The Psychedelic Furs Classic or Dud

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Has time been kind to the Pschedelic Furs?

MICHELINE, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

This *MUST* have been asked before. Fist album through MIRROR MOVES are classic. MIDNIGHT TO MIDNIGHT and everything after are dud.

And the current touring incarnation is a sad spectacle indeed.

Alex in NYC, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Dud all the way. Richard Butler always sounds like he's about to fall asleep. Loses points for bad saxophones. Loses all remaining points for Love Spit Love.

Douglas, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw them at Tuts in Chicago in 1980 soon after their first album came out. They were good, but so obviously in love with themselves it was hard to enjoy. First album good, second album kind of tiresome, after that too dud to bother. "Love My Way" might have made a decent Thompson Twins single, but really...

Curt, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I'll say this, when Pretty in Pink came through my radio the other day, not having heard it in a while, I enjoyed it immensely. Saxophones be damned!

static, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I asked it I did me me me!

At the time I'd been listening loads to "President Gas" and was thinking wow yeah the Furs what an underrated band. I'm not sure I was right but lack further proof. I like their counter-punk slickness up to a point and I love Butler's absurd voice.

Tom, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Very bad, total duds-ville. LP art very tacky. Must wear black. Didn't the engineer of The Strokes pound keys with them during last tour? Nothing Psychedelic about these cheaters. Never like em.'

Bob, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I have to defend them here -- the first three albums in particular are dang near flawless, Mirror Moves had its points and both Book of Days and the final album are better than most will give them credit for. And I don't see how Butler's voice is any more or less absurd than most others out there, actually.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

We did this. The Pinefox liked them.

Dr. C, Tuesday, 26 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

the pernice brothers cover of love my way is brilliant. the time may come for a critical assessment of psychedelic furs. the original version of pretty in pink is a teen angst class soon to be covered by creed.

paul, Tuesday, 26 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe the level of absurdity in voices has risen since he was around, but Richard Butler's is ridiculous (in a beautiful way) - like Bowie cubed.

Tom, Tuesday, 26 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...
The first 4 albums hold up real nice-like. Just played me the first one. Tempos faster than I recalled. Same w/#2. Thick & soupy. Lotsa growling & obscure bitching. What's wrong with the saxophones? No worse (no better) than Andy MacKay.

Matt Riedl (veal), Tuesday, 25 June 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
I have been listening to them again.

Some songs that sound particularly good this time: Soap Commercial, Heaven, Into You Like A Train / IJWSWYou (such crass titles, such great sounds), There's A World.

But really they all sound good. I can hardly think of one of their tracks that I dislike.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 15 July 2003 13:49 (seventeen years ago) link

(Where is the earlier thread where we had supposedly already discussed this topic?)

the pinefox, Tuesday, 15 July 2003 13:50 (seventeen years ago) link

thirteen years pass...

Was thinking (besides that this is a better thread than the other one I revived) that a lot of the material on "Midnight to Midnight" and "Mirror Moves" is not bad, especially the obvious highlights of the latter, but that I'd chalk the P. Furs as another group really hurt by the loss of its drummer. "MM" and "M2M" try so hard to be, for a lack of a better word, danceable, but the beats/tempos are way too often '80s generic. Throw in (or out) a lot of the production - sorry, Keith Forsey - and it's just such a step down.

Speaking of which, "Goodbye" from "Forever Now" might be the band's most brilliant post-punk disco pastiche.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 October 2016 17:53 (three years ago) link

Thought this revive would be Alfred-related.

Madame Bob George (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 23 October 2016 18:13 (three years ago) link

hahaha

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 23 October 2016 18:13 (three years ago) link

Vince Ely was a monster. Completely underrated. You can also hear his magic on bits of Hitchcock's "Black Snake Diamond Role" LP. "Brenda's Iron Sledge" especially.

kwhitehead, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 17:53 (three years ago) link

ah thanks for that reference, never knew that but it makes sense

sleeve, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 17:57 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

I think call me by your name has renewed interest in these guys. Hearing them played places. Like them.

treeship 2, Saturday, 17 February 2018 20:30 (two years ago) link

They've never quite gone away -- the mid eighties stuff particularly -- but it's nice.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 17 February 2018 20:31 (two years ago) link

surely its time to sort out a remastered edition of 'mirror moves'.
all of the albums previous to that have been done.
i saw them a few years back when on a work trip to chicago.
they played at the metro with 'she wants revenge' on support.
so, given my groove, i contacted people and ended up with justin warfield backstage after the gig for an interview.
f&ck me.
i messed up.
while justin droned on and on about how brilliant he was and never answered any of my questions, i had to listen to the furs crew having a proper party in the next door booth.

oh, and the furs were fantastic live.
the whole band were dressed head to toe in black with absolutely no deviation from the rule, and rich sounded sooo good.

mark e, Saturday, 17 February 2018 20:46 (two years ago) link

that song has been stuck in my head and in rotation since I saw the movie nearly 2 months ago. one of the best & most effective song syncs in a movie in recent memory imo

flappy bird, Saturday, 17 February 2018 22:45 (two years ago) link

I'm usually not keen on comps/hits but "All Of This And Nothing" is desert island for me

trife's rich padgett (rip van wanko), Sunday, 18 February 2018 03:07 (two years ago) link

their show in the bay area stone cold sold out, which never happens; wondered what was behind that, has to have been call me by your name rekindling interest.

akm, Sunday, 18 February 2018 16:00 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

For the first time in the history of the Internet we can say Hey there's a new Psychedelic Furs song and album coming out.

It's real good too!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=225&v=603KqtjKDSg&feature=emb_title

kornrulez6969, Friday, 31 January 2020 16:35 (six months ago) link

P-Furs forced to reinstate the saxophone as they revisit their classic sound = awesome

doug watson, Friday, 31 January 2020 18:43 (six months ago) link

yeah, this song sounds really good, I'm ready for a new album

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 31 January 2020 19:36 (six months ago) link

The beauty of Richard Butler's ash heap of a larynx is how in 1981 everyone predicted it'd sound like this in 2020.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 31 January 2020 19:38 (six months ago) link

Everyone or no one?

Love this.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 31 January 2020 20:08 (six months ago) link

For the first time in the history of the Internet we can say Hey there's a new Psychedelic Furs song

Nope, new song "Alive (For Once In My Lifetime)" was snuck onto a live album in 2001:
https://www.discogs.com/The-Psychedelic-Furs-Alive-For-Once-In-My-Lifetime/release/1813394

I've loved everything Richard Butler has done, looking forward to this!

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 31 January 2020 20:22 (six months ago) link

one month passes...

Another new song out "You'll be mine"... It's great!!

Chief Kyiv, Friday, 13 March 2020 04:50 (four months ago) link

three months pass...

Giving these guys an honest listen for the first time in my life, starting with first album. If they would re-release this album with all the sax removed, I would probably love them.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 15:28 (one month ago) link

you're in for crashing disappointment

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 15:32 (one month ago) link

Huh, the sax is awesome! An only gets better!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 15:37 (one month ago) link

okay this was good for a morning lol

this has been the best year fuiud (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 16:02 (one month ago) link

you're in for crashing disappointment


idk talk talk talk is still to come.

would very much enjoy “I guess I’ve heard ‘love my way’ but that’s about it and I am now going through the full catalog in order” as a series of live tweets or terrible YouTube “reaction” videos

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 9 July 2020 14:02 (one month ago) link

I meant if pgwp disliked the sax, he better hold on loosely.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 July 2020 14:04 (one month ago) link

lol fair. least corny sax of the 80s tho.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 9 July 2020 14:05 (one month ago) link

Yeah, we're not talking Hot Sax(tm), we're talking skronky stuff inspired by Bowie's Berlin stuff. Regardless, Mars Williams, who toured/tours with the band a lot, has serious chops/cred.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 July 2020 14:22 (one month ago) link

First album is great.

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 July 2020 14:41 (one month ago) link

It is true there are much worse instances of "hot sax" in the 80s than this. But I personally have an extremely low tolerance for the instrument when used in rock music. There are exceptions but not many. I will still give Talk Talk Talk a chance but I am bracing myself!

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 9 July 2020 16:17 (one month ago) link

If you don't like that album I question not just whether you will ever like the band, but whether you will like tons of other good stuff. For me, Butler's voice alone is better than the entire catalog of many other acts. But no pressure.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 July 2020 16:41 (one month ago) link

Talk Talk Talk is legendary

shout-out to his family (DJP), Thursday, 9 July 2020 16:44 (one month ago) link

Todd Rundgren’s production on “love my way” owns me

brimstead, Thursday, 9 July 2020 18:09 (one month ago) link

Josh - given your declaration, were you at the gig at the Chicago Metro with She Wants Revenge on support a few years back ?

if you were, then i am annoyed i ended up having to listen to JW whine on about how great he is as opposed to hanging out with you sir.

mark e, Thursday, 9 July 2020 18:41 (one month ago) link

'a few years back' = a decade.

f*ck.

mark e, Thursday, 9 July 2020 18:44 (one month ago) link

Seriously. But no, I've never seen the Psychedelic Furs. In fact, I have no idea why I didn't see their show with James last year. I love both of those bands.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 July 2020 19:09 (one month ago) link

I want to say they did a relatively recent tour with the English Beat as well, and it seemed like such a randomly desperate nostalgia pairing despite, as far as I've heard, both bands still being awesome live, which kind of made me kick myself for not going.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 July 2020 19:10 (one month ago) link

fair enough.
the show at the metro really surprised me.
richards voice sounded so good.
really surprised me.
oh, and all the band dressed head to toe in black.
no deviation at all.
gotta love such devotion.

mark e, Thursday, 9 July 2020 19:41 (one month ago) link

There's no fucking reason why Made of Rain should be this assured and good.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 July 2020 14:57 (two weeks ago) link

I'm listening to the songs currently available on Spotify and holy shit

shout-out to his family (DJP), Thursday, 23 July 2020 14:58 (two weeks ago) link

"Don't Believe" and "No One" kill. And the opener "The Boy Who Invented Rock n Roll" is their best in that field since "Forever Now."

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 July 2020 14:59 (two weeks ago) link

"Come All Ye Faithful", "No One", "You'll Be Mine", and "Don't Believe" are the songs I'm listening to and, based on those four songs, this may be my favorite album of the year

shout-out to his family (DJP), Thursday, 23 July 2020 15:01 (two weeks ago) link

Richard Butler has never lost it. Yes, he did take a detour into pop on "Midnight To Midnight" but everything else he's ever been involved with is at least very good, all worth hearing if you like his voice.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 23 July 2020 15:10 (two weeks ago) link

Suffice it to say I'll have more professional praise next week.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 July 2020 15:11 (two weeks ago) link

wow, Amanda Kramer is in the band now?

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Thursday, 23 July 2020 15:53 (two weeks ago) link

Very delightfully surprised to learn about all this.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 July 2020 15:54 (two weeks ago) link

And hey, Bandcamp preorder:

https://thepsychedelicfurs.bandcamp.com/

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 July 2020 15:54 (two weeks ago) link

Holy shit is this good! Really interesting drumming, Richard Fortus' masterful and sympathetic production and of course Butler's presence. This is such a wonderful gift in these strange times.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 31 July 2020 03:11 (one week ago) link

no one talks about it but i low-key really love the Furs/GnR venn diagram. who could have ever predicted?

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 31 July 2020 04:02 (one week ago) link

Maybe takes its foot of the gas a tad too early, but this is definitely worthy. Some serious '90s vibes to the production, which is perhaps why it also reminds me at times of ... Suede?

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 1 August 2020 15:47 (one week ago) link

I love most of it.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 1 August 2020 15:48 (one week ago) link

Ooh, Alfred otm that there are some "Wish" vibes to some of this. Which is to say I guess, shoegazey sheets of guitar without being shoegaze?

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 1 August 2020 16:52 (one week ago) link

"The Boy That Invented Rock n Roll" is just fabulous, what an opener.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 1 August 2020 16:58 (one week ago) link

"wow, Amanda Kramer is in the band now?" she has been for quite a while now

akm, Saturday, 1 August 2020 17:36 (one week ago) link

I bought Mirror Moves in 1986, so I'm OK with calling the 21st century "now"

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Saturday, 1 August 2020 18:02 (one week ago) link

"The Boy That Invented Rock n Roll" is just fabulous, what an opener.

Quite (listening to the album and that track now).

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 1 August 2020 18:10 (one week ago) link

Truly one of the more amazing things about this is is the fact that since his voice *always* sounded like that, now that he's 64 years old and has kept his voice going through all the regular enough touring, it really hasn't felt like it's changed in the slightest. And that's not something that most singers can say.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 1 August 2020 18:40 (one week ago) link

If anything, the brutal touring schedule has kept it sharp and trim.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 1 August 2020 22:17 (one week ago) link

Is the soprano sax a new addition to the band's sonic arsenal?

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 1 August 2020 22:40 (one week ago) link

I enjoyed your Pitchfork review, Alfred, though you seemed to like it more than the 7.0 score would imply.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Saturday, 1 August 2020 23:53 (one week ago) link

The score was mine!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 2 August 2020 02:46 (one week ago) link

Really enjoying this too. Not too familiar with the Furs, tho I had the second Love Spit Love album when I was, uh, ten (why I wanted it I truly cannot say) and find myself hearing this in the context of that time. Seems a bit less sardonic, so far.

geoffreyess, Sunday, 2 August 2020 03:33 (one week ago) link

I was more curious than excited about this, but it is actually a good record! Everybody otm about Butler's deathless rasp sounding essentially unchanged. The alienation feels familiar and comforting under the circumstances, likewise the doomed melodicism.

Good songs. The productions is very 90s as pointed out above, which makes it a bit jarring (since my knowledge of the Furs mainly centers around TalkX3)

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Sunday, 2 August 2020 20:49 (one week ago) link


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