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Where to begin? General music folk seem to love Emperor, most metal fanatics seem to think their albums (after Nightside anyway) are ho hum. So what first, what next and what later?

Side note (Triumph of the Will question): Interesting question raised by the whole Norwegian Black Metal phenomena is how important is it that bands/artists/etc you like not be, well for lack of a better word, really really not nice? Clearly the violence these bands perpetuate(or participated in, in some extent) is no joke (quite beyond what most celebs other than OJ get in trouble for in this country anyway). . . Does or should this matter? Is music just music or do you feel any responsibility for supporting (if in no other way than financially) an artist who's viewpoint is antithetical to your own?

Alex in SF, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

i would go with burzum's "filosofem" and "hvis lyset tar oss" everytime as starters - not as 'intense' as emperor but full of beautiful, fuzz-obliterated melody and has some surprisingly articulate synth stuff (not those terrible tympani and orchestra stab thing most bm artists do). weaklings "dead as dreams" on tumult shows some burzum influence but cranks up the aggression and almost becomes black metal systems music - they also have at least one member of the fucking champs in the group, and they're not "REAL" black metal to some, i'm sure, but it's an amazing album.

also: enslaved (monumension, mardraum), satyricon (rebel extravaganza), nagelfar (virus west), negura bunget (romanian!), profanatica/havohej (total crap american black metal as noise), bathory, sigh, mistiggo vargoth darkestra, wind of the black mountains... i appreciate black metal as 'art' or whatever, but i also love buying the most crap looking 7" records i can find (thus wind of the black mountains).

i don't mind supporting artists like varg vikernes who have some frankly idiotic views but at least have developed a kind of philosophy that doesn't come straight from "mein kampf" or "the satanic bible"; i own records by current 93, paris, gg allin, and whitehouse and i don't know that i agree with any of them, but i appreciate the musical aspect of what they do. but if your political views hamper your ability to enjoy music, by all means, have someone burn you a copy.

this article is helpful, with regards to your original question.

your null fame, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Paging Mr. Darnielle and Kris. I think this one comes up every three months on a thread; we should establish its own separate category in the archives. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Varg killed Euronymous in a lover's tiff.

I love Emperor's latest album. i think people loved Nightside's instant accessibility. I much prefer ANTHEMS TO THE WELKIN AT DUSK.

But I love Ulver most of all.

Kodanshi, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I agree with pretty much everything ynf said, though I've been listening to much more death metal recently. I don't really care what damage these people cause Norweigan society, but if I lived next door to Varg maybe I wouldn't let him borrow any sugar. Was Graveland mentioned? Immortal? Marduk is my favorite.

Kris, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I talked at length about the nazi question in this week's LPTJ update; the upshot is I think it's irresponsible to buy albums by nazis, period. Steal 'em, get MP3's of 'em, whatever, but these guys don't deserve your money no matter how good their music is.

Of course, I talk a high line, but when it's a great black metal group like Horna, I start rationalizing right and left about how they're more misanthropic than just anti-Semitic, blah blah blah. But I do think it's an important question -- certainly bigger than "are they bad for Norway" because it's an ethical question, not a practical one.

Who to hear: Emperor's great, don't listen to the purists who think everything after Nightside is dull (it isn't); Immortal's pretty pure, their new one's real good; I hear a band called Clandestine Blaze is totally great but I suspect they're nazis so I haven't bought it. I don't know how much longer I can stand it though. These guys are supposed to be really great. The new wave of post-black-metal bands (Zyklon, Blood Red Throne, Cadaver Inc., Suspiria) are pretty good -- the Cadaver Inc. record is really savage and the website got them denounced by the Norweigan parliament. Finally there's a song by In Aeternum called "When the Vultures Left" that is surely one of black metal's finest moments.

John Darnielle, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Beware Alex in SF, ever since my Mayhem v. Burzum thread I have been getting occasional posts from Black Metal Nutter fans.

I am interested by Norwegian Black Metal without ever hearing any of it. I think the fact that a lot of the practitioners were/are seriously unpleasnt people - racists, homophobic, thuggishly violent - only adds to their mystique. Well, not the racism and homophobia, but the fact that they killed themselves, or each other, or complete strangers and burned down churches gives them an element of "We mean it, maaaan" that Marilyn Manson lacks. There is a sense that they are not just trend poseurs, but people actually living the dream. Unfortunately it's a rather rubbish dream.

DV, Saturday, 23 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry, I thought this was a thread about Thin Lizzy.

Dave Beckhouse, Tuesday, 26 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

four years pass...

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 13:50 (fourteen years ago) link

some records in the genre worth taking note of:

emperor - 'in the nightside eclipse', 'anthems to the welkin at dusk'
ulver - 'nattens madrigal'
borknagar - 'the olden domain'
satyricon - 'nemesis divina'
acturus - 'aspera hiem symfonia'
dissection - 'storm of the light's bane' (crossover)
abigor - 'channeling the quintessence of satan'

even check out the first cradle of filth record - 'the principles of evil made fesh'

Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 14:07 (fourteen years ago) link

I am just starting to get into Satyricon. Not an Ulver fan.

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 14:44 (fourteen years ago) link

which ulver have you heard roxy?

the recent sigh album is quite nice. i always liked arcturus's "sham mirrors" although it's been so long since i delved back into black metal. Anyone here enjoy some Vondur?

wogan lenin (dog latin), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 14:48 (fourteen years ago) link

A Quick Fix of Melancholy
and is there one called Kveldssanger? if so, that one as well.

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 14:53 (fourteen years ago) link

roxy, those aren't exemplary of ulver's black metal period. check out bergtatt, it's amazing.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 14:57 (fourteen years ago) link

will do!

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 15:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Is the more recent, more electronic Ulver stuff any good? I remember hearing one song and it sounded like some kind of weird idm. I've got a friend who swears by them, but I've never explored further, should I?

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 15:12 (fourteen years ago) link

I keep meaning to pick up some arcturus since I read that the guy who does the soaring-singing bit on dimmu borgir's "progenies of the great apocalypse" is now their vocalist?

The last track on Immortal's "sons of northern darkness" album is just unbelievably great, one of the best pieces of rock music I have ever heard.

Thus ends my limited knowledge of black metal.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 15:20 (fourteen years ago) link

"Is the more recent, more electronic Ulver stuff any good?"

yes! but i feel like i've talked about ulver on 50 different ilm threads and i can't do it again. i love them in all their forms.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 15:47 (fourteen years ago) link

this is easier:,seward,43848,22.html

( a little old, but what the hell. all their soundtrack stuff is really cool)

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 15:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Heh, great opening line.

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 15:53 (fourteen years ago) link

I have to say i'm surprised at Roxy's love for black metal!

Only BM i like is Weakling, Wolves In The Throne Room, Lurker Of Chalice and Dead Raven Choir.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 15:57 (fourteen years ago) link

i think i kinda like almost every black metal album i have ever heard at least a little bit. shitty black metal to me is like shitty 60's garage rock. tons of fun!

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 16:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Is the more recent, more electronic Ulver stuff any good?

yeeaahhh, it's alright. blood inside was more a prog album on an electronic base. the silencing the singing (think that's the title) collection is pretty cool - reminds me of the last couple of labradford albums and some of the better ambient stuff on mille plateaux. but none of it beats their black metal stuff IMO.

Only BM i like is Weakling, Wolves In The Throne Room, Lurker Of Chalice and Dead Raven Choir.

the "non-black metal black metal" stuff? yeah, they're all pretty good. you should start moving laterally, dude, check out some later burzum, hate forest/drudkh, manes, maybe satyricon's rebel extravaganza.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 16:05 (fourteen years ago) link

shitty black metal to me is like shitty 60's garage rock. tons of fun!

haha, on the MONEY. necrofrost bloodfrost = the rats "the rats revenge part 1 and 2".

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 16:06 (fourteen years ago) link

err, bloodstorm voktes over hytrungas dunkle necrotroner, even.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 16:10 (fourteen years ago) link

heck out some later burzum, hate forest/drudkh, manes, maybe satyricon's rebel extravaganza.

unfortunately the political views of drudkh and Burzum means I just could never listen to their music. Don't know the other bands. I think the reason i can stomach those other bands is that the vocals arent the usual grunting stuff. It's almost Alex Newport like. To my ears anyway. The music is often fine not as technical as DM (which is probably why i dont even like DM music nevermind vocals)

Any BM bands that don't have neo nazi/Right wing etc political views and that the vocals are similar to the bands I mentioned that I like I may just check out though! So recommend away.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 16:36 (fourteen years ago) link

New Carpathian Forest album is awesome.

adam (adam), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:07 (fourteen years ago) link

I have to say i'm surprised at Roxy's love for black metal!


RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:25 (fourteen years ago) link

Well i've never seen you mention it before for a start!
Whats next Ken C going to a Belle & Sebastian gig dressed as a member of Slipknot?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:50 (fourteen years ago) link

I got this Ansur album, Axiom, it's pretty good. Reminds me of Anaal Naatrakh quite a bit. New Xasthur is brilliant as well. I'm a total sucker for his painsoaked vocals

rizzx (rizzx), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:24 (fourteen years ago) link

"unfortunately the political views of drudkh and Burzum means I just could never listen to their music."

I completely fail to grasp that. It's not like it's evident in their work much if at all, even Burzum. I mean, don't support beating your wife and treating women like shit, but I ain't selling my James Brown records anytime soon. Or GG Allin. Or is there something patently offensive about Ukrainian history or Norwegian forests?

helmut was a krautrocker (helmut was a krautrocker), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:38 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't know why. We've argued this point on msn many times..

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, so? It still makes no sense to me!

helmut was a krautrocker (helmut was a krautrocker), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:58 (fourteen years ago) link

finer points of argument lost on nekropenetrator

Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Roxy, do check out Bergtatt by Ulver!

latebloomer scrabbly dabbly doo (skawreeng) (latebloomer), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 03:36 (fourteen years ago) link

...and also nattens madrigal. one of the tightest, most electrifying sonic assaults known to man

Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 10:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Nattens Madrigal is great. They used up all the money they got on other stuff than the actual recording. Judging by the quality.. I don't think it was that expensive.

Torgeir Hansen/MRZBW (MRZBW), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 11:07 (fourteen years ago) link

a lot of the money was spent on elaborate photoshoots and fancy sunglasses

Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 11:20 (fourteen years ago) link

i don't know about that. i've read that nattens madrigal was produced by one of the supersilent guys (helge sten/deathprod?) and that it was done that way deliberately.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 11:27 (fourteen years ago) link

deliberately maybe, but i doubt that it was that expensive.

AND.. the string quartet version thingy of Nattens Madrigal is still ON!

Torgeir Hansen/MRZBW (MRZBW), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 12:06 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Who here likes Ildjarn? I like Ildjarn. Thanks.

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 24 January 2008 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link

I just heard some Ildjarn at a party the other night. It was good.

The best black/death record I never hear anyone talk about is the first Necrophobic album The Nocturnal Silence. So classic and unheard in the US for some reason.

Nate Carson, Thursday, 24 January 2008 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link

either old age or wisdom (depending on how you feel about the original position) got to me and now I buy whatever I want to listen to whether its politics are odious or not. guess it's time to catch up on grand belial's key.

J0hn D., Thursday, 24 January 2008 23:24 (thirteen years ago) link

I don't really know which bands have right-wing politics and which don't TBH, apart from obviously Burzum. I know Varg was working with Darkthrone on some of their stuff, which I guess means they're probably dodgy and I've bought albums by them. It doesn't really affect whether I like the music but I would think twice about paying money directly to bands if I knew they were nazis/racists/etc. I usually buy black metal stuff second hand anyway which kind of circumvents that issue!

Some ILMers were into Bone Awl last year - the Ildjarn I was listening to yesterday is in that kind of vein - comp of early 90s EPs/demos etc called Det Frysende Nordariket, really good sloppy lo-fi stuff.

Colonel Poo, Friday, 25 January 2008 10:55 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

I just started listening to Black Metal and I'm a little concerned about which bands are nazis/far-right/whatever. Can someone elaborate a little about this or link me to articles that discuss this issue. As a non-white person it makes me quite uncomfortable if a band who's music I'm loving are fuckig nazis. What about bands like Darkthrone, Gorgoroth and Mayhem?

Lovelace, Thursday, 9 April 2009 22:51 (twelve years ago) link

The Wikipedia entry on National Socialist Black Metal is a good start. Otherwise I'd imagine you'd have to look up the histories of individual bands to see where their ideology lies. But it seems to me (not knowing too much about the scene/genre beyond the surface) that black metal ideology is more about nihilism and/or anti-humanity; there's really no room for racism or white supremacy when you want all humans eradicated equally.

MacDara, Friday, 10 April 2009 00:02 (twelve years ago) link

Darkthone is pretty safe iirc fwiw

Well there is all that controversy about Darkthrone using the word 'Aryan' on the back of one of their earliest albums -- but Nachtmystium putting out a record on a white power label (no matter how much they deny Nazi affiliations/sympathies today) seems much more suspect to me.

MacDara, Friday, 10 April 2009 00:25 (twelve years ago) link

Varg has a load of lyrical credits on Transilvanian Hunger (plus that whole Aryan Black Metal thing) which makes Darkthrone a bit dodgy.

Trouble is they totally rule.

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP TO (Colonel Poo), Friday, 10 April 2009 00:29 (twelve years ago) link

And I mean suspect insofar as that being on a white power label is somehow excusable if your band is 'apolitical' or whatever -- it's a philosophical issue, yes, but it's also one of intellectual dishonesty.

MacDara, Friday, 10 April 2009 00:30 (twelve years ago) link

He's really good. I think he might've been overlooked because A) he's American and B) he quit black metal before it gained a slightly wider fame than it had in the 90s.

I just got this today, Greek band that has a surface black/death sound but the guitarist has some great, weird ideas that remind me of Ved Buens Ende or early Winterblut. Discordant but not DSO-style discordant, snaking, knotty riffs and some clever use of effects and editing for some almost musique concrete moments (see Tree of Gifts Pt. 1).

rudy githyanki (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 04:29 (four years ago) link

whoa this is very strange! i like it

Dave Plaintive rapper with classical training (imago), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 12:53 (four years ago) link

Full on 1990s symphonic black metal stuff that offers little new but is still pretty exciting to my ears:

rudy githyanki (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 09:03 (four years ago) link

four months pass...

I mentioned Manes way upthread but whenever I listen to Under Ein Blodraud Maane I'm reminded of how good it is. There's something malevolent and weird about, great use of synthesizers.

I guess "I'm reminded of how good it is" is like a dumb way to say "I'm reminded of how incredible it seemed back in the day and still does now" but it's late and I'm tired.

I think the demo versions of the songs from that album might be even better, seething and lo-fi, a fog of hiss and cheap keyboards debased into four-track madness. And there's still that kind of floaty, Thorns-esque sense of creepy melody.

two months pass...

Through an unending burning fog of funeral tape hiss comes pure necro soundz

Puke and Other Poems (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 15 July 2017 07:01 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Think I prefer the "finished" version of that Manes track.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 18:05 (three years ago) link

I think that album has some of the best production of its era for, tbh, I just like the demos because I'm a tape hiss freak I guess.

The Man Who Saw The Midwife (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 3 August 2017 19:25 (three years ago) link

Here's one for the mi-go metal freaks

☑️ Inquisition-style vocals delivered at seemingly random intervals
☑️ Opaque song structures
☑️ Garden sprinkler drum machines

The Man Who Saw The Midwife (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 3 August 2017 19:36 (three years ago) link


ultros ultros-ghali, Thursday, 3 August 2017 19:49 (three years ago) link

Love the way the first track just STOPS

Not joking

ultros ultros-ghali, Thursday, 3 August 2017 19:50 (three years ago) link

Haha I know. I was driving around listening to it for the first time and that happened and I waited about ten seconds before checking my player to make sure it hadn't run out of power.

The Man Who Saw The Midwife (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 4 August 2017 07:23 (three years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Okay this is really good

It's got this weird blend of black metal and some Ved Buens Ende/Virus/Voivod proggy discordance that I *fucking love*. Their newer album is good, too, but the weirdness is much more subtle.

Wichita prepares for totality (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 09:29 (three years ago) link

four months pass...

That primitive, slightly shambolic occulty Demoncy style stuff is what I'm feeling right now

The Fortnightly Intruder (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 12 January 2018 10:40 (three years ago) link

nine months pass...

I'm thinking of going to an upcoming Negura Bunget show, but I only have the Om album and I didnt fully get into it even though it sounds totally like my sort of thing.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, January 28, 2014 8:04 PM

Really enjoyed Virstele Pamintului, wonderful approach to black metal. Drumming track is amazing. Might return to Om again soon and see if it clicks this time.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 2 November 2018 19:07 (two years ago) link

I quite like the final two as well, Tău and ZI, which descend further still into folk. But Dardeduh's Dor de duh is their best album post-split. They premiered a new song in August, so I really hope there's another one in the works.

pomenitul, Friday, 2 November 2018 19:17 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

so i've been involuntarily going through a classic bm phase and i'm not really what you'd call a passionate fan of classic bm, it's just all i've wanted to listen to the past few weeks??? idgi. anyway it's given me opportunity to listen to a lot of records i haven't revisited in at least ten years so:

de mysteriis: this record kicks ass and seems to justify the whole thing on its own, nothing sounds like it, if most black metal sounds like it's taking place against a frozen cliff this is emanating from the inside of a mausoleum, the riffs and drums all rule
emperor/hordanes land: this is also an amazing document containing like all the potential in the world, when you put on the enslaved side you're basically in a forest
in the nightside eclipse: sounds just as great and beguiling and cold as it did my freshman year of college
hvis lyset tar oss and filofsem: not sure why i revisited these other they were still on my computer and i was a little curious. i'm trying not to let "fuck this nazi dork" infect my opinion of the classic burzum records bc it feels like an extratextual dismissal, but honestly, fuck this nazi dork, this stuff is so flimsy and it's a shame these are the top two black metal records on rym (not that it could be any other way)
diabolical fullmoon mysticism / pure holocaust / battles of the north: i had never actually spent time with battles of the north before and wow that thing literally sounds like snow whipping at your shitty rotten overcoat, i love it even if pure holocaust has better tunes. diabolical fullmoon underrated and so charming, i really love the early records that haven't seemed to totally given themselves over to black metal yet so there are still traces of thrash and death hanging out being gnarly in the mix

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Saturday, 23 February 2019 15:24 (two years ago) link

what exactly makes you not a fan of classic bm? too samey/monochromatic?

Siegbran, Saturday, 23 February 2019 19:33 (two years ago) link

i've had a thing against black metal as a whole for years bc the seeming narrowness of its style drives me away from it, sometimes no matter how far out it gets it returns to that cycle of four-or-so tremolo'd-out chords wavering out of a cold blackness and it got very boring for me. i think maybe i'm unconsciously trying to challenge that assumption rn?

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Saturday, 23 February 2019 20:21 (two years ago) link

but also i say that and in the nightside eclipse was the first real metal record i ever got into, it's complicated

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Saturday, 23 February 2019 20:24 (two years ago) link

I thought you told me you had given up listening to metal

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Saturday, 23 February 2019 21:01 (two years ago) link

The BM band who cancelled a festival because Neckbeard Deathcamp was also playing and clearly then this festival wouldn't be a celebration of SATAN is hilarious and amazing.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 23 February 2019 21:03 (two years ago) link

Lol who was that?

Colonel Poo, Saturday, 23 February 2019 21:32 (two years ago) link

there is something so charming and singular about the first three immortal records, what a cool band they were and are

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Saturday, 23 February 2019 21:43 (two years ago) link

Which is more interesting -- the ironic band, of the one who goes all in and takes the whole thing totally seriously?
(i'm actually not sure, but respect all around)

enochroot, Monday, 25 February 2019 14:42 (two years ago) link

that is a true work of art, this is my favourite bit

To make matters even more absurd, I have since heard that this band are in fact Antifa trolls. I can’t speak to that rumor because I don’t know. What I do know is, whether they have a partisan agenda underlying their trolling or not, I was just not interested in flying halfway across the country, donning full ritual garb, lighting candles and incense and then attempting to convince an audience of strangers of the palpable presence of a terrifying spirit of cosmic evil indwelling the world, after waiting for the the fake-black-metal scene’s equivalent of Weird Al Yankovic to clear their rubber chickens off the stage.

Neil S, Monday, 25 February 2019 15:09 (two years ago) link

"full ritual garb" by which you mean some panstick and a monk's cowl you bought from the costume shop, right?

Neil S, Monday, 25 February 2019 15:11 (two years ago) link

everything to do with neckbeard deathcamp and nothing, surely, to do with the fact that not even fucking rym gives a shit about teratism

the scientology of mountains (rushomancy), Monday, 25 February 2019 15:24 (two years ago) link


pomenitul, Monday, 25 February 2019 16:15 (two years ago) link


darkthrone and ulver trilogies: never stopped listening to either of these bc darkthrone and ulver are two of the best bands ever. they're 1000 percent classic, the best of each being (imo) bertgatt and transilvanian hunger, under a funeral moon and nattens madrigal not far behind
dead as dreams: this album feels so vastly different from any '90s bm or any of the usbm that followed. it's like bolt thrower made a black metal record. i still love it every bit as much as i did ten years ago

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 19:21 (two years ago) link

I am unsurprisingly on Team Teratism here

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 19:55 (two years ago) link

Funny thing about Bergtatt, when it came out the first review I read in some zine gave it a 6/10, writing that the vocals were ok but the first track was a snooze inducing Burzum rip, the rest was unimaginatively cloned Darkthrone and Burzum riffs, and there was an inexplicable interlude that sounded like a guy eating a bowl of cereal.

Siegbran, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 20:44 (two years ago) link


jolene club remix (BradNelson), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 20:49 (two years ago) link

And the thing is, I can kind of see where he’s coming from. Even though this record is a clear 9/10 for me, Ulver were arguably derivative of Burzum and Darkthrone in terms of riffs/melodies, and that interlude does sound like someone eating dry corn flakes.

Siegbran, Wednesday, 27 February 2019 07:29 (two years ago) link

"Weird Al of black metal" is hugely overgenerous tbph

Terry Major-Ball Will Tell You (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 08:57 (two years ago) link

one month passes... - I'm not even a hardcore black metal fan but wow

StanM, Sunday, 31 March 2019 19:10 (two years ago) link

in English too

StanM, Sunday, 31 March 2019 19:10 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

just discovered Judas Iscariot. wow

― Dave Plaintive rapper with classical training (imago), Monday, December 12, 2016 6:15 PM bookmarkflaglink

Right? Thought he was down with Jesus then BOOM! right up there with the end of s1 of Game of Thrones imo

― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, December 12, 2016 6:17 PM bookmarkflaglink

Lady Antibody (Neanderthal), Monday, 27 July 2020 04:05 (eight months ago) link

eight months pass...

Black metal is a paradox. A noisy underground metal genre brimming with violence and virulence, it has captured the world’s imagination for its harsh yet flamboyant style and infamous history involving arson, blasphemy, and murder. Today black metal is nothing less than a cultural battleground between those who claim it for nationalist and racist ends, and those who say: Nazi black metal fvck off!

Black Metal Rainbows is a radical collection of writers, artists, activists, and visionaries, including Drew Daniel, Kim Kelly, Laina Dawes, Espi Kvlt, Hunter Hunt-Hendrix, Svein Egil Hatlevik, Eugene S. Robinson, Margaret Killjoy, and many more. Across essays and theory-fictions, artworks and comics, we say out loud: Long live black metal’s trve rainbow!

This unique volume envisions black metal as always already open, inclusive, and unlimited: a musical genre whose vital spirit of total antagonism rebels against the forces of political conservatism. Beyond its clichés of grimness, nihilism, reaction, and signature black/white corpse-paint sneer, black metal today is a vibrant and revolutionary paradigm. This book reveals its ludic, carnival worlds animated by spirits of joy and celebration, community and care, queerness and camp, LGBTQI+ identities and antifascist, antiracist, and left-wing politics, not to mention endless aesthetic experimentation and fabulousness. From the crypt to the cloud, Black Metal Rainbows unearths black metal’s sparkling core and illuminates its prismatic spectrum: deep within the black, far beyond grimness, and over a darkly glittering rainbow!


“This is a manifesto as much as a book: A grand declaration of war against those who would confine black metal to crude invocations of masculine, heteronormative nativism. Black Metal Rainbows is an untamed collection of art, memoir, essays, and interviews that explode black metal into an infinity of kaleidoscopic pieces. It celebrates the truly unruly, the revolutionary and the playful, and it refuses to turn its subversive gaze away from black metal itself. A not–so–subtle reproach to those who condemn ‘wokeness’ as a pacification of black metal’s vitality, Black Metal Rainbows demonstrates an awakening to black metal’s true destiny.”
—Keith Kahn–Harris, author of Extreme Metal: Music and Culture on the Edge

“Black metal is a fascinating genre—in part because of its complicated (and bloody) history but also because of the rigorous theory and deep thoughts buzzing around it. If you were to put together a perfect black metal book, one that captures that essential complexity while also providing historical and personal insights, it would be Black Metal Rainbows, a sprawling collection of essays, interviews, band and label profiles, and all kinds of art for both the true kvlt and the curious. It sets the new standard for how we should think about this music.
—Brandon Stosuy, The Creative Independent

“Finally black metal is delivered from the tedious edgelords who have long diluted the decidedly queer heart of the desire for darkness, death, and despair as an effulgent world of creative infinity. This volume offers myriad trajectories, via art, philosophy, action, and music that black metal has created, perhaps because of, perhaps in spite of, its embrace of all things tenebrous. This delicious book is a beacon of black light that shows the wonders which occur when the atrophied figure of the dominant human undergoes putrefaction and emerges from the crypt in glittering cerecloth. An absolute joy to read.”
—Patricia MacCormack, author of The Ahuman Manifesto

“This wide–ranging compendium pushes past the conventional and conservative to explore black metal as a site of contest and transformative possibility—an act which is itself actually transgressive.”
—Jes Skolnik, senior editor, Bandcamp Daily

“Despite being there in the moment during the ascent of the Venoms, the Bathorys, and the Hellhammers, I’ve tended to fidget warily from afar since black metal partly curdled into a mess of homogenized inhumanity. So, I welcome this collective liberating howl beyond the stereotypes of icy forests and puerile hatred. Bravo!”
—Barney Greenway, Napalm Death

About the Contributors

Daniel Lukes has written for metal and rock magazines Terrorizer, Kerrang!, Decibel, and Helvete: A Journal of Black Metal Theory. He has a PhD in comparative literature from New York University, and is the coauthor of Triptych: Three Studies of Manic Street Preachers’ The Holy Bible (Repeater Books). He lives in Montreal, where he likes to disappear into the winter.

Stanimir Panayotov holds a PhD in comparative gender studies from Central European University, Budapest. He works at the intersections of continental and feminist philosophy, non-philosophy, and late antique philosophy and has published in the Minnesota Review, Aspasia, Heathen Harvest, and Metal Music Studies. He is the editorial manager of Identities: Journal for Politics, Gender and Culture.

Jaci Raia is an all-black-wearing art director currently living and working in New York City. She works in advertising, and uses her free time to take on a variety of both freelance and personal projects to fulfill herself creatively. After design and typography, metal music is her second love, and she spends a lot of time seeing shows in town and collecting records, tapes, and band shirts, much to the detriment of her wallet.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 28 March 2021 19:03 (two weeks ago) link

ha, Barney's quote rules

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Sunday, 28 March 2021 19:58 (two weeks ago) link

Ahh man do i have to be on the same side as Hunter Hunt-Hendrix

Shaidar Logoff (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 29 March 2021 08:27 (two weeks ago) link

“Black metal is a fascinating genre—in part because of its complicated (and bloody) history but also because of the rigorous theory and deep thoughts buzzing around it.

I'm sorry but lmao at this

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 29 March 2021 14:02 (two weeks ago) link

I don't know anything about Hunt-Hendrix. Her wiki page seemed a bit steeped in philosophy (over sound?)

I happened upon this because I saw Espi Kvlt in a horror anthology table of contents and I hadn't seen anything about her in several years, she's done all this writing and music! I knew she wanted to be a writer though.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 29 March 2021 18:04 (two weeks ago) link

Ahh man do i have to be on the same side as Hunter Hunt-Hendrix

― Shaidar Logoff (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 29 March 2021 08:27 (nine hours ago) bookmarkflaglink


imago, Monday, 29 March 2021 18:32 (two weeks ago) link

just so long as i don't have to listen to his music

Shaidar Logoff (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 1 April 2021 10:11 (two weeks ago) link

Identifies as a woman now.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 1 April 2021 19:10 (two weeks ago) link

Legitimately did not know that, sorry.

Shaidar Logoff (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 1 April 2021 23:17 (two weeks ago) link

Thread needs this

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 2 April 2021 18:26 (one week ago) link

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