Why is Robert Pollard the most underrated songwritter ever?

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It seems that he is off the radar on a respect level...why?

dennis, Saturday, 8 October 2005 17:48 (twelve years ago) Permalink

haha, 300 posts by mid-day

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Saturday, 8 October 2005 17:49 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Maybe it will slip off the board unnoticed, it being Columbus Day Weekend.

k/l (Ken L), Saturday, 8 October 2005 17:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i call smug people of all stripes to this thread for a massive apocalyptic showdown

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 8 October 2005 17:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Is he underrated? They sold out every show, didn't they? And his fans are about as obsessive as they come. If anything I think his fans overrate him, and are guilty of thinking every Pollard throwaway is worth hearing. I like some of his songs, but I'm not convinced he's underrated.

TRG (TRG), Saturday, 8 October 2005 17:58 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I demand that only people who have listened to the entirety of this man's rich, rich discography attempt to deal with this question.

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 8 October 2005 17:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I like him as much as the next guy, even if the next guy is Shakey Mo but -underrated songwriter? He's about as underrated as Bob Dylan.

k/l (Ken L), Saturday, 8 October 2005 18:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Bob P is nowhere near as famous as Dylan

tgeagasg, Saturday, 8 October 2005 19:22 (twelve years ago) Permalink

and for good reason.

AaronK (AaronK), Saturday, 8 October 2005 19:31 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I really don't think ANYONE matches him in this VERY SPECIFIC REGARD

Sheer # of amazing amazing 60's-esque Melodies

He's the king of that.

fsgfq, Saturday, 8 October 2005 19:48 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Only nine answers so far on this strangely neglected topic?

k/l (Ken L), Saturday, 8 October 2005 19:53 (twelve years ago) Permalink

why is this the most underrated thread ever?

AaronK (AaronK), Saturday, 8 October 2005 19:54 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Why is the swelling of the corpse the first symptom of poisoning?

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Saturday, 8 October 2005 19:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

How did Encyclopedia Pollard know that Robotboy was lying?

k/l (Ken L), Saturday, 8 October 2005 20:01 (twelve years ago) Permalink

quantity vs. quality - discus

amon (eman), Saturday, 8 October 2005 20:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

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k/l (Ken L), Saturday, 8 October 2005 20:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I keep hoping Bob Pollard will turn into Gene Simmons. Or Prince. I still hope.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 8 October 2005 20:17 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Are You There, Cut-Out Witch? It's Me, Cheyenne

k/l (Ken L), Saturday, 8 October 2005 20:20 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Under The Bushes, Under The Stars. Oh, and that everyone loved Bee Thousand and hated Alien Lanes, despite the latter being much superior to the former.

js (honestengine), Saturday, 8 October 2005 20:25 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"Sheer # of amazing amazing 60's-esque Melodies:

Not one of which could have been a hit in the actual '60s

Never Mind, Saturday, 8 October 2005 21:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink

im sorry, can we change this to "why is robert pollard the most overrated songwriter ever?". then i could agree.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Saturday, 8 October 2005 21:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Fortunately though he is only overrated by people who like him

Never Mind, Saturday, 8 October 2005 21:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

most overrated beerdrinker?

amon (eman), Saturday, 8 October 2005 21:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I love GBV, I do, but it's awfully strange to call him...a songwriter. In a way.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 8 October 2005 22:00 (twelve years ago) Permalink

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k/l (Ken L), Saturday, 8 October 2005 22:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I suppose if you write a blue million songs a few are bound to end up OK. The obsessive GBV fans just don't want to admit that Pollard's music took a serious quality nose dive as soon as he quit the day job, dropped the guys who worked with him around Bee Thousand, picked up the guitarist from Cobra Verde and started the billion beer march to the sea.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Saturday, 8 October 2005 22:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Cause he's extremely mediocre? Just a wild guess.

Mai, Saturday, 8 October 2005 22:16 (twelve years ago) Permalink

But he has put out THOUSANDS of mediocre songs! That matters you know.

Never Mind, Saturday, 8 October 2005 22:20 (twelve years ago) Permalink

people like guided by voices because they're, like, totally GAY. they're so fucking gay they're, like, FAGGOTRONIC, MANNNNNN. holy fucking shit batman, i put a swearword in. i like real man-music that has a whole fully engorged penis attached.

-- drew (lichte_...), August 12th, 2004 12:19 AM.

amon (eman), Saturday, 8 October 2005 22:32 (twelve years ago) Permalink

gbv is fucking terrible. get one ear.

älänbänänä (alanbanana), Saturday, 8 October 2005 22:39 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The GBV best-of saved them for me. I tried to listen to a couple of his '90s albums and was overwhelmed by the filler (one was the Ocasek-produced album, even worse), but the best-of takes that one good song he can write every other album and makes him look brilliant.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Saturday, 8 October 2005 22:43 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Songwriters who have written fewer great songs than Bob Pollard:

1) Brian Wilson
2) Carole King/David Goffin
3) Lennon-McCartney
4) Holland-Dozier-Holland
5) Gene Clark
6) Marissa Marchant
6) Those other guys

Songwriters more unduly hated on by anti-rockist kneejerkers at ILM than Bob Pollard:

1) ????

Dr. Gene Scott (shinybeast), Saturday, 8 October 2005 22:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Bob Pollard has written a lot of great songs, no doubt, but he seems to lack the ability to edit himself.

A lot of his output (especially his solo output) ain't so hot because of the fact that he apparently thinks every 57 second half-idea he comes up with on the shitter is an awesome song, but this is not so.

People based their opinions of a songwriter on their entire output, and with Pollard, you have some great stuff lost in the brush of a lot of not-so-great stuff.

J. Alston, Sunday, 9 October 2005 02:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Being overly prolific is underrated. Not to mention that some of his 57 second half-ideas would actually make fantastic full length songs if he wanted to.

I don't get why people hold it against him that he's too prolific. And it makes it all the more absurd that people who think he only wrote a few good songs can explain it through that. As if he's like some monkey banging away at a typewriter who types long enough to eventually produce Shakespeare.

Funny this thread should come up since I hadn't listened to Bee Thousand in about five years. Then today I inexplicably got "Echos Myron" stuck in my head to the point where i had to pull out the LP and give it a listen again. Such a great song. Part of him being underrated as a songwriter is that he's actually a gifted lyricist yet people tend to discount his lyrics as abstract nonsense.

Jacobo Rock (jacobo rock), Sunday, 9 October 2005 06:37 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Yeah, "Echoes Myron," FUCK. And "Smothered In Hugs." He's underrated just on the basis of those two. If his success rate were only 10% (which it isn't), then he'd have written 50 great songs. FIFTY. That's about twice as many as Lieber-Stoller. Sheesh.

But hey, if you went to a show once and were skeeved by the very devoted, very male crowd, or if you went to the discography and found it inpenetrable and wanted an excuse not to be bothered, or need someone to blame for all the lo-fi or lazy collage art he inspired...he's an easy target.

Time will win out, though, as it since has for the once critically reviled likes of Wordsworth, Led Zeppelin and Peter Falk. Pollard will be the ne plus ultra of ILM saintdom in about the year 2023.

Dr. Gene Scott (shinybeast), Sunday, 9 October 2005 10:33 (twelve years ago) Permalink

If someone YSI's a "rough guide" mix of his best songs i promise to re-evaluate.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Sunday, 9 October 2005 10:39 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Songwriters who have written fewer great songs than Bob Pollard:
1) Brian Wilson
2) Carole King/David Goffin
3) Lennon-McCartney
4) Holland-Dozier-Holland
5) Gene Clark

You must be so. fucking. high.

Don King of the Mountain (noodle vague), Sunday, 9 October 2005 10:43 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Ah yes, it's a gossamer line between enlightened and so fucking high. But yeah, you're right I am.

Sean this is a project I would happily undertake...but would that require a separate up/download for each track, or is there a way to do it in one fell swoop?

Dr. Gene Scott (shinybeast), Sunday, 9 October 2005 10:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Dr. Gene, I don't think it's "anti-rockism" that explains why (for example) this thread quickly erupted with "OMG GBV SUX & R GAY." I think it's a general distaste for straight-no-chaser indie rock, which is what Pollard unapologetically makes/made; even his now-we've-got-a-budget records walk & talk like a big ol' indie duck. Hatin' on indie rock seems to have the same savor for a fair number of people as hatin' on rap does for some classic/or mainstream rock guys: there are a host of "OMG NO! NO! INDIE ROCK!" responses that're by now almost formulaic & can still get laffs & to be honest I don't really see anything wrong with that. But then again I am a big supporter of 1) formulae and 2) placing a good laff ahead of most anything else.

That said, I think Michael's remark - "it's awfully strange to call Pollard a songwriter" - is OTM, and speaks to the thread-question (which also loaded the dice against itself so badly that you couldn't really expect much reasoned dialogue, I figure). Pollard's got this sixties-pastiche thing going that seems to me, after a short time, rather more like something of a nervous tic or reflexive habit than compositional choice. Now, one might say: "who cares if the aesthetic is intentional or accidental?" but with something as referential/reverential as Pollard's '60s jones it seems fair to ask: what's he trying to do? "Write good songs" seems a disingenuous response, there's too much going on in 'em to think of them as just "here's what I came up with!"

Full disclosure, I can get into a GBV song when I hear one but have never really been able to bring myself to care much otherwise.

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Sunday, 9 October 2005 11:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I really don't think ANYONE matches him in this VERY SPECIFIC REGARD

Sheer # of amazing amazing 60's-esque Melodies

Greg Cartwright (Oblivians/Compulsive Gamblers/Reigning Sound) not only matches him but thoroughly beats him at it.

Vic Funk, Sunday, 9 October 2005 11:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink

But DOES Pollard make “straight-no-chaser” indie rock? There are a million bands from Archers of Loaf to Zumpano better described as such. A typical Pollard record is dense with chasers (Tonics and Twisted Chasers not least). He does Raspberries, sure, but also Van der Graaf Generator and Bad Company and Wire and Dadaist spoken-word, etc.

It seems if he’d presented his songs (they are songs!) in a single guise — a dozen albums produced by Jon Brion or whatever with I don’t know Ry fucking Cooder, he’d be getting enormous props around here. If anything, Pollard’s sin is probably so unabashedly loving rock music (!), which turns out to be just NOT COOL. A lot of people can’t stomach the references without the wink-wink or the angular haircut. But for Pollard the aesthetic is inextricable to “writing good songs.” He’s a naïf -- the leg kicks are no joke -- and when that sincerity touches some sing-along schmuck in a backwards cap it rubs people wrong, especially people who have slotted him “indie rock” (which, btw, he is CONSTANTLY apologizing for/denouncing…)

Dr. Gene Scott (shinybeast), Sunday, 9 October 2005 12:48 (twelve years ago) Permalink

If anything, Pollard’s sin is probably so unabashedly loving rock music (!), which turns out to be just NOT COOL.

This just isn't true - I had a huge paragraph arguing with it, but what would be the point? I think people have honest aesthetic reasons for disliking GBV, you've got this demonstrably false notion that Pollard isn't mega-famous because the sneering literati wanna keep him down or something. It doesn't matter, at any rate, whether he denounces indie rock; so does every other indie rock luminary, it goes with the territory!

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Sunday, 9 October 2005 13:03 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I mean, you seem to want to discuss this from the point of view of the zealot: "If you loved Pollard's work, then you'd understand" - which is never a very good starting place for getting questions answered.

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Sunday, 9 October 2005 13:04 (twelve years ago) Permalink

But wait — I didn't start this thread! The question already (perhaps wrongly) makes the assumption that Pollard is underrated. The question is "why." I'm answering that it's because of the indie/lo-fi baggage he's been saddled with (or stereotyped for). Also I think some of the naysayers (but not all), even people who love music, are embarrassed by such exuberant expression. That's hardly the zealot's stance.

Dr. Gene Scott (shinybeast), Sunday, 9 October 2005 14:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I wish the thread was titled "Why Isn't Robert Pollard More Famous?"* or "Why Isn't Robert Pollard an A-List Rock Star?"** Because god knows he's got one of the most devoted followings in rock, it's just not that huge in terms of absolute numbers (which is irrelevant to the "underrated" issue - Lou Reed was overrated before he sold his 5,000th record, I'm sure).

*,** The answer to both of these questions would, of course, be pretty simple: absurd productivity, unwillingness to leave Dayton, lack of a breakout "Float On"-like single, beer, the bad timing of the move to hi-fi production coinciding with a creative lull.

For the record, I thought "Teenage FBI" was going to be huge. The fact that this was not licensed to every teen-comedy soundtrack in 1999 is a spectacular marketing failure.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Sunday, 9 October 2005 14:22 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Actually, Pollard's sin is not liking rock music enough.

Never Mind, Sunday, 9 October 2005 15:17 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"people tend to discount his lyrics as abstract nonsense"

Because they are? If not, please prove otherwise.

Never Mind, Sunday, 9 October 2005 15:35 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Never Mind - It's pretty easy to prove. We can argue whether they are "good" or not (and I'd say they only work in the context of the songs rather than as 'poetry) but many of his songs - despite the odd imagery, metaphors, word choice, syntax, etc - are more direct than people give him credit for. "How's my drinking?" obviously comes to mind here. Can't get more direct than that. Or the opening of "tractor rape chain" - "Why is it every time I think about you/Something that you have said or implied makes me doubt you/Then I look into your cynical eyes and I know it/As if it never meant anything to me". As straight forward a sentiment as you can get.

Jacobo Rock (jacobo rock), Sunday, 9 October 2005 16:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

OTM. Even the more abstract lyrics are hardly "nonsense" — there is meaning to be derived just as there is from van Vliet or Dylan given one's perspective.

Dr. Gene Scott (shinybeast), Sunday, 9 October 2005 16:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

He is such a dick sometimes.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 June 2017 19:53 (ten months ago) Permalink

When did he say that?

Evan, Thursday, 22 June 2017 22:16 (ten months ago) Permalink

here you go http://ink19.com/2001/04/magazine/interviews/guided-by-voices-9

brimstead, Thursday, 22 June 2017 22:23 (ten months ago) Permalink

No chicks in the tree house! That’s what I told Kim Deal. We were touring with The Breeders, and Kim asked me, right after Last Splash, “Why don’t you let me play bass?” And I thought for sure she was just fucking with me, so I said no. And I probably would have let her, but then I told her that we have a policy that there are no females allowed in Guided By Voices. It’s like when you’re a kid and you have your tree house and there’s no girls allowed in it. Then she did an interview in some GIRL magazine and she called me over and she goes, “Explain your philosophy to her!” And I said, “No chicks in the fuckin’ tree house, OK?”

brimstead, Thursday, 22 June 2017 22:23 (ten months ago) Permalink

Doesn't make a lick of sense.

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 22 June 2017 22:29 (ten months ago) Permalink

Pollard is an A-1 dick, no doubt (he's flipped-off his audience more than Mr. Rotten), but his song-writing should not be a point of contention. That he hasn't collaborated with the finer sex should be prefaced with instances where other (male) songwriters have (worked with women) to some prolific extent.

Nick Cave (PJ)
F Mac (McVie, Nicks)
Barry Gibb (Babara)
VU (Nico, Moe)
Stephen Merchant (?)

...still not real abundance...

...in rock/pop, anyways...

...plenty of instances with country, jazz, blues, etc, with FAR more crossed-gender efforts, no?

But, yes, he hasn't work with females... did Rush, ZZ Top, Scott Walker, Gerry Rafferty, etc.....?

bodacious ignoramus, Thursday, 22 June 2017 22:57 (ten months ago) Permalink

men writing songs for women is super-common in rock/pop

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 June 2017 22:59 (ten months ago) Permalink

(which is not really what La Lechera was asking about but you brought it up...)

I took her point to be more that a guy whose led a successful indie rock band for decades with tons of line-up changes - ie who's worked with an inordinately large range of collaborators/backing musicians - has never involved a single woman (apart from Kim Deal), is pretty weird.

A good point of comparison is Mark E. Smith & the Fall.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 June 2017 23:02 (ten months ago) Permalink

ie a similarly prolific frontman with a constantly shifting lineup, who has not coincidentally worked with a bunch of women

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 June 2017 23:03 (ten months ago) Permalink

tbh I was wondering if LL was thinking of phoning Bob up to see if he needed a new drummer.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 June 2017 23:08 (ten months ago) Permalink

haha

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 June 2017 23:09 (ten months ago) Permalink

Only 2 women have been in The Fall? More?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 22 June 2017 23:14 (ten months ago) Permalink

wtf are you nuts: Lucy Rimmer, Brix Smith, Una Baines, Marcia Schofield, Julie Nagle, Karen Leatham, Elena Palou etc etc

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/76827472459c49a5671ae856e3ac397a.png

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 June 2017 23:16 (ten months ago) Permalink

Smith has consistently had women in the band his entire career

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 June 2017 23:17 (ten months ago) Permalink

how many of them was smith not in a relationship with

mookieproof, Thursday, 22 June 2017 23:22 (ten months ago) Permalink

a question about bob pollard: has he collaborated musically/creatively with any women who are not kim deal?

Why yes: Kelly Deal

sadlol

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 22 June 2017 23:27 (ten months ago) Permalink

Most of them afaict mookie. Brix and elena were exceptions. Not that it matters, seems irrelevant to me.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 June 2017 23:38 (ten months ago) Permalink

Indeed but Una and Kay Carroll, Julia Nagle were all in relationships with him. Kay Carroll was never in the band though.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 June 2017 23:43 (ten months ago) Permalink

wtf are you nuts

― Οὖτις, Friday, 23 June 2017 00:16

Sorry, I completely misread an earlier post

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 22 June 2017 23:48 (ten months ago) Permalink

But, yes, he hasn't work with females... did Rush.....?

― bodacious ignoramus, Thursday, June 22, 2017 3:57 PM (fifty-eight minutes ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMSFqXGZ5TQ

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 22 June 2017 23:57 (ten months ago) Permalink

Difference between Pollard and everyone elese mentioned, even Mark E Smith, is that he's collaborated with about 3000 other musicians. And a woman.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 June 2017 23:59 (ten months ago) Permalink

mist king urth is genius. the lowest fi prog masterpiece

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reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 23 June 2017 01:26 (ten months ago) Permalink

I took her point to be more that a guy whose led a successful indie rock band for decades with tons of line-up changes - ie who's worked with an inordinately large range of collaborators/backing musicians - has never involved a single woman (apart from Kim Deal), is pretty weird.

yeah this was basically it, and i was wondering what his problem is, but then i read that "no girls in the treehouse" shit and i remembered. i hate to say it, but what a stupid dick. if someone i knew said this, i would never talk to him again. of all the reasons i have to not like him anymore, this has parked itself at the top of the list.

tbh I was wondering if LL was thinking of phoning Bob up to see if he needed a new drummer.

― Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Thursday, June 22, 2017 6:08 PM (yesterday) Bookmark
there was a time, lol

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 23 June 2017 13:20 (ten months ago) Permalink

i would like to add that the interviewer in the "no chicks" interview linked above sucks too

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 23 June 2017 14:01 (ten months ago) Permalink

Rush - Time Stand Still -- is singing 3 words considered a collaboration?

bodacious ignoramus, Sunday, 25 June 2017 15:42 (ten months ago) Permalink

six months pass...

every time i think i can write the guy off, i remember how good some of his songs are and i feel like i'm back at square 1
this time i heard "secret star" after not-hearing it for years and i started bawling it was so good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZIi97N5sFM

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 22:02 (three months ago) Permalink

oh yeah, that is a good one ...
i have the same general experience — i rarely put on GBV or related projects these days, but I'll hear a song every now and then and remember that he's got like 75-100 incredible songs. Which is a lot!
anyone know anything about this? out in August.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41UtKVDiDEL.jpg

Closer You Are is the authorized biography of Robert Pollard and Guided by Voices. Author Matthew Cutter is a longtime friend of Pollard and, with Pollard's blessing, Cutter has set out to tell the whole, true story of Guided by Voices. This will be the first book to take an in-depth look at the man behind it all, with interviews conducted by the author with Pollard's friends, family, and bandmates, along with unfettered access to Pollard himself and his extensive archives, ephemera, and artwork, which many fans will no doubt recognize from the band's numerous album covers. A series of appendices will further illuminate Pollard's solo career, side projects, and art shows.

tylerw, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 22:06 (three months ago) Permalink

Whoa, ok that seems like a must read!

Completely understand LL's stance: guy's tumbled way into questionable territory, and there's heaps of bad stuff, but damn he wrote some fantastic songs. They pull me back in every time.

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 22:09 (three months ago) Permalink

just in time for my bday
i'll read it

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 22:10 (three months ago) Permalink

Wow I am all over this!

It's funny xpost I have such big love and respect for Bob's songs, to the extent that I never just drop into the catalog. It's been a couple years now and when I go in I go WAY in. I would put the number up above that 75-100.

Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 22:11 (three months ago) Permalink

yeah, the book sounds pretty promising ...
and yeah, when I wrote 75-100 I thought maybe that's low.

tylerw, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 22:11 (three months ago) Permalink

synchronicity — just saw this pollard-curated Roches mix posted on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/user/1247112455/playlist/6Zf8EZVGFPVeTDyQpS5SW6

tylerw, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 22:12 (three months ago) Permalink

That's....unexpected.

I guess it's easy to look at the sheer volume of it all and penalize him for hitting, say, .250.... But shit man 200 really good songs is 200 really good songs!

Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 22:20 (three months ago) Permalink

Author Matthew Cutter is a longtime friend of Pollard

This is not good though.

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 22:21 (three months ago) Permalink

Yeah not ideal but anyway I'm not reading for some kind of takedown

Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 22:25 (three months ago) Permalink

I am okay w hagiography if the subject is p much someone slogging it out on the margins

Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 22:29 (three months ago) Permalink

yeah i don't really mind, and it's not like bob is super mysterious

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 22:31 (three months ago) Permalink

Posted on the/a GBV thread, but they killed it here the night before New Year's. Three hour set! And then they did it again in NYE I guess.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 22:32 (three months ago) Permalink

Is Sprout still in band?

calstars, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 22:40 (three months ago) Permalink

They were indeed good at Empty Bottle! I was at that same show! No Sprout isn't in band - but that's ok Bobby Bare Jr is a nice foil for Doug Gillard and the band all around smokes. Kevin March is an excellent drummer for them!

BlackIronPrison, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 22:51 (three months ago) Permalink

Yeah not ideal but anyway I'm not reading for some kind of takedown

Did you read Jim Greer's book on GBV? All those tedious tales of Bob and his boring boozing buddies yukking it up down in Bob's basement? I'm not expecting a takedown but, if you're going to write a book on Pollard, a little distance would be preferable because the guy seems to have surrounded himself with boosters and cheerleaders and enablers - no women though, of course.

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 22:54 (three months ago) Permalink

Ugh Doug Gillard sucks

calstars, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 23:00 (three months ago) Permalink

I guess he’s the best steady Bob could get
But damn he’s got no soul man

calstars, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 23:01 (three months ago) Permalink

This is a Bob thread, I get it, but he shouldn’t be advertising GBV without his club dudes

calstars, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 23:03 (three months ago) Permalink

Yes, I think he's a good foil but I don't really like his guitar playing.

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 23:04 (three months ago) Permalink

It’s too exact

calstars, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 23:05 (three months ago) Permalink

too orthodox

i not only read the jim greer book, but attended a book tour event, which was my first (and only) time meeting bob p

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 23:50 (three months ago) Permalink

I read the Greer book, it was whatever. I'm definitely not interested in an analysis of why there are no women in the band. I would be very up for nerding out on his process (beyond Rolling Rock), song germination, takes on his peers and other musicians/artists etc.

Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 11 January 2018 00:10 (three months ago) Permalink

I appreciate Gillard for his versatility. He never sounds like he's really bleeding for it like Mitch Mitchell did, but there's a lot of mid- and later-period Pollard stuff that calls for greater range

Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 11 January 2018 00:12 (three months ago) Permalink


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