David Brooks - GANGSTA!

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Gangsta, in French
By DAVID BROOKS

After 9/11, everyone knew there was going to be a debate about the future of Islam. We just didn't know the debate would be between Osama bin Laden and Tupac Shakur.

Yet those seem to be the lifestyle alternatives that are really on offer for poor young Muslim men in places like France, Britain and maybe even the world beyond. A few highly alienated and fanatical young men commit themselves to the radical Islam of bin Laden. But most find their self-respect by embracing the poses and worldview of American hip-hop and gangsta rap.

One of the striking things about the scenes from France is how thoroughly the rioters have assimilated hip-hop and rap culture. It's not only that they use the same hand gestures as American rappers, wear the same clothes and necklaces, play the same video games, and sit with the same sorts of car stereos at full blast. It's that they seem to have adopted the same poses of exaggerated manhood, the same attitudes about women, money and the police. They seem to have replicated the same sort of gang culture, the same romantic visions of gunslinging drug dealers.

In a globalized age it's perhaps inevitable that the culture of resistance gets globalized, too. What we are seeing is what Mark Lilla of the University of Chicago calls a universal culture of the wretched of the earth. The images, modes and attitudes of hip-hop and gangsta rap are so powerful they are having a hegemonic effect across the globe.

American ghetto life, at least as portrayed in rap videos, now defines for the young, poor and disaffected what it means to be oppressed. Gangsta resistance is the most compelling model for how to rebel against that oppression. If you want to stand up and fight The Man, the Notorious B.I.G. shows the way.

This is a reminder that for all the talk about American cultural hegemony, American countercultural hegemony has always been more powerful. America's rebellious countercultural heroes exert more influence around the world than the clean establishment images from Disney and McDonald's. This is our final insult to the anti-Americans; we define how to be anti-American, and the foreigners who attack us are reduced to borrowing our own clichés.

When rap first came to France, American rappers dominated the scene, but now the suburban immigrant neighborhoods have produced their own stars in their own language. French rap lyrics today are like the American gangsta lyrics of about five or 10 years ago, when it was more common to fantasize about cop killings and gang rape.

Most of the lyrics can't be reprinted in this newspaper, but you can get a sense of them from, say, a snippet from a song from Bitter Ministry: "Another woman takes her beating./This time she's called Brigitte./She's the wife of a cop. " Or this from Mr. R's celebrated album "PolitiKment IncorreKt": "France is a bitch. ... Don't forget to [deleted] her to exhaustion. You have to treat her like a whore, man! ... My niggers and my Arabs, our playground is the street with the most guns!"

The French gangsta pose is familiar. It is built around the image of the strong, violent hypermacho male, who loudly asserts his dominance and demands respect. The gangsta is a brave, countercultural criminal. He has nothing but rage for the institutions of society: the state and the schools. He shows his own cruel strength by dominating women. It is perhaps no accident that until the riots, the biggest story coming out of these neighborhoods was the rise of astonishing and horrific gang rapes.

In other words, what we are seeing in France will be familiar to anyone who watched gangsta culture rise in this country. You take a population of young men who are oppressed by racism and who face limited opportunities, and you present them with a culture that encourages them to become exactly the sort of people the bigots think they are - and you call this proud self-assertion and empowerment. You take men who are already suspected by the police because of their color, and you romanticize and encourage criminality so they will be really despised and mistreated. You tell them to defy oppression by embracing self-destruction.

In America, at least, gangsta rap is sort of a game. The gangsta fan ends up in college or law school. But in France, the barriers to ascent are higher. The prejudice is more impermeable, and the labor markets are more rigid. There really is no escape.

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 11 November 2005 04:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Neo-con Brooks is so predictable--a few statements I agree with mixed in with predictable right wing blather. With the NY Times charging to read their columnists now, I don't read him anymore (unless he's reprinted). I guess he had someone feed him some misogynistic French rap lyrics while he/they ignored those of say MC Solaar which do not fit his theory. Those French rappers should treat women with respect like Brooks' current fave Sam Alito does in his decisions (not). As usual Brooks does not offer any solutions to address the problems.

curmudgeon (Steve K), Friday, 11 November 2005 05:04 (seventeen years ago) link

As usual, O-Dub's on top of it.

(What points do you agree with btw?!)

deej.. (deej..), Friday, 11 November 2005 05:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually on re-reading it not much. American culture is hegemonic, but his descriptions of it are not too accurate. Many American rappers(e.g., Mannie Fresh and Snoop and the Ying Yang Twins) are not exactly feminists but that's a discussion for another thread, and should not be read as a defense of Brooks or a suggestion that they have somehow incited the behavior Brooks alleges is going on now in France.

curmudgeon (Steve K), Friday, 11 November 2005 05:56 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.slate.com/id/2130120/

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 11 November 2005 06:01 (seventeen years ago) link

That Slate piece is great. Has Jody been writing about French rap at slate or elsewhere? Is that the same Jody who has that fascinating blog about music from the 1910s and 1920s?

curmudgeon (Steve K), Friday, 11 November 2005 06:09 (seventeen years ago) link

French rap lyrics today are like the American gangsta lyrics of about five or 10 years ago, when it was more common to fantasize about cop killings and gang rape.

This is my favorite part. It makes so little sense in the context of the article (and in general). Is he trying to demonstrate his street cred?

What an amazingly huge ninny. I bet when he runs into certain senators, they feel that familiar tingle their chest and have to restrain themselves from clutching his underwear and yanking it up over his head.

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 11 November 2005 14:18 (seventeen years ago) link

As usual, O-Dub's on top of it.

(What points do you agree with btw?!)

The best part of this is when he says Brooks is distoring the rappers' meaning by quoting only a single line of their lyrics. (As opposed to that line and the next, where I'm sure the rapper rescinded his prior lyric.)

YAAAY liberals!!!

Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 11 November 2005 14:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Huh?

curmudgeon (Steve K), Friday, 11 November 2005 14:25 (seventeen years ago) link

From deej's "Poplicks" article:

"His choice to highlight a few verses from different French rap groups is particularly disingenuous. Cultural forms have such a diverse range of expressions that there's no way you can reduce a community of voices into a single line or two. As a political pundit, you'd think Brooks would know better - he'd never argue that the views of the late Strom Thurmond could be said to represent the entire American political establishment."

Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 11 November 2005 14:29 (seventeen years ago) link

How is that arguing that the rappers' meaning was distorted? If anything, it says that things like gang rape and cop killing are still atypical in music and do shock people! I think it's disingenuous if you're trying to comment on a mob that's outside your door today by quoting songs from over a decade ago by using lyrics that were out of the norm at the time and now.

mike h. (mike h.), Friday, 11 November 2005 14:35 (seventeen years ago) link

that Ministère Amer lyric is ancient. they split up in the mid 90s! hardly proof that the French are "a decade behind the US".

Brooks also obviously cribbed it from a City Journal article from 2002

zebedee (zebedee), Friday, 11 November 2005 14:39 (seventeen years ago) link

um, sounds like he's saying you can't judge french rap in general by a few lyrics. not that you can't judge whatever rapper he's quoting by a few lyrics.

but also you can't really judge a rappper by a few lyrics.

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 11 November 2005 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Confounded are you on crack?

deej.. (deej..), Friday, 11 November 2005 14:59 (seventeen years ago) link

You're right, guys! You can't judge people by what they say! That's fucked!

Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 11 November 2005 15:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Brooks' column sucks, but then so do the counter-arguments raised here.

Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 11 November 2005 15:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Yr going to have to be more specific bro! So far you sound crazy.

deej.. (deej..), Friday, 11 November 2005 15:17 (seventeen years ago) link

no way you can reduce a community of voices into a single line or two.no way you can reduce a community of voices into a single line or two.no way you can reduce a community of voices into a single line or two.no way you can reduce a community of voices into a single line or two.no way you can reduce a community of voices into a single line or two.

deej.. (deej..), Friday, 11 November 2005 15:22 (seventeen years ago) link

in other words, you need reading comprehension skillz.

deej.. (deej..), Friday, 11 November 2005 15:22 (seventeen years ago) link

YAAY liberals!

deej.. (deej..), Friday, 11 November 2005 15:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Did anyone say that advocating misogyny or violence were awesome? Brooks made generalizations about today's French rap scene based on two quotes from years ago that were atypical. That's all we're saying! I think that if those lyrics are accurate and not in a staged context (i.e. one rapper playing the 'bad' character) then it's repulsive. Few people are going to argue that.

I mean, I can say that Ice-T made a song about killing cops, but that's definitely not the whole story when the song is a reaction against police brutality and the same guy currently plays a cop on a tv show.

mike h. (mike h.), Friday, 11 November 2005 15:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Brooks statements take anecdotal evidence of a trend that he percieves but does not really understand, and then apply that evidence to a situation that is ENTIRELY different in hopes of shedding some light on it for people who don't understand.

What's going on in France right now has NOTHING to do with what Biggie, Tupac, or any other rapper has gone through, except that there is violence being perpetuated by brown people against the will of the government. Here, the violence was drugs and gang-related violence; there, the over-flow of tension and frustration due to race-based government policy and the inability to do anything else.

Brooks' writing is poor, his conclusions are founded on very little that is hard, relevant or up-to-date factually, and, based upon the Slate article, he didn't even do any of his own research.

Fuck that guy. And his spot in the NYTimes.

Big Loud Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Friday, 11 November 2005 15:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Brooks = an idiot.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 11 November 2005 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm surprised that some apparently smart people take David Brooks seriously enough to spend time criticizing him.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Friday, 11 November 2005 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Good point Rasheed, I sometimes think the same thing. Brooks' credibility was destroyed ages ago, he's a joke. He's amazing in the way that he can go on and on and say nothing, that's impressive. But with someone as visible as Brooks I think a good critique is necessary from time to time.

TRG (TRG), Friday, 11 November 2005 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link

The thing that makes this piece worthy of criticism is GANGSTA RAP!

I mean come on: david brooks + french gangsta rap = fun!

Right?

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 11 November 2005 17:59 (seventeen years ago) link

But I love Brooks for precisely that! He's so dopey and well-meaning and has all these dad-like theories about bobos and French rap -- he's earnest informed suburban-guy extraordinaire, and I get a huge kick out of imagining him hanging out at the grill with Richard Roeper, talking about new mp3 players. And so most importantly I love the fact that he is constantly and continually being wrong and then getting totally owned on it, even going so far here as to give music critics a chance to sit up and reclaim "our" territory. I mean, the highlight of the last election, so far as I was concerned, was watching the PBS coverage with Brooks and Mark Shields, which consisted mostly of eager gopher-like Brooks getting all excited and earnest about some theory or interpretation he had, and then schlumpy cranky-looking Shields basically going "dude, what the hell are you talking about?" and taking him apart, and then Brooks looking all sad and defeated in that "geez, guys, I was only saying" kinda way. The guy is quality entertainment, the mostly lovable always-doofy always-wrong suburban dad in the Op-Ed universe (and how great is it that he always tries to drop the stuff he might actually know about and swing out into culture, the place where he sounds more clueless-doofy-dad than anywhere?).

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:01 (seventeen years ago) link

C'mon, you know this whole riot thing could have been avoided if the Muslims in the banlieues were rocking more of this shit:

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o. nate (onate), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:01 (seventeen years ago) link

xxpost
Hehehe - of course. And it's just like fucking Brooks to take on a subject like that w/ so much fake authority. I picture a bunch of Connecticut idiots reading the piece on the train and feeling enlightened afterwards.

TRG (TRG), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:03 (seventeen years ago) link

What doe in mean to "up a person"?

Sorry I am a french.

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I picture a bunch of Connecticut idiots reading the piece on the train and feeling enlightened afterwards.

Because those are exactly the sort of people you want to have an affirmative view of French rap. Honestly, who cares?

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Does anyone actually read David Brooks and not think he's an idiot? Do conservatives read the Times at all?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Nabisco - Funny point. I watched the Shields/Brook coverage in horror - I stopped thinking it was entertaining at a certain point. But really, it's not like Shields was much better. It would be funnier if Brooks wasn't taken so seriously by just about everybody; turn on the radio, there he is, turn on TV , there he is, etc. And he's constantly referenced. Enough!! He's the most boring thinker of the ages!

TRG (TRG), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:08 (seventeen years ago) link

"thinker"

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Does anyone actually read David Brooks and not think he's an idiot

I'd like to think you were right but I don't think you are.

TRG (TRG), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Nabisco - The thing that really caps off the hilarity of the whole Brooks schtick is that he's a stooge for some of the most ill-intentioned people in the world.

It's like your uncle got tricked into being a drug mule. "They told me to stick it up my ass and get on the plane. Seemed like nice enough fellows."

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh I know there are people who wouldn't think he was an idiot, but I just don't think most of them read the New York Times.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Brooks is a crafty writer, and while his theories might not be worth much in terms of sociological insight, they do offer a wealth of opportunities for the reader to feel a sense of smug complacency.

It's nice to have a framework for understanding these thorny social issues that confirms the innate superiority of American culture as well as the fact that the less fortunate have themselves to blame, and to have this framework neatly served up in a bundle of 1000 words or so, at which point we can shake our heads knowingly at the folly of the ivory-tower lefties who spend so much time thinking about these problems and end up with needlessly elaborate theories when the answer is so simple in Brooksworld.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:23 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't know, Alex, I think they do read the Times. He's the conservative that Times readers/NY liberals can live with and even like from time to time. NY liberals vote for Bloomberg, why wouldn't they like Brooks?

TRG (TRG), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I picture a bunch of Connecticut idiots reading the piece on the train and feeling enlightened afterwards.

Oh, come on! Fairfield County's part of New York!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I remember that Katrina response was so bad that even Brooks was shocked into clarity on the PBS Newshour and on a coupla columns.

it lasted a little while, then evaporated.

xpost:

who remember all the fun bugfuck insane Election year Brooks columns about democrat blue-staters(or whatever) being elitists and not eating at Bennigans or Fuddruckers?

kingfish cold slither (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:25 (seventeen years ago) link

NY liberals vote for Bloomberg, why wouldn't they like Brooks?

Yeah all Republicans are the same.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:29 (seventeen years ago) link

No, they aren't the same and that wasn't my point which I think was fairly obvious. I happen to like some Republicans, esp when placed alongside their Dem counterparts - but Bloomberg and Brooks don't make my list; they do make the list of quite a few liberal NYers because I think there's something more palatable about them - or rather it's that they come across as harmless, as being a part of the reasonable wing of the Republican party.
Kingfish - yeah, those columns were truly piles of shit.

TRG (TRG), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Some people here are maybe being misled by thinking of Brooks as just a conservative. But he's not just a conservative: he's a bobo! A bourgeois Bohemian! He wrote a whole book about it! He can vote Republican and drink lattes at Starbuck's! It's the new thing! All those old-school conservatives will talk about economics and race in Paris, but Brooks is a bobo, man, he's with it -- he sees how it all relates to youth culture and hip-hop, which he knows about, because it's On His Radar!

(That's why he writes for the Times; seriously, he's just a Richard Roeper suburban media-dad kind of guy.)

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually he's a bonobo. It's true. They shave him. Cheaney and Wolfowitz, they shaved him. And taught him how to write books.

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Here's a more analytical and comprehensive article about French immigrant identity from Brook's own NYT:

PARIS, Nov. 10 - Semou Diouf, holding a pipe in one hand and a cigarette in the other, stood amid the noisy games of checkers and cards in the dingy ground-floor common room of a crowded tenement building and pondered the question of why he feels French."

"I was born in Senegal when it was part of France," he said before putting the pipe in his mouth. "I speak French, my wife is French and I was educated in France." The problem, he added after pulling the pipe out of his mouth again, "is the French don't think I'm French."

That, in a nutshell, is what lies at the heart of the unrest that has swept France in the past two weeks: millions of French citizens, whether immigrants or the offspring of immigrants, feel rejected by traditional French society, which has resisted adjusting a vision of itself forged in fires of the French Revolution. The concept of French identity remains rooted deep in the country's centuries-old culture, and a significant portion of the population has yet to accept the increasingly multiethnic makeup of the nation. Put simply, being French, for many people, remains a baguette-and-beret affair."

Though many countries aspire to ensure equality among their citizens and fall short, the case is complicated in France by a secular ideal that refuses to recognize ethnic and religious differences in the public domain. All citizens are French, end of story, the government insists, a lofty position that, nonetheless, has allowed discrimination to thrive."

France's Constitution guarantees equality to all, but that has long been interpreted to mean that ethnic or religious differences are not the purview of the state. The result is that no one looks at such differences to track growing inequalities and so discrimination is easy to hide."

"People have it in their head that surveying by race or religion is bad, it's dirty, it's something reserved for Americans and that we shouldn't do it here," said Yazid Sabeg, the only prominent Frenchman of Arab descent at the head of a publicly listed French company. "But without statistics to look at, how can we measure the problem?"

Mr. Sabeg was born in Algeria when it was French territory and moved to France with his family as an infant. His father worked as a laborer and later a mechanic to put him through a Jesuit boarding school, and he went on to earn a Ph.D. at the Sorbonne.

He scoffs at the notion of a French identity based on what he believes is a fiction of equal rights and France's reluctance to engage in debate about the gap between ideals and reality. "France doesn't know how to manage diversity," he said. "It doesn't want to accept the consequences of a multiethnic society."

Like most French schoolchildren, he was taught that his ancestors were Gauls and that "in 732, Charles Martel, the Mayor of the Palace, repelled the Arabs in Poitiers."

French leaders admit failings but insist they are working to bring equality to all citizens and have embarked on an oblique public debate about what it means to be French. But that debate is still bounded by fidelity to ideals of the French Republic. President Jacques Chirac told reporters at Élysée Palace on Thursday that the government "hasn't been fast enough" in addressing the problems of discrimination, but that, "no matter what our origins, we are all children of the Republic."

Further to the political right, the debate has taken on another cast: the far-right National Front party released a computer-generated video on its Web site this week that showed Paris in flames. "Immigration, explosion in the suburbs ... Le Pen foretold it," the banner over the video reads, referring to the party's patriarch, Jean-Marie Le Pen."

The idea behind France's republican ideal was that by officially ignoring ethnic differences in favor of a transcendent French identity, the country would avoid the stratification of society that existed before the French Revolution or the fragmentation that it now sees in multicultural models like the United States. But the French model, never updated, has failed, critics say. "France always talks about avoiding ghettoization, but it has already happened," Mr. Sabeg said, adding that people are separated in the housing projects, in their schools and in their heads..."

What Makes Some People French?

nancyboy (nancyboy), Friday, 11 November 2005 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

and the ILE thread we have on this:

Anarchy in Paris!

kingfish cold slither (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 11 November 2005 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Nabisco is OTM - I used to find Brooks enraging, but now I just think he's hilarious, and I don't think a bad guy as such. That article is almost unbelievably irrelevant and off the mark, but he makes it into the NYT because of sentences like this:

"You take a population of young men who are oppressed by racism and who face limited opportunities, and you present them with a culture that encourages them to become exactly the sort of people the bigots think they are...."

In other words, he's not really actually conservative, but rather an aging liberal who is now suspicious of some of the stuff he probably thought twenty or so years ago as a college student. This is why he always has that aw shucks look. He's like a dork yuppie version of Christopher Hitchens! So he's always (like Hitchens) kind of a little bit -- but only a little bit -- right. In this case, the image of David Brooks listening to French gangsta rap on his iPod while working out on the eliptical machine in full-body sweats with some college emblazoned on them is the main payoff, IMO.

mrjosh (mrjosh), Friday, 11 November 2005 19:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Has Jody been writing about French rap at slate or elsewhere? Is that the same Jody who has that fascinating blog about music from the 1910s and 1920s?

Curmudgeon: thanks a million for the kind words about my blog. (Nice to know someone's reading it.) I haven't published much on French rap, mostly because there's hasn't been much interest in the subject. But I'm a fan.

Jody, Friday, 11 November 2005 22:11 (seventeen years ago) link

jody who do you like these days? i've never really ventured beyond saian supa crew's first album, which held my attention for a good long while, it's just incredible. who else sounds modern like that, like they're piving in the present-tense of hiphop? a lot of the french rap i've heard sounds like gangstarr and that's great, but the rhymes and styles often sound behind the curve (sorry i can't think of any names)

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 11 November 2005 22:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Brooks statements take anecdotal evidence of a trend that he percieves but does not really understand, and then apply that evidence to a situation that is ENTIRELY different in hopes of shedding some light on it for people who don't understand.

This is not the first time he's done this, either. A few years back he did an article called "The Organization Kid" about how today's Ivy Leaguers are uptight robots who have to schedule hanging with their friends in their daytimers. Turns out for his research at Princeton, he only spoke to kids that were reccomended by professor, so of course he only spoke to the biggest tools on campus. Oh how we laughed as the rest of us went back to our binge drinking and lipstick parties like the Youth Gone Wild that we are (thanks NYTimes).

yuengling participle (rotten03), Thursday, 17 November 2005 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Jody's recommendations bang OTM. I haven't heard the new Saian yet, or Disiz. Must put that right soon.

Two other acts to add:

La Rumeur (especially L'ombre sur la mesure)

Rohff (especially La Vie avant la mort)

Not sure I agree that the French are usually behind the US - TTC certainly are not, have always been in the vanguard IMHO. But then I'm English.

Jeff W (zebedee), Thursday, 17 November 2005 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
FUCK ALL FUCKIGN ARABS FUCKSSSS YOUS AINT SHIT,AND I HOPE AMERICA BLWS YA SHIT HOLE OF A COUNTRY UP AHHAHAHAHAHAH GO EUROSTRALIA


AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE OI OI OI

jimMMmy, Sunday, 11 December 2005 09:02 (sixteen years ago) link

Nobody believes you're a real googler, jimMMmy.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 11 December 2005 23:07 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...
When I saw this thread was bumped I thought maybe David Brooks wrote something about 3-6.

deej.. (deej..), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:34 (sixteen years ago) link

three years pass...

Taibbi dissects what has got to be one of the worst things Brooks has written in recent memory.

http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2010/01/27/populism-just-like-racism/

KORGÜLL THE EXCHEQUER (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 28 January 2010 15:24 (twelve years ago) link

WHOA is this the right David Brooks, why is this in ILM, etc.

KORGÜLL THE EXCHEQUER (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 28 January 2010 15:32 (twelve years ago) link

All I know is that David Brooks was a pseudonym used by Genesis P-Orridge in the TG days

Tom D (Tom D.), Thursday, 28 January 2010 15:34 (twelve years ago) link

i... do not comprehend this thread entitled "David Brooks - GANGSTA!" that is not about mavado. what is happening here?

r|t|c, Thursday, 28 January 2010 15:50 (twelve years ago) link

LOL

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:32 (twelve years ago) link

Thankfully that album isn't called David Brooks: A Better Tomorrow. Imagine how confusing that would get for NYTimes editorial readers!

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:40 (twelve years ago) link

i... do not comprehend this thread entitled "David Brooks - GANGSTA!" that is not about mavado. what is happening here?

― r|t|c, Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:50 PM (55 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^pretty much my thought process

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:46 (twelve years ago) link

the first album was gangsta 4 life: the symphony of david brooks though!

r|t|c, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:11 (twelve years ago) link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mavado_(singer)

lolz, vybz has been at the wiki edit i see

r|t|c, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:16 (twelve years ago) link

"the first album was gangsta 4 life: the symphony of david brooks though!"

Hah I forgot about the subtitle.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:58 (twelve years ago) link

two years pass...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/28/opinion/brooks-the-psych-approach.html?hp

Finally, pop culture has been far out front of policy makers in showing how social dysfunction can ruin lives. You can turn on an episode of “Here Comes Honey Boo Boo,” about a train wreck working-class family. You can turn on “Alaska State Troopers” and see trailer parks filled with drugged-up basket cases. You can listen to rappers like Tyler, The Creator whose songs are angry howls from fatherless men.

would like to see a lab report from the research he's been doing

j., Friday, 28 September 2012 12:34 (ten years ago) link

His bathroom?

Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 September 2012 13:51 (ten years ago) link

He's got his newspaper copy of the New York Times there. He's written about going to Europe to see Springsteen shows but I doubt he has even listened to Tyler on his laptop

curmudgeon, Friday, 28 September 2012 14:09 (ten years ago) link

srsly can't post enough photos of Brooks lookin pedantic

http://neveryetmelted.com/wp-images/DavidBrooks.jpg

taking tiger mountain (up the butt) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 September 2012 14:15 (ten years ago) link

has obviously never watched an ep of honey boo boo before either

flopson, Friday, 28 September 2012 16:01 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

Turns out studies and findings all agree with him, imagine that.

barranca jagger (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 3 January 2014 09:59 (eight years ago) link

Paul Krugman is off today.

barranca jagger (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 3 January 2014 10:00 (eight years ago) link

"I stumbled through it, incapable of putting together simple phrases, feeling like a total loser." No doubt.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Friday, 3 January 2014 13:39 (eight years ago) link

writing process revealed

bnw, Friday, 3 January 2014 13:47 (eight years ago) link

"I stumbled through it, incapable of putting together simple phrases, feeling like a total loser"

so he still smokes it then

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 January 2014 13:58 (eight years ago) link

I hope footage from that presentation leaks

kornrulez6969, Friday, 3 January 2014 14:10 (eight years ago) link

"learning about drugs without facing criminal charges should remain an activity solely reserved for the rich"

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 3 January 2014 15:28 (eight years ago) link

" Others fell deeply in love and got thrills from the enlargements of the heart."

lol

andrew m., Friday, 3 January 2014 16:36 (eight years ago) link

My friend died from enlarged heart u asshole!

andrew m., Friday, 3 January 2014 16:37 (eight years ago) link

eight years pass...

The 1990s brought astonishing hip-hop — Tupac, Biggie, Jay-Z, Wu-Tang Clan, A Tribe Called Quest, the Fugees — and I got introduced to all of that like everybody else at the time. My hands were writing and editing conservative editorials for The Wall Street Journal; my ears were straight outta Compton.

Brooks otm

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 November 2022 18:15 (one week ago) link

I want to do an AI image rendition of "David Brooks being introduced to Wu-Tang Clan like everybody else at the time."

It’s telling that he writes & edits with his “hands,” not his brain.

"Mick Wall at Kerrang!" (morrisp), Thursday, 24 November 2022 18:21 (one week ago) link

Then there are the times that are just awkward — like the time at a Nas concert when a seven-foot-tall woman in a black bodice came up to me and asked, “What on earth are you doing here?”

haha

jmm, Thursday, 24 November 2022 18:25 (one week ago) link

Possibly a true story

According to my cousin, @nytdavidbrooks is currently at the Nas/Lauryn Hill concert. I can't begin to process this.

— Hayes Brown (@HayesBrown) November 5, 2012

jmm, Thursday, 24 November 2022 18:29 (one week ago) link

xp that woman should be paid a good salary to just keep doing that wherever he goes.

JoeStork, Thursday, 24 November 2022 19:07 (one week ago) link

I asked, and it was her!

I just texted my cousin and…I think the answer is yes??? https://t.co/1qIj3Eu3oS

— Hayes Brown (@HayesBrown) November 25, 2022

jaymc, Friday, 25 November 2022 03:49 (one week ago) link

None of the rappers he mentioned were from Compton,

curmudgeon, Friday, 25 November 2022 03:58 (one week ago) link

lol, thank you jaymc. I had a feeling...

jmm, Friday, 25 November 2022 04:18 (one week ago) link

How did you find that old HB tweet?

jaymc, Friday, 25 November 2022 04:31 (one week ago) link

I googled "david brooks nas concert" and that tweet was the second result

jmm, Friday, 25 November 2022 04:35 (one week ago) link

Nice

jaymc, Friday, 25 November 2022 04:36 (one week ago) link

What a night. Usually when I’m up this late it’s because I’m listening to NBA Youngboy.

— David Brooks (@nytdavidbrooks) November 4, 2020

just sayin, Friday, 25 November 2022 09:09 (one week ago) link

Also found this interview where he mentions the concert. He is so proud of having gone to that concert.

https://www.newsweek.com/david-brooks-new-york-times-columnist-narcissism-mockery-and-hip-hop-340318

"I believe that, over the centuries, smart people had incredibly valuable perceptions. But I don't live in the past. People stereotype me as a fogey. I am not. I go to hip-hop concerts."

"Pardon?"

"I listen to Kendrick Lamar. I was at a Nas concert not long ago."

jmm, Friday, 25 November 2022 13:57 (one week ago) link

Though this is the unassailably best quote imo:

"I had metaphorical moral headphones on. People didn't associate me with an intimate life. Now, when people have a trauma, they talk to me."

Meanwhile the interviewer is needling him the whole time.

jmm, Friday, 25 November 2022 14:00 (one week ago) link

"People have traumas after talking to me."

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 25 November 2022 14:04 (one week ago) link

In 1991 when David Brooks was a 30 year old man writing columns about how the Black people who make the music he likes deserve poverty and suffering, his current wife was six years old

— Hilary Agro 🍄 @hilarya✧✧✧@masto✧✧✧.l✧✧ (@hilaryagro) November 24, 2022

curmudgeon, Friday, 25 November 2022 18:45 (one week ago) link

xp that woman should be paid a good salary to just keep doing that wherever he goes.

― JoeStork, Thursday, November 24, 2022 2:07 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

lol otm

The field divisions are fastened with felicitations. (Deflatormouse), Friday, 25 November 2022 18:52 (one week ago) link

This dude and his Nas concert.

https://chicagomaroon.com/17637/news/uncommon-interview-david-brooks-a-b-83/

CM: So I read somewhere that you listen to rap music. Who are you listening to now?

DB: [Laughs] It’s true. I was at a Nas concert! I can barely stomach Tyler the Creator, who gets a little raw for me. I come into contact with them through my kids, so they’re my avenue into the world.

jmm, Friday, 25 November 2022 20:54 (one week ago) link


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