phil-two, i kinda maybe believe you that this wasn't as bad as portrayed in the article, but i dunno there's some problematic stuff going on there that's not just our imaginations, i'd bet.
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 12 November 2005 00:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― phil-two (phil-two), Saturday, 12 November 2005 00:59 (eighteen years ago) link
or like that time in the 1990's when NYT ask sub pop employees about grungespeak.
― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Saturday, 12 November 2005 01:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 12 November 2005 02:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― nabombo, Saturday, 12 November 2005 04:11 (eighteen years ago) link
Racism isn't just the province of Klansmen and white-supremacists.
― acb (acb), Saturday, 12 November 2005 11:27 (eighteen years ago) link
also, i had a party that was ironically ny-hipster circa 2002. nobody else got it tho and they all asked me to change out the electroclash for other music. :-(
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 12 November 2005 13:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― acb (acb), Saturday, 12 November 2005 17:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― amon (eman), Saturday, 12 November 2005 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link
probably not any more or less awkward than any other party where most people are white, and a group of five black folks from any particular social/class demographic just wandered in.
― phil-two (phil-two), Saturday, 12 November 2005 18:48 (eighteen years ago) link
Also, it isn't non-white's job to teach us about this stuff, just like it isn't women's job to teach men about sexism. Asking people to "teach" or enlighten you is IMO putting them into the same "other with specialized knowledge" position that got us into this mess. Also note that this is different than just listening to what people have to say, or going out and reading, say a book on white privilege and asking folks for their take on what you've learned.
It's early for me and my brain is slow, but try some of Bell Hooks' stuff for starters. I hope I made a little sense, a lot of the white responses I've read here make me sad and frustrated.
― sleeve (sleeve), Saturday, 12 November 2005 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― kevin says relax (daddy warbuxx), Saturday, 12 November 2005 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― nabiscothingy, Saturday, 12 November 2005 19:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― nabiscothingy, Saturday, 12 November 2005 19:47 (eighteen years ago) link
OTM, but since I usually only talk about crap on the Internet all day, that's basically how I deal with EVERYTHING, not just race. haha
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 12 November 2005 21:06 (eighteen years ago) link
I don't choose to 'muck in and deal with it' because arguing on ILM is futile to me. Not because I'm trying to put myself above the whole arguement, but because often you guys' opinions are so far from my reality that it would be pointless to engage with you on this whole Cocoracist issue. I just cut out the middle man and agree that we disagree. It saves time and a helluva lot of frustration.
― kevin says relax (daddy warbuxx), Saturday, 12 November 2005 21:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 12 November 2005 21:54 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Mordechai Shinefield, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 04:55 (sixteen years ago) link
characturing?
― La plus perdue de toutes les journées est celle où l’on n’a pas (Michael White), Tuesday, 30 December 2008 17:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Kill Michael Whitey?
― The People's Republic of Padgettstan (some dude), Tuesday, 30 December 2008 17:53 (fifteen years ago) link
Take a number. Get in line.
― La plus perdue de toutes les journées est celle où l’on n’a pas (Michael White), Tuesday, 30 December 2008 17:57 (fifteen years ago) link
they're half-Cherokee, aren't they?
just to respond to this, it seems like whenver a white person wants to claim some ethnicity, their grandmother or great grandmother was conveniently a Cherokee princess. So unless they have certificates issued by the BIA, or are tribal members, I'd ignore it.
― akm, Tuesday, 30 December 2008 18:54 (fifteen years ago) link
or course, they might and I could be wrong
― akm, Tuesday, 30 December 2008 18:57 (fifteen years ago) link
Have CocoRosie succeeded in becoming twin Sandra Bernhardts yet?
― soyrizo headache (Mackro Mackro), Tuesday, 30 December 2008 19:01 (fifteen years ago) link
/morbz
What a painful thread. I hate needless provocation.
― u s steel, Tuesday, 30 December 2008 19:20 (fifteen years ago) link
ha
― ❤¯\㋡/¯❤ (ice cr?m), Tuesday, 30 December 2008 19:21 (fifteen years ago) link
I have learned that I guess you shouldn't tell someone Coco Rosie is racist at a Halloween party because apparently you will make them cry very hard.
― Abbott of the Trapezoid Monks (Abbott), Tuesday, 30 December 2008 20:27 (fifteen years ago) link
i love nabisco on this thread! i want to make print outs and hand them to ppl
― i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Tuesday, 30 December 2008 20:35 (fifteen years ago) link
Seconded. Super grate nabiscos up above. Except when I lived in NY, 5th and Bedford really did give me the hives.
― served by boot-face (contenderizer), Tuesday, 30 December 2008 21:14 (fifteen years ago) link
With any luck, CocoRosie's album will tank as ethically-savvy music fans refuse to buy it and educate their friends; "Cool" record shops will refuse to stock or sell their records, and tell their customers why. After disappointing sales, their label will dump them and they'll be exiled as pariahs, with as much chance of selling records as Gary Glitter. Then anybody else who thinks it's "cool" to be ironically racist will have the burnt-out wreckage of CocoRosie's career and credibility to behold as proof otherwise.
Alternatively, they'll take the hint, become even more hipsterishly abrasive and sell lots of records to the skull-attired coke-snorting nihilists who think that giving a fuck about issues is gay.
― acb (acb), Friday, November 11, 2005 8:54 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― da cryypiä (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 30 December 2008 22:02 (fifteen years ago) link
Heady times, man