What is IDM?

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Which is often the question I am asked in my many many hours spent in the soulseek IDM room (same username btw, look me up :D)

I just thought I knew until today when some idiot named 'login name' had this to say to viborgu's question about themilkfactory.co.uk (where i also hang out, same name :D).


"My only beef with TMF is it's erm... partial blindness to electronic music much outside the IDM/electronica sphere. They'll go as far as Cristian Vogel, but no further.. annoying though when they WILL interview old musicians (A Guy Called Gerald, LFO, Graham Massey) who were influential but in no way 'IDM'."


My question is two-fold. Firstly, if any of us are still clinging to this IDM moniker to somehow make sense of the odd kind of music we enjoy, are we wasting our time? I know that genre's are all too hard to bother with, but you gotta create that slsk chatroom with some sort of title. So what is YOUR idea of IDM and what does it encompass.

Should we go down a notch and call it bleep, or go back to the short-lived "Dolphin Music." Maybe just zoom up to electronica.

My 2nd question is who are these fuckheads using "erm" all the time?

hydrallus, Wednesday, 2 November 2005 21:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

according to Vahid, IDM is the same as house but with a little disco thrown in too.

biz, Wednesday, 2 November 2005 21:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

There was a discussion recently on ILM about the semantics of IDM, but I can't remember the thread title.

However a more useful catch-all term is experimental electronic music that Grooves magazine uses:

http://www.groovesmag.com/

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 21:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

my idea of IDM is progressive electronic pop. it basically encompasses music that is too "out" for house/techno/pop, but not out enough to be academic electronic music or electroacoustic improv (although a lot of practitioners dabble in all of this stuff at once)

Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 21:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I Dove Music

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 21:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I think DJ Martian is thinking of this thread:

IDM - does it still exist? What's good?

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 21:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I suggest you find the archive for the idm email list and find one of the thousand times they've argued this. It's pretty much anything to anyone, with some qualifiers.

I think in the early- to mid-1990s it meant the bleepy Warp stuff, typified by all the Artificial Intelligence comp stuff. As the artists originally in that camp broadened their focus but still stayed away from well-defined genres their new work got labeled IDM as well. So you get Squarepusher's jazz noodling and drill n' bass, the Aphex industrial pisstake material like Come to Daddy, etc. Anyone who's latched onto these styles (mu-Ziq, Funkstorung, Venetian Snares, latter-day Warp stuff that is more chopped-up beats in a Prefuse/Jackson style) is now labelled IDM by... someone. The mid period was pretty much where it all turned away from the dancefloor. There's some sense of a revival of the early 90s school of things right now (tricky disco rerelease?) but I'm not sure it's from the current "idm crowd."

DJ Martian is right in that Grooves magazine is probably a good reference point.

mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 21:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Thanks for calling me an idiot! IDM can be great but it's a terrible genre name. But most people usually know what it refers to even if it's awkward.

yes I type 'erm' a lot. generally I don't worry about semantics and type as I think, sometimes too quickly and off the cuff. Sorry! often a little broken - ILM moves at a fast pace! I should try and correct my grammer a bit. it would be sensible, maybe in return you could try being not such a fucking pedant and loosen up a bit!!

SO glad I'm responsible for this thread. jeez.

login name (fandango), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 21:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

By the way, that's generally about as combative as I'll get here, so peace & no hard feelings :)

But calling someone an "idiot" and a "fuckhead" after ONE 'conversation' on the web is pretty close to straight up flaming, so don;t be too surprised if it doesn't get the best response. p.s. welcome to ILM!

login name (fandango), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 21:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

textura provides monthly review round ups of experimental electronic music.

textura
http://www.textura.org/

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 22:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

http://www.failme.net/ is often good too.

Short carefully selected reviews but generally OTM. Used to be absorb.org who coined the phrase "dad techno" too hehe.

login name (fandango), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 22:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Why is IDM a bad name? Why not take "intelligent" in the sense of Artificial Intelligence, and robots, as opposed to biological meatbags such as yourself?

Leeeeeeeeeee (Leee), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 22:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Do creationists refer to evolution is stupid design?

Leeeeeeeeeee (Leee), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 23:00 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i have utter contempt for you b/c i think you don't understand.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 3 November 2005 00:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i thought IDM could be used as a loose term and for dance/electronic music that was more than intuitive. maybe in a way self-conscious dance music. i'm not sure where i got this, so errrrm.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 3 November 2005 00:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'm getting a bit tired of reposting this, but here we go:

Genre Name:
IDM
Root Genre
Electronica

Years
1990-present

Description
IDM, or Intelligent Dance Music was a term first coined from an internet mailing list in the mid-90s to describe a style of Techno music that concentrates on experimentation and an emphasis on home-listening rather than the dancefloor.

Whilst many of it's detractors and fans criticise the term - the argument being that it is hard to dance to and it implies that other dance genres are "stupid" - the term IDM has stuck fast and is now widely recognised.

Probably the first true IDM music to be released were the Artificial Intelligence compilations from the early nineties on Warp Records. Taking the minimalist sounds of Detroit House and Sheffield "Bleep" Techno, the compilation featured the now legendary acts Black Dog, Speedy J and of course, Aphex Twin (under the alias of "Dice Man").

Throughout the early nineties, IDM became the soundtrack to every post-rave comedown - something to put on after a night of hard revelling. But rather than becoming mere chillout music to mong about to, artists like Andrew Wetherall, Richard D James and Autechre began experimenting with their equipment, trying to push their machines to the limit. In many cases artists would often completely rewire their synths and mixers in order to create even more outlandish sounds. Certain techniques such as "snare rushes" (the rapid triggering of a percussive noise) led to micro-genres like Drill'n'Bass and Glitch.

The scene climaxed around the early 00's, after which IDM had either splintered into so many different subgenres that it became lost in a sea of never-ending headuparsery. Geekinness took over where originality once was and Aphex Twin's disappointing yet long-awaited Druqks album heralded the death knell of IDM. The Warp record label all but stopped signing new electronic acts in favour of post-rock bands, while other labels floundered or faded away.

The development of better and better computer software and music hardware also meant that it was easy for producers to recreate a lot of the once inexecutable sounds of earlier pioneers, making these commonplace in other kinds of music from House to R'n'B, thus making IDM an increasingly out-dated genre.

IDM as we know it may be dead, but it was always seen by it's fans as the sound of the future and if this is true then they were correct. Many techniques and sounds which debuted on Autechre and Aphex albums can be heard in genres as diverse as Grime, Electro, Dancehall, Post-Rock, Noise and even in the charts today.

The genre continues in some form or another but very few artists and labels continue succesfully in making pure-IDM. Newer artists such as Khonnor, Digitonal and Venetian Snares prefer to add guitars, vocals, orchestras or elements from other genres to spice up this now defunct style. Veteran acts like Two Lone Swordsmen seem to have gone the same way.

Artists
Aphex Twin, Autechre, Venetian Snares, Plaid, Boards of Canada, µ-ziq, Squarepusher, Bola, Two Lone Swordsmen, Autofire*, MDK, Metamatics, CiM

Essential Tracks
Aphex Twin: Bouncing Bucephalus Ball
Squarepusher: Cooper's World
Boards of Canada: In A Beautiful Place Out In The Country
Joseph Nothing: Disc O'Nostalagia
Chris Clark: Diesel Raven
Autechre: Arch Carrier
Coba: After Dinner (Plaid Mix)

Essential Albums
Autechre: LP5
Boards of Canada: Geogaddi
Aphex Twin: I Care Because You Do
Plaid: Restproof Clockwork
µ-ziq: Royal Astronomy
Digitonal: 23thingsfallapart

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 3 November 2005 00:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

IDM : that was all that was, wasn't that.

blunt (blunt), Thursday, 3 November 2005 00:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

how are digitonal essential?

nutrasweet glider, Thursday, 3 November 2005 01:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

you mean, how is digitonal essential?

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 3 November 2005 01:04 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

according to Vahid, IDM is the same as house but with a little disco thrown in too.
-- biz (b...), November 2nd, 2005 1:28 PM.

i so stupid!!

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 3 November 2005 02:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

anyway

susan and dominique are sort of getting to the root of it ... and dog latin's post (i am pretty sure it's not his writing?) is absolutely worthless.

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 3 November 2005 02:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i mean, sentence-by-sentence completely worthless.

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 3 November 2005 02:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

IDM, or Intelligent Dance Music was a term first coined from an internet mailing list in the mid-90s to describe a style of Techno music that concentrates on experimentation and an emphasis on home-listening rather than the dancefloor

doesn't every armand van helden album do this? concentrate on experimentation + home listening, relative to his 12" releases? so IDM is every dance album released on CD instead of 12"?

Probably the first true IDM music to be released were the Artificial Intelligence compilations from the early nineties on Warp Records.

the first "true IDM"?? before that it was all "fake IDM"?? WTF, unfortunate.

Throughout the early nineties, IDM became the soundtrack to every post-rave comedown - something to put on after a night of hard revelling.

so that's sueno latino, morcheeba, the verve, primal scream, etc...

But rather than becoming mere chillout music to mong about to

wait! but this is the same author who is recommending geogaddi and restproof clockwork?

trying to push their machines to the limit

worst cliche ever. what exactly does it mean? early chicago house, early jungle, early gabba, etc all have worse distortion / bigger hardware fuckery than pretty much every aphex / autechre album ever.

In many cases artists would often completely rewire their synths and mixers in order to create even more outlandish sounds

deeper and deeper into nonsense ...

Certain techniques such as "snare rushes" (the rapid triggering of a percussive noise) led to micro-genres like Drill'n'Bass and Glitch

OMG "richard d james album" invented jungle!

Geekinness took over where originality once was and Aphex Twin's disappointing yet long-awaited Druqks album heralded the death knell of IDM

haha ouch. who wrote this crap?? anyway, did anyone tell prefuse 73 that druqks killed IDM?

The development of better and better computer software and music hardware also meant that it was easy for producers to recreate a lot of the once inexecutable sounds of earlier pioneers

uh ... maybe we are talking about the analord series ripping off dj pierre? luke vibert's amen andrews / "acid house" albums? squarepusher's half-assedly aping teo macero? "rephlex presents grime"??

Many techniques and sounds which debuted on Autechre and Aphex albums can be heard in genres as diverse as Grime, Electro, Dancehall, Post-Rock, Noise and even in the charts today.

whereas the vice-versa can't?

The genre continues in some form or another but very few artists and labels continue succesfully in making pure-IDM

"we tried to make pure-IDM but our IDM came out tainted! impure!"

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 3 November 2005 02:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

according to Vahid, IDM is the same as house but with a little disco thrown in too.
-- biz (b...), November 2nd, 2005 1:28 PM.

according to most people on ILM, IDM is

the same as techno but with a little brian eno thrown in too.
the same as jungle but with a little merzbow thrown in too.
the same as electro but with a little ryuichi sakamoto thrown in too.
the same as 2step but with a little cabarert voltaire thrown in too.

so how is my formulation any worse?

maybe you take some house, and throw in some disco, and throw in a little more, and throw in some emo-leaning new wave pop too, and suddenly it's no longer so acceptable to house DJs or house fans but suddenly it's so much more appealing to margin walkers (ie you know arthur russell but not rene+angela), to people who can't get over body music (same people who think japan's "ghosts" is better than animotion's "obsession"), to people who swing the big wood for meaningless phrases like "interesting textures" or "complex structures" or "well-developed songs".

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 3 November 2005 02:53 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

no longer so acceptable to house DJs or house fans

or disco fans or new wave fans, crucially...

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 3 November 2005 02:54 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

to interrupt for a moment, this Milk Factory: Music News That Doesn't Suck? was the original conversation my (admittedly not very well formed in the first place) thought was taken from, quoted out of context onto a separate thread + gratuitous insults added. Annoying.

login name (fandango), Thursday, 3 November 2005 03:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

login name you've been pretty cool about this... so i commit to further your disassociation from this topic henceforth. etc etc.

you've outdone yourself. sorry i brought you into this.

but seriously, wtf? people are abusing these genres for good and evil.. i just got conned into seeing Trey Anastatio tonight for $30 USD, have forgiveness... what hippy genre doth he fall into?

hydrallus, Thursday, 3 November 2005 08:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i think vahid has illustrated the worthlessness of the term 'IDM' itself rather than dog latin's post about what it is.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 3 November 2005 11:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Oh come on Vahid! That is a ridiculous tearing apart of my post. I never once said that Aphex invented jungle or that people listened to nothing but the AI compilation after raves or that Gabba artists weren't pushing their machines to the limits. Most of it is my opinion and I remember the day I put Druqks into my player and thought "oh no not this again" that I started losing a lot of interest in this style of music. Having been heavily involved in the IDM scene, releasing records, strating web communities, organising gigs etc, I could tell that circa 2001 that a lot of people were beginning to lose interest in it. So no, I'm not talking crap - I was trying to answer the question.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 3 November 2005 11:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Really this discussion is a bit like trying to argue over the differences between deep dark house and deep dark trance. It's all a much of a muchness and like all genres it's what you make of it.

Also, will all those making the revelatory argument that "IDM is a stupid term" please shush because all genre names are stupid terms.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 3 November 2005 12:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

so dl which 'techniques' and what kind of 'sounds' from IDM do you hear on, to pick on two genres you've listed, dancehall and noise?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 3 November 2005 12:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

meaningless phrases like "interesting textures" or "complex structures" or "well-developed songs".

hahaha right 'meaningless'.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 3 November 2005 12:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It IS a stupider name than most genre name simply because of:
1) the implication of superiority that susan touched on
2) the effort it takes to even explain the abbreviation well. look at this thread ffs!
3) the snobbishness that comes from the conspicuous barrier erected in an attempt to dissasociate it (wrongly) from 'mere' techno i.e. - the "I don't like Techno, but I like Aphex Twin" cliche

I'd happily call it home-listening techno and be done with it. Frankly 'electronica' I think is the real-world term for most casual fans of 'IDM' and much more preferable & practical.

login name (fandango), Thursday, 3 November 2005 12:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

okay points 1 & 3 probably the same thing.

login name (fandango), Thursday, 3 November 2005 12:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The Definition of IDM?

Stefan Koopmanschap (Electronic Music World) attempts to assimilate the definition of "IDM," an acronym initially coined as a mailing list via Hyperreal.org in the early 90s.
http://igloomag.com/doc.php?task=view&id=1155&category=features

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 3 November 2005 12:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

so dl which 'techniques' and what kind of 'sounds' from IDM do you hear on, to pick on two genres you've listed, dancehall and noise?

It would be just subtleties in the production really. I'm sure for instance I heard a Backstreet Boys song with glitch-beats at the end. I'm sure the experimentation in riddims during the height of dancehall in 2003 is similar to what the IDM producers were doing a little earlier - stuttering beats, syncopated rhythms etc.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 3 November 2005 13:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It IS a stupider name than most genre name simply because of:
1) the implication of superiority that susan touched on
2) the effort it takes to even explain the abbreviation well. look at this thread ffs!
3) the snobbishness that comes from the conspicuous barrier erected in an attempt to dissasociate it (wrongly) from 'mere' techno i.e. - the "I don't like Techno, but I like Aphex Twin" cliche
I'd happily call it home-listening techno and be done with it. Frankly 'electronica' I think is the real-world term for most casual fans of 'IDM' and much more preferable & practical.

Yeh but Electronica can be applied to Chemical Brothers, Orbital, Sneaker Pimps etc. At the end of the day, the term IDM has stuck and people (well people on the net) tend to know what you mean by IDM. People talk about "indie music" all the time, regardless of whether the band is on an independent record label or not. Anyway, IDM has become "snobby" music. A lot of producers these days do take themselves very seriously and their fans do laugh at so-called "stupid techno". It's not a good thing, but then I'd say "home-listening techno" isn't a very good term either because I listen to IDM on my walkman and I've even been to see it live. I don't see why people should be so offended by the term "intelligent techno", people know what to expect from this term.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 3 November 2005 13:10 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

it takes too long to say.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 3 November 2005 13:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

What is the essential difference between what Koopmanschap is saying and what I wrote in my description?

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 3 November 2005 13:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

also direct link:

wikipedia on IDM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_dance_music

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 3 November 2005 13:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

That's the thing, I don't think it has stuck, outside of net discussions and obsessives all that much personally. It's embarrasing to even SAY out loud. I'll go as far as describing Autechre as 'electronic jazz' if I have to.

on preview -- Sociah T Azzahole OTM!

Wasn't "intelligent techno" more used in R&S days?

I dunno, that's fine too but I still think "electronica" is better suited to describing a wide net of music, that tends to lean in the direction of the arrythmic-to-less-danceable, less 4/4 based, and more diffuse/freeform/experimental.

login name (fandango), Thursday, 3 November 2005 13:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah I just say 'electronic' now, don't even need the 'a' really. if you mean the dancier stuff you can just say DAHNCE.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 3 November 2005 13:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Motor City Mike Taylor once said it stood for "Imitating Derrick May."

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 3 November 2005 13:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Stevem, yeh that's fair. Online or to the initiated I say "IDM", outside of that I'll say "electronic music" or "electronica". However, I think within certain circles it should be safe to say IDM without getting into age-old discussions about the suitability of said term.

A term I quite like that I heard was "elec" which is good!

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 3 November 2005 14:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

All my friends that listen to pretty much just techno/jungle/hardcore and whatnot all seem to be under the impression that IDM consists only of drill n' bass and or experimental jugle. This is not the case. Ahhhh just read above this post and you'll be fine. There have been so many arguments and disscussions on what IDM is that, well I'm not going anywhere with this.

Tokyo Ghost Stories (Tokyo Ghost Stories), Friday, 4 November 2005 00:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

no more threads about IDM or Nirvana, PLEASE

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 4 November 2005 01:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Myself: "I'm seeing so and so tommorow"
Brother: "what type of music does he make, is it IDM?"
Myself: "No it's not"
Mother: " What's IDM?"
Brother: "It's a type of music"
Mother: "Oh, I thought it was a country"

True story.

Tokyo Ghost Stories (Tokyo Ghost Stories), Sunday, 6 November 2005 06:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

That's great! Just another reason to keep the term "IDM" - confuse the uninitiated!

Has anyone ever made Nirvana IDM?

dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 6 November 2005 08:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

re: the snobby part.
i imagined (see below) IDM was borne out of people feeling moved on the dance floor by rhythm/tonal stuff and wanting to see what other reactions/ideas electronic music could conjure there or at home etc. that might bridge the gap between unconscious and conscious appreciation for this kind of music...kinda in the same way jazz has developed, or even classical. maybe the music of IDM sounds snobby and awkward sometimes b/c artists are failing to bridge the gap-maybe approached the wrong way it becomes an impossible goal; i'm guessing 4/4 was abandoned in attempt to express more complex scenarios, yet in theory it should be possible in simple structure and with repitition-IDM shouldn't have to be a home listening experience only (not that is should be expressly danceable either...but you shouldn't have to work to enjoy it) - this would also explain why it is hard to pin down what is and is not IDM. i thought ellen allien's thrills album was pretty close to IDM's goals though, and yet in the end she approached it slightly from the wrong angle and the album feels a tiny bit stale and is thus ruined/hard to swallow (yet still amazing...when you think about it).

since only been aware of any electronica for about a year, i understand this could all be dreams-will not take offense at being skewered.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Sunday, 6 November 2005 09:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

IDM, we hardly knew ye.

I always liked Jay Lesser's idea to call this stuff "supermusic"; you have to practice saying it in a German accent- "i don't make IDM, I make zupermusik" .

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Sunday, 6 November 2005 09:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

probably

the late great, Thursday, 26 January 2017 03:16 (one year ago) Permalink

I never thought of Amon Tobin as IDM, I guess? Too organic and sample-based. But it still fell into the left-field, non-functional electronic music I was into at the time, so sure.

(And I still feel like Foley Room and ISAM are underrated in terms of their influence on the current crop of sound design-heavy, cinematic, high-impact experimental club music)

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 26 January 2017 17:01 (one year ago) Permalink

Tri Repetae is not one of the more interesting autechres to me but it's the most 'listenable', in the same sense that a beer is 'drinkable'

ciderpress, Thursday, 26 January 2017 17:06 (one year ago) Permalink

Chiastic Slide/LP5 is my sweet spot for listenable + interesting

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 26 January 2017 17:21 (one year ago) Permalink

Oversteps + Move of Ten!!!!

frogbs, Thursday, 26 January 2017 17:23 (one year ago) Permalink

Draft + Untilted + Quaristice :)

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Friday, 27 January 2017 01:46 (one year ago) Permalink

oh we're doing top Ae, in that case I choose Amber, Chiastic, Cichlisuite, EP7, Confield, Untilted, Exai and maybe elseq.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Friday, 27 January 2017 04:37 (one year ago) Permalink

Basically anything post Tri Repetae can be the best autechre album, depending on my specific mood.

silverfish, Friday, 27 January 2017 15:57 (one year ago) Permalink

tri repetae definitely my favorite autechre. lp5 is good too

marcos, Friday, 27 January 2017 16:06 (one year ago) Permalink

quaristice was rad too i thought

marcos, Friday, 27 January 2017 16:06 (one year ago) Permalink

despite owning almost all of his albums and really really loving some of them ("coronus the terminator", what an amazing tune) i kind of hate flylo

marcos, Friday, 27 January 2017 16:07 (one year ago) Permalink

me too, for Farben last two days

yea that farben album is so smooth

marcos, Friday, 27 January 2017 16:10 (one year ago) Permalink

side note, just realizing list ignored a whole corner of post-IDM dance music from the likes of Zomby, Lone, Rustie, et al -- these guys have been vocal about being influenced by Aphex, BOC and the first wave of IDM, kind of surprising not to see at least one of them show up.

Dominique, Friday, 27 January 2017 16:14 (one year ago) Permalink

Lone and Zomby are on my albums list

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Friday, 27 January 2017 16:35 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm getting my threads confused...

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Friday, 27 January 2017 16:36 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm less surprised about those ones not showing, but I would have thought OPN would be on there

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Friday, 27 January 2017 16:38 (one year ago) Permalink

That's why I thought it was weird to crack the lid of that box just a little, there is soooo much that could be a whole separate list.

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 27 January 2017 16:39 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

I'm putting on a night of classic electronica, IDM, glitch, breaks, drill'n'bass etc tomorrow. Got a fair bit of music lined up, but what would you include (preferably stuff that has aged okay and is generally upbeat enough to dance to, or at least tap your toes)?

Scritti Vanilli - The Word Girl You Know It's True (dog latin), Friday, 12 October 2018 14:08 (two months ago) Permalink

Quinoline Yellow - see 14 across
Isan - amber button (i prefer the "live" one if you can find it. ah, it's on bandcamp)

koogs, Friday, 12 October 2018 14:50 (two months ago) Permalink

Carl Craig, LFO, Kenny Larkin, early mike paradinas, ken ishii, two lone swordsmen, cristian vogel. cylob if you want to fuck with people.

El Tomboto, Friday, 12 October 2018 14:55 (two months ago) Permalink

Buckfunk 3000.

El Tomboto, Friday, 12 October 2018 14:55 (two months ago) Permalink

i might play Rewind! by Cylob. A lot of these tracks are really lo-fi sounding by today's comparison. Also I realised how many of these old tunes I painstakingly ripped from CD to 128kbps back in the mid-2000s. Well done me.

Scritti Vanilli - The Word Girl You Know It's True (dog latin), Friday, 12 October 2018 15:03 (two months ago) Permalink

'Flutter'!

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 12 October 2018 15:14 (two months ago) Permalink

One of my personal all-time jams
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh-UY_JKS8w

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 12 October 2018 15:15 (two months ago) Permalink

Ambient News - Zweite Sendung
Cylob - The Quantum Loonyverse

these are post-2000 but both are arguably classics

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Friday, 12 October 2018 15:19 (two months ago) Permalink

DJ Pierre - Box Energy (AFX Remix)

Not sure if this is too obvious? Probably. But greatest ever anyway.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 12 October 2018 15:20 (two months ago) Permalink

If I were putting on an “electronica” night as dog latin describes, I would intentionally eschew anything involving richard d james, except MAYBE Alberto Balsam as the very last track of the set.

El Tomboto, Friday, 12 October 2018 15:46 (two months ago) Permalink

or (last resort) play XMAS_EVET10, cuz it could possibly be transcendental "af"

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Friday, 12 October 2018 16:31 (two months ago) Permalink

It'd be cool to go from Derrick May to Speedy J (De-Orbit?) to something off Bytes

Something off Bricolage or Permutation

At least one Björk remix, maybe the Underworld mix of Human Behaviour

As you know, and as I can never resist pointing out, lots of SAW I bumps on a good system

drill n bass classix ... Brace Yourself Jason, Red Hot Car

Uhura Mazda (lukas), Friday, 12 October 2018 17:36 (two months ago) Permalink

The Björk remix you need is Alec Empire’s take on State of Emergency

to give everyone a break after Eddie “flashin’” Fowlkes’ “Lodge Freeway”

El Tomboto, Friday, 12 October 2018 17:46 (two months ago) Permalink

I forgot to mention I have a strict remit of falling between the years 1992-2002. that's the rules and I'm sticking by them

Scritti Vanilli - The Word Girl You Know It's True (dog latin), Friday, 12 October 2018 18:02 (two months ago) Permalink

FSOL is your nu-god

El Tomboto, Friday, 12 October 2018 18:49 (two months ago) Permalink

Don’t forget spacetime continuum & spring heel jack

El Tomboto, Friday, 12 October 2018 18:52 (two months ago) Permalink

Some of the more hip-hop influenced Autechre tracks - "Lowride", "Eutow", "Draun Quarter", "Pen Expers"

Steve Reich In The Afternoon (Against The 80s), Friday, 12 October 2018 18:54 (two months ago) Permalink

Eutow YES everything else MEH

El Tomboto, Friday, 12 October 2018 18:55 (two months ago) Permalink

I have made a minor alteration to my Richard d James ban

The very first track of the set should be Funny Little Man

The track played at the exact median of the set should be AFX 114

As above re: last track

Those are the only rdj things allowed and they can only occur as directed above

El Tomboto, Friday, 12 October 2018 18:57 (two months ago) Permalink

FSOL is your nu-god

i dunno that seems to open the floodgates to the Orb, Orbital etc

Uhura Mazda (lukas), Friday, 12 October 2018 18:58 (two months ago) Permalink

Basic Channel - Q1.1/I

Steve Reich In The Afternoon (Against The 80s), Friday, 12 October 2018 19:01 (two months ago) Permalink

I will probably end up playing a bit more pop-oriented stuff by the end to keep the throngs happy, so Orbital and Orb etc could well happen

Scritti Vanilli - The Word Girl You Know It's True (dog latin), Friday, 12 October 2018 19:02 (two months ago) Permalink

"Frosch" by Mouse on Mars always seems to go over well. Particularly the edited version

dunno if any Autechre would fit, maybe "Slip" ?

frogbs, Friday, 12 October 2018 19:10 (two months ago) Permalink

I'm definitely playing Arch Carrier. Possibly Slip

Scritti Vanilli - The Word Girl You Know It's True (dog latin), Friday, 12 October 2018 19:11 (two months ago) Permalink

'Flutter'!

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change display name (Jordan), Friday, 12 October 2018 19:15 (two months ago) Permalink

Actually I'm listening to the rest of the Anti EP now and it holds up suuuper well.

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 12 October 2018 19:20 (two months ago) Permalink

tbh I have never witnessed anyone trying to dance to IDM. It’s not like I’m going to dance parties all the time (or ever) so I believe that it happens. But I’m having difficulty imagining it!

1-800-CALL-ATT (Karl Malone), Friday, 12 October 2018 19:30 (two months ago) Permalink

I would totally go to this to hear the classics on a sound system btw, sounds like a fun challenge to make a real dance set out of it.

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 12 October 2018 19:37 (two months ago) Permalink

Oh yeah we all demand a recording of this right?

Uhura Mazda (lukas), Friday, 12 October 2018 20:08 (two months ago) Permalink

Lego Feet?

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Friday, 12 October 2018 20:11 (two months ago) Permalink

I recorded the whole set. It was rather low-key, thanks to a last minute venue change - just a small room in a pub. Still my friends and I had fun revisiting some of the classics and pissing off the locals.

This is a long mix, with three DJs basically swapping in and out from each other all the way through, so I don't have a tracklisting... but, enjoy!

https://www.mixcloud.com/doglatin/science-time-machine-edition-at-the-farm-pub-bristol-with-feedle-silverhaze/

Scritti Vanilli - The Word Girl You Know It's True (dog latin), Sunday, 14 October 2018 15:19 (two months ago) Permalink


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