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I am trying to burn an Animal Collective album that I purchased from the Apple store. iTunes is telling me I cannot burn files from the Music Store. Did they change their policy recently? I thought that I could burn a limited number of copies.
Also, any suggestions for actually getting this onto CD (I have a Mac, so Windows solutions likely won't help).

Jason Dent (jason dont), Friday, 28 October 2005 03:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Okay nevermind. My settings were for mp3 discs instead of audio, and it is working now. Stand down.

Jason Dent (jason dont), Friday, 28 October 2005 03:13 (sixteen years ago) link

BUY THE ALBUM
SUPPORT THE AC

la la palooza, Saturday, 29 October 2005 15:20 (sixteen years ago) link

he did buy it, moron

you're such a moron goodbye, Sunday, 30 October 2005 13:06 (sixteen years ago) link

ten months pass...
iTunes 7 is the latest release with now a "gapless playback" and the new Movie store.

Also, I really like the new album artwork feature.

van igloo (van smack), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 00:05 (sixteen years ago) link

That feature's been available for months as "CoverFlow" - the website's down right now but you can download it from http://www.steelskies.com/coverflow/

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 00:12 (sixteen years ago) link

normally, i mean

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 00:13 (sixteen years ago) link

not any more, apple bought them. its very pretty, but i doubt i'll use it much.

zappi (joni), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 00:53 (sixteen years ago) link

the album artwork thing...it stalls on me before it ever actually searches through the whole library for album covers...

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 01:37 (sixteen years ago) link

True, CoverFlow was faster. I only used that recently because I like picking records by cover, but I think I might have deleted my copy a bit soon.

Jena (JenaP), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 01:59 (sixteen years ago) link

this coverflow gobbles RAM.

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 02:14 (sixteen years ago) link

it certainly does.

trees (treesessplode), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:24 (sixteen years ago) link

Fucking sucks that you can't make an MP3 CD of these. How am I supposed to archive this shit?

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:29 (sixteen years ago) link

why can't you?

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:42 (sixteen years ago) link

o! have they integrated coverflow, then? i got an excitable e-mail from stet about this but didn't quite get the rock-ness of it. hurrah.

guess i should go an' download this new iTunes, then.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 20:49 (sixteen years ago) link

"Clear" command has become the more logical "Delete." Selected and currently-playing tracks are now easier to find in the clutter. Gapless playback and coverflow are great.

M. V. (M.V.), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 23:23 (sixteen years ago) link

they've "integrated" coverflow really, really fucking badly. absolute shit. as i just posted on ILE: you'd think it might be able to find the existing copy of coverflow and maybe bring across album artwork from there too? but no, that would be too sensible.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 14 September 2006 13:52 (sixteen years ago) link

I completely geeked out over gapless playback - all those CD DJ mixes that I had to import as one long track (each) can now be deleted & reconverted in their correct form. Awesome. So glad I haven't done my planned CD purge yet!!!

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Thursday, 14 September 2006 14:37 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah the gapless playback makes a huge difference - agree with simon about the coverflow suckage.

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 14 September 2006 14:42 (sixteen years ago) link

Eye candy. Mmmmm. Sgt Peppers->Day in the Life gapless segue. Mmmmm.

gentoo (gentoo), Thursday, 14 September 2006 16:12 (sixteen years ago) link

hang on, hang on. this gapless thing, wonderful though it is, doesn't work on my iPod. indeed, looking at the support site, it appears it doesn't work on anything except the newest models. GAAAAAH.

to spite apple, i'm going to set up my PB5300 in the kitchen while i cook dinner, and use that for a bit instead. fuckers!

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 14 September 2006 17:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Has anyone ever successfully requested an lp on itunes? The only place I can buy the fantastic Flying Rhythms outside Japan is on itunes US and Germany. BOOOHOOOO. I wonder if there might be a way round this.

sole survivor (davemotion), Thursday, 14 September 2006 17:19 (sixteen years ago) link

ooh thanks for reminding me to get that

Really cool, wickedly cool, cooly cool bon apetit! (ex machina), Thursday, 14 September 2006 17:51 (sixteen years ago) link

which flying rhythms are you after?

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 14 September 2006 17:56 (sixteen years ago) link

the first one and 'rhythm connection'. i have 'do the waves', but can't find those anywhere

sole survivor (davemotion), Thursday, 14 September 2006 18:04 (sixteen years ago) link

i have "n'danka n'danka" on m4a/aac. will mail you later. john if you want it check Leonardo tonight.

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 14 September 2006 18:13 (sixteen years ago) link

The integrated Coverflow in itunes 7 is a) free, b) compatible with pre-10.4 Macs, and c) compatible with Windows.

M. V. (M.V.), Thursday, 14 September 2006 18:17 (sixteen years ago) link

jed - you're a star! i can't get email at the address shown anymore, but can at b.gotts@hotmail.co.uk

muchas gracias!

sole survivor (davemotion), Thursday, 14 September 2006 18:23 (sixteen years ago) link

b) compatible with pre-10.4 Macs

not my iMac. (did i mention that here? no, hang on, that was on ILE.) anyway, it makes a total cock of the whole thing. will post screenshots later if i can be arsed. (nb: i'm sure it's not an OS-related thing; it'll be a basic graphics-related thing. BUT STILL.)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 14 September 2006 18:46 (sixteen years ago) link

Huh. Works on my Mac mini running 10.3.9. (Does Coverflow use OpenGL, btw?)

M. V. (M.V.), Thursday, 14 September 2006 19:13 (sixteen years ago) link

sole survivor, you got mail.

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 14 September 2006 19:20 (sixteen years ago) link

not sure about openGL. either way: this is a five-year-old (if not more) iMac DVSE; i'm probably expecting too much. i mean, everything else works, and it displays the covers fine in all the other views, so ...

... wow, it's amazing what half a bottle of red wine can do for yr mac-related woes, innit?

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 14 September 2006 21:08 (sixteen years ago) link

The new itunes, for gapless playback alone, is super-great.
Anybody know what this new "Album Artist" field is about in track info?

blood bitch (blood bitch), Thursday, 14 September 2006 21:45 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah strange that they have made it the third box on the track info pop up? more important than album title?

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 14 September 2006 21:49 (sixteen years ago) link

er ... it's ... umm ... alphabetical, innit?

sorry :)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 14 September 2006 21:53 (sixteen years ago) link

OH NO i see what you mean. sorry. wow, yeh. hadn't noticed that.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 14 September 2006 21:54 (sixteen years ago) link

a quick google search got this from musicbrainz.com:

MusicBrainz Album Artist Identifier

The MusicBrainz Album Artist Id is used to store an artist identifier for the album the track is on. This is only for VariousArtistsReleases where the tracks have multiple different artists and the album itself is by the special artist VariousArtists with ArtistID 89ad4ac3-39f7-470e-963a-56509c546377.

so, er, clear as mud. anyone?

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 14 September 2006 21:57 (sixteen years ago) link

it's something to do with windows media player, i think ...

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 14 September 2006 22:00 (sixteen years ago) link

right. more googling reveals this, on some site for some PC utility or other:


Albums without album artists will not show up in MCE right or will not be detected probably by WMP. WMP relies on the fact that all albums have an album artist. Compilation albums also have an album artist: Various Artists. Although all tracks can have their separate track artists, the album artist is a must have. The Album Artist is also essential for the location of the tracks.

so i guess it's to allow ppl to import existing WMP libraries into iTunes.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 14 September 2006 22:02 (sixteen years ago) link

very useful. what?

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 14 September 2006 22:25 (sixteen years ago) link

end

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 14 September 2006 22:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Always surprised no one brings up iTunesCool, which fetches album artwork and lyrics, although it can't find everything, esp. with lyrics. Still, nice to sit back and let computer find lyrics for me.

Jamesy (SuzyCreemcheese), Friday, 15 September 2006 00:56 (sixteen years ago) link

One other feature I like is the "open in windows explorer" option when right clicking songs. It's now easier to delete files from the harddrive.

van igloo (van smack), Friday, 15 September 2006 15:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Anybody know what this new "Album Artist" field is about in track info?

with foobar2000, we use this for mixes, eg:

Album: Boogy Bytes Vol 1
Tracknumber: 1
Artist: Fred Giannelli
Title: Distant Gratification
Album Artist: Kiki

todd (todd), Saturday, 16 September 2006 04:01 (sixteen years ago) link

Album Artist is ideal for albums with multiple aliases of the same artist on it, collaborations, and most importantly: DJ mix cd's. So song artists "Snoop ft Dre" can be on a "Snoop" album, and you can set the DJ name as album artist while retaining the artists of separate songs. Windows Media Player has had it for years, as well as most other media library programs. The mp3/m4a tagging system allows for it, iTunes just didn't use it before.

Siegbran (eofor), Saturday, 16 September 2006 10:21 (sixteen years ago) link

okay, yes. thinking about it, that makes a lot of sense. in fact: if i had my entire library organised by "album artist", it might solve a few minor problems. still. too late now. and anyway, my slightly perverse habit of having a playlist for every album gets round it all anyway :)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Saturday, 16 September 2006 10:32 (sixteen years ago) link

has anyone else here had annoying playback issues with itunes (on either mac or windows)? It occasionally just starts freaking out now while playing back, stuttering, scratchy....pausing and playing again sometimes fixes this, sometimes doesn't.

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 17 September 2006 14:26 (sixteen years ago) link

has anyone else here had annoying playback issues with itunes (on either mac or windows)? It occasionally just starts freaking out now while playing back, stuttering, scratchy....pausing and playing again sometimes fixes this, sometimes doesn't.

I had this issue last night playing clips from the store- closing and restarting itunes fixed it.

Telephonething (Telephonething), Sunday, 17 September 2006 19:53 (sixteen years ago) link

my slightly perverse habit of having a playlist for every album gets round it all anyway

what's perverse about that? surely it's the obvious way to play an album in order. how else would you do it?

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 17 September 2006 20:02 (sixteen years ago) link

i dunno, guv. all i know is playlists, innit, see? but i've been cruelly mocked and laughed at for it. by stet, anyway.

still, he can swivel.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Sunday, 17 September 2006 21:48 (sixteen years ago) link

highlight them and it's listed at the bottom in usual space

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 27 June 2013 07:15 (nine years ago) link

click menu button in top left corner and choose 'show menu bar'. go to the View menu and choose 'show status bar'

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 27 June 2013 10:53 (nine years ago) link

yess! ta

pink, fleshy, and gleeful (sic), Thursday, 27 June 2013 23:24 (nine years ago) link

eleven months pass...

guh, itunes 11, wtf : /

j., Tuesday, 10 June 2014 00:51 (eight years ago) link

times a million -

lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 10 June 2014 02:18 (eight years ago) link

three weeks pass...

beef with itunes:

itunes suddenly has no internet connection (help, checking for updates, store, etc), and also isn't recognizing my iphone. both problems started happening at the same time. wtf is going on

itunes 11.2.2.3
iphone 5, 7.1.2

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Saturday, 5 July 2014 20:03 (eight years ago) link

four months pass...

I used to use Privatunes to scrub my iTunes store-purchased files of info, but it doesn't seem to work anymore. Anyone know of a utility that will do this?

Nhex, Saturday, 22 November 2014 19:09 (seven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

finally, finally i can view a playlist as a list of albums

(view a playlist, select Albums in the top right, you'll see a bunch of album covers instead of a list of tracks)

the most painstaking, humorless people in the world (lukas), Friday, 12 December 2014 04:13 (seven years ago) link

hasn't that been in there since 10?

Nhex, Friday, 12 December 2014 05:54 (seven years ago) link

Well, no, because clearly I would have noticed it, QED

the most painstaking, humorless people in the world (lukas), Friday, 12 December 2014 16:08 (seven years ago) link

Yeah I think that's been a feature for awhile. You could do choose how any grouping of albums displayed, whether playlist or full library.

Evan, Friday, 12 December 2014 16:15 (seven years ago) link

seven months pass...

my old playlists look like this

http://i.imgur.com/JEWfPwJ.png

but when I make a new playlist, it looks like this

http://i.imgur.com/YiiyRFv.png

How do I turn this off?

dick wet with chickenshit (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 24 July 2015 20:19 (seven years ago) link

At the top-right of the iTunes window (just under the search box), switch from "Playlist" to "Songs"

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 24 July 2015 20:34 (seven years ago) link

sick, thank you!!!!!

dick wet with chickenshit (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 24 July 2015 21:01 (seven years ago) link

lol, I had to talk my daughter down from a conniption fit about that exact issue last night. It definitely isn't intuitive or particularly easy to find.

dart scar rashes (WilliamC), Friday, 24 July 2015 21:06 (seven years ago) link

i ran into this issue too. it's so stupid. don't like what they've done on the phone side either.

Nhex, Friday, 24 July 2015 21:23 (seven years ago) link

I accidentally made the iTunes window full screen and it took essentially total keyboard button mashing to get it back to normal. I still don't know what key to press. iTunes is amazing in the way it gets worse with every new version.

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 24 July 2015 23:36 (seven years ago) link

command + control + f will get you out of full-screen mode on any app. Intuitive, right? Everyone got it?

I eventually had to brute-force that stupid key combo into my head because I kept invoking full-screen. Does anyone use full-screen?

iTunes UI is the worst case of "it was working so we fixed it" software development ever. At least it still supports AppleScript.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 24 July 2015 23:54 (seven years ago) link

I actually thought iTunes 10 was pretty good. Album flip view or whatever was great. Everything after has been abysmal.

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 25 July 2015 00:01 (seven years ago) link

Cover Flow was great, then Apple decided it was a terrible idea for some reason?

Nhex, Saturday, 25 July 2015 00:18 (seven years ago) link

They can keep adding things but I really don't think I wanna use any function that wasn't there in 2005.

dick wet with chickenshit (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 25 July 2015 01:36 (seven years ago) link

I wish that Apple initially split out books, podcast, videos, and everything that isn't music into their own separate apps instead of shoehorning the whole works into iTunes and then trying to undo it all. (think this would have been around iTunes 8 or 9?)

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 25 July 2015 23:31 (seven years ago) link

At least they did that with Books, so far. problem is they will still want the iTunes store to sell everything, so all the capability needs to be to be in the same client, naturally..

Nhex, Sunday, 26 July 2015 00:25 (seven years ago) link

I have a feeling there's a lot of accounting plumbing upstream that naturally just takes forever to change. I just noticed that my iTunes purchase receipts now say Apple, Inc instead of iTunes.

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 26 July 2015 01:25 (seven years ago) link

nine months pass...

iTunes ?

OK, now where did this go?

nazi pugs fuck off (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 24 May 2016 23:53 (six years ago) link

Found it... It's in "View" now!

nazi pugs fuck off (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 24 May 2016 23:54 (six years ago) link

Still the worst computer application that has ever been written.

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 00:52 (six years ago) link

six years pass...

Roffle I loved iTunes (I love a lot of shitty things, go figure).

I wanted as long as possible to make the switch from iTunes to the newish Mac Music app cause I knew there would be issues. WOW are there issues, so so many issues. I’ll skim past the part where Apple told me the same lie in three different tech support sessions, moving past how there’s a bug that randomly causes major issues on all sound output — not just the usual annoying clicking and popping noises, the bug causes my entire sound output to slow down. So fucked up haha.

Anyway now I’ve spent oh three months rebuilding my music library that Apple destroyed and I keep finding new weird quirks. If ANYONE else still uses this crap does this make sense?

Sometimes when I’m listening to a song in the song list of Music, and I try to “go to current song” [command-L] it will only show me the album view. There’s no way to jump to the current song in the list, it will only show me shitty album view, like it’s forcing it on me. Is there any rhyme or reason to this??

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Thursday, 22 September 2022 16:18 (one week ago) link

*WAITED as long as possible, not “wanted”

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Thursday, 22 September 2022 16:18 (one week ago) link

Alternatively I’m open to suggestions for replacements for Music on Mac. (I’ve also been exploring Ubuntu some too.)

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Thursday, 22 September 2022 16:20 (one week ago) link

The changeover from iTunes to iTunes Match to Apple Music was . . . less than perfect. I've encountered numerous instances of lost tracks and missing cover art. And the way Apple Music handles smart playlists on mobile devices is unpredictable.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 22 September 2022 16:27 (one week ago) link

I'm still limping by with iTunes on my MacBook Pro, terrified to make the switch. Ostensibly my library is on an external hard drive and I'm told it's "pretty easy" to switch with this type of external drive library but... I have my doubts.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 22 September 2022 16:29 (one week ago) link

Your doubts are very valid. The specific issue that I feel like killed my library (of fifteen years ha) is with syncing my iPhone. I use USB to sync — don’t trust this “cloud” jibberjabber — and now when I sync it copies the entire music library selected for my phone over again. I usually keep thousands of songs on there and like to sync frequently so I regard that as a dealbreaker.

I’ve been able to rebuild the library from scratch and recover a lot of the data from my old library by exporting playlists. Still l very tedious, but I actually want all my data, that’s why I stuck with these senescent apps.

I am pretty expert at transferring music libraries and glad to offer advice if needed when you decide to make the fatal leap.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Thursday, 22 September 2022 16:40 (one week ago) link

But Jimbeaux I don’t really have any issues with smart playlists.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Thursday, 22 September 2022 16:41 (one week ago) link

Ha, I'm even more old fashioned in that I don't sync at all with my iPhone, especially since my library is larger than the space on my phone, I just manually add and remove songs from the iPhone via USB.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 22 September 2022 16:42 (one week ago) link

Yeah I think we’re basically the same unless by “manual” you mean one-by-one?

My library wouldn’t fit on my phone either, I sync selected playlists. I have a main phone playlist and also use the “grouping” field like hashtags so I have smart playlists like ‘Lounge’ etc.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Thursday, 22 September 2022 16:53 (one week ago) link

But Jimbeaux I don’t really have any issues with smart playlists.

I see it mostly in classical playlists--I have one, for example, that is based on not having listened to an album in more than a year. The tracks often show up completely out of order, and a lot of times a particular track won't show up in the list, even though I haven't listened to that one any more recently than I have to the rest of the album.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 22 September 2022 17:11 (one week ago) link

xp - not one by one, but I'll just grab either a playlist or a bunch of albums to drag onto it

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 22 September 2022 17:12 (one week ago) link

Like an old-school iPod.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 22 September 2022 17:13 (one week ago) link

xp

As for the smart playlists I don’t mess with the classical-specific fields and don’t doubt they could cause issues.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Thursday, 22 September 2022 17:15 (one week ago) link

You know what really grinds my gears - that manual USB syncing doesn't really work anymore if you're on Apple Music. You still have to go to the phone make sure those files are downloaded in the app.

Nhex, Thursday, 22 September 2022 19:56 (one week ago) link

It’s working for me now since I rebuilt my library.

But FFS Apple:

"Podcasts are stored in a cache folder in ~/Library/Group Containers/243LU875E5.groups.com.apple.podcasts . This is not designed to be user accessible, and the podcast files do not display the original file names. You can, however, drag podcast files from the Podcasts app to the Desktop or to a folder."

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Thursday, 22 September 2022 22:40 (one week ago) link

Do these files actually exist? Who knows.

It’s a little weird that I’m so attached to my music that I had some little dissociative moments when I was feeling a little ‘tired and emotional’ and wasn’t sure whether my system was glitching or I was.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Thursday, 22 September 2022 22:42 (one week ago) link

Well I broke it again. That’s at least 20 hours of work wasted since my last backup. Always Be baCking up! Wow this is frustrating.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Sunday, 25 September 2022 10:55 (four days ago) link

My experience is that Music is just iTunes with podcasts and video stripped out, everything looks and works the same: tagging, playlists, syncing, scripting. Unfortunately, same limitations too (no multiple artists, multiple genres, etc).

Siegbran, Sunday, 25 September 2022 11:03 (four days ago) link

I hate how the view changes on its own. I have to manually set the filter field to search my songs, and then it disappears and I have to bring it up again.

Cow_Art, Sunday, 25 September 2022 12:17 (four days ago) link

xp

Yes all my scripts etc from iTunes seem to work the same. It’s just that my library somehow got corrupted in the migration. (I have been told that skipping major upgrades can cause issues so that may be part of it.)

If you’re on Mac or Linux do you like any non-cloud alternatives?

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Sunday, 25 September 2022 12:38 (four days ago) link

I'm on Mac - I've got Plex/Plexamp/Prism and Navidrome/Substreamer as additional servers/clients for streaming/syncing outside the house but neither are fully equivalent. Swinsian is OK for local playback but no sync-to-iPhone/iPad so I don't really see why I should switch.

It's all very frustrating since you can see what Apple Music *could* be with only a little bit of effort from the Apple devs: some additional support for tags like release type (album/single/live/etc), language, multiple artists/genres. Support for streaming/sync outside the local network (iCloud Relay looks ideal for that). Allow building smart playlists on the mobile app. Not really rocket science, but it's clear there's been zero investment in local music.

Siegbran, Monday, 26 September 2022 12:33 (three days ago) link

Smart playlists don’t even update on the mobile app (they used to.)

death generator (lukas), Monday, 26 September 2022 13:26 (three days ago) link

I kept my old iPod and upgraded both the battery and the hard drive. (The hard drive is basically an SD adapter with two SD card slots. The SD cards I use are pretty standard and inexpensive - put together they can hold over 500 GB.)

My phone gets used for too many things - I don't always have the opportunity to recharge the battery, I don't have steady internet access if I'm taking a long subway ride, and it doesn't even have a headphone jack anymore (I don't like ear pods, my headphones and ear monitors are much better), so I generally keep my music on my iPod, not my phone.

I have an old Macbook that got upgraded to the last iteration of iTunes before Music, so it can only synch, not drag and drop, but that's fine - I basically have two complete copies of my iTunes library, one on an external drive and one on my iPod, and going along with syncing at least means I don't have to worry about backing shit up because it's built into the setup. I haven't moved to Music yet, but will probably have to eventually. The OS on the old Macbook is getting less and less functional as it supports less and less software.

birdistheword, Monday, 26 September 2022 15:02 (three days ago) link


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