take on "samba de orfeu" is one of many pretty wild takes on samba standards.

http://gygax.pitas.com, Tuesday, 26 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

How syrupy is that Jobim record?

Josh, Tuesday, 26 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Here's what Lois Maffeo had to say about it:

This impressionistic score from Marcel Camus's 1958 cinematic retelling of the Greek myth of Orpheus was most Americans' introduction to the Brazilian musical style called bossa nova. As it became a nationwide craze that featured both Brazilian samba and U.S. cool-jazz participants, the names of Black Orpheus composers Antonio Carlos Jobim and Luiz Bonfa became familiar far beyond the hi-fi set. Along with the haunting theme song, "Manha de Carnaval," and several Jobim compositions are the vibrant street sounds of the pre-Lenten festival Carnaval, which provides the backdrop to the tragic love story of Orpheus and Eurydice. The score is awash with percussive samba rhythms and the laughter and chanting of the annual festival melee. This is a great disc to play when the day needs a parade.

http://gygax.pitas.com, Tuesday, 26 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Jordan, I've been wanting to locate the same thing. I have the Byrne Volume 2, O Samba. It's not bad, but I doubt if it's what you're looking for. The recordings are from roughly 1973-83 and not the least bit raw. Also. steer clear of anything bossa nova, which denotes a softer pop/jazz style. Don't get me wrong, I love early 60s bossa, like Byrd and Getz, as well as the cheesy lounge and soundtrack stuff, but that's a whole different bag. A couple of comps I have been considering: Brazil - Roots - Samba and The Rough Guide to Samba. They look like they could have more of the raw, indigenous stuff.

Curt, Tuesday, 26 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Pick up anything called Samba de Enredo if you're looking for a bit of raw. It's the Carnaval stuff with full batucada. If you want something more studio-ish then try the batucada series put out by Mr Bongo. My favourite samba vocalists are Xango de Mangueira, Clementina de Jesus, Clara Nunes... Well these are the ones that spring to mind. Samba is a huge area; field studies get carried out, theses get written. I myself know much more about rhythms from northeast Brazil, but samba is funky and fun. Whereabouts are you? If you're here in the UK and want to know more I can put you in touch with some poeple who play samba on a regular basis. I have friends who go to parties (when invited!) and play caixa, repinique, surdo, ganza, tamburim, etc and they are bloody brilliant. Hope it helps...

Daniel, Thursday, 28 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Daniel, you are brazilian right? where are you from?

Chupa-Cabras, Thursday, 28 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Sou ingles, rapaz! I spent three years in Brazil between 95 and 98 and am now back in my native England.

Daniel, Friday, 1 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks Daniel, and everyone. I'm in Madison, Wisconsin btw, and I'm researching the music mostly for playing purposes.

I got the Byrne comp, some of it's a little too smooth but a few tracks are awesome. I also got some hot mp3s from Sergio Mendes, Bola Sete, and some capoeira stuff that helped with my percussion arrangements. I'll keep checking for the Samba de Enredo, it sounds great.

Jordan, Friday, 1 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

five years pass...

Listening to Jards Macale self titled album from 1972. Their percussion/bass combo has tons of locked tight grooves, almost as if Brazilians had been listening to tons of the funkier side of Can/Neu/Faust. Much of the acoustic guitar work is similar to the amazing solo work on Marcos Valle's "Escape", if that speaks to you. One of the best Brazilian records to come my way in a long time, one of their tracks is on the new Soul Jazz comp, but man this record is worth having on it's own. The track on the Soul Jazz is nowhere near their best.

oscar, Sunday, 3 February 2008 02:12 (twelve years ago) link

I will have to check that out. Meanwhile the Suunday February 3rd NY Times had an article about women getting ready for Carnival: “Carnival is all about vanity, but it has changed,” said Ms. Vidal, 27. “It used to exalt whoever could dance samba the best. Now it is more about who looks more glamorous.”

Mr. Parcias, the personal trainer in Leblon, knows that only too well. Last week, some 40 people attended his one-hour class. They were of all ages, but were mostly young women in form-fitting bodysuits. They seemed utterly focused, staring ahead at the mirror and never uttering a complaint.

The Carnival classes, held five days a week, begin five weeks before the event. “Some people get here before Carnival and they are desperate to start training after a full year where they’ve done almost no training,” he said. “Some people go overboard, but of course we discourage that.”

curmudgeon, Monday, 4 February 2008 19:10 (twelve years ago) link

four months pass...

i got the 2nd brazil classics comp on luaka bop and some of it is SO fucking good. the track by alcione i think has become one of my favourite songs ever. trying to find more by her but its either fucking impossible or really expensive. but i love her voice.

titchyschneiderMk2, Friday, 6 June 2008 17:59 (twelve years ago) link

seven months pass...

$125 bucks for the Samba Obamba Ball Inauguaration Ball in DC club Rumberos an upscale and spacious LatinAmerican art-bar and restaurant conveniently
located in the heart of Columbia Heights in the old Gala Theater building

food, open bar and proceeds go to Brazilian and DC good causes but that's alot (even if it's cheaper than official events)

curmudgeon, Friday, 9 January 2009 05:37 (eleven years ago) link

Transatlantic Dementia (PappaWheelie V), Friday, 9 January 2009 06:17 (eleven years ago) link

two years pass...

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/articles/42018/diogo-nogueira-at-artisphere/

This guy's not bad

curmudgeon, Thursday, 5 January 2012 15:25 (eight years ago) link

eight years pass...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/31/obituaries/aldir-blanc-mendes-dead.htm

Aldir Blanc samba lyricist RIP

curmudgeon, Monday, 7 September 2020 21:34 (two weeks ago) link

Aldir Blanc in Brazil with a guitarist named João Bosco who wrote the music, he wrote the lyrics for “O Bêbado e a Equilibrista” (“The Drunk and the Tightrope Walker”), written in 1978, was ostensibly about a Charlie Chaplin film."....subtly criticized Brazil’s government and called for the peaceful return of political refugees. Sung soulfully by Elis Regina, it became a kind of amnesty anthem and a popular call for the reinstitution of democracy.....his songs reflecting the hardscrabble lives and language of the working-class neighborhoods where he lived, according to Hugo Sukman, the author of “Parallel Stories — 50 Years of Brazilian Music” (2011

curmudgeon, Monday, 7 September 2020 21:47 (two weeks ago) link

one of the greatest.

a few weeks later, the approved emergency aid for culture was named "Aldir Blanc Law".

where do all these unsold amps go? (gaudio), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 00:23 (one week ago) link

Pick up anything called Samba de Enredo if you're looking for a bit of raw. It's the Carnaval stuff with full batucada.
― Daniel

otm

where do all these unsold amps go? (gaudio), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 00:26 (one week ago) link

This Alcione album rules, highly recommended:

https://www.discogs.com/Alcione-A-Voz-Do-Samba/master/564264

brimstead, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 04:12 (one week ago) link

so I have a question: I recently rediscovered this South African house jam from 2016, and I love it, but... the chant/melody (and not just that) is totally samba and sounds very familiar as well (unless it's just the memory from the first times I heard it lol) - it must be copied or sampled from something Brazilian, no? anybody have any ideas? there's no clues at all in the comments in the various YouTubes for this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hQwvKjjU7w
DJ Clock ft. Chicco Twala • Saba Kufa

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Monday, 14 September 2020 18:56 (one week ago) link

bump

still hoping someone can help me out here

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Friday, 18 September 2020 07:25 (four days ago) link


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