Now this is a good one (MP3 blog/aggregator thing)

saved on my del.icio.us account last week:
http://del.icio.us/url/ba3235faad74a55d612122bad485d4f1

I need to add it into my blogger template.

I'm a little behind on blogs/rss and all that recent-ish web tech tbh. I'll get round to it soon enough.

with a '- (minus) Arctic Monkeys' function this would be yet more incredible.

In fact an option to create a personal account and add bands to an 'ignore list' appended to all searches would be super-sweet. Has anyone attempted something liek that yet?

http://del.icio.us/

the music tag:
http://del.icio.us/tag/music

absolutely priceless comments here - http://www.stereogum.com/archives/001449.html

http://www.themorningnews.org/archives/opinions/roundtable_mp3_bloggers.php
^just reread this and am surprised what five years has done.

we were so yoooooooung and innocent then

lovin' sean repping for arcade fire and wolf parade there

Dropped the editors who did this a line and suggested a "five years later" roundtable and they're doing it now.

man, i come off real cranky
http://www.themorningnews.org/archives/roundtables/music_bloggers_roundtable_redux.php

I lol'd when they said your life as a music blogger is a Horatio Alger story

John Seroff, a bootblack by day who would toil by candlelight blogging about Lansing-Dreiden

That was my phrase!
substitute waiter for bootblack and hugh mundell for lansing-dreiden and you're pretty much there.

lol @ "if your priority is stacking paper"

you don't use that phrase conversationally when discussing Perez Hilton?

routinely

high on cheese like stilton
stack paper like perez hilton

Blogger's Anthem ft. Wale and Kid Cudi

I don't know what to make of that music bloggers roundtable. I find extremely pedantic their collective slag off of other more recent mp3 or music blogs... their 'nothing new under the sun' attitude. Circle jerk.

Here's what I don't get. Perpetua's introduction to that roundtable reads:

Matthew Perpetua of Fluxblog.org didn’t start the first mp3 blog, but he usually gets credit for it. Now he is a full-time writer who makes part-time money.

But, this little nugget is on Fluxblog:

Fluxblog is the very first MP3 Blog. It was founded by me, Matthew Perpetua, in 2002.

pineapples

why is perpetua so cranky?

maybe i'm a victim of the same fatique from blogging almost as long as most of those guys, but i agreed with or identified with what they said more often than not and didn't mind the crankiness

yeah, i don't know ... I just find it very easy to ignore bad mp3 blogs

I'd like to say that I do agree with O-Dub that there are LOTS of great, passionately written blogs out there. But where there's now 400 or so great blogs with music for DL, there's also hundreds of thousands of YSI/Press Release blogs that are chock-full-o-ads and everywhere. It's a bit depressing.

mp3 blogs are dead, right?

Nah.

But where there's now 400 or so great blogs

LOL

Whiney, how many "great" music blogs do you think there are?

I know my answer: there's only one, and it's http://www.aprilfish.net/.

i'll stand by that number, though it would take me a few weeks of hard work to back it up.

i was trying to think of a bunch, but the ones I have bookmarked are pretty much the same ones I had bookmarked four or five years ago!

http://regalameestanoche.blogspot.com/
^no intellectual content but updated OBSESSIVELY with tons of fairly diverse ragtime/old timey/brazilian

http://www.funkmysoul.gr/
^Good vinyl funk blog

Don't we already have a thread for this?

not sure -- but I actually don't think of those full OOP/rare album blogs as "mp3 blogs" -- even though obviously they share mp3s. I guess Gramophone/Fluxblog/etc -- single song postings with reviews -- as the mp3 blogs we're talking about.

I guess *i think of*

i don't even know anymore honestly. Individual track blogs are certainly on the decline like radio talk shows. I like http://blog.justmovingon.info/

ooh that looks good. you know, i think sometimes a sign of a good blog is well-chosen visuals -- whether it's pics of the record label or nice shots of the group or just a cool complementary photograph. Sort of makes a difference ...

I know my answer: there's only one, and it's http://www.aprilfish.net/.

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― kshighway, viernes 24 de julio de 2009 11:03 PM (Yesterday)

That is not an mp3 blog, is it? I don't know if its because slightly drunk at the moment but I couldn't get anything to work in there.

In other things, fuck matthew perpetua. my mp3 blog is the bee's knees.

*because I'm slightly drunk.

moka, your blog is great and i think the best counter-example to current trends.

what's your blog, moka? i think I've visited before, but can't remember the URL.

i typed moka mp3 blog into GOOGLE and i came up with

http://www.moteldemoka.com/

well there ya go

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=77&threadid=73245#msg751470

Broken link?

lol

Or a board I'm not cool enough to access. :-(

somebody get the kid an invite

NOW GO GET YA FUCKIN SHINEBOX

you have to be invited on to certain boards on ilx?

Apparently!

Thank you, Sean!

Where does that link go to? Is that the thread where I'm an aspie and I should be banned?

"Are you being ironic? I can't even tell anymore."

forksclovetofu i did not know you were an mp3 blogger. i think i had even seen yr blog before.

i kind of agree with all the sad things said about mp3 blogging, here and in the other thread.

i do quite like this music blog, about avant jazz stuff:

http://destination-out.com/

it's been a minute since I've done anything with it.
That blog looks interesting.

Everyone sounds cranky in that article, not just forks and Perpetua.

Anyway, I was surprised by how bleak this roundtable was, both about music blogs and the state of the industry. There's obviously no consensus about how artists should expect to make a living, "free culture", the value of commentary, how to find fresh quality music, and other seemingly unsolvable problems.

blogging has hardly got anything to do with writing. online music "writing" has less to do with writing in any traditional sense than ever. stories are few and far between, it's just release focussed. people indoors online writing about things they read indoors online for other people indoors online.

I don't mean any of the above as value judgements, but I think if you have blogged for any length of time and are now feeling jaded and depressed about it then some of the above may be why.

I always try and take the view that pronouncing large scale changes or developments on things is almost always jumping the gun, but seriously music writing is completely fucked. less people than ever give a flying fuck about it and many are ambivalent or anti...

"people indoors online writing about things they read indoors online for other people indoors online" too long to use as a name, bummer

aren't those Blur lyrics

http://www.slate.com/id/2223381/

Sciolism, my "bleakness" is born out of real sadness that the vast majority of people putting together mp3blogs (and again, really hate that term) have resorted to full album downloads sans commentary or c+p press releases. I had a utopian vision of people all around the world sharing their thoughts and personal loves in a central basin where everybody could dip in and get a drank. Didn't turn out that way, no no.

Garda, I don't know if I really disagree with you per se, but some of the main reasons I got jaded and more or less stopped adding new material are enumerated here: http://tofuhut.blogspot.com/2008/05/few-words-from-our-sponsor.html
I posted that in a fit of FTW optimism that never quite got followed through on. I'm excited to be writing a bit again now on singles jukebox though; I can feel the writin' muscle loosening up a bit.

Also i think there WAS a consensus on how to make a living making music: TOUR. Like, a lot. And I don't think anybody suggested it's difficult to find "fresh quality music"; my problem is finding enough time to listen to everything I already have, much less what's accreting on my hard drive daily. Genius, as they say, is common as flowers.

Thanks tofu for taking your very precious time to answer in the less douchey way you could and sorry if I offended you someway. After reading with an open mind the whole roundtable I think I slightly understand the crankiness now.

I'll endeavor to continue sharing my very precious time with you in the less douchey way I can, but leading in to a discussion you'd like to be taken seriously in by talking shit about Matthew from the git-go does not put you in a good position to take the high road dude.

Yeah I was drunk when I posted that, I thought I made it somewhat clear. For better or for worst ilx doesn't let us non moderators edit our comments.
But oh well, I got a bit upset at the ageist circle jerk some of you had over there and I directed my drunken anger at Matthew because I read his blog on a frequent basis and I was very dissapointed to see he comes out as perhaps the most scorny of all the roundtable, when he seems so cool and laidback when writing on his blog.

I just sent out a few emails to ask for my CDs to be taken down/links removed. It's pretty depressing when it's a Sharebee page and it says "this link has been accessed 1,543 times". Do I think that means we would've sold 1,543 more CDs without the posting? No, of course not. But 15 more would've been nice.

Maybe You've sold 15 more records because of it... I know that's maybe only wishful thinking, but it can be comforting to think that.

Still, it's so rude from bloggers to post whole records (if they're not out of print).

moka, we're all just dudes. none of us are over forty. Matt's a little brusque on there but we're all weirdly old before our time in the evergreen web community.

Posting full length in-print albums is pretty bogus but it's become weirdly de facto. Again, even three years ago, that would've been scoffed at as worst case scenario thinking. Five years ago, I was amazed at the idea that a major label would contact a blogger directly. Seven years ago, you couldn't find a popular recording artist with any sort of video/audio accessible to the public. Things are changing really really fast right now.

in defense of Moka's sometimes odd phrasing:

wiw, I strongly doubt Moka is a sockpuppet because she has her ilx default language set to spanish and I can't think of anyone on ilx who would both a) create a sock and b) have spanish as their default

Nevermind the haters. I say stick around.

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i know cafe moka, dude's not a sock.
FWIW Moka, if this is confusing you, a sock is regular posters attempt at creating a fake login, solely to mess with other people's minds and to give them a stock character to rail against (or with).

fuck matthew perpetua. my mp3 blog is the bee's knees.

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^^ i know Moka's not a sock but shit like this is hilarious anyway

I thought it was so they could have arguments with themselves like Shari Lewis

fwiw i've been running an mp3 blog for 5 years, still have enough energy and passion to do it on a daily basis and think there's plenty of room for sites that offer focused, in-depth coverage on a particular area and lots of writing and info in addition to downloads. but i still don't really disagree with just about anything said in that roundtable.

FWIW Moka, if this is confusing you, a sock is regular posters attempt at creating a fake login, solely to mess with other people's minds and to give them a stock character to rail against (or with).

New in Webster's this year! Seriously.

from what i can tell, the main frustration with mp3 blogs in this day and age is the weird, Hype Machine-fueled, relentless need for the NEW BIG THING -- and I usually end up staying away from those blogs. imo, the best ones -- like Soul Sides for example -- are the ones that take the simple approach of someone sharing choice cuts from their record collection with you. "Here's the stuff I love, and here's why." I love that these kinds of blogs exist and they make the Internet a better place.

btw I know the guy who runs hype machine; he really loves music! If you have beef with the culture, the guy who built the meeting hall is not the one to take issue with.
it occurs to me that I'm in a shitty position to pass judgment as I'm not really participating these days. Hopefully the shame of that thought will motivate to BLOG AGAIN OH RAPTURE
i kinda dig the nomenclature mpfree blog, that's cute.

i thought sock was an ILX only term! I should get out more often.

i don't doubt that ALL of these mp3 blog people are music lovers -- i mean, they spend a lot of time dealing with music ... it's just that the reason i kinda burned out on a lot of mp3 blogs was that there seemed to be a need to keep finding the new band and then, more often than not, to hype that new band to the high heavens. and, more often than not, the band wouldn't be that good.

http://fleamarketfunk.com/

By ageist I didn't want to imply that you were old but that your blogs were and that you've been in the game longer than mostly anyone.
I do understand the crankiness at some point if the main complaint is about full album blogs or hype & leak blogs. When I started blogging 4 years ago posting full albums or unauthorized leaks was the unwritten rule that mostly everyone in the mp3 blog community respected and mostly everyone who did share full albums were sharing music which was really odd and hard to find. The honeymoon had to end someday, sure, but that's not a reason to be a jerk abd automatically assume that every new mp3 blog is unworthy of attention or to say you simply don't care about other mp3 blogs but yours.

Moka I don't think anyone in that article implied that someone newer bringing a high quality mp3 blog to the table would be unwelcome or that they missed the boat on having any cred

just sent out a few emails to ask for my CDs to be taken down/links removed. It's pretty epressing when it's a Sharebee page and it says "this link has been accessed 1,543 times". Do I think that means we would've sold 1,543 more CDs without the posting? No, of course not. But 15 more would've been nice.

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i've been waiting for someone to start using those DL counts as career statistics like sales figures (probably happened already and i just didn't see it)

big champagne makes a profit doing just that

ah i never had a real concept of what that is

the point, for me at least, saying I don't much read other blogs these days (and admittedly, this wasn't really illuminated; we only did one round in the round table and I would've liked to do at least one more) is less that newjacks aren't bringing any quality and more that I'm simply inundated with options to listen to new music, period. Six or seven years ago in pre-YouTube/Facebook/Myspace land, blogs sharing music was the ONLY way, save for P2P, to hear new songs. They're just a less vital part of the workforce these days and it's not even their fault. The industry caught up to what we were doing and they're streaming just about everything. Spotify is on the way at the end of the year. We won! But what did we win?

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.10/fileshare.html
Worth noting that LOTS of people think the BC metrics are utterly full of shit.

yeah i mean -- in 2004 there was no YouTube, there were only a handful of mp3 upload sites -- it was a lot harder to get your hands on media to share so it was more about what you were saying and how you were saying it by default xpost

the only mp3 blog i check on the reg now is www.firstup.se

an appendix to this thread:
music blogs in 2009: does anyone care anymore?

the idea that instant music download make music criticism irrelevant is so wrong. if anything it should make music writing better.

using music reviews as a buyers guide <<<<<<<<< using music reviews as a starting point for discussion

Music reviews still do act as filters too. None of us have time to listen to everything. Shit like Metacritic, Pitchfork's Best New Music section, ILM threads, etc. suggest stuff to us we might like.]

But deej, you're definitely correct in saying that "the idea that instant music download make music criticism irrelevant is so wrong. if anything it should make music writing better."

kshighway, you said exactly what i was going to. i use criticism as filters for the vast amount of shit out there. i won't even bother reading music blogs that don't at least have embedded flash samples, though. i want to be part of the process and be able to make my own judgments while reading.

rockapads, I totally agree that criticism + actual audio is the ideal way to go.

I wasn't sure where else to put this but:
http://www.themorningnews.org/article/catching-up-with-the-mp3-bloggers
ten years. so old.

http://www.bkmag.com/2014/12/01/what-happened-to-all-the-music-blogs
with love from maura. this is kinda what happened to the mp3 blogs: they sold out or bought in or kept ongoing low profiles

Where have all the bloggers gone, forks have pitched them one by one

Fifteen years! explaining to younger people what an mp3 blog is has become much more complicated than i ever imagined but it generally starts with "okay so before youtube got popular"

it's like youtube but if the video description was interesting and made sense

I wonder how long we have until nobody under a certain age even knows what MP3s are