TS: ivor cutler's "women of the world" vs jim o'rourke's cover thereof

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normally, i take everything JO'R does with a big grain of salt, but his cover of this IC song is totally beautiful. i cant decide yet which i like better, but JO'R certainly doesnt butcher it.

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petesmith (plsmith), Friday, 7 October 2005 17:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Ooh, I've never heard the original! Thanks Pete!

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 7 October 2005 17:36 (fourteen years ago) link

its awesome, right? im torn.

petesmith (plsmith), Friday, 7 October 2005 17:38 (fourteen years ago) link

Andy Battaglia: What about Eureka’s first track? That’s a loaded line you’re singing there ["Women of the world, take over. If you don’t the world will come to an end, and it won’t take long"]. And the repetition works both to drive home the meaning and, by the end, just make the line an abstraction, just a wash of sound.

Jim O’Rourke: Well, I appreciate that. I feel like someone’s finally listened to the record. There are two things about that song: one I knew beforehand and the other I didn’t figure out until recently. I’m really into songs like "Slowride" by Foghat. What’s interesting about that song – and it only works because of its length – is that through the constant reiteration of the words "slow ride" the words go from its obvious sexual connotation to just absolutely nothing. Because it’s being reiterated so much it just becomes another instrument. But when you take it over the long haul like that, what happens is the song actually starts singing about itself. It’s actually confirming its own existence in its own time. And because it’s such a banal statement – "slow ride, take it easy" – it works that way. So I thought it would be interesting to do that with a statement that was so loaded that it would actually resist that. Saying "women of the world take over" isn’t exactly banal. So it interested me what would happen if I reiterated this perplexing statement over and over again like that. Hopefully there would be this conflict between its desire to become this kind of mantra and something you don’t hear anymore.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 7 October 2005 17:40 (fourteen years ago) link

Actually, that whole interview is pretty fascinating.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 7 October 2005 17:41 (fourteen years ago) link

he makes it sound like he wrote the song! i mean, he did semi-radically reinterpret it, but cmon.

petesmith (plsmith), Friday, 7 October 2005 17:43 (fourteen years ago) link

JOR's is good, you're right, but nothing will ever touch Cutler's - Linda Hirst only helps things.

TRG (TRG), Friday, 7 October 2005 17:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Hmmm, I only heard the Cutler version just now, but I think I like O'Rourke's version better. Probably just because I like all of the orchestration, and the fact that it goes on for SO LONG.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 7 October 2005 17:45 (fourteen years ago) link

He should listen to house.

(nb - I love his cover)

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 7 October 2005 17:47 (fourteen years ago) link

petesmith OTM. that's bizarre.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 7 October 2005 17:53 (fourteen years ago) link

[willful misinterpretation]not THAT bizarre![/wm]

petesmith (plsmith), Friday, 7 October 2005 17:56 (fourteen years ago) link

haha. indeed not.

ok, i'm just listening to the O'Rourke for the first time and Ivor wins this hands down. i usually like JimO and i've never had a problem with his voice but the vocal on this is pretty awful.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 7 October 2005 18:00 (fourteen years ago) link

i really enjoyed the last 2 minutes of it, however. yeah it's good.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 7 October 2005 18:04 (fourteen years ago) link

whoa, really??

i disagree a lot. theyre some of the least-affected vocals i can think of. not that i have any problem with strongly-affected vox, but i have a soft spot for plain plain plain "normal person trying to sing prettily" vocals. agh im gay.

petesmith (plsmith), Friday, 7 October 2005 18:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Listening to Cutler's you can see why J'OR was so attracted to it. It is one of those songs, at least for me, where I have to stop whatever I'm doing when it's on.

TRG (TRG), Friday, 7 October 2005 18:07 (fourteen years ago) link

Cutler's version is easily one of my top 10 favorite songs ever, but I've always found it funny that it came out ('84, I think) after Thatcher was in office. I assume that she's not the sort Hirst and Cutler had in mind.

TRG (TRG), Friday, 7 October 2005 18:14 (fourteen years ago) link

i don't think he pays much attention to current affairs. he probably didn't know about Thatcher.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 7 October 2005 18:20 (fourteen years ago) link

Ha! Maybe you're right, that's most politically-minded song of his that I can think of. But he is a friend of Robert Wyatt's - hard to think you could be Wyatt's friend w/o having a little knowledge of politics.

TRG (TRG), Friday, 7 October 2005 18:26 (fourteen years ago) link

i was JUST going to say that, TRG! except i was gonna call him "ol' pinko wyatt." it was gonna be funny, no doubt.

petesmith (plsmith), Friday, 7 October 2005 18:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Apparently Cutler once asked Wyatt, with some concern, whether he was still a communist. You are what you are, Wyatt replied.

I love this, it's from Cutler's website:

Ivor is a member of the Noise Abatement Society and the Voluntary Euthanasia Society. He remarked once when asked if he was a member of the Noise Abatement Society "Yes, for years and years, it makes my life a great misery, noises. I always carry earplugs with me" and "The thing that drives me nuts is a lot of the fans that I have - because of Peel, I think, or because of the taste of the day - are people who go home and play very loud music in their homes, and they go in their motor cars playing very loud music with the windows open. Then they come to my gigs and I play as quiet as I can get away with because that's how I want to communicate it. I think, "I ought not to let these people in if they play loud music." Maybe I should stand at the door and you have to fill in a questionnaire before you can hear me."

TRG (TRG), Friday, 7 October 2005 18:33 (fourteen years ago) link

It was hilariously meta to see him and his circa-"halfway to a threeway" three-piece band live, 'cuz a few people were so into it that they couldn't help but half-belt/half-mumble out the line with him for the however-many-minutes stretch, but of course all those people were guys. (S to the hocka.)

Craig Dunsmuir (Craig D.), Friday, 7 October 2005 18:35 (fourteen years ago) link

five months pass...
Ah, another thread to revive in tribute.

(last one, promise)

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 09:32 (fourteen years ago) link

Maybe you're right, that's most politically-minded song of his that I can think of. But he is a friend of Robert Wyatt's - hard to think you could be Wyatt's friend w/o having a little knowledge of politics.

I think you'll find Ivor was a left winger himself

Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 10:16 (fourteen years ago) link


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