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I like 'em. What I've heard of the new album sounds a bit *too* mellow tho'. Although the title track sounds like a reggaefied Bob Dylan.

Michael Bourke, Sunday, 17 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I like them too. Though Wagner's voice can be slightly irritating when he tries to be Ray Charles. Nixon was phantastic. Live they are great as well. Almost an orchestra: I think there are at least twelve band members, many classical instruments. The kind of soul music I like (I usually dislike soul). Very calm and warm. Does Wagner sing a lot of falsetto on the new album?

alex in mainhattan, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I've been listening to the new album for the last week or so - it's certainly not as accessible as Nixon, and a lot of it is very stripped down indeed - just piano, a bit of acoustic guitar and the odd bit of percussion or distant brass, which I reckon accounts for the middling reviews it's been getting, but it's the subtelties of the record that really get me. Wisely he's dumped the falsetto altogether, which is great as I never liked it, although there is an extremely ill-advised reggae lilt to the last track. Other than that it's almost entirely gorgeous...

Matt DC, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Apart from a couple of decent horn-led trax from 'What a Man Spills', everything else I've heard has been grim.

Dr. C, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Saw them live at last year's All Tomorrows Parties. They were pretty soporific.

MarkH, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

it's certainly not as accessible as Nixon, and a lot of it is very stripped down indeed - just piano, a bit of acoustic guitar and the odd bit of percussion or distant brass,
That sounds phantastic. Almost like a Howe Gelb album. Btw not all reviews have been negative. Nude as the News gives the album 9/10.

alex in mainhattan, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

This new record needs to grow on me a bit but the few spins it has gotten so far proved favourable.

Arien, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Sod the music on the new album, let's get straight to the point.

Is there a lyric sheet included with Is A Woman? If so, can the argument between Tim Hopkins & I as to whether the protagonist of My Blue Wave is having an affair with her dog be settled yet?

David, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I miss the falsetto, but the new albums is top notch. Great for completely different reasons that Nixon was. Like Matt said, it's very subtle.

Now only if Paul Burch would make another album.

Jeff, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

only just heard nixon recently .i fucking HATE that falsetto. what is with that? therefore i cannot listen to. thank god there is none of that on 'how i quit smoking' whhich is great esp. 'the man who loved beer', obv.

ambrose, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Lambchop is useful music to fall asleep to at night. I'm a complete insomniac, and one spin of "Nixon" and I was off to never-never-land. This is not to say they're bad; they just wake that inner narcoleptic in me, for some reason. The same could be said for Low, and the more fuzzy, wimpy bits of Yo La Tengo..

So Lambchop's coming to Boston, but I'm a bit afraid of seeing them in that I'll likely fall over and go to sleep in the middle of the show.

geeta, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I think the new LP is marvellous. Mooro: there is a lyric sheet and I'm sticking to my guns on this one. my interpretation remains available, although the lyric is pretty oblique. So there.

Tim, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
I bought Nixon a little while ago & I love it -- really dig the falsetto, fwiw -- and I'm wondering which Lambchop to look for next. It's like late-period Mercury Rev but good.

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 20:25 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Nixon is fantastic. I was late to the Lambchop party as well so the only other record I have is What Another Man Spills. I don't think it's quite as good (or memorable) as Nixon, but definitely worth picking up.

Will (will), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 20:54 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

It took me a real long time to get into Nixon.. I did start to dig it when playing it during roadtrips. How does 'Is a Woman' compare?

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Thursday, 14 August 2003 07:38 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Is a Woman is a beautiful album, my fave of last year. it's structured almost like ambient electronic music in terms of the use of layers and dynamics, but performed with yer common or garden country isntruments. It's like a very beautiful and subdued ambient jazz Americana type thing, with some truly exceptional piano. I'd definitely recommend it.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 14 August 2003 07:41 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I still listen to Is A Woman about once a week... usually late and night, and I reckon it's my favourite of theirs by a mile.

Nick is OTM above... I love the way there's all this stuff going on JUST inside your field of hearing, but it feels so much more affecting out there on the periphery. The way 'Bugs' feels like its building up and up without ever really getting any faster or louder is marvellous.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 14 August 2003 08:44 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

haven't listened to it for a while. up till yankee hotel foxtrot came out (beaten by the montgolfier brothers at the end of the year) it was my fave last year. yankee hotel foxtrot didn't "age" well. the eclecticism was too strong, i guess. the lambchop album is indeed very beautiful in its minimalism and calmness. not as exuberantly warm and radiating as nixon (and their phantastic live tour at the time) but even more atmospheric and ripe. i have to give it a spin tonight to see if i still like it as much as last year.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Thursday, 14 August 2003 08:57 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Thriller is still my favourite... there's some noise tracks yoou'll never wanna hear again, but 'your fuckin' sunny day' is one of my favourite songs EVER, and stuff like 'superstar in france' and 'hey where's your girl' are really cute...

stevie (stevie), Thursday, 14 August 2003 09:21 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I dig Nixon best-ly which I realise is tedious and predictable, but I like how not-amazingly-consistent Lambchop are, I don't dislike any of the albums but the ones I really love (How I Quit Smoking, Nixon) strike me as massively colossally superior to the others and there's seemingly no predictable gradual-curve-towards-genius that you sometimes get with long-running bands. All the others have skyscraping moments of wonderness that matches the best albums (Your Fucking Sunny Day, New Cobweb Summer, Soaky Pooper one, um, the really great ones from What Another Man Spills that I can't remember the names of) but I think I basically just like them when they're at their most pop.

The Man Who Loved Beer is all time favourite ever, probably. How I Quit Smoking is insanely underrated.

Alex in Rotherham (Alex in Doncaster), Thursday, 14 August 2003 10:06 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I'm gonna have to buy How I Quit Smoking now, aren't I? Alex in Rotherham, yer a git. ;o)

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 14 August 2003 11:14 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Well spotted! You do have to buy it but you won't mind really because it's wonderful.

Alex in Rotherham (Alex in Doncaster), Thursday, 14 August 2003 12:48 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

That's alright then.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 14 August 2003 12:51 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

hank is the best lambchop release. but i can't remember the title of that song with the line 'there's lots of nice apartments around here', but it is a beautiful record. 'how i quit smoking' was fab too but not as fab. i've had slackened interest since the falsetto appeared, i don't mind it much but the rest of the songs seemed aimless and less affecting. they made a dump song great though, quite an accomplishment.

keith (keithmcl), Friday, 15 August 2003 01:55 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

now i even like the last song which is turning into a variation of "no woman no cry" on "is a woman". an awesome understated impressionist album full of space.last night it was a phantastic listen after the heat wave in germany (38 degrees celsius) of the last couple of weeks has eventually faded away.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 15 August 2003 07:33 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

five months pass...
Those of you who have heard it - talk about Aw C'mon/No You C'mon here please.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 14:37 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Heard some live stuff on the radio. Best thing was David Kilgour from The Clean

Sasha (sgh), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 14:58 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

*Who was playing wif 'em.

Sasha (sgh), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 14:59 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Cmon/Noyoucmon is supergreat, sez I. I was mightily underwhelmed by the slightness of Is A Woman and thus hugely heartened by Kurt's return to widescreen lounge/jazz/soul/country spleandour. Can't recommend it enough.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 15:15 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Most positive thing they've done in ages / ever. I am NOT going to mention Sp**k*rb*xxx/The* L*v& B*l*w in my Stylus review. They're great.

Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 15:22 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

lol I think I mentioned Guns'n'Roses in my feature!

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 15:26 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Heh. It's good but as much as I enjoy the band a lot -- got everything by 'em, etc. -- this didn't feel much like anything new and in some respects felt a bit...not underwhelming, but ultimately a bit draggy. It's hard going all at once because you long for some sort of break or change, and I think the first time that happened was on that one rock-out tune deep in the second disc!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 15:28 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

But the instrumentals! They're the heart of the record!

And haven't you got everything everyone's done?

Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 15:37 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I think I agree with Ned here... I mean, it's very nice and all but in a bit of a predictable way, and I think it lacks the melodic richness of the last couple. Also, what's going on with Kurt Wagner's singing voice - did he make a conscious decision not to hold any note for more than a fraction of a second?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 15:40 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

And haven't you got everything everyone's done?

Oh for all of Muslimgauze's work.

I sorta wish the falsetto had come out more, frankly.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 16:28 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

True.

Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 16:31 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I liked the Chester E.P., too, the record that Josh Rouse sang the tunes for.

christoff (christoff), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 19:06 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I really want to hear these.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 19:08 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

My Kurt Wagner interview here, if anyone's interested.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 30 January 2004 14:53 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Heh, not bad! :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 30 January 2004 15:43 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I got "Nixon" but only played it a few times. Two problems I ha with this album:

1. Either he can't sing or he doesn't feel too much like trying
2. I found his that-almost-means-something lyrics intensely annoying

Musically it was quite good - might drag it out again.

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 30 January 2004 17:27 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
is there anything else out there that sounds like Is a Woman?

ryan (ryan), Saturday, 16 April 2005 23:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I've met them, around in Nashville at various times, and they're nice people. But I don't get it, just seems half-baked to me. Parts of "Nixon" I kind of admire, in a way, but that singing...I've tried to get with it, many of my friends love them and keep urging me to see the light. So maybe one day I will.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 17 April 2005 01:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I have avoided Lambchop until now even though I've liked the odd track I've heard (mainly from Nixon)- my anti-Americana bias has refused to allow me to get involved.

So last week I saw Aw C'Mon/No You C'Mon for £5 and decided to take the plunge. It's good - I haven't had time to fully get to know it but there are some crackers on No You C'Mon - 'There's Still Time', 'Nothing Adventurous' 'The Producers'.

So I saw 'Is A Woman' for a fiver too. Hmm - looked a bit *sepia* for my taste but what the heck, I bought it.

What a record!! I am loving this album so much. To these crash-bang-wallop trained ears it took a couple of listens to recalibrate and then...wow! Some truly lovely melodies/chord changes and superb layering. I see what people say about the lyrics and they're not wrong...yet they work. I like the fragmented, in-and-out of sleep feel. It's *evocative*, I think. (Did I really say that?)

And I'm surprised to find out who some of the admirers are - Matt DC says some great stuff upthread! Also Tim Hopkins!

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

dr.c otm. i have the impression that our tastes are quite similar in the end. or maybe converging? is a woman is so perfect in its meditative simplicity. that album is so totally outside of our hectic times. it has a healing effect on me. whenever i put it on it soothes me, calms me down and puts a grin on my face. like a good joint.

aw cmon... is great too but i haven't listened to it a lot. the instrumentals are gorgeously melodic and instantly gratifying. but i think i would have preferred it to be condensed to just one disc.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

god I hate Nixon! Blah! why does everyone like that record?

Is A Woman is extraordinary. I kind of think you don't really need anything else by them.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

four months pass...
So, anyone hears X-Press 2 & Kurt Wagner's "Give It" tune?

Unsurprisingly, it's like a cross bewtween "Lazy" and "Up With People", with piano to the fore and a neat video that seems to take its stylistic cues from, uh, "Money For Nothing".

Your thoughts, ILM?

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 07:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...
Damaged, their 9th (or 8th, if you count Aw/No as two albums), is out on August 22nd via Merge.

Source: subtitle of their forum here.

Gushing preview & more info here.

No confirmed tracklist yet, AFAIK, but these 10 tracks are out there somewhere:

01. Paperback Bible (7:48)
02. Prepared (6:03)
03. The Rise And Fall Of The Letter P (3:36)
04. A Day Without Glasses (4:11)
05. Beers Before The Barbican (4:51)
06. I Would Have Waited Here All Day (4:02)
07. Crackers (4:11)
08. Fear (5:00)
09. Short (3:48)
10. The Decline Of Country And Western Civilization (4:36)

StanM (StanM), Monday, 15 May 2006 16:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I loved everything up to Nixon but hated the last 3 (2?). WANT MORE / DO NOT WANT...?

The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Monday, 15 May 2006 16:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I disagree (respectfully, of course.) The last couple Lambchop releases have been great. I can see why the more reserved tone might turn off some of the band's earlier fans, but Wagner remains one of the best lyricists out there and the band sounds great to me. The CoLab EP last year with Hands Off Cuba was cool too—I'm glad that they've been made a permanent addition to the band. Looking forward to Damaged!

Tyler W (tylerw), Monday, 15 May 2006 17:04 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

damn this album is beautiful

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Saturday, 23 March 2019 01:14 (three months ago) Permalink

one of the reasons i struggled (and still struggle) with flotus was bc wagner's lyrical voice was largely absent or broken into unintelligible fragments. but on this record it's back baby!!!!

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Sunday, 24 March 2019 17:09 (three months ago) Permalink

all the songs are just these weird collapsing waves of instrumental and vocal hooks

i think this is already one of my absolute favorite lambchop records

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Sunday, 24 March 2019 17:11 (three months ago) Permalink

Yeah, it's great. It demonstrates huge strides in them embracing this style that the last album only suggested ("The Hustle" aside)

Simon H., Sunday, 24 March 2019 17:20 (three months ago) Permalink

"the lasting last of you" is just... what even is that

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Sunday, 24 March 2019 17:22 (three months ago) Permalink

The harmonica solo on the opener is my fave moment of anything so far this year

Simon H., Sunday, 24 March 2019 17:35 (three months ago) Permalink

i love that solo so much

ufo, Sunday, 24 March 2019 22:53 (three months ago) Permalink

this album is maybe the closest in texture to the donkey kong country soundtrack out of anything i've ever heard

ufo, Monday, 25 March 2019 05:28 (two months ago) Permalink

oh my god y’all it’s just a vocoder

― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Friday, 22 March 2019 13:09 (three days ago) Bookmark

there's no just here.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Monday, 25 March 2019 05:55 (two months ago) Permalink

thinking about the vocal processing on this album an obvious future collaborator would be b.j. burton and from there i'm dreaming of something that pushes this album's direction even further and ends up in like... sophisti-pop meets loveless territory

something that bridges the gap between "to here knows when" (via double negative etc.) and "aquatic ambience"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5rAjOjTGtc

like push the weird underwater sophisti-pop thing further, add in a lot more echoey woodwinds and a bit of distortion here and there

ufo, Monday, 25 March 2019 06:18 (two months ago) Permalink

one of the reasons i struggled (and still struggle) with flotus was bc wagner's lyrical voice was largely absent or broken into unintelligible fragments.

Yeah I feel this to a certain extent. I like FLOTUS as an experimental/transitional record in their discography, but there’s also a reason that my favorite tracks on it are “The Hustle” and “In Care Of…” - at the end of the day his words are the main draw for me. A 2nd FLOTUS would have been kind of a letdown for me, glad to hear that this has more focus on lyrics.

One Eye Open, Monday, 25 March 2019 12:57 (two months ago) Permalink

the opener on this is like a warm bath to me

PaulDananVEVO (||||||||), Monday, 25 March 2019 13:04 (two months ago) Permalink

I'm quite literally in a warm bath listening to this and somehow my shitty phone speaker is helping this make sense: when I think back to what I've always loved about Lambchop, it's really Wagner and his voice and words that mean the most - the warp and weft of the incredible bands he amasses are like an extraordinary bonus; it's this that's coming through loud and clear third time around. I'll happily grow old with him.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Monday, 25 March 2019 19:09 (two months ago) Permalink

"the lasting last of you" is just... what even is that

― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Sunday, March 24, 2019 12:22 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's nearly overwhelmingly gorgeous, is what it is.

Neus Anneus (voodoo chili), Monday, 25 March 2019 22:18 (two months ago) Permalink

most of the tracks on FLOTUS just feel like experimental sketches exploring the possibility of the new sound palette they'd developed but with little in the way of traditional songs. "The Hustle" is a triumph of course, and the rest of the album has its moments but it doesn't really do much for me as an album.

the new album takes the sound palette established on FLOTUS but has much stronger and more traditional songwriting - despite the sound the songs really don't feel very far removed from say Is A Woman - and the result is a triumph

ufo, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 01:26 (two months ago) Permalink

Looking forward to listening to this and revisiting earlier works for context. Hitting Silver Platters today for this and These New Puritans, then a sandwich from Paseo. That's a good afternoon!

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 15:38 (two months ago) Permalink

I'd say that FLOTUS gets by on the strength of In Care of 8675309 and The Hustle and the rest of the in between sketches.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 16:54 (two months ago) Permalink

Just picked this up today and LOL'd at the quote on the hype sticker: "Picture yourself on a boat on a river, with tangerine trees and marmalade skies... This is not that." - Kurt Wagner

One Eye Open, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 21:24 (two months ago) Permalink

Just got back home in Houston after traveling in Japan for a week. I had loaded lots of new music on the Nano, but the only thing i listened to the entire trip was This (Is What I Wanted To Tell You) on repeat. It was perfect for airports and wandering unfamiliar streets. Dozing on the plane and waking up to it. The album just gets better and unfolds itself the more it plays.

I enjoyed FLOTUS a lot, but I agree that this beats it easily.

Cow_Art, Sunday, 7 April 2019 19:34 (two months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

god i LOVE this album, warm bath otm

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 09:51 (one week ago) Permalink

still quite possibly my aoty

ufo, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 09:59 (one week ago) Permalink

a great choice

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 14:10 (one week ago) Permalink

it is fighting with copeland and cate le bon for me rn and it may win

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 14:10 (one week ago) Permalink

it's amazing that this thing is so smooth and beautifully-formed yet doesn't achieve that by traditional means at all. the songs are constructed as if they were overlapping waves, arriving from and flowing out into every direction at once

cw: i'm bringing up rym but i find it hilarious that they hate this record bc i think it sounds like... properly "new" music? never heard anything like this before, and it's carried off so successfully, with such a sure hand

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 14:16 (one week ago) Permalink

the spin review really nailed it https://www.spin.com/2019/03/lambchop-this-is-what-i-wanted-to-tell-you-review/

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 15:54 (one week ago) Permalink

Sheesh Brad, you weren't kidding. It's a fabulous review. It gets right what all the others seemingly don't understand. It highlights why Wagner's turn to auto-tune isn't just a gimmick but is taking his music to a whole new level:

"Rather than cloaking or recasting the Nashville songwriter’s singing, the vocoder-style effect enhances and highlights its various aspects, like the sun hitting the same objects in a living room at different times of day."

This is a metaphor so beautiful and true I wish I'd written it.

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 22:11 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah it's really funny how much rym hates it seemingly just for "wtf why does he have autotune on his voice" when its one of the most interesting and best uses of it as an effect i've ever heard, works so wonderfully with the music. helps that the songs are so wonderful too.

ufo, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 04:18 (one week ago) Permalink

what if you just dgaf about the creative deployment of the effect and just plain hate the sound of autotune? Like the way people hate slap bass and banjos? Because that would describe me and also why I find this album unlistenable (I loved FLOTUS)

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 13:09 (one week ago) Permalink

Then peace be with you, friend

One Eye Open, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 13:15 (one week ago) Permalink

otm, hating the sound of an instrument or an effect is a very personal reaction that has little to do with whether the music works or not, thankfully there are so many lambchop records that do not use autotune

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 14:10 (one week ago) Permalink

well FLOTUS had the same effect everywhere too so idk but i love the way it sounds a lot more on this album

ufo, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 14:11 (one week ago) Permalink

FLOTUS also uses autotune on most of the songs, doesn't it?

Tim, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 14:13 (one week ago) Permalink

yes

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 14:14 (one week ago) Permalink

and i'd also agree it sounds even better on the new one

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 14:15 (one week ago) Permalink

LOL, I thought you all *were* talking about FLOTUS and that FLOTUS *was* the new album! I guess I'm too far out of the Lambchop loop, sorry Lambchop.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 14:15 (one week ago) Permalink

So loving FLOTUS and not being able to tolerate the sound of autotune seem like tough things to reconcile?

Tim, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 14:26 (one week ago) Permalink

(NB I haven't heard the new one yet and am very excited to do so because I too loved FLOTUS but I thought the autotune on that was amazing and surprising.)

Tim, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 14:27 (one week ago) Permalink

i mean i'm just guessing at paul's position (which i find unreasonably dismissive but i was trying to be nice) but it might help that flotus is a bunch of vocodered scribbles and fragments bound by two enormous songs, whereas this (is what i wanted to tell you) is a collection of songs where the vocoder is conveying clear lyrics and melodies that, by nature of the effect, end up oblique and wandering

again, not sure where the problem is

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 14:32 (one week ago) Permalink

also that "in care of" is an old school lambchop song that happens to have kurt singing through a vocoder and almost nothing on this qualifies as an old school lambchop song

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 14:34 (one week ago) Permalink

I liked FLOTUS in spite of the autotune (and tbf when I think of FLOTUS I mostly just think "The Hustle"), but when I heard the new album it occurred to me that FLOTUS was not just an anomaly and that "oh, I see, this is what Kurt does now" and it just grated on me. But I still love this band and will continue rooting for them, I just can't deal with that sound

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 14:44 (one week ago) Permalink

True that The Hustle kind of towers over FLOTUS. I dig the new record, but I can def relate to the feeling of a band you like taking a left turn on a new album and liking it while simultaneously feeling "if this is their new thing I might be out"

One Eye Open, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 14:50 (one week ago) Permalink

yes, that's exactly otm

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 14:58 (one week ago) Permalink

Autotune isn't a vocoder. A vocoder preserves certain aspects of the voice and applies them to a different carrier, so the mechanical carrier (e.g. a synth) sounds more human. Autotune flattens out those uniquely human aspects and makes the human sound mechanical.

The Pingularity (ledge), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 15:04 (one week ago) Permalink

i mean they're not completely dissimilar and if you like both that's fine, but there's good reason not to conflate the two.

The Pingularity (ledge), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 15:16 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah i'm aware of that, i read how to wreck a nice beach xp

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 15:16 (one week ago) Permalink

kurt's use of the technology feels way more vocodery to me than the wide range of possibilities suggested by the word "autotune"

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 15:20 (one week ago) Permalink

and it's still an instance of something human being exported to something mechanical

Autotune flattens out those uniquely human aspects and makes the human sound mechanical.

feel free to correct me if this definition is scientifically accurate but i wouldn't say autotune flattens uniquely human aspects of the voice at all, it exposes a lot of instabilities in the voice that performance can cover up

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 15:25 (one week ago) Permalink

but I can def relate to the feeling of a band you like taking a left turn on a new album and liking it while simultaneously feeling "if this is their new thing I might be out"

― One Eye Open, Wednesday, June 12, 2019 10:50 AM (thirty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Sun Kil Moon - Benji

Evan, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 15:29 (one week ago) Permalink

xp clearly we're in ear of the beholder territory here, i don't hear it like that but I'm not going to try to talk you out of it if you do!

The Pingularity (ledge), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 15:35 (one week ago) Permalink

Just listened to the album for the first time lol, I am very happy for you people who can appreciate the autotune because that excepted, some of the songs are obviously so good; but I just can't get over it. When the last (non-autotuned) song came on I almost wept.

The Pingularity (ledge), Thursday, 13 June 2019 09:12 (one week ago) Permalink


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