TS: Paul McCartney's "Pipes of Peace" vs "Press to Play"

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The battle of the poor-selling mid '80s Macca opuses. Y'all know my vote - just tell me to press.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 00:38 (sixteen years ago) link

Press to Play for slightly better material.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 01:18 (sixteen years ago) link

Pipes Of Peace

baht habit, Tuesday, 20 September 2005 02:38 (sixteen years ago) link

Oklahoma was never like this! Another vote for Press, please.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 05:10 (sixteen years ago) link

In fact, I am not really certain. You are speaking of clearly two of his worst ever efforts here. "Pipes Of Peace" has the title track and "The Man". On the other hand, "Press To Play" has "Press" and "Only Love Remains".

I think I choose, "Press To Play", if only for the fact that it does at least try to be something more than just one single yawn. It fails, sure, but at least that's more than just trying to sound pretty, which was seemingly the main point about "Pipes And Peace".

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 09:11 (sixteen years ago) link

Plus, there is "Only Love Remains" which is one of his best ever solo songs.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 09:12 (sixteen years ago) link

Yet another vote for "Press".

Ok, I grant you that there is a lot of extremely iffy material here (These tracks immediately spring to mind:

"Talk, More Talk" - Maccas nadir, IMO
"Move Over Busker" - Blodoy near the nadir
"Only Love Remains" - Sorry Geir, I can see what he was trying to do and nomally he does it pretty well, but this just leaves me cold)

but there is some excellent music:

"However Absurd" (it may sound a bit cliched now, - actually it did at the time - but it was the sound of a man returning to his psychedlic past and I loved him for it)
"Angry" (One of his best 'pedal to the metal' songs and it was great to hear him angry)
"Pretty Little Head" (I'm in a minority - possibly of one - but I have always loved this track, even if I do find myself singing Fletwood Mac's "Tusk" halfway through

Pipes of Peace? I cannot recommend one track - the title track is OK and that's abou it.

Guilty Boksen (Bro_Danielson), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 10:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Pips Of Peace is the superiors album for it contains three melodic hit singles - the pognant title track which say, stop the wars, and the two skintillate duos with Michael Jacson, I'm Your Man and Say Say Says, the latters with its hilarious Noel Emonds video which proplld it to number two in the hit parades. Where is Press is darling I love you very very very much. It is not exact Yesterdays is not it?

Comstock Carabineri (nostudium), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 11:01 (sixteen years ago) link

"Stranglehold" is a rather underrated single.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 11:36 (sixteen years ago) link

That's it. Right there. Yes.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 11:41 (sixteen years ago) link

i'm not at all familiar with either album, but i have a big soft spot for "so bad" from _pipes_. loved it and bought the 45 of it as a kid.

andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:33 (sixteen years ago) link

I do think Pipes of Peace is the better sounding record, fwiw.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:43 (sixteen years ago) link

There is a pain
Inside my heart,
You mean sooo much to me...

Girl, I love you.
Yes, I love you,
So Bad.

I haven't listened to that song or Pipes of Peace in over twenty years, and it's still lodged into my memory. My vote gets tipped over to Pipes.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:48 (sixteen years ago) link

The song "Pipes of Peace" is actually a really amazing production.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:52 (sixteen years ago) link

Seriously.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:52 (sixteen years ago) link

You're all wrong. The correct answer is Tug Of War.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:58 (sixteen years ago) link

The mindfucking audacity of beginning a song with "Darling...I love you VERY VERY VERY much!!" still stuns me.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Face Value

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Both covers, both nondescript:

http://www.songlyricscollection.com/lyrics/p/paul-mccartney/pipes-of-peace/pipes-of-peace.jpg

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:04 (sixteen years ago) link

(Hell, if someone's going to namecheck Tug of War, then we may as well be including Band on the Run.)

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:21 (sixteen years ago) link

Tug of War and Pipes of Peace were kind of a pair, though - the two George Martin albums.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Tug Of War is actually a childhood favourite of mine, especially "What's That You're Doin'?", which is best known for being the Stevie Wonder duet that isn't Ebony & Ivory, and is funkier than hell.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 17:17 (sixteen years ago) link

I dig it to Tantrum, but I love how Stevie leaves the white man in the dust with some impressive scatting (including the scatting of "She Loves You" quotes).

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 17:22 (sixteen years ago) link

(Hell, if someone's going to namecheck Tug of War, then we may as well be including Band on the Run.)

Tug Of War is only one album before Pipes Of Peace, no?

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 17:30 (sixteen years ago) link

"Keep Under Cover" on Pipes of Peace is a really weird song.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 17:32 (sixteen years ago) link

Tug Of War is only one album before Pipes Of Peace, no?

Yeah, but ToW isn't as notoriously mediocre as these other two albums. It wasn't released in the mid-eighties. And I'm pretty sure that it sold more copies than PoP or PtP.

For me, Pipes and Press are comparable while Tug simply blows both of 'em out of the water.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 17:38 (sixteen years ago) link

Pleasant OTM. If we are including Tug of War, the other two just aren't in the same league.

And if we're including Flowers In the Dirt (so I skipped a few albums and years, sue me)...well, thats in yet another league. Any album with That Day Is Done on it has to be a classic.

Guilty Boksen (Bro_Danielson), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 17:42 (sixteen years ago) link

Ahhh, okay, Pleasant - now I follow your logic!

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 17:53 (sixteen years ago) link

And if we're including Flowers In the Dirt (so I skipped a few albums and years, sue me)...well, thats in yet another league. Any album with That Day Is Done on it has to be a classic.

-- Guilty Boksen (jeffm.coo...), September 20th, 2005.

The three singles released from Flowers in the Dirt are all fantastic: "This One," the McCartney ballad die-hards have wanted from him since "Maybe I'm Amazed"; "Figure of Eight"; and the great "My Brave Face."

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:05 (sixteen years ago) link

"My Brave Face" is amazing!

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:42 (sixteen years ago) link

No contest. Press To Play is far superior to Pipes Of Peace. Pipes is the nadir of his career, IMO.

I haven't heard Press To Play in about 18 years. I'm not sure what a revisit would do. I'm not a big fan of PM post-Tug Of War.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:11 (sixteen years ago) link

It's worth hearing again at least for the McCartney/Martin production on the title track.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:17 (sixteen years ago) link

...except for the bridge.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:55 (sixteen years ago) link

And the video! British Paul bro's up with German Paul!

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:25 (sixteen years ago) link

What part of the song are you hearing as the bridge, Matthew?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 21:12 (sixteen years ago) link

The "In the years to come..." part with the gated drums and power chords. All it's missing is Slash rising from the golden sea to play a guitar solo.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 21:24 (sixteen years ago) link

Dude, you're thinking of "Tug of War." Or maybe I wasn't clear above. I was talking about "Pipes of Peace."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 21:25 (sixteen years ago) link

So I was. Don't remember the bridge on that one.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 21:42 (sixteen years ago) link

"Pipes Of Peace" wasn't really a poor seller, though, was it?

After all, two major hit singles were pulled from it. Plus he was at a career stage where more or less everything he touched turned into gold commercially. I mean, "Tug Of War" was a huge seller in 1982, and he followed the "Pipes Of Peace" with two big hit singles in late 1984 as well (one of which, "No More Lonely Nights", is among his better solo moments while the other one "We All Stand Together" must be the definite nadir of his solo output).

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 23:38 (sixteen years ago) link

Geir, you're citing European or British charts; "We All Stand Together" never charted here, while only "Say Say Say" and "So Bad" scored.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 00:50 (sixteen years ago) link

McCartney is a British act, so I guess European popularity must be taken into account.

"Flaming Pie", and "Young Boy" in particular, was way bigger Stateside btw.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:37 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...
McCartney loses the new wave muse starting with Tug of War. This after Back to the Egg and McCartney II. We're left with kind of a bland aesthetic. Tug of War was enough of a tour de force to be viable as the work of a brilliant guy who just didn't seem to have much of a vision for the future of rock and roll. I guess Pipes of Peace and Press to Play, for me, are just lesser versions of this (with some nice moments).

Interestingly, George Harrison didn't continue on after his two most new wave albums: Somewhere in England and Gone Troppo ("Blood from a Clone," "All Those Years Ago," "Wake up, My Love," "I Really Love You," and "Wrack My Brain" from Ringo's album). I see Cloud Nine as being more bland than these two albums in the same way that I see post-new wave McCartney as being more bland.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 19 December 2005 23:30 (sixteen years ago) link

I absolutely loved 'Only Love Remains'.

Gatinha (rwillmsen), Monday, 19 December 2005 23:58 (sixteen years ago) link

I like this narrative of McCartney dipping into new wave, playing around, and then somehow burning out on it and having not much to fill the gap - since he was evidently disinterested in revisiting the (occasionally very interesting) late-70s Wings sound from London Town and Back to the Egg. Perhaps he was afraid of sounding dated and figured sounding like a soft rock artist was at least more contemporary? On the other hand, you have the bizarre production choices on PtP and his unreleased/b-side material from this period ("Atlantic Ocean," "Ou Est Le Soleil" etc)...

AFAICT the real evolution in McCartney over the course of the 80s is the decline and fall of electric guitar from his arsenal; when it appears it tends to be as an overproduced lead, and to a forced rock effect, with "Move Over Busker" being only the most obnoxious example. (See also "Looking For Changes.") He's sounded a lot more natural, if less avant-garde, on his last few outings - acoustic, classicist pop with folky flavorings. Now I'm just off on a complete tangent, and that still leaves Run Devil Run to be accounted for, but it's time I got back to the kitchen...

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 01:37 (sixteen years ago) link

As I say, I absolutely loved 'Only Love Remains'.

Gatinha (rwillmsen), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 01:37 (sixteen years ago) link

No matter how much we intellectualize this stuff, the fact remains that even Macca's great singles of the 80s left a bad taste in your mouth. Guilty for liking even the rare brilliant stuff: "Coming Up," or more to the point, "Take It Away."

What happened? Is it silly to wonder whether Lennon's death somehow took it out of him?

Mitya (mitya), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 04:07 (sixteen years ago) link

"Coming Up" most certainly does not leave a bad taste in my mouth. "Take It Away" does come closer, but, come on, what a great melody! "Some impooooortant impresarioooo...." "No More Lonely Nights" is excellent, and the Flowers In The Dirt singles, while overproduced, are all commendable efforts. You'll have to ask Blount about "Spies Like Us" though...

If you want to discuss McCartney's slump in the 80s, by all means do, but leave his singles out of it - there were assuredly some duds, but probably not any more than there were in the 70s...

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 04:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Casiono OTM, but not by much. "Spies Like Us" and "So Bad" are rather dire, although I love "No More Lonely Nights" (great Gilmour solo), "Take it Away," and "Press." (Lennon himself liked "Coming Up" enough).

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 12:07 (sixteen years ago) link

five months pass...
Tug Of War >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pipes Of Peace
Flowers In The Dirt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Press To Play

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 28 May 2006 21:06 (fifteen years ago) link

Man, "Pretty Little Head" is so great. Even in a career absolutely strewn with bizarre lyrics foisted onto pop singles, it really stands out.

Hillmen are sworn to allegiance
Living a life of silent dignity
For your protection, only so you
Don't worry - your pretty little head!

Now that's what I want from McCartney - sorry Geir! "Only Love Remains" and "Once Upon A Long Ago" are total snoozes by comparison. At least dude was trying to stretch himself; it happened to be in the direction of a really square conception of "artiness" circa 1985 but I'll take it. "Hillsmen! Hillsmen!"

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Monday, 27 July 2015 01:10 (six years ago) link

_Yeah... it's a bit odd, because I thought he did a fantastic job on XTC's "English Settlement", and I thought the drum sound he got for Copeland on The Police's "Synchronicity" was excellent, so I do usually like his productions, just not this particular one!_

Padgam was still very much a Steve Lillywhite protege at the time of those. Not so much anymore by the time he got to "Press To Play" and other 1983 works of his like "Invisible Touch" by Genesis.

Geir was dead right about this – people are missing what Padgam was hired to bring to Press To Play. It wasn't XTC or the Ghost in the Machine-era Police. It was Invisible Touch-era Genesis – the enormous gated drums and sampled atmospherics of "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight." If you need any proof that this was a Big 80s Production Experiment, note that each song has a drawing by Paul in the liner notes of what sounds are mixed where along the stereo spectrum.

This is entirely consistent with Paul's approach in the 70s of nicking a sound he loved for his own purposes – Aja on "Arrow Through Me," Armed Forces on "Getting Closer," Before and After Science on "Summer's Day Song." It's one of the things I love about Paul and, hence, why PTP wins this for me as pretty much the whole record adopts this approach with success. And lest I be accused of fetishizing the approach over the music, I should note that Paul attempts the same thing with the Trevor Horn/Steve Lipson stuff on Flowers in the Dirt – and just about completely flubs it.

A few other points worth making: the Eric Stewart collaboration starting on Tug of War was generally a really fruitful one for Paul and "However Absurd" and "Footprints" on PTP are excellent. The latter is a minor masterpiece – the production is detailed, the melody and arrangement surprise and the lyric is pretty cool as well. OTOH, "It's Not True" (a solo credit btw) is Paul's full-throated defense of Linda and it fucking sucks.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 27 July 2015 05:33 (six years ago) link

Not to nitpick, but PTP was released in September '86, only six or eight weeks after IT. He may have wanted Big Happening Sounds but he couldn't have known IT would become a monster.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 July 2015 11:06 (six years ago) link

Fair enough – tho Padgham also worked on all the 80s Phil Collins stuff to that point as well. So Paul clearly had plenty of opportunities to familiarize himself with that sound.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 27 July 2015 12:25 (six years ago) link

Definitely. Especially his work for the Police, revered by boomers. There's an anecdote from '83 in which Mick Jagger asks Jim Barber "to play like Andy Summers."

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 July 2015 13:16 (six years ago) link

reissue business!

http://theseconddisc.com/2015/07/30/together-in-perfect-harmony-paul-mccartneys-tug-of-war-and-pipes-of-peace-join-archive-collection/

The Pipes of Peace 2-CD Special Edition consists of the original album plus a 9-track bonus disc including Spike Stent’s new 2015 remix of “Say Say Say,” demos of three album tracks, outtakes “It’s Not On” and “Simple As That,” the previously unreleased “Christian Bop” and more.

plus Tug.. gets a remixed version of the whole album?!

piscesx, Thursday, 30 July 2015 18:46 (six years ago) link

Wow, I wonder what the story is with the remix. I'll be especially looking forward to hearing that and the unreleased tracks.

timellison, Thursday, 30 July 2015 19:31 (six years ago) link

from the comments, unsure how true it is - I should explain why “Tug of War” has been remixed. While the 1982 multitrack tapes are analog, the original mixes were done at 44.1Khz/16-bit digital(all that was possible in 1982). The only way to create a 24-bit high resolution audio version of the album(for the high resolution download whose coupon will inevitably come with the boxed set) was to create a new 96Khz/24-bit mix.

just sayin, Friday, 31 July 2015 05:52 (six years ago) link

Minute and a half clip of "Tug of War" on iTunes (or you can buy the whole song for $1.29). Sounds really good. Seems like you can tell just from the clip how much the clarity and definition is going to be improved.

timellison, Friday, 31 July 2015 06:50 (six years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Here's the new "Take It Away" in "single edit" form - free download:

http://www.paulmccartney.com/news-blogs/news/free-download-take-it-away-single-edit-2015-remaster

Pretty surprising sounding. Close to mono and some things with more emphasis in the mix. One of my first thoughts was that there's not a lot of bass, but it's cool to hear a different take on it that emphasizes some different things.

timellison, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 00:09 (six years ago) link

I don't like it - much prefer the original mix.

I'm thinking now that this is the old mix! I'm listening on headphones and I can't tell placement differences. (Not as close to mono as I thought.)

timellison, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 00:28 (six years ago) link

It must be. Quite a different sounding mastering job.

timellison, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 00:36 (six years ago) link

I'm not absolutely 100% certain on this, but I have a feeling that the next album that George Martin worked on after Tug Of War was Quartet by Ultravox. Tug Of War was recorded October 1980-December 1981, along with some of Pipes Of Peace, and then there were additional sessions for Pipes Of Peace in September/October 1982 and February/July 1983. Quartet came out in October 1982, so I'm guessing that George Martin was working on that in between the release of Tug Of War and the sessions picking up again for Pipes Of Peace.

I'm thinking now that this is the old mix! I'm listening on headphones and I can't tell placement differences.

― timellison, Tuesday, August 25, 2015 12:28 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I haven't done a side-by-side comparison of the two yet, but my immediate thoughts were "lack of bass" and "there's something off about the drums here" ... I hope to god this is deliberately a poor-quality version, because it sounded quite static-y, and when the "aaaaaaahs" came in at the end with the horns (the best moment of the song for me) it seemed to lack clarity.

Yeah, it's super trebly. The "Tug of War" remix clip on iTunes is still a major reason for hope!

timellison, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 01:11 (six years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Tug of War/Pipes of Peace "micro-site":

http://archivecollections.tow-pop.paulmccartney.com/

timellison, Saturday, 19 September 2015 02:49 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I haven't heard the remixed version yet but the demos on the deluxe of Tug of War are worth hearing. The demo of "Take It Away" reveals the song to be very much a typical Paulie piano pounder, as opposed to the LA Express-ified final version.

"The Pound Is Sinking" loses the Uncle Albert-accent for its "Well I fear my dear/That it's eminently clear" bridge which makes it end of an oddly melancholy note.

"Wanderlust" is really nice in this stripped down form, just Wurlitzer piano, bass, drums, and vocals.

The best demo may be"Ebony and Ivory," which is all dreamy Rhodes and harmonies, and sounds like a sequel to "Waterfalls."

Not all of them are awesome. "Ballroom Dancing" already veered just shy of hokey and loses most of its momentum in demo form. But basically, the whole thing reinforces my belief that George Martin overproduced this record by some distance.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 13 October 2015 15:17 (six years ago) link

Yeah the "ebony" demo is lovely. Like often with macca, behind the sometimes annoying arrangements, there's a nice little song (and I don't even hate the final version of "ebony").
I wish that demo was longer.
There's also a great basic demo of "band on the run" if I remember well.

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 13 October 2015 15:49 (six years ago) link

http://youtu.be/EkfdG1K_suM

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 13 October 2015 15:57 (six years ago) link

Is that old or contemporary? Sounds like something Macca would do on tour now, or have playing over footage to set the mood before a show. Just going on the quality of his voice there.

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 13 October 2015 15:59 (six years ago) link

'Ballroom Dancing' was always more than a bit crap though, IMO. I've never liked it.

Turrican, Tuesday, 13 October 2015 16:26 (six years ago) link

Good question !
Apparently it's from the dvd deluxe reissue. I would guess it's old but not sure...

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 13 October 2015 16:34 (six years ago) link

'Ballroom Dancing' was always more than a bit crap though, IMO. I've never liked it.

No, I get that, but there is something about the plinky plonky Abba groove and melody that I've liked -- plus his vocal when he jumps up an octave is just outstanding.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 13 October 2015 17:18 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

Love this demo version of "My Brave Face." McCartney and Costello sound like they're having so much fun harmonizing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-zrV_wIH34

Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Friday, 24 February 2017 19:51 (five years ago) link

Looking forward to this reissue. I'm still put off by the fact McCartney is skipping over albums in this remaster campaign.

DavidLeeRoth, Friday, 24 February 2017 20:09 (five years ago) link

he's listening to them to the first time

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 February 2017 20:29 (five years ago) link

two years pass...

Hillmen! Hillmen! Hillmen! Hillmen!
Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh!

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 19 April 2019 20:09 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

I think most of 'Press To Play" is glorious ( first time listener) and "Talk More Talk" is an earworm.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 24 April 2021 07:49 (one year ago) link

Ursa major….. ursa minor…..

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 24 April 2021 10:14 (one year ago) link

I played PRESS TO PLAY for the first time ever, a few months ago, and I recall being struck by just one song (whatever it was).

PIPES OF PEACE, I think it's been longer since I heard but it has to be better -- the title track alone is a masterpiece.

the pinefox, Saturday, 24 April 2021 13:33 (one year ago) link

PIPES OF PEACE also contains a song that I now recall is called 'average person' which is a remarkable Macca attempt to get at the ordinary life that was no longer his.

'only love remains' must be the good one on PRESS TO PLAY.

the pinefox, Saturday, 24 April 2021 13:35 (one year ago) link

A very divisive album this “Press To Play”. Where many hear absolute crap I hear Macca and technology playing beautifully off each other. Lyrically possibly a banal mess but I’m kinda wowed by the machine slickness. Even the wailing sax on some of this feels right. At least moreso than the occasional wailing electrig gtr solos.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 24 April 2021 13:43 (one year ago) link

He plays a few of those wailing electric guitar solos too.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 24 April 2021 13:45 (one year ago) link

The weird machine reggae verses of "Good Times Coming" with those occasional ghostly pads/samples(?) floating in is just WOW. The use of gritty Emulator sampling thruout this album is superb, btw.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 26 April 2021 12:41 (one year ago) link

This is a fine headphone album.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 26 April 2021 12:41 (one year ago) link

Tracks 1-4 are a wonderful run.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 26 April 2021 12:42 (one year ago) link

yeah "Good Times Coming" is quietly a major standout for me. the transition into the chorus gets stuck in my head all the time.

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Monday, 26 April 2021 12:43 (one year ago) link

I always forget that “It’s Not True” and “Tough on a Tightrope” were CD bonus tracks on Press To Play. The latter is quite good. The former is a really weird defense of Linda:

Some People say she's a bad girl
Some people think she's a fool
Some people tell me she's no good
But I'm telling you
It's not true, it's not true, it's not true
They say that my girl's a mad girl
No saying what she might do
Some people tell me she's crazy.
But I'm telling you
It's not true, it's not true, it's not true
Ooh...ooh...ooh...They've been talking to the fellas
Ooh...ooh...ooh...Have they never heard of jealousy?
Ooh...ooh...ooh...If she helps me write the melody
I'll let the words take care of themselves.
It's not true, it's not true, it's not true
It's not true, it's not true, it's not true
Ooh...ooh...ooh...They've been talking to the fellas
Ooh...ooh...ooh...Have they never heard of jealousy?
Ooh...ooh...ooh...If she helps me write the memories
I'll let the words take care of themselves.
Some people say she's a loser
Some people tell me that she's through
Some people say I don't love her
But I'm telling you
It's not true, it's not true, it's not true
What they're saying about her isn't true
Don't you know it isn't true?
It's not true...

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 6 May 2021 23:13 (one year ago) link

seven months pass...

LET THE SUN SHINE IN
SHINE IN SHINE IN
LET THE SUN SHINE IN ON YOUUUUUU

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 11 December 2021 20:57 (five months ago) link

“Press To Play” any day. At least the first half.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 11 December 2021 21:16 (five months ago) link

“Good Times Coming/Feel the Sun” was the first thing that struck me listening at the store when I bought this used when I lived in Austin in the late 90s. I had forgotten the little keyboard solo, bass groove section tho which is kind of a hilariously funky breakdown.

The title of “Move Over Busker” has always reminded me of Buster, the Phil Collins movie. Which seems appropriate for this record.

Not sure if I mentioned it on this thread or elsewhere but Paul’s panoramic drawings in the sleeve notes of who is doing what where in the stereo mix really captures the aesthetic of PTP.

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 11 December 2021 22:02 (five months ago) link

HOWEVER ABSOID

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 12 December 2021 16:25 (five months ago) link

gave Tug of War a listen again this morning for the first time in many years, there are some unforgivable production choices on this, amazing to think of how deeply Martin allowed Take It Away to go into schmaltzland. however I liked Ballroom Dancing more than I remembered. Pound is Sinking and Wanderlust are still the standouts.

Pipes of Peace has the title track and Say Say Say going for it and not really anything else.

akm, Sunday, 12 December 2021 20:55 (five months ago) link

I’ve always loved The Man and The Other Me, which I think has an ingenious lyrical conceit.

Alba, Sunday, 12 December 2021 21:04 (five months ago) link

dustbin lid?

akm, Sunday, 12 December 2021 21:29 (five months ago) link

mazing to think of how deeply Martin allowed Take It Away to go into schmaltzland.

wau, hard disagree! The fadeout with the horn section and the Paul-Linda-Eric Stewart harmonies are goose-pimply.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 12 December 2021 21:33 (five months ago) link

Not the dustbin lid, though I enjoy that too in a weird kind of way.

Alba, Sunday, 12 December 2021 21:43 (five months ago) link

five months pass...

"Average Person" kinda sucks but is also a weird little earworm, especially the "Yes, dear, you heard right" segment. Also, the "I know for sure, one day I'm gonna be a super..." breakdown is wonderfully strange, just unfortunately pasted in to this more stately Tug of War soundscape which doesn't work for me. If it overall had a little more of a homemade 'pressed sandwich of weird synth sounds' McCartney II vibe, all horn-ish synths and imitation kazoo noises, I'd be on board! The more spacious production with the pianos and booming drums... bleah.

I dunno, I guess I should appreciate Macca once again trying to marry his really weird musings to a 'normal' pop-rock song, but....

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 12 May 2022 14:48 (one week ago) link


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