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Where to begin? General music folk seem to love Emperor, most metal fanatics seem to think their albums (after Nightside anyway) are ho hum. So what first, what next and what later?

Side note (Triumph of the Will question): Interesting question raised by the whole Norwegian Black Metal phenomena is how important is it that bands/artists/etc you like not be, well for lack of a better word, really really not nice? Clearly the violence these bands perpetuate(or participated in, in some extent) is no joke (quite beyond what most celebs other than OJ get in trouble for in this country anyway). . . Does or should this matter? Is music just music or do you feel any responsibility for supporting (if in no other way than financially) an artist who's viewpoint is antithetical to your own?

Alex in SF, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i would go with burzum's "filosofem" and "hvis lyset tar oss" everytime as starters - not as 'intense' as emperor but full of beautiful, fuzz-obliterated melody and has some surprisingly articulate synth stuff (not those terrible tympani and orchestra stab thing most bm artists do). weaklings "dead as dreams" on tumult shows some burzum influence but cranks up the aggression and almost becomes black metal systems music - they also have at least one member of the fucking champs in the group, and they're not "REAL" black metal to some, i'm sure, but it's an amazing album.

also: enslaved (monumension, mardraum), satyricon (rebel extravaganza), nagelfar (virus west), negura bunget (romanian!), profanatica/havohej (total crap american black metal as noise), bathory, sigh, mistiggo vargoth darkestra, wind of the black mountains... i appreciate black metal as 'art' or whatever, but i also love buying the most crap looking 7" records i can find (thus wind of the black mountains).

i don't mind supporting artists like varg vikernes who have some frankly idiotic views but at least have developed a kind of philosophy that doesn't come straight from "mein kampf" or "the satanic bible"; i own records by current 93, paris, gg allin, and whitehouse and i don't know that i agree with any of them, but i appreciate the musical aspect of what they do. but if your political views hamper your ability to enjoy music, by all means, have someone burn you a copy.

this article is helpful, with regards to your original question.

your null fame, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Paging Mr. Darnielle and Kris. I think this one comes up every three months on a thread; we should establish its own separate category in the archives. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Varg killed Euronymous in a lover's tiff.

I love Emperor's latest album. i think people loved Nightside's instant accessibility. I much prefer ANTHEMS TO THE WELKIN AT DUSK.

But I love Ulver most of all.

Kodanshi, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I agree with pretty much everything ynf said, though I've been listening to much more death metal recently. I don't really care what damage these people cause Norweigan society, but if I lived next door to Varg maybe I wouldn't let him borrow any sugar. Was Graveland mentioned? Immortal? Marduk is my favorite.

Kris, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I talked at length about the nazi question in this week's LPTJ update; the upshot is I think it's irresponsible to buy albums by nazis, period. Steal 'em, get MP3's of 'em, whatever, but these guys don't deserve your money no matter how good their music is.

Of course, I talk a high line, but when it's a great black metal group like Horna, I start rationalizing right and left about how they're more misanthropic than just anti-Semitic, blah blah blah. But I do think it's an important question -- certainly bigger than "are they bad for Norway" because it's an ethical question, not a practical one.

Who to hear: Emperor's great, don't listen to the purists who think everything after Nightside is dull (it isn't); Immortal's pretty pure, their new one's real good; I hear a band called Clandestine Blaze is totally great but I suspect they're nazis so I haven't bought it. I don't know how much longer I can stand it though. These guys are supposed to be really great. The new wave of post-black-metal bands (Zyklon, Blood Red Throne, Cadaver Inc., Suspiria) are pretty good -- the Cadaver Inc. record is really savage and the website got them denounced by the Norweigan parliament. Finally there's a song by In Aeternum called "When the Vultures Left" that is surely one of black metal's finest moments.

John Darnielle, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Beware Alex in SF, ever since my Mayhem v. Burzum thread I have been getting occasional posts from Black Metal Nutter fans.

I am interested by Norwegian Black Metal without ever hearing any of it. I think the fact that a lot of the practitioners were/are seriously unpleasnt people - racists, homophobic, thuggishly violent - only adds to their mystique. Well, not the racism and homophobia, but the fact that they killed themselves, or each other, or complete strangers and burned down churches gives them an element of "We mean it, maaaan" that Marilyn Manson lacks. There is a sense that they are not just trend poseurs, but people actually living the dream. Unfortunately it's a rather rubbish dream.

DV, Saturday, 23 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Sorry, I thought this was a thread about Thin Lizzy.

Dave Beckhouse, Tuesday, 26 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

four years pass...
some records in the genre worth taking note of:

emperor - 'in the nightside eclipse', 'anthems to the welkin at dusk'
ulver - 'nattens madrigal'
borknagar - 'the olden domain'
satyricon - 'nemesis divina'
acturus - 'aspera hiem symfonia'
dissection - 'storm of the light's bane' (crossover)
abigor - 'channeling the quintessence of satan'

even check out the first cradle of filth record - 'the principles of evil made fesh'

Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 14:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

I am just starting to get into Satyricon. Not an Ulver fan.

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 14:44 (ten years ago) Permalink

which ulver have you heard roxy?

the recent sigh album is quite nice. i always liked arcturus's "sham mirrors" although it's been so long since i delved back into black metal. Anyone here enjoy some Vondur?

wogan lenin (dog latin), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 14:48 (ten years ago) Permalink

A Quick Fix of Melancholy
and is there one called Kveldssanger? if so, that one as well.

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 14:53 (ten years ago) Permalink

roxy, those aren't exemplary of ulver's black metal period. check out bergtatt, it's amazing.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 14:57 (ten years ago) Permalink

will do!

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 15:06 (ten years ago) Permalink

Is the more recent, more electronic Ulver stuff any good? I remember hearing one song and it sounded like some kind of weird idm. I've got a friend who swears by them, but I've never explored further, should I?

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 15:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

I keep meaning to pick up some arcturus since I read that the guy who does the soaring-singing bit on dimmu borgir's "progenies of the great apocalypse" is now their vocalist?

The last track on Immortal's "sons of northern darkness" album is just unbelievably great, one of the best pieces of rock music I have ever heard.

Thus ends my limited knowledge of black metal.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 15:20 (ten years ago) Permalink

"Is the more recent, more electronic Ulver stuff any good?"

yes! but i feel like i've talked about ulver on 50 different ilm threads and i can't do it again. i love them in all their forms.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 15:47 (ten years ago) Permalink

this is easier:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0319,seward,43848,22.html

( a little old, but what the hell. all their soundtrack stuff is really cool)

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 15:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

Heh, great opening line.

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 15:53 (ten years ago) Permalink

I have to say i'm surprised at Roxy's love for black metal!

Only BM i like is Weakling, Wolves In The Throne Room, Lurker Of Chalice and Dead Raven Choir.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 15:57 (ten years ago) Permalink

i think i kinda like almost every black metal album i have ever heard at least a little bit. shitty black metal to me is like shitty 60's garage rock. tons of fun!

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 16:02 (ten years ago) Permalink

Is the more recent, more electronic Ulver stuff any good?

yeeaahhh, it's alright. blood inside was more a prog album on an electronic base. the silencing the singing (think that's the title) collection is pretty cool - reminds me of the last couple of labradford albums and some of the better ambient stuff on mille plateaux. but none of it beats their black metal stuff IMO.

Only BM i like is Weakling, Wolves In The Throne Room, Lurker Of Chalice and Dead Raven Choir.

the "non-black metal black metal" stuff? yeah, they're all pretty good. you should start moving laterally, dude, check out some later burzum, hate forest/drudkh, manes, maybe satyricon's rebel extravaganza.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 16:05 (ten years ago) Permalink

shitty black metal to me is like shitty 60's garage rock. tons of fun!

haha, on the MONEY. necrofrost bloodfrost = the rats "the rats revenge part 1 and 2".

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 16:06 (ten years ago) Permalink

err, bloodstorm voktes over hytrungas dunkle necrotroner, even.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 16:10 (ten years ago) Permalink

heck out some later burzum, hate forest/drudkh, manes, maybe satyricon's rebel extravaganza.

unfortunately the political views of drudkh and Burzum means I just could never listen to their music. Don't know the other bands. I think the reason i can stomach those other bands is that the vocals arent the usual grunting stuff. It's almost Alex Newport like. To my ears anyway. The music is often fine not as technical as DM (which is probably why i dont even like DM music nevermind vocals)

Any BM bands that don't have neo nazi/Right wing etc political views and that the vocals are similar to the bands I mentioned that I like I may just check out though! So recommend away.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 16:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

New Carpathian Forest album is awesome.

adam (adam), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

I have to say i'm surprised at Roxy's love for black metal!


why?

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:25 (ten years ago) Permalink

Well i've never seen you mention it before for a start!
Whats next Ken C going to a Belle & Sebastian gig dressed as a member of Slipknot?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

I got this Ansur album, Axiom, it's pretty good. Reminds me of Anaal Naatrakh quite a bit. New Xasthur is brilliant as well. I'm a total sucker for his painsoaked vocals

rizzx (rizzx), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:24 (ten years ago) Permalink

"unfortunately the political views of drudkh and Burzum means I just could never listen to their music."

I completely fail to grasp that. It's not like it's evident in their work much if at all, even Burzum. I mean, don't support beating your wife and treating women like shit, but I ain't selling my James Brown records anytime soon. Or GG Allin. Or is there something patently offensive about Ukrainian history or Norwegian forests?

helmut was a krautrocker (helmut was a krautrocker), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

I don't know why. We've argued this point on msn many times..

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:55 (ten years ago) Permalink

Yeah, so? It still makes no sense to me!

helmut was a krautrocker (helmut was a krautrocker), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:58 (ten years ago) Permalink

finer points of argument lost on nekropenetrator

Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:15 (ten years ago) Permalink

Roxy, do check out Bergtatt by Ulver!

latebloomer scrabbly dabbly doo (skawreeng) (latebloomer), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 03:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

...and also nattens madrigal. one of the tightest, most electrifying sonic assaults known to man

Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 10:45 (ten years ago) Permalink

Nattens Madrigal is great. They used up all the money they got on other stuff than the actual recording. Judging by the quality.. I don't think it was that expensive.

Torgeir Hansen/MRZBW (MRZBW), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 11:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

a lot of the money was spent on elaborate photoshoots and fancy sunglasses

Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 11:20 (ten years ago) Permalink

i don't know about that. i've read that nattens madrigal was produced by one of the supersilent guys (helge sten/deathprod?) and that it was done that way deliberately.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 11:27 (ten years ago) Permalink

deliberately maybe, but i doubt that it was that expensive.

AND.. the string quartet version thingy of Nattens Madrigal is still ON!

Torgeir Hansen/MRZBW (MRZBW), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 12:06 (ten years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Who here likes Ildjarn? I like Ildjarn. Thanks.

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 24 January 2008 15:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

I just heard some Ildjarn at a party the other night. It was good.

The best black/death record I never hear anyone talk about is the first Necrophobic album The Nocturnal Silence. So classic and unheard in the US for some reason.

Nate Carson, Thursday, 24 January 2008 22:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

either old age or wisdom (depending on how you feel about the original position) got to me and now I buy whatever I want to listen to whether its politics are odious or not. guess it's time to catch up on grand belial's key.

J0hn D., Thursday, 24 January 2008 23:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

I don't really know which bands have right-wing politics and which don't TBH, apart from obviously Burzum. I know Varg was working with Darkthrone on some of their stuff, which I guess means they're probably dodgy and I've bought albums by them. It doesn't really affect whether I like the music but I would think twice about paying money directly to bands if I knew they were nazis/racists/etc. I usually buy black metal stuff second hand anyway which kind of circumvents that issue!

Some ILMers were into Bone Awl last year - the Ildjarn I was listening to yesterday is in that kind of vein - comp of early 90s EPs/demos etc called Det Frysende Nordariket, really good sloppy lo-fi stuff.

Colonel Poo, Friday, 25 January 2008 10:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

I just started listening to Black Metal and I'm a little concerned about which bands are nazis/far-right/whatever. Can someone elaborate a little about this or link me to articles that discuss this issue. As a non-white person it makes me quite uncomfortable if a band who's music I'm loving are fuckig nazis. What about bands like Darkthrone, Gorgoroth and Mayhem?

Lovelace, Thursday, 9 April 2009 22:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

The Wikipedia entry on National Socialist Black Metal is a good start. Otherwise I'd imagine you'd have to look up the histories of individual bands to see where their ideology lies. But it seems to me (not knowing too much about the scene/genre beyond the surface) that black metal ideology is more about nihilism and/or anti-humanity; there's really no room for racism or white supremacy when you want all humans eradicated equally.

MacDara, Friday, 10 April 2009 00:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

Darkthone is pretty safe iirc fwiw

HOOS talking about magic & spells & steen dude! (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 10 April 2009 00:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

Well there is all that controversy about Darkthrone using the word 'Aryan' on the back of one of their earliest albums -- but Nachtmystium putting out a record on a white power label (no matter how much they deny Nazi affiliations/sympathies today) seems much more suspect to me.

MacDara, Friday, 10 April 2009 00:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

Varg has a load of lyrical credits on Transilvanian Hunger (plus that whole Aryan Black Metal thing) which makes Darkthrone a bit dodgy.

Trouble is they totally rule.

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP TO (Colonel Poo), Friday, 10 April 2009 00:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

And I mean suspect insofar as that being on a white power label is somehow excusable if your band is 'apolitical' or whatever -- it's a philosophical issue, yes, but it's also one of intellectual dishonesty.

MacDara, Friday, 10 April 2009 00:30 (eight years ago) Permalink

xp I illegally downloaded it, actually (from M0rtuusInS0mn1s) - Arizmenda's Facebook had a link to the Bandcamp page but that appears to be gone and until I can pay for that or a physical copy... well, stealing it is.

Have you hugged your timeghoul today? (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 14 July 2016 02:31 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Find it odd how deeply Mortiis into all the typical black metal fantasy and dungeon music but it seems unlikely he'd ever return to that. Of course lots of people change interests but it's just difficult for me to imagine how you'd leave in some cases.

I do enjoy both periods of his work, though I've never totally loved any of his 3 albums I got. Still amuses me how un-kvlt it is in "Parasite God" when he goes "hmmm-mmm-hmmm-mmm baby"

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 27 August 2016 14:22 (ten months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Wedard (German, depressive black metal, http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Wedard/41641 ) is doing the crowdfunding thing for his next album:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/new-wedard-album-autumn-night-sky-music#/

StanM, Sunday, 9 October 2016 08:23 (nine months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWfcgGTKTLk

am0n, Monday, 10 October 2016 15:20 (nine months ago) Permalink

I'm currently obsessed with "Winter Howl" on the first Forest album. 20 minutes of meandering, clean guitars, sparse drums and distant, anguished vocals - not far off The Dead C's more plaintive moments. Can anyone identify other bands or songs that mine similar territory? Some of the weirder LLN stuff comes close, and maybe Circle of Ouroborus.

Yelploaf, Friday, 14 October 2016 17:08 (nine months ago) Permalink

Urfaust?

Siegbran, Friday, 14 October 2016 17:11 (nine months ago) Permalink

Haha, yes Urfaust is on the nose.

Yelploaf, Friday, 14 October 2016 17:14 (nine months ago) Permalink

Anyone else heard the new Darkthrone yet? Bit disappointed tbh. It sounds so 'clean', production wise. Made me put on Xasthur and Lurker of Chalice for ~trve black metal feels~

the tightening is plateauing (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 14 October 2016 20:00 (nine months ago) Permalink

I love Darkthrone's "production" lately. I wouldn't call it clean or dirty, it's just an honest plug-in-and-play sound.

punksishippies, Friday, 14 October 2016 22:41 (nine months ago) Permalink

I love the new Darkthrone, reaches back to Panzerfaust which is just fine with me. Still sounds dank enough to my ears.

I'm currently obsessed with "Winter Howl" on the first Forest album. 20 minutes of meandering, clean guitars, sparse drums and distant, anguished vocals

I'll have to think about it, but just wanted to say how much I love this track - used to play this on my radio show next to Krautrock, NZ noise, whatever, it's like ur-music.

Lawsonomy Domine (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 17 October 2016 04:50 (nine months ago) Permalink

Ay you know who doesn't get enough props? Carpathian Forest.

Lawsonomy Domine (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 21 October 2016 01:30 (nine months ago) Permalink

"used to play this on my radio show next to Krautrock, NZ noise, whatever, it's like ur-music."

I would love to hear your show! Is it archived anywhere? I made a playlist and drew a bath, hit the bong and sunk in. Dead C's "Outside" segued perfectly into "Winter Howl." I almost drowned.

Yelploaf, Monday, 24 October 2016 20:14 (nine months ago) Permalink

Sadly, no. Can't even find the playlists anymore. It's erased from history! But thanks!

Lawsonomy Domine (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 24 October 2016 20:29 (nine months ago) Permalink

I never got around to checking out anything in between Carpathian Forest's first and last releases, but I do love both Black Shining Leather and Fuck You All. They're the unhappiest black metal party band. I can never play "Every Day I Must Suffer" loudly enough -- that bluesy riff!

Devilock, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 19:27 (nine months ago) Permalink

meant to stick a "xxpost" in there

Devilock, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 19:27 (nine months ago) Permalink

I kinda wish they stayed "serious." Their first EP and about half the stuff on Black Shining Leather seemed to promise something a little more interesting than a jokey party band with leftover Celtic Frost riffs.

Nattefrost made a better black metal GG Allin than that attention whore from Shining, anyway

punksishippies, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 21:34 (nine months ago) Permalink

yeah, "The Swordsmen" and "The Northern Hemisphere" are pretty amazing. Never dipped into the Nattefrost drug soup though.

otoh, SHUT UP THERE'S NO EXCUSE TO LIIIIIIIIVE

Devilock, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 22:01 (nine months ago) Permalink

Carptathian Forest's "Journey Through the Cold Moors of Svarttjern" definitely fits in the vein of blackened, shrieky post-rock. Sounds like Royal Trux, Pink Reason, Bardo Pond etc.

Yelploaf, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 01:25 (nine months ago) Permalink

Has anyone here read WOLVES AMONG SHEEP: HISTORY AND IDEOLOGY OF NATIONAL SOCIALIST BLACK METAL?

Don't know why I have such a strong interest in NSBM. I certainly don't hold those views but I always love art from polarized stances.

Yelploaf, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 17:12 (eight months ago) Permalink

I always love art from polarized stances.

Please offer some non-Nazi examples of "art from polarized stances" that you love.

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 17:24 (eight months ago) Permalink

Tragedy Khadafi, Paris, Public Enemy, X Clan, Dead Prez... are a few on the rap side.

I'm currently listening to Jihadi Nasheeds which are quite beautiful and, problematically, the soundtrack to many violent ISIS videos.

Yelploaf, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 17:34 (eight months ago) Permalink

plus a bunch of noise/power electronics that celebrates sexual violence: Grunt, Whitehouse, Taint, Macronympha, Atrax Morgue.

Again, not an advocate in the least of these positions but I believe all is fair in art.

Yelploaf, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 17:39 (eight months ago) Permalink

also Bratmobile, Bikini Kill, Fifth Column, Mecca Normal, Kleenex,G.L.O.S.S., Huggy Bear.

Yelploaf, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

also Bratmobile, Bikini Kill, Fifth Column, Mecca Normal, Kleenex,G.L.O.S.S., Huggy Bear.

uh

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:21 (eight months ago) Permalink

i guess in particular what parallels do you draw between, for example, bikini kill and huggy bear and burzum?

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:23 (eight months ago) Permalink

Good question, and one that I feared I'd not answer well. Bikini Kill and Huggy Bear are overtly anti-patriarchy, pro-feminist (which I do support) while Burzum seemingly comes from a place of potent emotion that's hard to locate without knowledge of his views outside music. Bikini Kill's "Feels Blind" immediately states it's intent. Huggy Bear's "Dissthenic Penetration" is more oblique but equally direct, and any Burzum song about Nordic blood seeping into the forest floor is obviously more inscrutable. Still, I love them all.

Yelploaf, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

So...do you listen to music exclusively for philosophical reasons? Or do you ever just listen to music as sound that's been organized into patterns you find aesthetically pleasing?

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:39 (eight months ago) Permalink

I suppose the latter though I can't help but follow or read lyrics if they're in English.

Yelploaf, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

"potent emotion"

that's what they call it now?

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

I suppose the latter though I can't help but follow or read lyrics if they're in English.

OK, I'm the exact opposite - I go out of my way to ignore lyrics, and frequently prefer instrumental music or music with lyrics in a language I don't speak.

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:59 (eight months ago) Permalink

if you mean 'they' in the gender-neutral sense of me then yes, that's what they call it now.

Yelploaf, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:59 (eight months ago) Permalink

so, no one has read the book? no worries. i just bought it anyway. i'll quit muddying up the bm thread.

Yelploaf, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 19:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

upper mississippi sh@kedown, i believe you missed the question of

"Please offer some non-Nazi examples of "art from polarized stances" that you love."

the following posts of mine were in response. i didn't mention riot grrl shit from nowhere, or to draw a line to burzum.

Yelploaf, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 19:24 (eight months ago) Permalink

Would read that book, am not a Nazi.

Lawsonomy Domine (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 3 November 2016 05:33 (eight months ago) Permalink

Speaking of guys who are maybe too into Nietzsche, though, I have been enjoying Judas Iscariot's Distant In Solitary Night and it doesn't hurt that the last track is an ambient bit of bullshit that sounds like some slowed-down leftover from a Yahowa 13 album.

Lawsonomy Domine (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 3 November 2016 05:35 (eight months ago) Permalink

Shataan "Weigh of the Wolf" lp is incredible. Maybe too much clean singing for some but his bm growl is great. Plenty of flute, too. All the main BTC guys are involved.

Yelploaf, Thursday, 3 November 2016 18:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

Super-crude Luxembourgian occult black metal:

http://possessionproductions.bandcamp.com/album/lost-light-of-the-north

"Portal in the Woods" is the jam. Apparently these dudes have been around since 1996 and have the best black metal logo that could also be for a Wiccan candle company.

Lawsonomy Domine (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 13 November 2016 10:29 (eight months ago) Permalink

Would read that book, am not a Nazi.

― Lawsonomy Domine (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, November 3, 2016 1:33 AM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^

Wimmels, Sunday, 13 November 2016 13:52 (eight months ago) Permalink

for those that care, i'm 200 pages in and the book is great. not exactly a condemnation nor a celebration of the politics but i'd imagine that anyone that would write nearly 600 pages on a subject wouldn't feel a certain sympathy to the subject. thankfully the endorsements therein speak only to the music and all the major players are given a voice. better than anything i've read on nsbm.

Yelploaf, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 00:19 (eight months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

just discovered Judas Iscariot. wow

Dave Plaintive rapper with classical training (imago), Monday, 12 December 2016 23:15 (seven months ago) Permalink

Right? Thought he was down with Jesus then BOOM! right up there with the end of s1 of Game of Thrones imo

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 12 December 2016 23:17 (seven months ago) Permalink

That is funny HOWEVER xp check out Distant in Solitary Night if you haven't.

Also I picked up The True Werwolf reissue "Death Music" and gotta recommend it for fans of lo-fi, keyboard-accented orthodox black metal. It's the dude from Satanic Warmaster, so no surprise on the orthodox part.

rudy githyanki (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 12 December 2016 23:46 (seven months ago) Permalink

yeah I heard Heaven In Flames and it was amazing and then I started listening to track 2 of Distant In Solitary Night and it was maybe even better but then I had to do something else :( will return to it

Dave Plaintive rapper with classical training (imago), Monday, 12 December 2016 23:47 (seven months ago) Permalink

feels like this must be some of the best raw bm ever

Dave Plaintive rapper with classical training (imago), Monday, 12 December 2016 23:47 (seven months ago) Permalink

He's really good. I think he might've been overlooked because A) he's American and B) he quit black metal before it gained a slightly wider fame than it had in the 90s.

I just got this today, Greek band that has a surface black/death sound but the guitarist has some great, weird ideas that remind me of Ved Buens Ende or early Winterblut. Discordant but not DSO-style discordant, snaking, knotty riffs and some clever use of effects and editing for some almost musique concrete moments (see Tree of Gifts Pt. 1).

http://fpr666.bandcamp.com/album/kult-of-taurus-divination-labyrinths

rudy githyanki (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 04:29 (seven months ago) Permalink

whoa this is very strange! i like it

Dave Plaintive rapper with classical training (imago), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 12:53 (seven months ago) Permalink

Full on 1990s symphonic black metal stuff that offers little new but is still pretty exciting to my ears:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ihy_O22y3c

rudy githyanki (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 09:03 (seven months ago) Permalink

four months pass...

I mentioned Manes way upthread but whenever I listen to Under Ein Blodraud Maane I'm reminded of how good it is. There's something malevolent and weird about, great use of synthesizers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5rTB30BxlI

mutual interest in technology, the ocean & rap music (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 2 May 2017 09:47 (two months ago) Permalink

I guess "I'm reminded of how good it is" is like a dumb way to say "I'm reminded of how incredible it seemed back in the day and still does now" but it's late and I'm tired.

I think the demo versions of the songs from that album might be even better, seething and lo-fi, a fog of hiss and cheap keyboards debased into four-track madness. And there's still that kind of floaty, Thorns-esque sense of creepy melody.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EykBbqLmvw

mutual interest in technology, the ocean & rap music (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 2 May 2017 09:50 (two months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Through an unending burning fog of funeral tape hiss comes pure necro soundz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O-7kyIGJ1M

Puke and Other Poems (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 15 July 2017 07:01 (one week ago) Permalink


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