persona is a reductive 'weed and guns' one that reinforces stereotypes about people from the Caribbean
this has it 'twisted' (am i doing it right??!)
― j., Friday, 12 June 2015 13:47 (eight years ago) link
this is getting away from the entirely noble thread purpose of clowning CocoRosie.
― Petite Lamela (ShariVari), Friday, June 12, 2015 7:18 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Wimmels, Friday, 12 June 2015 13:51 (eight years ago) link
Some weird ideas about hip hop itt
― Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 14:04 (eight years ago) link
I always thought KRS1 sounded like a dick on his faux Caribbean style chatting tracks. I can recall some member of London Posse saying as much in a 90's edition of HHC, he said something like "you come from London or The Yard and you can "chat", American rappers sound like wankers when they attempt it" or words to that effect.
― xelab, Friday, 12 June 2015 14:24 (eight years ago) link
i always thought he sounded cool. idk...
― hongro strulkington (dog latin), Friday, 12 June 2015 14:25 (eight years ago) link
Just Ice pulled it off better imo
― xelab, Friday, 12 June 2015 14:27 (eight years ago) link
persona is a reductive 'weed and guns' one that reinforces stereotypes about people from the Caribbeanthis has it 'twisted' (am i doing it right??!)
idk, i don't listen to as much hip-hop as a lot of ilxors but the prism US pop culture, including but not limited to a fair amount of rap, sees the Caribbean has always struck me as #problematic. It's all too often a binary between tourist-key-chain-rasta-hat-weed-vibez positivity and mock-Yardie doggerel. Even where it isn't, to me, performing 'as a West Indian' rather than performing music influenced by the West Indies often has the effect of reducing a culture to a set of badly-imitated vocal tics.
I'm fairly relaxed about appropriation in general - it's often a healthy and good thing to borrow / imitate and music would be much less interesting without it. This has always annoyed me, though.
― Petite Lamela (ShariVari), Friday, 12 June 2015 14:30 (eight years ago) link
The 90s stuff I was thinking about, beyond the QL clip upthread, was Black Moon, who iirc had a lot of 'bloodclaat / botzi bwoy' type lyrics. Also didn't intend for this to become a "thing," was just reminiscing after watching that Latifah video.
BTW, is Latifah dissing Boss in that third verse? Sure sounds like it.
― Wimmels, Friday, 12 June 2015 14:46 (eight years ago) link
xp i think it's more about showing flashes of afrocentricity, from within the home (american) culture? and the binary (unity and violence, say) is present in that one too. so the salient thing about patois or whatever is not that it constitutes an attempt to appropriate or imitate (or give accurate representation), but that it momentarily decenters or translates a primary experience with which it shares something.
― j., Friday, 12 June 2015 14:48 (eight years ago) link
Also there were Jamaican communities within NYC and even artists like say Super Cat who moved to the US and collaborated with hip hop guys and I'm sure there was a lot of crossover in the club scene between hip hop and dancehall audiences, this isn't exactly like Mick and the Stones doing cod reggae
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 12 June 2015 14:53 (eight years ago) link
xp That can be true in some cases. Rastafarianism is a unifying movement and referring back to pan-African themes that are more heavily developed in the Caribbean than a lot of other places can be very positive. I don't see that being the primary motivating factor in a lot of cases and, even where it is, it requires a level of engagement beyond surface cliches to not simply reinforce those surface cliches for the primary audience.
― Petite Lamela (ShariVari), Friday, 12 June 2015 15:02 (eight years ago) link
shit dude i ain't over here studying up on haile selassie, i think it's pretty plain?
but i think this goes for the less harmonious cultural transfer too.
― j., Friday, 12 June 2015 15:06 (eight years ago) link
a licky boom boom down
― example (crüt), Friday, 12 June 2015 15:07 (eight years ago) link
all bets are off when canada
― j., Friday, 12 June 2015 15:10 (eight years ago) link
Toronto had a huge/significant Jamaican community and reggae scene fyi
― Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:25 (eight years ago) link
think it's weird to take rappers to task (esp 80s/90s rappers) for quoting dancehall/adopting patois when rap was all about quotations and repurposing cultural signifiers AND the links between rap culture and Jamaican music culture go so very, very deep - right back to the beginning - with huge overlaps in audience, technological approaches, politics etc.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:27 (eight years ago) link
haha i know they do it's just… who can say what anything means in canada
― j., Friday, 12 June 2015 15:29 (eight years ago) link
the 70's was kind of the peak of bad faux-caribbean accents. you could easily make a 10-disc box set out of bad fake/cod reggae/calypso tunes by white artists. it was an unstoppable force and i'll never understand why nobody even gave it a second thought.
― scott seward, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:34 (eight years ago) link
and lyrically, the vast majority of them were just as offensive as the accents.
― scott seward, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:35 (eight years ago) link
that's not what's at issue tho
― Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:39 (eight years ago) link
maybe it's thanks to having grown up with parents who played lots of ub40 and the police, but i kinda like cod reggae. i love real reggae too of course, but there's something about bad white reggae i can't help sort of loving for quite different reasons.
― hongro strulkington (dog latin), Friday, 12 June 2015 15:43 (eight years ago) link
ace of base were nazis
― goole, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:47 (eight years ago) link
eager to propagate the aryan race iirc
― Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:49 (eight years ago) link
All that she wantsIs another babyAnd to heil Hitler
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 12 June 2015 16:32 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4XD5MTMACg
― got bent (mild cheezed off vibes) (s.clover), Friday, 12 June 2015 16:41 (eight years ago) link
tbf only one member of Ace of Base was a neo-Nazi.
The guy seemed genuinely mortified that he'd had any involvement with far-right politics afterwards.
― Petite Lamela (ShariVari), Friday, 12 June 2015 16:42 (eight years ago) link
das racist is one of the worst rap acts ever
― Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:42 (eight years ago) link
wait really???????????????
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 12 June 2015 16:43 (eight years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulf_Ekberg
― how's life, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:44 (eight years ago) link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/24/ace-of-base-nazi-past-lyrics_n_3148797.html
― Immediate Follower (NA), Friday, 12 June 2015 16:44 (eight years ago) link
In 1998 some of his old songs were released on the compilation album Uffe was a Nazi!.
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 12 June 2015 16:45 (eight years ago) link
how did I never hear about this
ok wow
― Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:45 (eight years ago) link
maybe people knew how much you love them
― goole, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:46 (eight years ago) link
I am mentally singing "Uffe was a Nazi!" to the tune of "Mary Had a Baby"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPK29mexIi0
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 12 June 2015 16:48 (eight years ago) link
Learned about it from some Mountain Goats stage patter.
― how's life, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:52 (eight years ago) link
I thought this was one of those well-known facts!
― put a skronk ornette (wins), Friday, 12 June 2015 16:52 (eight years ago) link
tbf I've aggressively ignored any and all biographical information about Ace of Base and just bumped those original singles
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 12 June 2015 16:55 (eight years ago) link
i just put on the the tom tom club at the store and i totally forgot about the song "bamboo town".
― scott seward, Friday, 12 June 2015 17:43 (eight years ago) link
xp often the best strategy
― Heroic melancholy continues to have a forceful grip on (bernard snowy), Friday, 12 June 2015 17:47 (eight years ago) link
Ace of Base (feat. Boyd Rice & Death in June) - "All that She Wants (Is Another Nazi)"
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 12 June 2015 18:30 (eight years ago) link
LOL
― flopson, Friday, 12 June 2015 18:30 (eight years ago) link
memories
This sounds like the worst thing
― maura, Friday, 12 June 2015 18:43 (eight years ago) link
"What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat.
― how's life, Friday, 12 June 2015 18:48 (eight years ago) link
Uffie was a nazi
― The Reverend, Saturday, 13 June 2015 00:17 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0SuIMUoShI
― how's life, Saturday, 13 June 2015 00:49 (eight years ago) link
CocoRosie: As charming as ever.
The loft used to belong to Bianca, and it is still filled with her art work, including a photograph of a brown dildo encased in purple quartz. (“I’m interested in exploring black-male sexual stereotypes,” she said, laconically.)
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 19 October 2015 12:32 (eight years ago) link
this is self-parody at this point
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 19 October 2015 13:09 (eight years ago) link
haha it's like she's seen the classic nabisco postWhy does Europe love CocoRosie so much?
― some dude, Monday, 19 October 2015 13:23 (eight years ago) link
"Bianca, who had concluded that the ancestry of her and her sister is part Cherokee, “but more Syrian than anything else,” said that she was going to wing it. “I really like to surprise myself.” "
of COURSE she is Cherokee
― akm, Monday, 19 October 2015 13:47 (eight years ago) link