I like every single Carly Simon song I've ever heard

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But that's only, like, four. I'm a sucker for wispy 70's, Melanie-style heartstring tuggers. Am I ready for a greatest hits collection?

Really, why is Judee Sill (who I love) so indie-celebrated, but not Carly? There's probably a string of absolute stinkers in her discography, right? That's the only explanation. Or maybe she's just schmaltzy where Joni was brainy and Judee was tragic. Explain.

roger, Thursday, 10 November 2005 14:31 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Destroy: "Mockingbird." I hope you haven't heard it.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink

search: "the right thing to do."

her catalog is full of stink, but she had some really great moments.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 10 November 2005 19:58 (twelve years ago) Permalink

her catalog is full of stink, but she had some really great moments.

otm.

"nobody does it better"!!!

Mrs. Genius McGuruchakra (and her secret knowledge) (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 10 November 2005 20:01 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"haven't got time for the pain"! didn't that used to be in '80s aspirin commercials?

Mrs. Genius McGuruchakra (and her secret knowledge) (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 10 November 2005 20:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

What else is good apart from "Nobody Does It Better"?

everything, Thursday, 10 November 2005 20:15 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Search: The bee-stung lips!

k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 10 November 2005 20:22 (twelve years ago) Permalink

destroy: "let the river run" (and when you destroy it, double-check to make sure it's dead)

Mrs. Genius McGuruchakra (and her secret knowledge) (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 10 November 2005 20:22 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"Jessie"!

Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Thursday, 10 November 2005 20:26 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"why"!

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 10 November 2005 20:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Sounds to me like you're ready for this one, Roger:

http://www.cdjungle.com/cdjungle/images/0/075596051521.jpg

Bimble The Nimble, Jumped Over A Thimble! (Bimble...), Thursday, 10 November 2005 20:54 (twelve years ago) Permalink

phwooar.

Masked Gazza, Thursday, 10 November 2005 21:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I'm also a big, big sucker for overbites. Yowza.

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Friday, 11 November 2005 00:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink

destroy: "let the river run" (and when you destroy it, double-check to make sure it's dead)

Bahahahaha.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 11 November 2005 02:19 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Of the ones that haven't been mentioned yet:

S: "That's The Way I Always Heard It Should Be" and the cover of Playing Possum. And of course "You're So Vain."

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 11 November 2005 02:23 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"Coming Round Again," or whatever the fuck that mid '80s "comeback" hit was called, is the schlocka-ballad Joni Mitchell was too pure to write.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 11 November 2005 02:33 (twelve years ago) Permalink

(x-post to myself)

That's one of the great unheralded rock album covers, I think. It's obviously trying to be "sexy" but so filled with accidental and contingent detail (cooing mouth, clenched fists, painfully self-conscious pose, worn boot, sliced head, revealed ass, visible edge of slightly curled backdrop) it's ultimately as cryptic as it is sexy.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 11 November 2005 02:33 (twelve years ago) Permalink

it looks like the cover of radio ethiopia sorta

Mrs. Genius McGuruchakra (and her secret knowledge) (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 11 November 2005 02:40 (twelve years ago) Permalink

the boys in the trees cover is equally sexy/cryptic

http://www.bluebeat.com/i/a/l/l5034.jpg

Mrs. Genius McGuruchakra (and her secret knowledge) (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 11 November 2005 02:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

No Secrets, though: deadly dowdy. She looks like she's off to a lunch of flavorless salad and iced tea with friends, followed by a visit to the bank and then the dry-cleaner.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 11 November 2005 03:17 (twelve years ago) Permalink

it's ultimately as cryptic as it is sexy.

Well put. Always been intrigued by that cover...and not simply because of the sexiness.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 11 November 2005 03:22 (twelve years ago) Permalink

what if
demanding attention has nothing to do with devotion
and everything to do with selfishness
i'm so jealous i can't speak
god knows, god knows it's hard
it's hard enough
keep my chin up
and harder still to keep afloat
drenched, lying about, spread out on the grass to dry
thought you were somewhere there
'cause i can smell somebody's skin
you've been left out in the santa fe (?)
i don't know if i can let you back inside again

etc, Friday, 11 November 2005 04:15 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Yeah, Boys In The Trees wasn't a bad album either, actually. There's one song on that one...I'll have to think of the name...can't think of it now. Wait I got it! "There's always someone/haunting someone/haunting someeeeeeeeonnnne? And I can't..."

Yeah that's the one! That song's on that one isn't it?

Bimble The Nimble, Jumped Over A Thimble! (Bimble...), Friday, 11 November 2005 04:18 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Well god damn, here's a Carly Simon cover for ya, really bootleggy too. I yousentit for another thread, but its not gettin much use. DIdn't know it was by her until tonight actually:

http://s63.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=03KN23ZWEJ1FR1BV3L7X614NTA

Mon Star2 (hydraulis2), Sunday, 13 November 2005 10:58 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Let's not forget the Michael McDonald duet, "You Belong To Me"...

"Coming Around Again" was the theme to Heartburn -- Nora Ephron's movie based on her fictionalized book about her marriage to Carl Bernstein. Both are guilty pleasures.

Also, the lyrics of "Nobody Does It Better" were written by Carole Bayer Sager...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Sunday, 13 November 2005 17:53 (twelve years ago) Permalink

jed_ beat me to it. nile and carly should've collaborated more!

joseph (joseph), Sunday, 13 November 2005 19:31 (twelve years ago) Permalink

In the fiction novel I'll never write, someone invades a wedding ceremony with "You Belong to Me."

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Sunday, 13 November 2005 23:31 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Except now I keep seeing the movie version in my head, in which they substitute the Elvis Costello song of the same name.

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 14 November 2005 02:01 (twelve years ago) Permalink

yeah, actually, if you dig her hits, you'll have room in your heart for the rest - MOR is the last uncrossed hurdle of I-actually-enjoy-this, but there's loads of good stuff in there, and Carly Simon's worth investigating in depth

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 14 November 2005 02:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Me need the 7 minute version of 'Why' bad. I only found out it was produced by Chic the other week.

blueski, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 16:56 (nine years ago) Permalink

and I only found out that she was the lead singer on "Kissing with Confidence" about ooh.....

Mark G, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 16:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

no REALLY? what did they do to her voice to make it sound like that?
i thought that was just a story and not true!

i'm amazed the long version of WHY isn't on the SOUP FOR ONE soundtrack from whence it came. it'll be all over $0u!$££k mind.

pisces, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 17:19 (nine years ago) Permalink

Oh I love people who love Carly. Oh yes I do. I love you guys. Holy hell.

Bimble, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 17:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

I'm going to pull out that greatest hits now.
But I do have Hotcakes on vinyl, VIRGIN VINYL
I wrote about it here before.

Bimble, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 17:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

But the Anticipation album is to die for. Oh yeah it is.

Bimble, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 17:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

Bimble's on an alcoholic binge again.

Got to sober up if I could stop crying.
If I could just stop crying. If I could only stop.
I think I'm going to put on Rush soon.

Bimble, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 17:31 (nine years ago) Permalink

LEGEND IN YOUR OWN TIME

That song is the shit, man. That is absolutely the way to go.

Bimble, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 17:37 (nine years ago) Permalink

Carly man, oh god. What I wouldn't do for Carly.

Bimble, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 17:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

I don't have the need for the pain.

Bimble, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 17:48 (nine years ago) Permalink

I dig me some carly, but i don't she was/is as talented as Judee or Joni.

QuantumNoise, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 20:39 (nine years ago) Permalink

I like-not-love "Why" -- her voice sounds like an off-key synthesizer (no, not a good thing, kids).

"You Belong To Me," however, is genius.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 21:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

The late-80s stuff, not so good.

Life is eternal and love is immortal, and death is only a horizon...
And a horizon is nothing, save the limit of our sight.

Eazy, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 21:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

Me need the 7 minute version of 'Why' bad. I only found out it was produced by Chic the other week.

pretty much available on every Balearic comp...EVER!...love the slowed-down drum machine, never knew Nile Rodgers was involved..."la-dee-dah" vocals predate Crystal Waters by almost a decade...

"You're So Vain" still her pinnacle..."you walked into the party like you were walking onto a yacht", what an opening line...

henry s, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 21:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

I can send "Why" to whomever wants it.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 21:23 (nine years ago) Permalink

I like-not-love "Why" -- her voice sounds like an off-key synthesizer (no, not a good thing, kids).

why

does this post
hurt so much?

tell me why

henry s, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 21:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

Jack Nitzsche's "Carly" in which the producer slavers over her and writes a song about the experience. "That's the Way I Always Heard It Should Be" sounded like the kind of suburban angst I always wanted enough money to enjoy. she is pregnant and m-tee cute on cover of No Secrets which has some good stuff on it.

whisperineddhurt, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 22:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

not No Secrets but Hotcakes--aka Pigs in a Blanket.

whisperineddhurt, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 22:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

sometimes i think my dad only bought carly records for the covers. i don't remember him playing them that much.

man, last summer jimmy webb was recording with carly on the island and i totally wanted to sneak into the studio and have him sign my copy of wichita lineman.

i see carly all the time here. and her little dog too. her son is dreamy. so is her daughter. dreamy family all around.

scott seward, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 22:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

sally taylor will knit you a poncho, you know. if you ask her.

http://www.sallytaylor.com/photos/poncho5.jpg

http://www.sallytaylor.com/Poncho.shtml

scott seward, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 22:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

I think do too. All three of them.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 21 April 2008 22:32 (nine years ago) Permalink

I'm disappointed that her songs aren't as incisive as her voice can be; her ballads are awfully flat. But I still love "Jesse" and "You Belong To Me," the latter being the peak of seventies studio/yacht rock.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 21 April 2008 23:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

Seven minute WHY 12" = Best song ever?

piscesx, Thursday, 1 January 2009 20:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

hello

does anyone know where i can find the mp3 for the carly song if it wasn't love from the movie nothing in common

thanks

michael

carlysimonfan89, Friday, 22 January 2010 20:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Neffeg?

Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 February 2010 15:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

Nice Clare Huxtable sweater she's sportin'.

Inculcate a spirit of serfdom in children (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 26 February 2010 15:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

Let the mystery be department:

My God, can no one keep their traps shut any more?

mottdeterre, Friday, 26 February 2010 16:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

Oh I see, it was about you after all.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 February 2010 16:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

It's ALL about me, goddammit.

mottdeterre, Friday, 26 February 2010 16:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

YEAH FIGURES

Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 February 2010 16:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol

Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 26 February 2010 19:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

sexy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDJ_Mz8ftqI

velko, Thursday, 1 April 2010 10:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoOpXvuqsr8&NR=1

scott seward, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 12:50 (six years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XInYifT-H_0&NR=1

scott seward, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 12:51 (six years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsVAq9GlfO4&NR=1

scott seward, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 12:53 (six years ago) Permalink

this is a good one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD5K5XqaJME&feature=related

scott seward, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 13:06 (six years ago) Permalink

Seven minute WHY 12" = Best song ever?

― piscesx, Thursday, January 1, 2009 8:55 PM (2 years ago)

The Brainwasher, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 07:40 (six years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Seven minute WHY 12" = Best song ever?

― piscesx, Thursday, January 1, 2009 8:55 PM (2 years ago)

― The Brainwasher, Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:40 AM (2 months ago)

Tracy "Assless" Chapman (The Brainwasher), Sunday, 28 August 2011 22:53 (six years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

I heard "You're So Vain" in K-Mart today and it reminded me of the fairly pointless critique the poet Jonathan Williams did of the lyrics (I think it was some sort of 70s "people tell me that pop lyrics are today's poetry, so I will now make a travesty of some pop lyrics"), and I have to admit I was amused at vaguely remembering something like: how many eyes does this person have?

But who wants to read Jonathan Williams's boring, often quasi-concretist poetry anyway? I'd much rather listen to at least a handful of Carly Simon songs.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 13 April 2012 22:57 (five years ago) Permalink

(Worthy of more acclaim as a publisher though.)

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 13 April 2012 22:58 (five years ago) Permalink

Naturally the Carly Simon thread is hilarious and awesome.

Cunga, Friday, 13 April 2012 23:47 (five years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Just hearing "why" for the first time via this Daft punk spotify playlist, really nice. Is this song about James Taylor?

More Than a Century With the Polaris Emblem (calstars), Friday, 30 August 2013 20:12 (four years ago) Permalink

I got to work with her in my studio-rat days and she was a sweet lady. Didn't know until then she was of the Simon & Schuster (sp?) Simons.

That elusive North American wood-ape (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 31 August 2013 12:32 (four years ago) Permalink

"Why" is nice but I don't think Simon's voice and Rodgers-Edwards were a snug fit.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 31 August 2013 12:37 (four years ago) Permalink

Mick Jagger is great on 'You're So Vain'

More Than a Century With the Polaris Emblem (calstars), Saturday, 31 August 2013 15:07 (four years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Just breaking- second verse is about Warren Beatty.

(Don't Go Blecch To) Reddville (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 November 2015 14:40 (two years ago) Permalink

Anti-climactic, but a good story nonetheless (that I plan to walk my class through sometime this week). "You're so vain, you probably think this song is about you"--that's a tautology, right?

clemenza, Tuesday, 24 November 2015 05:15 (one year ago) Permalink

Think so but perhaps there is a rhetorical term that more closely captures what is going on.

(Don't Go Blecch To) Reddville (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 24 November 2015 05:18 (one year ago) Permalink

That's what I was thinking, that there might be some other name for that. It's not at all a paradox, but tautology doesn't quite seem right either.

clemenza, Tuesday, 24 November 2015 05:25 (one year ago) Permalink

i like her song with chic

wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, 24 November 2015 15:50 (one year ago) Permalink

song is catchy, but this video (or more to the point, carly's moves within it) is embarrassing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW8UnXzP3ms

wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, 24 November 2015 22:29 (one year ago) Permalink

also, she seems such an unlikely sex symbol to me, but that was the 1970s i guess (or in this case, the early 1980s)

wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, 24 November 2015 22:30 (one year ago) Permalink

"You Belong to Me" and "Jesse" are better songs, but I'm resigned to muttering these opinions to my fellow supermarket shoppers as we hum along in the cereal aisle.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 November 2015 02:13 (one year ago) Permalink

How do we feel about when Carly tackles the standards?

I have a love/hate thing with her version of "Ev'ry Time We Say Goodbye" (Cole Porter), which a certain NYC radio host uses as his sign-off song every week. On first listen it sounded awkward to me, both the singing and the cheesy production, but with constant repetition it's become somewhat endearing

Josefa, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 06:20 (one year ago) Permalink

My favourite Carly Simon revelation is the one about her liking to be spanked before she goes onstage.

schlep and back trio (anagram), Wednesday, 25 November 2015 07:10 (one year ago) Permalink

Wow, had never seen the video for Why before. I guess my main question with that is... why?!

she used alt+3 like an ascii heart (NickB), Wednesday, 25 November 2015 07:39 (one year ago) Permalink

I don't think the question about rhetorical device in "Vain" should go unanswered, hivemind to thread plz

I don't think it's a tautology, that would be more like "You're so vain because you're so vain" or "according to this song you're vain ergo you're vain"

Phrased as a paradox would be more like "You're so vain you can't imagine this song is about you"

So I dunno, I guess "absurd" or "nonsensical" would be a better term, the key weird phrase is "you probably think this song is about you", where usually the "you probably think..." construction would point to something false, here, surprisingly, it points to a truth, implied by the initial "you" and following "don't you?", adding up to a nice caricature of a person so vain that he sees himself even in such a negative description

So anyway, I think it's a play on apostrophe as a figure of speech - the vanity of the addressed person gives it a nice absurd twist

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostrophe_%28figure_of_speech%29

but sorry if these thoughts are jumbled

niels, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 08:59 (one year ago) Permalink

Thanks for trying to think through that...If the target of the song is correct, he's a) perceptive, and b) either more or less or exactly as vain as she thinks--I think that could go either way. If he's wrong, if the song's not about him, he's a) not very perceptive because b) he's even vainer than she thinks.

It's such a great line--I think it almost confounds categories.

clemenza, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 20:27 (one year ago) Permalink

When I played the song for my class today, with the lyrics and the backstory, they pretty quickly picked up on the fact that Justin Bieber, Selena Gomez, and Taylor Swift write songs like this all the time. I told them that they all took their cue from Carly Simon, but I'm sure there are many precedents before that (Dylan wrote a bunch of who's-he-writing-about? songs in the mid-'60s). What makes "You're So Vain" so significant is that it hit #1 and turned into a national guessing game.

clemenza, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 20:32 (one year ago) Permalink

the line seems like a 'catch-22' to me, although i know that's not a classical figure of speech. the person to whom the song is addressed is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

and yeah that video for 'why' is... alternately horrifying and charming.

wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 26 November 2015 05:32 (one year ago) Permalink

I thought about this some more on the way home today--I feel like it's a very important issue in 2015--and came to a similar conclusion. It's a trap, where three out of the four possibilities reflect badly on the intended target.

1) You think it's about you and you're right.
2) You think it's about you and you're wrong.
3) You don't think it's about you and you're right.
4) You don't think it's about you and you're wrong.

1 and 2 aren't good. Either way, you're definitely vain; the second possibility makes you really vain and also clueless. 4 means you're not vain but are clueless. Only 3 is a favorable outcome.

clemenza, Thursday, 26 November 2015 07:25 (one year ago) Permalink

Actually, if you're the intended target, only 1 and 4 apply. Change that to three out of the four possibilities reflect badly on everyone who's ever heard the song. Most of us--me for sure--are safe with 3. For Warren Beatty and Mick Jagger and such, much trickier.

clemenza, Thursday, 26 November 2015 07:28 (one year ago) Permalink

great stuff

you reckon there's more than one you in play? since it's the same word, I'd assume it refers to same subject throughout ("you walked..." "you're so vain" "don't you?") and the song can only be about you

leaving the question: who are you? two possible answers:

1) you're warren beatty or someone else intimately familiar with carly simon - this song may be about you, and you probably think it is

2) you don't know carly simon personally, so this song isn't specifically about you - but the meaning of the song might apply to you too; if you think it does, it does

niels, Thursday, 26 November 2015 09:20 (one year ago) Permalink

I feel like it's a very important issue in 2015

carly simon and her publisher sure hope so!

wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 26 November 2015 09:49 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

I've always wondered if "You're So Vain" isn't about any man in particular—even if there are references to specific guys (i.e. Beatty)—but all men.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 02:04 (two months ago) Permalink


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