What's the deal with Weezer?

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What happend in Harvard that made rivers suck?

Voodoo Child, Sunday, 2 October 2005 03:57 (eleven years ago) Permalink

weezer rock :
buddy holly,gone fishing,holiday in the sun are brilliant
weezer suck:
p.s.if you're a nerd and you do drugs you're still not cool.

retroman, Sunday, 2 October 2005 04:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Well Weezer went to hell after they started snorting coke and gunpowder, but that is not the point. They were cursed by the Bloodhound Gang, who's infamous lyrics ring most truest now for Weezer, "The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire, we don't need no water, let the motherfucker burn, burn motherfucker burn."

stonedage, Sunday, 2 October 2005 06:28 (eleven years ago) Permalink

GODFATHERS OF EMO

yes they are the gay and always have been and always will be

ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!, Sunday, 2 October 2005 13:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

They didn't use to suck. "Pinkerton" is my favorite album ever but now they suck like Kobe Tai.

The sucking started to happen when Rivers went back to harvard.

Voodoo Child, Sunday, 2 October 2005 15:58 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Pinkerton is garbage.

~~~~ DODONGO DISLIKES SMOKE ~~~~ (ex machina), Sunday, 2 October 2005 16:39 (eleven years ago) Permalink

In their own humble way, they're one of the most ridiculously affected bands in the world, like, say, KISS. And like KISS, they can write the occasional memorable song.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Sunday, 2 October 2005 16:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

You use gay like it is a bad thing.
I like Weezer! Even the new album. It has occasionally very bad lyrics but so have you! All i'm saying is that you have to take the post pinkerton weezer as popmusic. Its shallow but still imho fun

neele, Monday, 3 October 2005 13:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Beverley Hills went back to their Blue Album stuff but the rest of it was pretty forgettable (hence I can't really remember it).

Nick H (Nick H), Monday, 3 October 2005 20:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

holiday in the sun

!!!!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 3 October 2005 20:06 (eleven years ago) Permalink

no, what happened was that matt sharp left.

richard wood johnson, Monday, 3 October 2005 20:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

They are all on drugs.

Suck drugs.

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Monday, 3 October 2005 20:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

They didn't use to suck. "Pinkerton" is my favorite album ever but now they suck like Kobe Tai.
The sucking started to happen when Rivers went back to harvard.

-- Voodoo Child (voodoochild10100...), October 2nd, 2005.
good call .
kobe blows too.

retrogurl, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 00:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

I can't believe they are talented enough to lower the bar even further. Even Chris Cornell would be embarrassed. So would Brokencyde:

http://pitchfork.com/news/36921-hear-the-weezer-song-with-lil-wayne/

Evan, Tuesday, 27 October 2009 01:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

I quite like it.

Josh L, Tuesday, 27 October 2009 03:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

Crap I'm marketing this shit...

Evan, Tuesday, 27 October 2009 03:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, they have done waaaaay worse than this.

FC Tom Tomsk Club (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 27 October 2009 09:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

NO WAY!

Evan, Tuesday, 27 October 2009 17:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

it might be some kind of apotheosis of late '00s pop music

Ømår Littel (Jordan), Tuesday, 27 October 2009 17:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

guys he went to HARVARD

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 27 October 2009 17:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

HARVARD

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 27 October 2009 17:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

man the beat is boring

i feel like i'm an antenna and i want to be that antenna (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 27 October 2009 17:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

that is one of the worst songs i have heard in a while

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 27 October 2009 17:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

not as bad as getchoo

Pedro Paramore (jim), Tuesday, 27 October 2009 17:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

ha! this is great. i like the simplicity of the beat

6335, Tuesday, 27 October 2009 19:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

dude if you like this beat you should check out the new album by the Cheap Casio Keyboard Presets

i feel like i'm an antenna and i want to be that antenna (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 27 October 2009 19:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

Polow Da Don did most of the production on that Cheap Casio Keyboard Presets record too

crazypoxyfule (some dude), Tuesday, 27 October 2009 19:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

though they could only afford to get Gudda Gudda on a guest verse ;_;

i feel like i'm an antenna and i want to be that antenna (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 27 October 2009 19:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

not as bad as getchoo
― Pedro Paramore (jim), Tuesday, October 27, 2009 5:48 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

You must be trolling.

billstevejim, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 00:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

GETCHOO AH HA

Pedro Paramore (jim), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 00:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

I don't know much about Weezer, but this wasn't bad, not sure how toungue-in-cheek it is though

I am using your worlds, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 00:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

Well, Weezer was a band that used to make music. Jonas Brothers and The Wiggles are more passionate, don't hate their fans as much as Weezer, and aren't as big of sell-outs as Weezer.

Evan, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 03:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

This whole thing makes me really really depressed. Weezer was probably the band that made me able to relate to people in meaningful ways in middle school and early high school (cliche blah blah blah), and all of my friends from that era and I still listen to the new Weezer albums every time they come out and prod and twist them in our minds until we can find something to enjoy about it. This is the first time that there is basically nothing in these songs that I can latch on to even the slightest bit.

jonathan - stl, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 04:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

holy moses Rivers is a nerd

I just listened to his interview w/ Derogatis & Kot on the sound opinions show this week

& I think I have finally figured the guy out

lukevalentine, Saturday, 20 February 2010 01:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

he isn't ironic or calculated at all, just a shy nerd who is really hurt that the indie kids don't like him anymore, or something

lukevalentine, Saturday, 20 February 2010 01:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

rivers is a troll

J0rdan S., Saturday, 20 February 2010 01:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

many rivers to cross

Hangin' with Tommy Cooper (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 20 February 2010 14:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

rivers is a troll
^^

^^potentially not true at all, sry^^ (Z S), Saturday, 20 February 2010 14:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

How to Get the Indie Kids to Stop Not Liking You:

#1: Do not put the phrase "coz I'm your daddy" in any of the choruses of your songs. Esp. singles that may get radio airplay.

ha! (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 20 February 2010 16:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

Cuomo was born in a Manhattan hospital to parents of Italian and German/English descent and raised on an ashram run by the late yoga master Sri Swami Satchidananda in Pomfret, Connecticut.[1] It is a myth that the name Rivers originates from his birthplace; his mother, Beverly, was inspired to name her son "Rivers" because he was born between the East and Hudson rivers in Manhattan. Her appreciation of the sound of running water further reinforced her desire for this name. His father, Frank Cuomo, was a musician who played drums on the album Odyssey of Iska by jazz saxophonist Wayne Shorter.[2][3] During his early childhood Cuomo attended a private school on an ashram farm where his parents raised him and his brother Leaves.[4] Cuomo's parents moved to nearby Storrs, Connecticut when the ashram (known as Yogaville) was relocated to a plot of land along the Blue Ridge Mountains in Virginia.[5] Cuomo attended E.O. Smith High School in Storrs, Connecticut under the name Peter Kitts,[6] Santa Monica College,[7] Berklee College of Music,[8] and Harvard University, where he graduated Phi Beta Kappa.[9] In high school, Rivers played the role of Johnny Casino in the stage production of Grease.[10][11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers_Cuomo

Adam Bruneau, Saturday, 20 February 2010 17:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

90's Weezer (and 90's Rentals) is still amazing... And by that, I'm not only referring to the trifecta of awesome (Blue Album/Return Of The Rentals/Pinkerton) but also most of the 40+ non-album tracks from this period that have become available through various internet sources and released on the 2 "Alone" comps.

Weezer doesn't really exist to me after 1999 as they unintentionally became a completely different band. But prior to that, they're one of my favorite bands of all time.. probably top 10 or so.

billstevejim, Monday, 22 February 2010 16:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y72sdtEPB8

billstevejim, Monday, 22 February 2010 17:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

Weezer doesn't really exist to me after 1999 as they unintentionally became a completely different band.

Could not disagree more strongly about this. The evolution in to Weezer v2.0 was very much intentional. Now that we're six albums deep into this phase, I think that much is pretty clear. They certainly aren't a patch on the glory years, but I'm glad I can count on them to crank out 3-6 pretty solid power pop jams per album with regularity (conveniently ignoring the crap surrounding 'em).

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 02:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

plz tell me the 3-6 pretty solid power pop jams on the new album, raditude and the red album becuz i just don't know

da croupier, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 02:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

don't know any of their albums but the singles off green and maladroit were total jams fuiud

markers garvey (The Reverend), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 02:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

I still go to bat for those albums, and I'll give Make Believe 3ish ok songs ("This Is A Pity" is some megalol glory) but with everything since the first single's OK if that

da croupier, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 03:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmSl6ZljvJk

Mostly for the guitar solo and YOU THINK I'M A FASCIST PIIIIIIIG

da croupier, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 03:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

only weezer joint i've heard since then that i could even kinda f/w was "if you're wondering if i want to"

markers garvey (The Reverend), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 03:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

I actually really like "Pork And Beans." The chorus is such Blue Album overdrive that I can overlook the dopiness.

da croupier, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 03:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

Dude wants to raise $10 million to get Weezer to break up:

http://www.themusicnetwork.com/music-news/artists/2010/10/06/punter-wants-to-pay-weezer-10-million-to-break-up/

Don't get this, considering he was never a fan in the first place. Hurley is a pretty decent return to form as well....by which I mean, it's no worse than Maladroit.

Tim. E "LazRus" Lucas (Prose b4 Hoes...and Big Hoos), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 06:41 (six years ago) Permalink

I get it. You don't have to be a fan to be a well-meaning observer. Everything he points out is true. The first two albums (which were Matt Sharp-inclusive) were landmarks, and everything they've released in the era since then has all the sincerity of a whoopie cushion. Wise people quit hoping for a return to form four albums ago, but there are still some people who get their hopes up only to have them dashed every single time.

Rivers Cuomo actually seems like a vindictive son of a bitch at this point. But he's also a fame whore, and if he thinks he can keep his name out there by agreeing to break up Weezer for good for a large sum of money, he'll do it. Interested to see this play out.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 14:18 (six years ago) Permalink

first two albums (which were Matt Sharp-inclusive) were landmarks, and everything they've released in the era since then has all the sincerity of a whoopie cushion.

Bullshit. The Green Album is the pinnacle of their artistic achievement. Blue is mostly a novelty record and the entirety of Pinkerton sounds like a B-side.

kkvgz, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 14:50 (six years ago) Permalink

I love it when people get all riled up about Weezer not being "sincere" anymore. I love Pinkerton too, but c'mon.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 14:57 (six years ago) Permalink

Weezer sucks. Those first two records were insufferable and you all know it.

I'm gonna mention ilxor in everyone of my posts until I get dn'd (ilxor), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 14:59 (six years ago) Permalink

Weezer should just be assassinated without hesitation.

you're fired (u s steel), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 15:08 (six years ago) Permalink

Weezer sucks. Those first two records were insufferable and you all know it.

^^^this

crude interloper of a once august profession (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 16:25 (six years ago) Permalink

Matt Sharp wrote about as much music for Weezer as my gran

Morcheeba, simply happening. (PaulTMA), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 16:27 (six years ago) Permalink

And for that he deserves credit.

I'm gonna mention ilxor in everyone of my posts until I get dn'd (ilxor), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 16:29 (six years ago) Permalink

Weezer sucks. Those first two records were insufferable and you all know it.

A compelling argument. When i travel back in time to my 16-year-old self playing air guitar to "Say It Ain't So" while making Doom II levels, this will definitely win me over to your position.

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 17:04 (six years ago) Permalink

Wow...the cover for their upcoming rarities comp is even more absurd than Hurley. Don't think they'll ever top this one:

http://pitchfork.com/news/40359-weezer-ready-rarities-comp-ideath-to-false-metali/

Tim. E "LazRus" Lucas (Prose b4 Hoes...and Big Hoos), Monday, 11 October 2010 22:18 (six years ago) Permalink

is that Ginuwine?

some dude, Monday, 11 October 2010 22:21 (six years ago) Permalink

No it's Weezer, silly.

MarkoP, Monday, 11 October 2010 22:49 (six years ago) Permalink

Does anyone love anyone as much as I love you? 1:32 PM Oct 5th via web Retweeted by 100+ people

RiversCuomo
Rivers Cuomo

markers, Monday, 11 October 2010 22:52 (six years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

hahahahahahahahaha
http://www.theweezercruise.com/

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 20:12 (six years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

^^^^^ one of my best friends and his wife are on the Weezer Cruise

amazing

dmr, Friday, 20 January 2012 18:54 (five years ago) Permalink

five years pass...

Raditude is actually a better record than both Make Believe and 50% of the red LP.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Monday, 4 September 2017 19:34 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Even though it has about four good songs on it, there's something about The Red album which is just so urgggggh for me. If Rivers' idea of 'experimentation' is to sound like New Kids On The Block (Heart Songs), RHCP (Everybody Get Dangerous), Crazytown (Cold Dark World), then I'd prefer he just sticks to the formula. Make Believe is deeply flawed - some horrible lyrics, sterile production - but I'd argue that melodically, it can be very strong at times (The Other Way, The Damage In Your Heart, Haunt You Every Day).

I wish I could say that Raditude was kinda cool in a misguided way, but it really doesn't quite work. Kudos to Rivers for flying completely in the face of what his hardcore fans wanted at the time, though.

PaulTMA, Monday, 4 September 2017 20:38 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Weezer (Blue) = Pinkerton >>> Maladroit > Weezer (Green) > Everything Will Be Alright In The End = Weezer (White) > Hurley > Raditude > Weezer (Red) > Make Believe

My god, do I blow hot and cold with this band, though. Some days their best stuff really hits the spot, other days I can't think of a more irritating band. I certainly can't think of a band with a more annoying fanbase.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 05:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Blue
White (can't believe this was as enjoyable as it was)
Pinkerton (the lyrics are mostly unbearable or this would be higher)
Green
Everything Will Be Alright In The End
Red
Maladroit
Raditude
Make Believe
Hurley
Death to False Metal

but i feel silly for even having thought about this for a few minutes

ufo, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 06:23 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Alone III: The Pinkerton Years is the best Weezer related thing

flappy bird, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 06:24 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Not very encouraged by the direction the new album appears to be heading. It's like Rivers now feels he's earned enough goodwill from the last two albums to resume his quest to be the powerpop Maroon 5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBqFoyXXs3E

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 17:27 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i love & like a handful of millennial Weezer songs, but my man lost it after he started writing with spreadsheets. intellectual exercises and calculation only get you so far. my favorite of the post-Pinkerton records is definitely The Red Album, for whatever reason I like the silly songs the most ("Heartsongs" rules), the Quaker song, even the fan service-y lead single "Pork & Beans." The White Album was cool but too little too late imo, but maybe I'm just not in the mood for another new Weezer album. good guitar tones & a handful of sick songs ("LA Girlz" is really the one) doesn't cut it. i'd rather listen to the Alone series.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 17:41 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The back half of the red LP sucks.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 17:51 (two weeks ago) Permalink

What I think happened was a massive crisis of confidence in his ability to deliver the goods, hence the spreadsheet, the "pop music analysis" phase, asking his own fans for advice (which is always the most stupid idea in the world, particularly if your fanbase is notably one of the most irritating and obnoxious in the world) and working with endless co-writers...

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 17:56 (two weeks ago) Permalink

yeah. Pinkerton & the reaction to it poisoned him. obviously was incredibly traumatic, so much so that he retired the band for 3-4 years.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 17:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink

because the guy can still write good music - but he rarely sounds like he gives a shit, or that he's going out on a limb & taking risks

flappy bird, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 17:58 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Thing is, he (and Weezer) have taken quite a great deal of "risks" over the last 17 years, they just haven't been the kind of "risks" their fans have embraced because most of 'em are either stuck in the '90s or want Weezer to be a perfectly preserved version of their '90s selves. Sure, it hasn't helped matters that Cuomo has written some incredibly shitty songs in the last 17 years, but there's some good stuff in there too, and not all of it is "typical" Weezer.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 18:11 (two weeks ago) Permalink

yeah i agree, "Heartsongs" fits that mold for sure. but each album is weighed down by contrivances & an emotional distance & too many intellectual songwriting exercises. i'm not stuck in the 90s, the first Weezer song I ever heard was "Hash Pipe." The White Album sorta reminded me of SP's Oceania in a way - both were very fan service-y in their revisiting of specific guitar tones & straight down the middle songs & structures. there's good stuff in there, but ultimately it's too plastic to really sink into.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 18:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Honestly, the last couple of albums didn't really remind me of their '90s stuff any more than parts of, say, Hurley did.

The "emotional distance" thing always crops up but there's plenty of songs that Weezer have put out over the last 17 years that have been quite personal, just not personal in the way Weezer fans want them to be personal. They want the lyrics to be on-the-nose and the production to be raw, like Pinkerton because in their minds this is more "real" than lyrics that are less obviously personal and a studio sheen.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 18:29 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Also, this band have always been, for want of a better word, stupid. 'My Name Is Jonas' and 'Surf Wax America' are as silly as anything Weezer put out after 2000.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 18:31 (two weeks ago) Permalink

lol true. i think more than anything, going away for 5 years after Pinkerton was the worst thing for the band & their future & legacy. they've always been kind of chained to those first two records.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 18:42 (two weeks ago) Permalink

It seems that a lot of the sound of The White Album was down to producer / old-skool fan Jake Sinclair working hard to bring back certain elements to their sound which have been believed to be lost in more recent times, something which in interviews Rivers appeared to entertain more than embrace. There was some quote where he said something like "I let Jake win on The White Album, but I'm going to win more on the new one". It seems Butch Walker has been brought back for the first time since Raditude.

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 18:43 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I often wonder just how much Matt Sharp leaving affected the band musically.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 18:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I've always been against the idea that it was Matt's departure which signalled some kind of shift. Always seemed like an easy strategy - Matt's there? Classic Weezer! No Matt? People not so pleased. Amplified by the fact he made a semi-popular album during his time with the band. If anything, In terms of lineup changes having an impact, I would say it was more likely to be significant when Mikey Welsh - Rivers' close pal from Boston and fan of The Replacements et al - was replaced by session musician Scott Shriner. I've heard people figure that Matt could have been a musical sounding board who kept Rivers in check, though as far as I know Matt and Pat weren't even that enthusiastic about the direction they took with Pinkerton.

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 19:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink

nu-Weezer is such a fucking embarrassment even hearing one of their news songs once on the radio makes my skin crawl

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 19:27 (two weeks ago) Permalink

x-post:

I've always been against the idea up to a point - it's not like Sharp was ever a songwriting presence in Weezer - but I still wonder if it would have ever made a difference to, say, the green LP if he hadn't left. Surely it would have done in some small way. I agree that it's all too easy to go "Matt's on it? Classic Weezer!" etc.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 19:28 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I think it was always going to be the anti-Pinkerton. It's not impossible to say if that wouldn't necessarily be those precise 10 songs had another body been in the bass role, but I think Matt had long since fulfilled his role. A big part of his departure appears to be over the very issue of loyalty/commitment at the end of the Pinkerton era, like him not being around to play on 'Tragic Girl'.

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 21:55 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The performance of Buddy Holly at this show (the benefit concert to their deceased fan club presidents). What in the name of fuck is Matt Sharp doing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDuJozrnyrY&t=1971s

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 22:00 (two weeks ago) Permalink

ain't liking that link. 32m ins 52 secs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDuJozrnyrY

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 22:01 (two weeks ago) Permalink

oh wow, I didn't know a tape of the full show existed. I've only ever seen Rivers' solo performance of "Mykel and Carli," which is just devastating - this is a different angle than the video I saw, but there's one out there from the stage that pans to Mykel and Carli's parents crying watching Rivers play. also FYI this was Matt Sharp's last show with the band.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 01:36 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Matt Sharp embracing his inner frustrated frontman there.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 9 September 2017 11:17 (one week ago) Permalink

it's not like Sharp was ever a songwriting presence in Weezer

really? i always figured he was contributing things to the arrangements and whatnot on the first two albums if not exactly writing entire songs. when you hear the first Rentals album it's pretty close to the Weezer sound. seems like he would have contributed a lot of high harmonies and stuff.

im still of the opinion Matt Sharp was the ultimately deciding factor but if you honestly think the green album is on the level of the first two albums (which is fucking insane) you won't be convinced otherwise.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 9 September 2017 13:49 (one week ago) Permalink

I have no doubt that he chipped in with some ideas/his opinion regarding arrangements, but that's not writing the song.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 9 September 2017 14:26 (one week ago) Permalink

Also, this band have always been, for want of a better word, stupid. 'My Name Is Jonas' and 'Surf Wax America' are as silly as anything Weezer put out after 2000.

― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Tuesday, September 5, 2017 2:31 PM (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

to your point i agree 100% songwriting-wise, "Buddy Holly" and "Beverly Hills" are both silly dumb songs as written material. but the biggest change was musically, performance-wise, sound-wise, production-wise. from a dynamic and pan-emotional garage band to a heavily compressed radio act without the interesting arrangements. the first two albums had these soaring solos and instrumental sections where the band would break down and build up. not as easy to do with a new bass player when you are making your comeback and trying to learn all the old material for your tours.

imo this was Matt Sharp's main contribution, and it crept into other things, the videos ("Good Life"/"El Scorcho" being points of contention between him and Rivers, goofy vs. serious), the band image. the new bass player was a random LA musician where Matt Sharp was full of ideas. even if he didn't write songs he probably would have tried to veto the worst ideas or maybe come up w a bass line working w the drummer (who also went from crazily loose and inventive ("Tired of Sex") to very simple patterns) to perhaps give a song like "Hash Pipe" a new hook or something. most post-Pinkerton songs are pretty one note, only a hook or two, verse/chorus/verse, the unique intros/outros, the high harmonies, a lot of stuff is missing.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 9 September 2017 15:54 (one week ago) Permalink

Rivers wrote the bass line for "Tired of Sex" and many, many other Weezer songs. Rivers wrote the songs and many of the parts. It was his idea to do barbershop-style harmonies and made the band take vocal lessons. I agree that Sharp's most significant contribution was as a filter w/r/t ideas & arrangements. That's not to say he was insignificant - he obviously had an impact - but the shellacking that Rivers and the band got for Pinkerton and its lyrics is the reason they shifted to a radio-friendly sound. Maybe that's why Sharp jumped ship. Rivers made a conscious attempt to avoid the humiliation of Pinkerton and write songs with extreme limitations and conceits. As evidenced by some of the later albums, it's not like they forgot how to shred, or write instrumental breaks. That shift was going to happen whether Sharp left or not.

flappy bird, Saturday, 9 September 2017 20:06 (one week ago) Permalink

Mikey was the best bassist anyway.

PaulTMA, Sunday, 10 September 2017 16:05 (one week ago) Permalink

So much seems to be made of what Rivers took from Matt, but less so about how much it worked the other way round. I'm pretty sure Rivers was of the opinion that Matt rode his back to launch the Rentals. Rivers demos a analogue synth-driven concept album about space travel. Matt then records and releases Return Of The Rentals. Rivers scraps his project.

I'm quite certain the common notion that Matt was some kind of magical talisman of good taste in Weezer appeals massively to his not-inconsiderably-sized ego

PaulTMA, Sunday, 10 September 2017 16:11 (one week ago) Permalink


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