Taking another's dislike of your favorite band as a deep personal insult - C/D?

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Man, FUCK YOU TOO!

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Monday, 12 September 2005 20:29 (sixteen years ago) link

when hippies/DMB fans do it = CLASSIC

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 12 September 2005 20:32 (sixteen years ago) link

Totally classic.

I think it'll go down on the Phish thread by the end of the day.

A|ex P@reene (Pareene), Monday, 12 September 2005 20:34 (sixteen years ago) link

ts: that vs. taking another's love of a band you despise as reason to dismiss them as a human being - - - which is also, classic with dmb/phish fans.

oops (Oops), Monday, 12 September 2005 21:13 (sixteen years ago) link

severely injuring people because they like DMB = CLASSIC

richard wood johnson, Monday, 12 September 2005 21:23 (sixteen years ago) link

These are all deliciously classic. Except the latter as I like totally abhor violence man.

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Monday, 12 September 2005 22:31 (sixteen years ago) link

taking another's love of a band you despise as reason to dismiss them as a human being

One of my favorite pastimes.

ryansf (ryansf), Monday, 12 September 2005 22:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Dud if you happen to hate Killing Joke around these parts.

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Monday, 12 September 2005 22:49 (sixteen years ago) link

When I was in high school, sure. But now, who cares? It's not like I'm in the band.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 02:29 (sixteen years ago) link

Answer to the original question: ridiculous.

Also, intending the put-down of a band to be a deep personal insult: equally ridiculous.

Children!

You Lunkheads, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 02:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Most of upthread, I'm talking to you!

You Lunkheads, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 02:53 (sixteen years ago) link

this guy acted like a dick too me all day at work cuz i called jim morrison a hack

huell howser (chaki), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 02:57 (sixteen years ago) link

this guy acted like a dick too me all day at work cuz i called jim morrison a hack

Justin Guarini is a hack.

Jim Morrison was pretty damn unique. No matter how much I think the Doors are not my style, it seems pretty idiotic to call the guy a hack. He had natural talent and balls and he could carry a toon with some feeling. Was his poetry so bad? I don't know, but it certainly isn't the worst. I'd rather hear spooky songs or drinking songs than another song about a girl. "People Are Strange" is a pretty phenemonal little ditty when it's raining out and you're drunk or on acid or something.

Jim Morrison sounds fantastic on the right day. More atmosphere than most singers can ever hope to create. He seems to have written the first real obvious rebel party dude lyrics, too. He gets a million points just for the line "I woke up this morning and I got myself a beer."

Most of that shit sounds like psycho circus music with a Willy Wonka-like ring leader leading you through strange and dark rooms after someone's slipped you a mickey. This might not seem that bizarre these days, but I think The Doors were at times about the creepiest and weirdest thing going, even up against acts like Bonniwell Music Machine. Pretty cool, I always thought Halloween was fun.

Huzzah, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 03:20 (sixteen years ago) link

I take another's dislike of my favorite band as a sign of his or her inferior taste. However, I do not consider bad taste a serious character flaw. I am not insecure in my tastes, and believe I have better taste than almost everyone I know, but do not consider my good taste a significant virtue.
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Sadly (or not), this is all true.

M. V. (M.V.), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 04:17 (sixteen years ago) link

Was his poetry so bad? I don't know, but it certainly isn't the worst.

Yes, it was. Falling somewhere between Jewel and Ally Sheedy on the How Bad Was It? scale.

He gets a million points just for the line "I woke up this morning and I got myself a beer."

I'm no blues historian, but I've got this nagging feeling I just can't shake that there's a precedent.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 04:32 (sixteen years ago) link

Two things.

A) I'll side with Morrison being a hack. Except for Peace Frog, which (I will admit) is fucking brilliant.

B) M.V. (at least from my perspective) OTM. When you fail to appreciate the indisputable beauty of what I like, it merely galvanizes my urge to correct your errant ways. This statement is completely devoid of sarcasm, by the way.

John Justen (johnjusten), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 04:35 (sixteen years ago) link

On ILM I've found that saying the Beatles or Radiohead are shite elicits a "no they're not", or maybe a "fuck off".

Slagging the New fuckin' Radicals though brought on a tirade of hate.

WTF?

Sasha (sgh), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 05:02 (sixteen years ago) link

i don't mind people hating bands i like if they can express something more than 'dude, they suck!'

nevertheless, i passionately hate Ned for his blatant disregard of Superchunk

mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 05:18 (sixteen years ago) link

If Morrison was a hack, what are you guys? If you're you musically inclined at all, let's hear some tunes. How's your voice? Post some lyrics. Etc.

Maybe this is just something I've learned from hanging around with a variety of musicians my whole life, but I find it repulsive when people are critically blinded by their own interests. If you want to be an idiot, by all means, but at least preface with, "I am going to say something idiotic now!"

He's gone on to be an enduring legend. Not common with hacks.

Huzzah, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 13:00 (sixteen years ago) link

"Maybe this is just something I've learned from hanging around with a variety of musicians my whole life, but I find it repulsive when people are critically blinded by their own interests."

So why you've been hanging out with musicians your whole life?

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 13:04 (sixteen years ago) link

Obviously, I don't hang out with the same kind of musicians that you're familiar with.

Huzzah, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 13:07 (sixteen years ago) link

in light of huzzah's posts i'm saying dud to the title question

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 13:12 (sixteen years ago) link

And I don't even really like Jim Morrison.

Huzzah, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 13:15 (sixteen years ago) link

once the dude gets called enduring legend. dislike turns to outright insult. even someone as legendarily enduring as Jim. as a crooner and a poet. I be scared of anyone whose musical taste was like mine, like the old Groucho Marx joke. and who's puttin' down the Marxes?

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 13:31 (sixteen years ago) link

Anyone putting down the Marx boys is gonna have ME to contend with, the useless idiotic cocksuckers!

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 13:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Unless you're IN your favorite band, it's ridiculous to interpret dismissive comments about them as personal insults, unless they're coming from an especially unimaginative person whose comments are invariably less about the band in question and more about simply winding you up.

If someone makes a pejorative crack about a favorite band of mine, all it says to me is that they're missing out, or simply that they have different taste. If they wanna smear sickly goop like Scout Niblett or Fall Out Boy or Usher all over their ears, that's their prerogative.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:24 (sixteen years ago) link

And Jim Morrisson wasn't a hack. Overrated? Yes. Jackass? Probably. Drunkard? Definetely. But not a hack.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:25 (sixteen years ago) link

At the risk of sounding hypocritical and disengenous, I do take exception to people shit-talking about a favorite band of mine and getting their facts wrong (i.e. calling them "goths" or whatnot). I don't take it as a "deep personal insult," but it does push my buttons.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:28 (sixteen years ago) link

John and M.V. are severely OTM.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:29 (sixteen years ago) link

You can dislike a band without it being insulting, too. I've had friends in bands I actively avoid but they're still pretty good people, if annoying as musicians.

I've been assured that something is definitely wrong with my brain because I don't like DMB, though. You'd think they would be more cool about it, like "I've got my stuff, you've got your stuff, there's some overlap, it's all cool" but instead it's more like insane ranting about how I'm just being contrary and haven't really listened to the music. That shit is deeply classic when I'm in the right mood, but so very dud otherwise.

mike h. (mike h.), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:36 (sixteen years ago) link

i'll draw the lines where i damned well please...

but that doesn't ever mean i'm right

bb (bbrz), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:38 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm more annoyed by people putting my favourite music down than when they dislike my favorite movies/books. Is that just me or is music in some way closer to you/your personality than other things?

Eva van Rein (Gaia1981), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:43 (sixteen years ago) link

You model yourself after rock stars, it seems.

Am I Right?, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:45 (sixteen years ago) link

only if you hang out on ilx.

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AaronK (AaronK), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:48 (sixteen years ago) link

No amount of proselytizing will ever convince anyone to change their minds about a band. Minds aren't effectively changed by brow-beating and fans aren't won that way. I could sit here all day, and scream about how utterly crucial Group Sex by the Circle Jerks is. I could emphatically plead my case that the LP single-handedly caused a shift in the tectonic plates of rock culture, but if you don't like it ----- you don't like it. Perhaps I could encourage you to give it another listen, but I can't argue my way into convincing you to like it. Your "failure" to appreciate it, however, doesn't mean there's anything wrong with your brain, though (though I'll probably find you singularly exasperating from that point onward).

I don't hear anything exceptional about the DMB. Never have. Probably never will.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:48 (sixteen years ago) link

you know, when it comes down to it, I could care is someone dislikes something, but when you find someone that actually likes some nonsense you love, its like the world is all anew

bb (bbrz), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:49 (sixteen years ago) link

WHENN BALAS BE DOWN ON CRZY TITCH I BEE ALLL UP INN THERE FAXCCE LIEK YTOU FUCK WIHT MY MAN TITCH YOH FCUK WITH US ALAL!!!!!!

GRIMEY SIMEY, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:54 (sixteen years ago) link

bb, you mean you COULDN'T care.

Educating, One Person At A Time, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:01 (sixteen years ago) link

the problem is never that someone doesn't like what you like, it's when they express it in such a manner as to be insulting to YOU. i.e. ANYONE who likes THAT band must be completely STUPID. When people act that way sincerely, then it's only fair to take it as an insult.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:03 (sixteen years ago) link

two things(a.k.a. "Fun with Stating the Blatantly Obvious"):

1) people identify so much with their music and musical preferences are so personal that any criticism of the music becomes interpreted at personal attack. Again, "this music is me, so by attacking this music, you attack me"

2). If Morrison was a hack, what are you guys? If you're you musically inclined at all, let's hear some tunes. How's your voice? Post some lyrics. Etc.

yes, once again, unless you are more technically proficient in a particular area, ANY criticism is invalid since you obviously don't know as much or otherwise you would have already gone thru the work to do the same exact thing etc etc etc

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones. Calling someone who has by all standards succeeded beyond most people's wildest expectations a "hack" is not just ANY criticism or don't you get that?

Huzzah, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:21 (sixteen years ago) link

"Success" is no measure of greatness. Linkin Park are successful, and they're fucking hacks.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:25 (sixteen years ago) link

There are many ways to interpret the word "succeeded" and Linkin Park's "success" does not compare at all to what I meant to imply in relation to Jim Morrison.

Huzzah, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:30 (sixteen years ago) link

What about when the person's expressed dislike of your favorite (or a favorite) band includes some sort of sweeping ad-hominem that implicates you by proxy -- i.e. "[band] is for art-fags/poseurs/doddy old rockists/etc."?

disco violence (disco violence), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:48 (sixteen years ago) link

similarly, what about calls for the death of false metal?

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:49 (sixteen years ago) link

nevertheless, i passionately hate Ned for his blatant disregard of Superchunk

The feeling is mutual re: your Buckaroo Banzai loathing. Oh I seethe. *seethes*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:49 (sixteen years ago) link

Come on, I know there's a lotta contrarions around ILM who take it as a COMPLIMENT when someone starts hating on your favourite band! Depending who that person is. I've done it, haven't you?

REally, though, similar questions have been posed before, and my answer is similar: If I was to be offended by everyone who didn't share my exact tastes, I'd have to say bye-bye to a lotta friends/loved ones etc.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 16:37 (sixteen years ago) link

huzzah, are you the guy i work with?

huell howser (chaki), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 16:41 (sixteen years ago) link

Calling Morrison a hack does seem like a bit of a CHARGED remark. Obviously, some people think his lyrics are corny. But people could just as easily view Dylan's or John Lennon's lyrics as corny, really. And yet you wouldn't expect people to call them "hacks" because they don't happen to rub people the wrong way as much as Morrison does.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 17:00 (sixteen years ago) link

Taking another's dislike of your favorite band as a deep personal insult
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taking another's love of a band you despise as reason to dismiss them as a human being

How about, Taking another's dislike of your favorite band as reason to dismiss them as a human being. That's more my style. Don't get mad, get dismissive.

Billy Pilgrim (Billy Pilgrim), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 17:20 (sixteen years ago) link

taking another's love of a band you despise as reason to dismiss them as a human being

I don't know if I'm guilty of "dismissing" anyone as a "human being," but I've certainly lost some respect for people I've met who paid good money for albums by Creed, Alanis Morrisette and Kid Rock.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 17:23 (sixteen years ago) link

"Dismiss" and "human being" are definitely too far, but I was just quoting. My point was (a) I have a hard time seeing myself getting insulted because someone doesn't like a band I like, and (b) I just don't care enough about most other peoples' tastes in music that I feel any need to judge what they do and don't get into. I know what I like, I know who I trust to turn me on to stuff I don't know, and the rest of the world can go do its thing.

Billy Pilgrim (Billy Pilgrim), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 17:28 (sixteen years ago) link

I fully intend for my attacks on people's favorite bands to be personal insults!

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:56 (sixteen years ago) link

He's gone on to be an enduring legend.

HI DERE!

Teh Big Bopper (rogermexico), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 22:58 (sixteen years ago) link

HI DERE!

Meaning what? You're a completely out of touche idiot?

Curioser Still, Wednesday, 14 September 2005 02:59 (sixteen years ago) link

touche

jimmy glass (electricsound), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 03:10 (sixteen years ago) link

At the risk of sounding hypocritical and disengenous, I do take exception to people shit-talking about a favorite band of mine and getting their facts wrong (i.e. calling them "goths" or whatnot). I don't take it as a "deep personal insult," but it does push my buttons.

-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), September 14th, 2005 1:28 AM. (later)

Someone I know said the first release sounds a bit like the Cure, with more electronics.

Cybergoths?

Sasha (sgh), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 03:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Meaning what? You're a completely out of touche idiot?

meaning that if J-Mo hadn't made a certain critical career move he would now be haunting the Rainbow, barely tolerated by the staff and hoping for wry fux0rz and tourists to buy him drinks in exchange for the pleasure of smirking at his old-time stories

rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 03:20 (sixteen years ago) link

Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones. Calling someone who has by all standards succeeded beyond most people's wildest expectations a "hack" is not just ANY criticism or don't you get that?
-- Huzzah (hu...), September 13th, 2005.

I, too, aspire to be a big fat drug-addled has-been dead dude in a bathtub sometime in the future. Of course, I have always been known to shoot for the stars.

John Justen (johnjusten), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 04:06 (sixteen years ago) link

and to shoot heroin with the stars

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 04:10 (sixteen years ago) link

He wasn't that fat, really.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 04:10 (sixteen years ago) link


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