New Gold Dream (81-82-83-84)

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I bought a Simple Minds CD the other day, the Sons And Fascination one - a couple of fine moments but it lacks the lustre of this album. What does anyone think of NGD now - it has that sense of the epic that a lot of new-wavers ended up striving for (most successfully in a $$$ sense U2) but still manages to sound original and, hmm, pretentious rather than pompous maybe? And what else sounds like it?

Tom, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

There have been times also when I've put it on and thought "This is complete bullshit" so I'm not 100% convinced myself.

Tom, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

NGD is actually the Simple Minds album I listen to the most -- cool, almost fragile, and yet so rich and big and massive at the same time, an amazing balance in the end. And the way it begins with the opening of "Someone Somewhere in Summertime" -- oh man. From that to "Alive and Kicking," which turns jaw-dropping drama into rampaging overwrought crap, what the hell.

What else sounds like it? Friend Karen wisely noted a couple of Radiohead instrumentals circa 1997 could easily slot alongside Simple Minds' own slew of instrumentals, but then again that's an obvious point, perhaps. As is the Utah Saints cover (I'd love to hear the live version of "NGD" itself done with Andrew Eldritch...)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I bloody LOVE New Gold Dream - despite the fact that everyone always leaves the room whenever I put it on.

Until recently, having never summoned up the courage to purchase any other Simple Minds records, I was under the impression that NGD was a happy accident. MP3s of I Travel, Changeling and Sweat in Bullet have, to some extent, dispelled this.

To my mind, they even challenge The Shamen for the title of 'worst career decline by a Scottish band'.

Zanny Gognet, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

What does it sound like? Tough one, the only thing I can think of is some mid-period Cars ("Dream Away"). NGD is fine, but I also like 'Sparkle in the Rain', which other people find RILLY problematic

dave q, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Empires and Dance is my fave of theirs, but yeh -- occasionally I have a sweet spot for SM in ooberpomp form.

Andy K, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

It's the only Simple Minds record I (still) have. And it's on yummy gold vinyl.

Sean, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

"Sulk" was spring/summer, "New Gold Dream" summer/autumn, "A Kiss In The Dreamhouse" winter.

1982.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I was a huge fan of Simple Minds from age 11 - 14. I've long since got rid of all of my SM stuff.

I still find I Travel and The American bearable.

I heard 'Someone, Somewhere, in summertime' playing recently when i popped into the offie to by fags - took me right back to the early 80s

leigh, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

which one is don't you forget about me on?

ethan, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Originally that was on the Breakfast Club soundtrack. Also appears on their greatest hits comp Glittering Prize.

Sean Carruthers, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Ned, which of these instrumentals supposedly sound like Radiohead?

Melissa W, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

On NGD? Most of them. ;-) "Somebody Up There Likes You" in particular sounds like the dry run for "Meeting in the Aisle."

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Very little sounds like NGD. Simple Minds at their peak, balancing a rich feel for melody with that bold epic sound just before it began to degenerate into empty bombast. That said I question whether the leap from NGD to Sparkle was as huge as most people seem to think ( i agree with dave q - never thought i'd write that- i don't find Sparkle in the Rain all that objectionable). Sure Peter Walsh's production is far subtler than Steve Lillywhite's but 'Summertime' and 'Miracle' wouldn't sound out of place there.

stevo, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

utterly fantastic pristine production - used to listen to this and sylvian's 'brilliant trees' back to back.

a-33, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Which one has got Herbie Hancock on it? That's the one...

Andrew L, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

"Hunter and the Hunted"? wait, look - same initials!

Paul, Saturday, 23 February 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Have to say that I love NGD and have a soft spot for SITR too, but have never really seen fit to go and investigate any further into their older back catalogue for some reason. Of course, it all went horribly wrong after the world took "Don't you forget about me" to its collective heart, but NGD is a special record and I think everyone seemed to recognise it at the time. It's all about the sound qualities involved, the timbres and the way the guitar isn't used as a rhythm device, but more for texture over the lush keyboards. Of course, they could never recapture it, but for one moment in the early 80s, Simple Minds really were it. Faves? "Hunted and the hunted" for Herbie Hancock's lovely electric piano solo (how DID he end up on it?) and "Somebody up there likes you", heard for the first time on the Gary Davies show on Radio 1 one late night in '83, and adored ever since. It doesn't NEED words, it's just fine as it is.

Rob M, Sunday, 24 February 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

five years pass...

COLOURS FLY AND CATHERINE WHEEL

Bimble, Saturday, 9 June 2007 08:07 (fifteen years ago) link

Awesome album. Have flogged it to death on many an occasion.

Trayce, Saturday, 9 June 2007 08:12 (fifteen years ago) link

I remember it playing in a car with friends driving for an hour to the next, bigger town. That is the shit.

Bimble, Saturday, 9 June 2007 08:14 (fifteen years ago) link

I was given it on vinyl by mum when I was about 16. Bless her. She did well.

Trayce, Saturday, 9 June 2007 08:27 (fifteen years ago) link

the colored vinyl version is beautiful, a transparent gold shot through with streaks of purple. that's kind of what it sounds like, too.

f. hazel, Saturday, 9 June 2007 10:00 (fifteen years ago) link

You lucky bastard!

Bimble, Saturday, 9 June 2007 16:16 (fifteen years ago) link

Wait-- produced by Peter Walsh, Scott Walker's producer from Climate Of Hunter on?

*checks discogs*

Hmm, he also did part of Penhouse and Pavement and all of Heyday!

Jon Lewis, Saturday, 9 June 2007 17:08 (fifteen years ago) link

I love this album.

Curt1s Stephens, Saturday, 9 June 2007 17:32 (fifteen years ago) link

i still have this, but mostly as an aesthetic object, love that gold vinyl (the music isn't bad, actually i downloaded a few tunes from this a while back)

gershy, Saturday, 9 June 2007 17:41 (fifteen years ago) link

the colored vinyl isn't hard to get! there's a bunch of them for sale on ebay for less than $10.

f. hazel, Saturday, 9 June 2007 20:38 (fifteen years ago) link

But is the sound quality worse as a result of all that?

Bimble, Saturday, 9 June 2007 21:09 (fifteen years ago) link

don't you already have it on CD?

f. hazel, Saturday, 9 June 2007 21:24 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

man i was quick to value the 90's over the 80's

Young Chizzy (country matters), Thursday, 16 April 2009 02:07 (thirteen years ago) link

Ha! So do you like this, LJ? Do tell! I gave this CD to my friend to try out, he's not had a chance to get to it, but he really wants to.

Take The Gothheads Bowling (Bimble), Thursday, 16 April 2009 06:05 (thirteen years ago) link

man i was quick to value the 90's over the 80's

Ah the folly of yoot.

one art, please (Trayce), Thursday, 16 April 2009 06:28 (thirteen years ago) link

The title-track is the sort of propulsive pop joyride that can and will haunt my imagination for days...

I want to live that song, if that makes sense.

Young Chizzy (country matters), Thursday, 16 April 2009 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link

"King Is White & In The Crowd" = Overlooked 80s Art-Rock Classic

Tim F, Thursday, 16 April 2009 23:33 (thirteen years ago) link

this is one of the most perfect albums ever; probably in my top 5.. i seem to appreciate it more and more as each year goes by. such immaculate production, not a single dud track, the lovely herbie hancock solo.. it's also perfect listening for stormy days indoors or sunny days cruising down the coat

listen to it...put yourself in los angeles (winston), Thursday, 16 April 2009 23:54 (thirteen years ago) link

coat = coast

listen to it...put yourself in los angeles (winston), Thursday, 16 April 2009 23:59 (thirteen years ago) link

lol

Young Chizzy (country matters), Thursday, 16 April 2009 23:59 (thirteen years ago) link

I'll get me coast.

one art, please (Trayce), Friday, 17 April 2009 00:17 (thirteen years ago) link

"King Is White & In The Crowd" = Overlooked 80s Art-Rock Classic

Oh yeah, this song is probably the dopest thing on this record. I just played a bootleg live version of this other day. Now, what the hell was this about a Herbie Hancock solo????

Earl of Gothington Manor (Bimble), Friday, 17 April 2009 00:32 (thirteen years ago) link

'hypnotised' from 1995 is an under-rated classic imo

Michael B, Friday, 17 April 2009 00:47 (thirteen years ago) link

xp hancock is credited with "keyboards" on "hunter and the hunted", i assume his part is the swirly rhodes-type solo 2/3rd the way through or so?

listen to it...put yourself in los angeles (winston), Friday, 17 April 2009 20:47 (thirteen years ago) link

This album is magical.

Spencer Chow, Friday, 17 April 2009 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link

kinda sad how kerr looks all slim and cute in the videos for this record but by the time you get to "alive & kicking" he looks like a bloated retard, like the falling off of the music was matched by his physical decline

velko, Friday, 17 April 2009 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link

Like you'd waste your time writing pop songs if you had just married Chrissie Hynde.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 17 April 2009 21:20 (thirteen years ago) link

you'd think she make him eat healthier tho

velko, Friday, 17 April 2009 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link

all they did in 1984 was have sex and eat cakes.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 17 April 2009 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link

the orwellian nightmare

Young Chizzy (country matters), Friday, 17 April 2009 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link

Brave New Gold Dream

Young Chizzy (country matters), Friday, 17 April 2009 22:44 (thirteen years ago) link

Clearly he wasn't the dominant half if he spent exactly half of his waking life engaged in coitus and still wound up lumpen

Young Chizzy (country matters), Friday, 17 April 2009 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link

It doesn't burn as many calories as you think!

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 17 April 2009 22:53 (thirteen years ago) link

My nude goal dream, shattered ;_;

Young Chizzy (country matters), Friday, 17 April 2009 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link

If you like this, you can get alternate (and great) versions of some of the songs on the "Themes 2" compilation of 12"s, so for example the German 12" of New Gold Dream, which has the "bitter end" lyrics like the live in the city of shite version, as well as Soundtrack for every heaven, which was an outtake. There's a vocals version of that (called "In every heaven", I think) that's on a DVD version of the album.

Keith, Friday, 17 April 2009 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, and it's on Spotify.

Keith, Friday, 17 April 2009 22:57 (thirteen years ago) link

The price of that Themes box set needs to lose about 75 pounds before it will become attractive to me.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 17 April 2009 23:11 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah they could have NOT split them into five 15-20 minute EPs and made it easy on all of us

listen to it...put yourself in los angeles (winston), Friday, 17 April 2009 23:20 (thirteen years ago) link

see also: that fucking bjork box set from '02 or '03

listen to it...put yourself in los angeles (winston), Friday, 17 April 2009 23:21 (thirteen years ago) link

Cost me about 16 quid for the two useful ones.

Keith, Friday, 17 April 2009 23:39 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

COLOURS FLY AND CATHERINE WHEEL

― Bimble

^^^otm

buzza, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 09:32 (eleven years ago) link

three years pass...

~*~~~ everything is possible!~~~~~~~~

nothing a reincarnated ronnie james dio couldn't fix (brimstead), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 22:33 (eight years ago) link

EIGHDY ONE! EIGHDY TWO! EIGHDY THREE! EIGHDY FOWWWHHHH!

Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Thursday, 6 February 2014 10:33 (eight years ago) link

ha i listened to the utah saints version of this the other day

nathey, Thursday, 6 February 2014 10:37 (eight years ago) link

I have to confess, while I do get a lot out of New Gold Dream, I vastly prefer the three albums that came before it (assuming that people treat Sons & Fascination and Sister Feelings Call as one thing).

Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Thursday, 6 February 2014 11:00 (eight years ago) link

ha i listened to the utah saints version of this the other day

― nathey

DREAMIN A DREAM OF EWWW DREAMIN A DREAM

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 February 2014 12:46 (eight years ago) link

two years pass...

BOX

http://www.simpleminds.com/2016/05/19/new-gold-dream-box-set/

brimstead, Saturday, 30 July 2016 18:50 (six years ago) link

Got the box! (uh, thanks tanking pound!). Pretty much confirmed to myself how much I love this album.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 11 August 2016 08:14 (six years ago) link

they're doing one for Sparkle in the Rain too, huh?

erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 11 August 2016 14:33 (six years ago) link

how's the mastering? is it brickwalled?

erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 11 August 2016 14:33 (six years ago) link

they're doing one for Sparkle in the Rain too, huh?

They did one - http://simplemindsshop.com/SPARKLE-IN-THE-RAIN-5-CD-Boxset.html

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 11 August 2016 16:04 (six years ago) link

it's all on Spotify too, nice

erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 11 August 2016 21:15 (six years ago) link

six years pass...

40 years old today!

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 13 September 2022 20:18 (two weeks ago) link

They really were untouchable between 1980 and 1984. One of the best album runs ever

beamish13, Wednesday, 14 September 2022 18:50 (two weeks ago) link

They really were untouchable between 1980 and 1984. One of the best album runs ever

beamish13, Wednesday, 14 September 2022 18:50 (two weeks ago) link

Surprised to see I've never posted on this thread, this album was my introduction to Simple Minds, I remember buying the purple-flecked gold vinyl of it after hearing "Promised You a Miracle" and "Someone Somewhere" on my local college radio. This and Sparkle in the Rain are the two essential albums of theirs for me.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 14 September 2022 22:46 (two weeks ago) link

The title track is the greatest song ever produced.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 September 2022 22:55 (two weeks ago) link

The 12"s of the title track and Someone Somewhere are definitely better than the album versions but yes amazing record

you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 14 September 2022 23:11 (two weeks ago) link

incredible, eternal album, alfred otm re:title track.

brimstead, Wednesday, 14 September 2022 23:46 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah I love this album too, every song. I listened to a few more of their albums before and after, and there's some good songs here and there, but I'm happy with keeping this album alone

Vinnie, Thursday, 15 September 2022 03:58 (two weeks ago) link

Just discovered the stereo remix they did for DVD-A in 2005, and it’s well worth tracking down. Kick drum is mixed down a bit, and Derek’s bass mixed up — it all ends up feeling warmer and fuller.

Sure, the gauzy coldness of the original was big part of the appeal, but I can’t help but love this even more.

(The multitracks for Catherine Wheel and Promised You a Miracle were missing, so no changes to those two. Oh, and there’s a bonus track too, In Every Heaven, sounding all kinds of wrong coming in after King Is White.)

Xgau Murder Spa (nikola), Thursday, 15 September 2022 13:02 (two weeks ago) link

Just gave this a spin. Like Vinnie, it's the only Simple Minds in my collection but very much deserves its place. Derek's bass is for sure the secret weapon on this album, anchoring all the cold synth tones and sometimes-histrionic vocals. A few good Mick Karn-lite moments thrown in there for good measure.

Guess I must be 40 next year. Wonder what my anniversary album is. Off to Google...

The Ghost Club, Thursday, 15 September 2022 18:13 (two weeks ago) link

Happy Birthday to an eternal album.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 16 September 2022 16:36 (two weeks ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXGYZsY0fdw

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 16 September 2022 23:20 (two weeks ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8NLA8HSe9w

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 16 September 2022 23:23 (two weeks ago) link

Happy 4-0 to New Gold Dream. I got my copy signed by Herbie Hancock recently. He spent quite some time examining the back cover but - no, he simply could not remember the session or playing the beautiful solo on Hunter and The Hunted. (He promised to check it out on Spotify, tho) pic.twitter.com/8Qvy4QhMr1

— Graeme Thomson (@GraemeAThomson) September 17, 2022

mark s, Saturday, 17 September 2022 18:53 (two weeks ago) link

(my guess has always been that he was in like the next studio and they just went up and asked and he had a couple of hours and said cool)

mark s, Saturday, 17 September 2022 18:54 (two weeks ago) link

Hancock appeared on Heatwave’s 1982 album ‘Current’, as did Mel Gaynor so wonder if the connection was made there.

Dan Worsley, Saturday, 17 September 2022 19:18 (two weeks ago) link

i always used to joke when i worked at tower that i'd like to get herbie to sign my copy of that album. very cool that someone went and actually did it and herbie was receptive to it!

ミ💙🅟 🅛 🅤 🅡 🅜 🅑💙彡 (Austin), Saturday, 17 September 2022 19:59 (two weeks ago) link

the guy who got the sig is invested enough to have written a whole book abt the band so

mark s, Saturday, 17 September 2022 20:02 (two weeks ago) link

"he promised to check it out on spotify"

WHAT KIND OF PRODUCT PLACEMENT IS THIS??

ミ💙🅟 🅛 🅤 🅡 🅜 🅑💙彡 (Austin), Saturday, 17 September 2022 20:22 (two weeks ago) link

(my guess has always been that he was in like the next studio and they just went up and asked and he had a couple of hours and said cool)


yep it was one of those things, i started a thread awhile back for those serendipitous opportunities: "we just happened to be recording in the same studio at the same time" contributions/collaborations

brimstead, Saturday, 17 September 2022 23:23 (two weeks ago) link

seems to happen to herbie fairly often iirc

ミ💙🅟 🅛 🅤 🅡 🅜 🅑💙彡 (Austin), Saturday, 17 September 2022 23:59 (two weeks ago) link

I've just started Graeme's book on SM, so far so good.

MaresNest, Sunday, 18 September 2022 18:44 (one week ago) link


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