Where is the LOVE for HARVEY MILK?

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Why is Harvey Milk in Trouser Press. I would have thought everyone having anything to do with TP would hate HM.

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:54 (fourteen years ago) link



xhuxk, Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Those guys were born in the wrong time.

I use the second song off their debut in my DJ sets all the time.

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:04 (fourteen years ago) link

The dopey record company that issued another reissue from them last year didn't even use that in their press. So of course no one, once again, paid much attention. The Relapse Harvey Milk reissue is my third favorite Relapse CD, next to Pentagram's and Atheist's "Elements."

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:25 (fourteen years ago) link


ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:26 (fourteen years ago) link

Well now, that got some unfair and unkindly reviews, too. People seemed to think Harvey Milk was boring. They did not get the Budgie-like roots (particularly Budgie live) of the band.

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:28 (fourteen years ago) link

I imagine they must be like a cross between Harvey Danger and Walt Mink. But GAYER.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, pig fuck vocals on top of Budgie riffs = definitely gay.

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, George...

They SHOULD have mentioned that I use them in my DJ set.

Also, Harvey Milk acolytes BIG BEAR rule school as well.

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:48 (fourteen years ago) link

I imagine they must be like a cross between Harvey Danger and Walt Mink

You mean Walt Milk.

gunda, Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:59 (fourteen years ago) link

No, I mean Walt Mink. What, should I have said Dead Milkmen?

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 17:12 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Also in ruling: The new Anthem DVD does so. Three and a half hours (!!) of live footage from 93 on. Released by Henry Owings (Chunklet), who also wrote the Trouser Press entry George cited above.

BTW, the entry originally appeared in the Badaboom Gramophone zine (as noted below it) when they did a Robbins-approved "Bands Not in the Trouser Press" guide. Robbins has since added many of these into his TP listings.

c@md3n (c@md3n), Friday, 29 September 2006 14:52 (thirteen years ago) link

I love the new Harvey Milk album. So very good.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 29 September 2006 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link

I haven't heard the new one yet, Scott, but will soon. Wasn't tanner's side thing Dude Ranch? Wonder if it's still around.

c@md3n (c@md3n), Friday, 29 September 2006 16:10 (thirteen years ago) link


Roque Strew (RoqueStrew), Friday, 29 September 2006 17:39 (thirteen years ago) link

I've got the new album on vinyl, it's great! Need to get the reissue that just came out. I was going to wait for vinyl but fuck it i'll get the cd I think.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 29 September 2006 22:01 (thirteen years ago) link

Can anyone explain what that fucking digital clicking is in the first chorus of the second track?

It sounds like an MP3 fucking up. I thought it was just a problem with the Tumult version, but the Relapse reissue has it too!

Was it intentional? It pretty much ruins the song for me since I just want to bathe in sludge and there's some gremlin tapping on the glass.

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Sunday, 1 October 2006 15:48 (thirteen years ago) link

three months pass...
Revive cuz I just picked up a used copy of the relapse-issued courtesy and good will. Whiney - I also hear what you're talking about on the 2nd track. I figure it musta been some problem with the master or something if it's been on 2 different reissues. Does anyone have the original vinyl?

Stingy (stingy), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:37 (thirteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

finally picked up *the pleaser* reissue and the *my love is higher than your assessment of what my love could be* reissue. loving the milk. the pleaser being their approximation of a cock rock album. they just rule every which way.

hey i almost forgot that i actually wrote about the last album for a lovely southern news weekly:


scott seward, Thursday, 13 September 2007 17:59 (twelve years ago) link

eight months pass...

worth seeing live?

am0n, Friday, 6 June 2008 19:59 (eleven years ago) link

amazon says this is the cover for the new one lol


am0n, Friday, 6 June 2008 20:00 (eleven years ago) link

New album is terrific as usual. Never seen live but I think theyre playing uk in july?

Herman G. Neuname, Friday, 6 June 2008 20:03 (eleven years ago) link

I would kill to see them live, live bonus tracks i've heard sound wonderfully brutal. so so great

John Justen, Friday, 6 June 2008 20:04 (eleven years ago) link

ha they cover a fear song

am0n, Friday, 6 June 2008 20:09 (eleven years ago) link

them live circa '96 was a total mind fuck.

QuantumNoise, Friday, 6 June 2008 20:20 (eleven years ago) link

I love this band so much. here's a little exchange on the new album taken from the rolling metal thread (I may be full of beans):

new harvey milk is cool but I have to admit that I was hoping for a little more. I mean, it's a really solid, sludgy hard rock record with lots of neat little touches and I'm sure I'll like it more and more each listen...

BUT. nothing on the new record really comes close to the last two tracks on special wishes. I really liked the sequencing on special wishes - the songs all fit together in a way that made them seem of a piece, and of course, in a way that set you up to be floored by the last two. the new one is a fine, FINE collection of songs but I'm not getting the emotional oomph out of it that I was hoping for.

all the classic rockin' guitar leads are cool, though. really looking forward to seeing them live in a few weeks.

-- Alan N, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 13:53 (2 days ago) Link

"BUT. nothing on the new record really comes close to the last two tracks on special wishes."

how could anything anywhere come close to those songs though. it would be almost impossible and i wouldn't ask that of any band. i'll be happy with the new album even if it's not as great as special wishes. i kinda became obsessed and in love with special wishes in a way that would be hard to duplicate. so i won't try.

-- scott seward, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 18:53 (2 days ago) Link

true dat. my own fault for building this thing up in my head, really. but I still can't shake the feeling that the record lacks some the emotional heft I was hopping for. like a song or two that just leaves me reeling. and, even if it is my fave and just monumental all around, it isn't only special wishes that has this effect on me! I mean, 'anvil will fall' and the cover of 'the old revolution' are just beautiful songs, for instance. on two listens, nothing hits me that way yet.

I should stop whining, tho. it happens. and I don't hold that against the pleaser, for instance.

-- Alan N, Thursday, 5 June 2008 02:06 (Yesterday) Link

anyway, I should really listen to this thing some more. that was just my GUT talking.

original bgm, Friday, 6 June 2008 20:38 (eleven years ago) link

special wishes has got to be my fave "band reunion" album ever. not that there's realy all that much competition!

original bgm, Friday, 6 June 2008 20:40 (eleven years ago) link

Anyone else going to the Supersonic festival in Birmingham in July? I'll be seeing them there and they were one of the biggest draws for me; I'm not a huge fan as yet, but I'm very very interested to see them live.

krakow, Saturday, 7 June 2008 06:59 (eleven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Pretty into this, special mention for 'Skull Socks And Rope Shoes' if only cos it's the track where, instead of sounding like they're standing on the sidelines laughing at others' folly (I mean this in a complimentary way), they just fucking DIVE IN to a big sea of sludge and sewage. In answer to the above question, I'm going to Supersonic and I will bang a head to this I think

DJ Mencap, Thursday, 26 June 2008 22:17 (eleven years ago) link

Singer dude has a new single out

Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 26 June 2008 22:34 (eleven years ago) link

They brought it last night in Athens. I was amused beforehand to see Kyle Spence nail his bass drum to the stage, but it made sense when they started playing.

I never saw the 90's incarnation of the band, but this didn't feel anything like a reunion act running through the motions. Joe Preston of the Melvins is with them now on guitar.

About the new album and the line-up changes:
The Best Game in Town

Impossible to categorize. UK folks, go see them in July.

Brad C., Saturday, 28 June 2008 16:34 (eleven years ago) link

two weeks till the milk. two weeks till the milk...cannot fucking wait. especially with joe preston on board.

the new album is a funny one though. first track is awesome beyond belief, and the rest certainly pushes all my brutal buttons, but it has less of the awkwardness, gentleness and sheer sense of oddness that set them apart from other sludgy doom-type people.

I feel like I understood this album straight away, 'cause it's pretty obviously METAL. whereas I've never really gotten my head around what 'special wishes', 'my love...', and 'courtesy...' really are - and that's what I love about them.

m the g, Saturday, 28 June 2008 17:36 (eleven years ago) link

Just playing the new album at home for the first time and it sounds awesome on the stereo here. Really powerful. I wish that I'd put it on earlier though, so that I could crank it some more.

Less than a week to go till Supersonic, I'm extra psyched now.

krakow, Sunday, 6 July 2008 21:32 (eleven years ago) link

new album rules. not as much as special wishes, but hey, I'm over it.

anyone else see them a few weeks ago at the knitting factory (the ny one)? they were so weird. seemed like they were totally wasted and they were taking a RIDICULOUS amount of time between songs! they kept tuning and chatting amongst themselves for what seemed like 2-4mins at the end of every freakin song! it was really weird.

original bgm, Sunday, 6 July 2008 23:43 (eleven years ago) link

they were pretty tight when they were actually playing, tho.

original bgm, Sunday, 6 July 2008 23:44 (eleven years ago) link

I'll keep listening, but so far this is what I think (will revise/add if/when nec.) Posed a couple weeks ago on
Athens GA's "Dirge Lords" Harvey Milk's new Life...The Best Game In
Town is indeed movin' slow as Uncle Joe at the station. And too much
so. At times. It seems. But. Then. There. Is. This:

The infernal night wind of "Skull Sock And Rope Shoes" bumps hanging
gardens against the ziggaraut, as if demanding entrance to the sealed
heart of mercy; and the desert is so dry it comes walking like a man
into the city of storms, seeking a drop this golem can actually feel;
though chiromancers rain lightning, still he sways! Til falls through
the white light of Milk--and is reborn as "Motown," tip-toeing,
stomping wine from the decline of the mighty Mississip'--no lie, this
is Southern Rock 2008 A.D., the great Southern migration to and from
Motor Murder City and thus(bobbing up in the wake of "We Destroy The
Family") kinda sweet: "So I'm almost growwwn, and I mus' sleep
aloooone"--cast from thee bosom of thy family? Hold fast bwah, it's
only forever! And then...

dow, Monday, 7 July 2008 04:58 (eleven years ago) link

these guys were awses last nite, esp this guy



yungblut, Monday, 14 July 2008 08:52 (eleven years ago) link

Saw them at Supersonic on Saturday. Above dude was basically the first person I saw when I came in but I didn't really know what any of them looked like aside from Joe Preston so just thought to myself, heavens that gentleman looks like a serious acid casualty. Then I went to watch them play and there he was! In conjunction with his bandmates he absilutely rinsed it. What a fucking band.

DJ Mencap, Monday, 14 July 2008 09:08 (eleven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

I hosted Harvey Milk, Brothers of the Sonic Cloth (Tad's new band), Rabbits, and Iommi Stubbs in Portland last night.

Such an EPIC and HEAVY lineup.

You all need to hear Tad's new shit. He's wearing the YOB influence on his sleeve (literally).

Nate Carson, Monday, 4 August 2008 02:49 (eleven years ago) link

three months pass...

why am i just getting around to listening to "life ... the best game in town"? so good

metametadata (n/a), Wednesday, 12 November 2008 15:30 (eleven years ago) link

Been listening to Harvey Milk for the first time today, they're great, have to get a copy of "Life..."!

Neil S, Wednesday, 12 November 2008 15:37 (eleven years ago) link

i'm loving these guysx so much right now. the singles comp is just gods honest truth amazing. i saw spiers i think doing an acoustic set at aquarius in san francisco a few moths ago, he covered leonard cohen and god knows what else, i t was pretty cool

Jake Sexchamp (Matt P), Sunday, 23 November 2008 10:25 (eleven years ago) link

The solo 7" sounds like "Cinderella Backstreet" - in other words, totally unexpectedly fuckin amazing.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 24 November 2008 00:57 (eleven years ago) link

rfi: harvey milk dvd doco - i was watching it on ebay and it got bid up to $71 while i was out. anyone know where i can find one? it seems hard to locate.

i hope you don't pray to jesus with that mouth (Rubyredd), Monday, 24 November 2008 01:02 (eleven years ago) link

I wish i had bought that dvd when it came out

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 24 November 2008 01:12 (eleven years ago) link

Thanks, but the dollar is killing the pound ATM and it's xmas time. I will bookmark it for after xmas though!

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 6 December 2008 22:54 (eleven years ago) link

ok it's on backorder, so not really available

it's always funny until someone gets hurt and then it's just hilariou (Rubyredd), Saturday, 6 December 2008 22:55 (eleven years ago) link

ahhh. It's probably OOP. If I see anywhere selling it I will let you know.

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 6 December 2008 22:56 (eleven years ago) link

kerr, come to chatz

it's always funny until someone gets hurt and then it's just hilariou (Rubyredd), Saturday, 6 December 2008 22:57 (eleven years ago) link

eight months pass...

This performance destroyed - I really need to get this

Tim Krul ringmaster (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 06:19 (ten years ago) link

that joe preston solo album is probably the worst thing to have the word Melvins written on it.

can au jus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 06:30 (ten years ago) link

eight months pass...

new album streaming on ... NPR?


congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:30 (ten years ago) link

From something for which I started this thread to the polar opposite -- sonic air freshener for
the so-called NPR-listening umc snob/intelligentsia demographic. In five long years of toil.

Gorge, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:49 (ten years ago) link

I really like this new one. I was concerned since the descriptions indicated they were going back to their old sound, and I loved "Life ... The Best Game in Town." The new one does have the sparser, less catchy sound of their old stuff but still has some striking melodic (even pretty) moments.

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:11 (ten years ago) link

Harvey Milk is one of the best bands of any genre out there right now. So powerful, so amazingly gorgeous, brilliant musicians without ever sounding stiff or mechanical. Life... just completely blasted my mind out & the s/t recent release is perhaps just as good. Long may they melt face.

ImprovSpirit, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 20:34 (ten years ago) link

kinda bummed that life...the best game in town is generally acknowledged (hereabout) as weak sister to special wishes. i grant the greatness of the latter, but life... is an incredible album. love how it combines elements of everything they'd done prior - anguished sludge, classic rock & leftfield experimentation - without ever treading water or rehashing past glories. SW ends on an incredible high, but i prefer life... as a front-to-back listen.

contenderizer, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 20:45 (ten years ago) link

Oh yeah - I can't imagine anyone thinking Life... is weak compared to ANYTHING. It doesn't mean anything's wrong with Special Wishes, but Life... just kills it. That intense Neil Young meets Melvins guitar solo in [I beleive] the 1st song completely plowed me under. I listened to that track 3 or 4 times before proceeding to the rest of the disc.

ImprovSpirit, Thursday, 13 May 2010 19:03 (ten years ago) link

i was sort of under the impression that Life... was considered their masterpiece? it got great reviews when it came out and a lot of praise around here anyways. i have super high hopes for the new one

sonderangerbot, Thursday, 13 May 2010 20:40 (ten years ago) link

It wasn't well received by older (elitist) fans, although I did like it a lot. It wasn't quite as good as Special Wishes but it was still great. For some reason harvey milk got a lot of the anti nigel metal backlash from a lot of tossers.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 13 May 2010 20:48 (ten years ago) link

Their masterpiece is Courtesy and Good Will Toward Men. I would feel weird recommending it outright because I have never experienced such gravity at a record's center. I was depressed for weeks.

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 May 2010 20:50 (ten years ago) link

ok i can see that, and me liking it only strengthening same tossers argument... i like courtesy a lot too though, it's just a more harrowing listen


sonderangerbot, Thursday, 13 May 2010 20:54 (ten years ago) link

Courtesy is a masterpiece,and my fave, but yeah not a place to start someone off at.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 13 May 2010 20:55 (ten years ago) link

I should also add that there is no bad Harvey Milk record. I'm about to listen to the new one and I'm frightfully unprepared.

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 May 2010 20:55 (ten years ago) link

It's a tad more like older stuff, and those who didn't like life.... seem to like it more, but no doubt elitist tossers wont change their mind.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 13 May 2010 20:56 (ten years ago) link

Compared to these guys, most doom metal is fun-filled fantasy. In the destructive element immerse.

Brad C., Thursday, 13 May 2010 20:58 (ten years ago) link

I really cant be bothered with that whole "its our clubhouse we dont want that kind of listener liking our genre of music" which you seem to get in most genres of music now.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 13 May 2010 20:58 (ten years ago) link

"how dare art infiltrate our music"

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 13 May 2010 20:59 (ten years ago) link

yeah, courtesy is generally held up as the masterpiece, and that's where i came in (bought a used copy about 10 years ago). while i respect its intensity and invention, i can't call it my favorite. it's just too unrelentingly harsh and despairing.

just notices that harvey milk occur in the metalest section of my tiny lp collection: hammers of misfortune, harvey milk, hawkwind, hellacopters, helloween, high on fire...bracketed by halo of flies and robyn hitchcock.

contenderizer, Thursday, 13 May 2010 21:13 (ten years ago) link

two months pass...

Speaking of Courtesy, I just found a limited to 1000 CD issue on Reproductive Records and I'm wondering how rare it is. Listening to it currently for the first time.

Evan, Monday, 2 August 2010 20:43 (nine years ago) link

You answered your own question

van smack, Monday, 2 August 2010 21:11 (nine years ago) link

Well I know technically 1000, but I didn't know if anyone knew how desired this issue is. I only know so much about the band.

Evan, Monday, 2 August 2010 21:20 (nine years ago) link

is it the version tUMULt licensed in 2000?

a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Monday, 2 August 2010 21:29 (nine years ago) link

It looks that way, yeah. Digipak.

Evan, Monday, 2 August 2010 21:46 (nine years ago) link

nice score!

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 2 August 2010 21:50 (nine years ago) link

Thanks! I'm enjoying the album so far.

Evan, Monday, 2 August 2010 21:54 (nine years ago) link

It's great. I should think that cd is worth a lot more than you paid for it.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 2 August 2010 21:59 (nine years ago) link

Yeah. I was happy to learn it seems to be the favorite among many fans.

Evan, Monday, 2 August 2010 22:05 (nine years ago) link

five months pass...

lately i find myself walking around the workplace whistling the intro to "death goes to the winner"

congratulations (n/a), Monday, 31 January 2011 21:01 (nine years ago) link

,e too

Jacka Laroo and Tyler Too (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 31 January 2011 21:17 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

This fucking band.

Mule, Monday, 21 January 2013 21:58 (seven years ago) link

...is no more.

EZ Snappin, Monday, 21 January 2013 21:59 (seven years ago) link

They split(again)?

Mule, Monday, 21 January 2013 22:41 (seven years ago) link


congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 00:16 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, looks like it, at least for now:


Mule, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 00:37 (seven years ago) link

well shit. though it seems framed more as ambiguous time off than "breaking up"

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 00:42 (seven years ago) link

also this is a terribly written sentence: "Like Melvins, to whom they owe a debt, Harvey Milk stood alone in a style full of sound-alikes."

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 00:46 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

Haven't yet, but I am curious.

I am still so mad at myself for sleeping on Harvey Milk for so long, a great band.

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 21:24 (five years ago) link

I just remembered I own the ANTHEM DVD! I need to watch it again.

Immediate Follower (NA), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 21:30 (five years ago) link

oh shit i need to order that

the HM show at the triple rock last year(? maybe 2 years ago?) was easily in my top 5 all time.

also i really envy owners of the anthem dvd

Everyone is awful except you. Wait, no, you are also awful. (jjjusten), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 23:21 (five years ago) link

I did not go to the Triple Rock show cuz I had to go to an awful Thurston Moore show with my wife that was so boring we walked out of.

Kill me.

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 15:21 (five years ago) link

I saw them in Chicago, I'm guessing on that same tour, and it was so awesome.

I'm sad their official page is no longer up because they had the best t-shirts for sale.

Immediate Follower (NA), Wednesday, 9 July 2014 15:43 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

Thanks for reminding me to listen to the Music Blues album.

Immediate Follower (NA), Friday, 29 August 2014 14:38 (five years ago) link

Sounds unsurprisingly like an instrumental Harvey Milk album. Pretty good.

Immediate Follower (NA), Friday, 29 August 2014 15:10 (five years ago) link

Music Blues is playing on WFMU this afternoon during Brian Turner's show (3-6 p.m.).

Immediate Follower (NA), Tuesday, 2 September 2014 17:03 (five years ago) link

It's definitely not as good as Harvey Milk proper, but I like it. The punchline at the end of "The Price is Wrong" is the hardest I've genuinely lol'd at a song in years.

ƋППṍӮɨ∏ğڵșěᶉᶇдM℮ (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Saturday, 13 September 2014 04:27 (five years ago) link

three years pass...

Christmas Eve with our tree smiles saving big for last our secret secret we shared I am Santa Claus. Warm blankets on knees on couch snow and The Simpsons surprised by a my so called life marathon when I think of all of the little moments in my life I have despised I am alive and it’s good to because life is the best game in town and death goes to the winner I am alive and it’s good to be alive

na (NA), Monday, 23 April 2018 21:08 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

justice for a small turn of human kindness on decade lists

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 7 October 2019 20:26 (seven months ago) link

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