Weezer -- Classic or Dud?

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Oh, just idly curious, that's all.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

nobody in britain has ever heard anything aside from that risible buddy holly dirge, and as such its hard to place them any further up the evolutionary scale than, say, the perpetrators of the lump song or the scooby snacks song. they have redeeming qualities then?

cw, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

good first cd, better second, then nothing for years. i hate that. and all their shows here in milwaukee sell out. i never get to go. i hate that. im going to call them dud so less people will like them and i'll be able to see them. oh yeah.

Kevin Enas, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

They are a bona fide classic!!!! Got my concert tickets today!! I think alot of people in Britain know them, well me and my friends do. Pinkerton is a brilliant album. And I love the fact that Rivers keeps going back to education, which is what I plan to do too! :)

jel, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

They just sound like run-of-the-mill nerd-punk to me. What's supposed to be special about them ?

Patrick, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Weezer have a joke image in the UK, even the NME/Steve Sutherland pokes fun at them.

However reading US magazines, CMJ and Alternative Press and looking at some internet forums some yanks seem to rate them i.e college rock kids and that dreaded word emo.

I suppose the UK equivalent not in sound but in a stereotypical cult guitar band following in Britain would be Hefner - Who have a following in Lammo/Peel circles/ fanzines.

Weezer are not for me.

Weezer are lightweight and insignificant, like bubblegum they are disposable, for some a three minute single may be enjoyable but after there is no flavour or substance.

DJ Martian, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh cool! The NME laughs at them? Sounds like a recommendation to me!

jel, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I know that a number of people are going to post on this board claiming that Weezer are just another banal pop/rock band. I also know that FT's got Josh and now Nanette to defend them. But here's what makes Weezer different (for me, anyway) from the innumerable indie-pop, modern pop/rock etc. etc. records out there: Apart from every tune being furiously catchy there are some impeccable *moments* on their discs: consider Rivers Cuomo's shouting "I ain't gonna hurt nobody/I ain't gonna cause a scene/Just want to admit that I want sugar in my tea/Hear me, Hear me, I want sugar in my tea!" over angry, crunchy faux-"cock rock" guitars. The whole of Pinkerton feels like it was recorded at 3 am ( by a very capable songwriter, though) in a fit of emasculated wimp-rage and there's a genuine, passionately angry sincerity that runs through it, the kinda thing that makes emo seem like a good idea. "Power Pop" is pretty much seen as an insult nowadays, but if the genre has it's peaks (like most do), then Weezer is definitely one of them. I feel like I've left out something, but I trust that Josh'll fill in the blanks.

Mitch Surnamewithheld, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, don't think there is much Emo about Weezer. Emo is humourless (no offence!), Weezer aren't.

jel, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

for having the temerity to even ASK such a question, i propose:

ned raggett: classic or dud.

OBVIOUSLY dud. i mean, did you see that aicon picture?

anyhow, i don't much like weezer. and i say this on the basis of hearing three songs. they seem to have a strong cult of personality built up, cf. brian wilson in the 70s -- "rivers cuomo went to HARVARD! he recorded like ten albums, but destroyed them all! he got braces! he's INSANE!" is this part of the charm or is it all about the music? or both?

josh, speak! interesting that his name was invoked because i've always believed that weezer fell under the made-up genre heading of "josh rock."

fred solinger, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

DJ Martian laughs at them? I must get my copy of the first album out again. Has to be Classic.

Greg, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Weezer isn't emo, or college rock (middle school rock, maybe), or any other bullshit: they're the only fucking band that matters! Pinkerton (on its good days and shuffled properly) is the greatest album ever recorded. Chorus to their upcoming "single", "Hash Pipe": "You've got your problems / I've got my hash pipe".

Kris, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

kris, this seems as fair a forum as any for me to say this: increasingly, i'm beginning to think that you and otis are the same person. contemplate and discuss. ;)

fred "lefty" solinger, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Like everyone else from the UK I only know Buddy Holly. They also had a song about a sweater, which puts them on a level with Sultans of Ping FC. I know however that this doesn't allow me to judge.

So I asked Maura about them. Maura'll know, I thought. She said an interesting thing, which is that it's the big gap between records which has created the Weezer myth/mystique. Which got me thinking: Weezer turn up playing catchy, clever, knowing pop songs after a very dour, angsty period. So culturally speaking they're the US Blur. But also they record a kinda retro record at just the right time then duck out of sight and delay a follow-up for years. So culturally speaking they're *also* the US Stone Roses. So it's hardly surprising they're so rated (overrated?).

Tom, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

actually there would be many who would claim weezer invented emo. the undeniable fact is that the emo kids saved them from obscurity when the rest of the world had forgotten them by snapping up huge quantities of the first record long after its release. his metal tendencies are a bit grating and his lyrics make bob wratten seem secure, and yet they were a refreshing site on mtv during the dark ages of grunge so somewhere closer to not dud.

keith, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The video for Buddy Holly is CLASSIC. Look at the Fonz do his Russian dance! Bow down to the power of Forrest Gump technology! Still one of the best videos of all time.

Ally, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Gosh, so many things to respond to. I don't want to look like I'm monopolizing the discussion but so I don't have to think of everything all in one reply, I'm just going to reply a bunch. Fred: about the cult business. I don't know about other people, but I know, um... about Rivers Cuomo's gimp leg, and about his going to Harvard, and that's about it. I can't this has really affected what I think of the band, any. Generally all I have to go on is these two CDs...

Josh, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Tom: I don't know how useful your historical idea is for explaining why people liked Weezer. I can only speak from my own experience, of course, but my experience as a listener from 90 - 96 wasn't just a succession of monolithic tastes, each of which constituted a response to the previous. It was all mixed together. After Cobain offed himself, I didn't stop listening to Nirvana, or any other grunge either. I didn't stop once Weezer arrived, and I didn't (as far as I can tell, but maybe you'd like to impute the attitude to me, not sure how we'd tell if you are right about what I was like then, though) see them as some kind of cheery antidote to my gloomy years of flannel-wearing sludge worship (again, a mistaken way to view things: even during that time, for me and I think many of my peers, music was a lot less homogenous than picturing it in terms of the historical trends now taken to be dominant would lead one to believe).

Josh, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't want to get into what the what is emo debate again...the Wipers invented one kind of emo, Fugazi (or Embrace or whatever) another, Heroin maybe another, Drive Like Jehu maybe another, only the Wipers have anything to do with Weezer and I doubt anyone in Weezer has ever heard of the Wipers, and I don't think too many Weezer fans care what emo is either, judging from their show the other day their average age is no higher than the average age of the average Offspring fan, which is to say slightly higher than the average N*Sync fan, and there ain't much emo on Radio Disney or WWF Raw last I checked so they wouldn't likely know Emo from Wilson Phillips anyway. About lefty's me=Otis theory, nope try again; great minds may think alike (mine's barely serviceable, actually) and Otis is pretty hip for a hippie, but he's still a hippie and me I am a punk rock scientist.

Kris, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The first album is a classic, one of the few albums I listened to when I was fourteen that I can still enjoy now. Totally endearing geek-rock, goofy and lightweight and sunny, with touches of dark humor. The sweetly wimpish voice wrestles comically with the loud guitars (the bullied nerds taking revenge by turning the amps to 11 and rocking out).

The big singles are great, but I have a special fondness for "In The Garage", with its too-honest snapshot of the geek's private retreat: "I've got the Dungeon Master's Guide / I've got a 12-sided die / I've got Kitty Pryde / and Nightcrawler too / Waiting there for me / Yes I do, I do" Weezer wasn't my high school experience, but it sure could have been.

I have big misgivings about the much-hyped comeback though. BIG misgivings.

Ian White, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Lightweight and insignificant... Martian, haven't you ever been in love? Pinkerton is emotionally and sonically one of the heaviest, most flesh-rending albums I know. I mean, it's no darkwave, but...

Josh, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, Fred, I always thought Kris and Otie were the same person. I've just had trouble figuring out whether one is real and the other an assumed persona, or if maybe they're both made-up. Maybe it's really Ned being both!

Josh, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Dud of course...but this was a wind-up by Ned that got horribly out of hand, wasn't it Ned?

Omar, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

until like a couple weeks ago i had no opinion one way or the other really. seemed ok, nothing more. they don't really seem to have much of a profile in britain do they, just 'buddy holly' which seemed to be seen as a bit of a joke song.

but. happened to get their album out the library and i'm converted. 'only in dreams' is classic, rest pretty good too.

gareth, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Josh has a great point here - does anybody besides ignorant journalists over-generalizing for articles really believe that the early 90s were that sad and gloomy ? It didn't feel that way to me, and not just because I liked Nirvana and co. The charts were as full of, say, R. Kelly and Mariah Carey and Enya and Hootie & The Blowfish as before and since. And even among successful alt-rock bands, for every intense Soundgarden (or whoever), you had your novelty acts like, say, Presidents Of The United States Of America, or cheerful hard-rock sluts like Urge Overkill.

Patrick, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

What wind-up? I knew exactly what I was doing when I posted that. ;-)

As for me being Kris and Otis -- I like that. Actually, maybe I'm inventing all of you except Tom to make him feel like he's got a popular forum. ;-)

And I never said my own opinion on the matter -- eh. Unduly worshipped, and the Dream Warriors did the twelve-sided dice thing better anyway.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Yay for the Dream Warriors ! I'm relieved that I agree with Ned on *something*.

Patrick, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Your e-mail address also indicates you like the Super Furry Animals, "Calimero" being the name of a godlike B-side of theirs. Ergo, we have two things to agree on. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually, I got Calimero from the european cartoon with the whiny little black duck. I had no idea that it was also an SFA song, until Kathleen of Pearls That Are His Eyes told me. I do like both songs I've heard from them though !

Patrick, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

My only experience of Weezer was when my home connection was down and I found myself (it's a long story) in an internet cafe in Crewkerne which, for at least an hour non-stop, played the "Buddy Holly" video on repeat. Right behind where I was sitting. An enervating experience. Almost had me sounding like Vaughan Simons. Almost.

Robin Carmody, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i've checked my course catalog and sadly no courses discussing 'emo theory'. i thought the early 90s were a wretched time for popular music, i was stuck in my car driving an hour to school each day and the alternateen station was filled with endless hours of very "serious" black sabbath wannabes causing me to tear my hair out until i finally, rejoice, installed a cassette player. kraco was my salvation. i guess i was just a bitter shoegazer.

keith, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I have become convinced, through age and the passing of time, that Only In Dreams should have been our generation's great make out anthem: soft, bass heavy, self-conciously romantic lyrics and an orgasmic drum explosion at the six minute mark -- just about as long as you could last in those days. And we should have all danced to it at our junior high dance, and so every time we hear the song today we would think of the one that got away -- our first love, the girl down the road with braces and knocked knees and how we had no real idea of the feelings we were having for her, only that they were Real. The song should have been huge dammit. It's bigger than all of us.

JM, Friday, 23 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Hmmm, how about Clud. I think about half of their songs are freakin' great, and half are very pedestrian. I dunno, I think they walk a VERY fine line with their sound/songwriting. Its very close to a lot of crap so if they don't hit dead on or stray from their path, they wind up sounding like shit. 'Pink Triangle' and 'Across the Sea' are freakin' great tunes. I also love the song 'Buddy Holly'. I can see how some people might find it annyong but I think its hilarious. Don't like that Sweater Song though.

Tim Baier, Friday, 23 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i have never liked "hits" and wonder why everyone talks about them so much. most music on the radio or mtv is shitty pop or rap.so. why? get the albums because most hits are just that on the record. hits. made for people to buy more copies and get more $ for members. i firmly believe in full album ranting and single hating. yeah.

Kevin Enas, Friday, 23 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic just because of the second half of Pinkerton. I can forgive all of the filler just because few albums can boast 3 consecutive songs as good as "The Good Life", "El Scorcho" and "Pink Triangle". Now, if they could stretch that obvious brilliance into 11 or 12 songs...

Edward Okulicz, Sunday, 25 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
I Think they are Classic as HELL! I love these guys! Music was written as a vehicle for expression & this just one side of the spectrum, & damn, do they do it so well! Those who don't enjoy it now might enjoy it later. FUCK IT if it's EMO or not. These Limeys with their dry wit sicken & despise me. Please stop being afraid of embarrasing yourselves & just be real for once in your sad depressing little nancy boy lives. I'm sure this comment will either get some more of their humorless dry wit as backlash but that's expected. "The Sun never sets on the British Empire", well the sun never sets ON MY ASSHOLE! By the way I LOVE THE CLASH! THEY RULE! WOO HOO!

ChoopyTrags, Wednesday, 9 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

That is the best post I've read all day today. Thank you.

Ally, Wednesday, 9 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

You're welcome!

ChoopyTrags, Wednesday, 9 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

WEEZER IS KING!!!! Ive loved weezer since they were at they're lowest and through it all ive seen an immense fan base grow from a seemingly dead band. Which shows too well this band is a CLASSIC. Its one of the only bands where people of almost all genders, sexes, and musical backgrounds can listen too, and at least (AT LEAST) be somewhat entertained. They have such following cause its impossible not to connect with they're songs, especially on pinkerton. If youve ever been in love with someone who didnt know who you were, or Just fuckin pissed off at your girlfreind, or been in love with a lesbian, its almost impossible not to think those songs wernt written about YOU. You cant classify weezer, they are just too fuckin good.

Adrian, Thursday, 10 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

YES I CAN, THEY ARE FUCKING GENIUSES(Or more like Rivers is a good songwriter)!

ChoopyTrags, Thursday, 10 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

What an obnoxious little shit.

DG, Friday, 11 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The aol message boards are that-a-way, kids...

http://www.aol.com

Nicole, Friday, 11 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

but this is a weezer thread. weezer fans should be on it, right?

danny, Friday, 11 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"Excuse me but may I fart?" -Any British person you choose

ChoopyTrags, Saturday, 12 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I've liked Weezer for a long time now. I think they're a kick-ass band. With the await for the new album i've heard that it's sub-pair (sub-pair with only two albums-well whatever). I also heard Rivers say that he knows the lyrics are shit but he doesn't care. I think that maybe he's bitter because Pinkerton wasn't recieved as it should have been. I mean come on, Pinkerton was fuckin great, Rivers poured his heart and soul into that album. Well i'll just have to wait to see what happens with the Green Album, hopefully i'll be content, but no matter what happens i'll always have Pinkerton, and so that to me makes Weezer a classic

Brian Langel, Saturday, 12 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I heard Rivers has decided not right anymore personal songs anymore. Just fluffy songs. You know out of all the material he's been writing, some of the songs on the new album could've been chosen much more wisely. I think they've should've added Preacher's Son to the album. That song kicks ass. Oh Well, Rivers is fucked up but I dig him. He IS THE LORD GOD KING OF EMO (or so I'm told)

ChoopyTrags, Sunday, 13 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Come to think of it, you might be Robin as well. I'm going for a lie down...

DG, Sunday, 13 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Nope. I was "danny", though, but nobody else on this thread.

This is truly bizarre: "Brian Langel"'s email address is one letter away from being Jamie Ashley and Sarah Hutchings's band ...

Robin Carmody, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

all i know is that if i was stranded on a desert island, and i could only take one bands music with me, it'd be the beatles, but a close second to that would be weezer, and that, to me, means they are classic.

carla emmerson, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

They had a band named ragnarok@email.com? What a dumb name for a band.

Josh, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The best Weezer song of all time is the one where Rivers Cuomo just lists the age of consent of every Japanese prefecture

— stefan heck (@boring_as_heck) April 26, 2017

i n f i n i t y (∞), Thursday, 4 May 2017 21:49 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Bush did 9/11

— Rivers Cuomo (@RiversCuomo) June 20, 2017

the ghost of markers, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 05:11 (two years ago) link

four months pass...

So... there's a new album!

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Tuesday, 31 October 2017 18:57 (one year ago) link

*fart*

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 19:07 (one year ago) link

Ha!

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Tuesday, 31 October 2017 19:12 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

lmao that's really well done

ufo, Friday, 5 January 2018 02:34 (one year ago) link

woulda never thought to call weezer "nirvana in a major key" but there you are

Not bad, though this is probably my favorite "Poppy" take on Smells Like Teen Spirit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnAgMvSJmcA

MarkoP, Friday, 5 January 2018 03:38 (one year ago) link

That first one sounds much more like Third Eye Blind

PaulTMA, Friday, 5 January 2018 12:27 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

The Black Album is the worst music I've ever heard in my life

kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 6 March 2019 21:03 (six months ago) link

I'd say "worst music I've ever heard in my life" is maybe underselling it a tad but practically every track makes me want to listen to something else. "Can't Knock the Hustle" is just a really bad modern Cake song. "Living in LA" rips a hook from The Police. "Piece of Cake" is like Dukes of Stratosphear with a lobotomy. And so on. I can't believe Rivers is 50 years old and still writing songs like this; I've never encountered a successful musician with less to say.

frogbs, Thursday, 7 March 2019 19:52 (six months ago) link

I keep seeing Weezer everywhere lately, and it feels like they weirdly might be like...the most popular rock band for non-music nerds right now? Along with....Queen again? I didn't realise they were classroom-instruments-and-barbershop-skit-on-Fallon big. Music's weird, man.

triggercut, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 09:27 (six months ago) link

Didn't they just release an all covers album on the heels of Africa?

calumy (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 12:32 (six months ago) link

they were and are garbage

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 16:48 (six months ago) link

the white album is so fucking good, it's a shame rivers is like... an extremely cynical songwriter?

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:10 (six months ago) link

Who would have thought they would be the last (?) '90s radio rock band standing

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:11 (six months ago) link

Pearl Jam and the Foos still going.

Simon H., Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:19 (six months ago) link

Dare I say it, half of the Black Album is fine. Byzantine especially:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWzThKlk2Ac

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:27 (six months ago) link

PJ isn't making many albums (especially widely popular ones), are they? Foo Fighters probably are, idk, I always forget how many people seem to like them.

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:31 (six months ago) link

PJ pretty consistently make records every 3-5 years and never took a hiatus like Weezer/Rivers did. The records are definitely the secondary consideration compared to touring, though. (By a lot, at this point.)

Simon H., Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:41 (six months ago) link

I never understood why Weezer had this sort of eternal popularity on the backs of two decent albums instead of say, Everclear

Rivers being sort of a troll probably has something to do with it

frogbs, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:47 (six months ago) link

god i had forgotten about everclear

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:49 (six months ago) link

So Much For the Afterglow is better than both of Weez's "classic" albums in my opinion

frogbs, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:51 (six months ago) link

i liked that album at the time but can't remember anything about it.

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:53 (six months ago) link

worth revisiting, pretty perfect record

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 18:05 (six months ago) link

Everything Will Be Alright was about half ok.
White Album was actually solid.
2 or 3 songs on Pacific Daydream were ok.

Teal/Black are garbage - zero jams. RIP

billstevejim, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 04:10 (six months ago) link

the singles and the reviews made me expect that the black album would have a lot more actively terrible musical decisions on it than it did but unfortunately the rest of the album was mostly just bland and poorly executed pop rock, meaning it wasn't even as entertaining of a trainwreck as raditude was

ufo, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 04:27 (six months ago) link

i guess it's a bit disappointing that rivers is back to following his worst impulses after three albums that ranged from relatively pleasant (ewbaite, pacific daydream) to quite good (white) but there's really so little reason to have expected anything at all from this band these days so i can't complain at all

ufo, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 04:31 (six months ago) link

I never understood why Weezer had this sort of eternal popularity on the backs of two decent albums instead of say, Everclear

Feel like this is 100% the fault of people my age +/- two years (class of 2000) who were the core of the backlash to the Pinkerton backlash.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 04:59 (six months ago) link

(class of 2000)

h.s. or college(?)

What's that Phish song that goes "Bag it, Tag it"? (morrisp), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 05:16 (six months ago) link

Pinkerton University

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 05:19 (six months ago) link

lol

What's that Phish song that goes "Bag it, Tag it"? (morrisp), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 05:25 (six months ago) link

Everclear's '90s singles all sound like boomer-grunge to me. No weirdness. No sense of humor. I've tried to get into them many times, but they're way too VH1 imo.

billstevejim, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 22:57 (six months ago) link

always thought of them as a grunge/power-pop hybrid with an emphasis on the latter

Simon H., Wednesday, 13 March 2019 23:09 (six months ago) link

It's funny how their career after their third album has seemed mostly like an exercise in pissing off as much of their old fanbase as much as possible.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 14 March 2019 13:40 (six months ago) link

should i post “white album >> pinkerton” in the controp thread or just leave it here

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 March 2019 14:15 (six months ago) link

You should post it on a Weezer forum!

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 14 March 2019 14:39 (six months ago) link

I'm more likely to listen to Everything Will Be Alright in the End over Pinkerton these days, fwiw.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 14 March 2019 14:40 (six months ago) link

it makes me furious that rivers is capable of writing songs like "girl we got a good thing" and "wind in our sail" and just mostly doesn't!

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 March 2019 14:43 (six months ago) link

i'm entirely with brad on "white >> pinkerton"

ufo, Thursday, 14 March 2019 14:48 (six months ago) link

Yeah, it's not like he can't deliver the goods! This is ultimately the most frustrating thing. I wouldn't be so annoyed about his worst material if his great material hadn't been so good.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 14 March 2019 16:51 (six months ago) link

I should give White a proper listen. I thought Red had a few jams.

Simon H., Thursday, 14 March 2019 16:54 (six months ago) link

It did, but it also had some embarrassing tripe.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 14 March 2019 16:54 (six months ago) link

This sounds like the same exact conversation us Sun Kil Moon fans are having these days

Evan, Thursday, 14 March 2019 17:04 (six months ago) link

I resist the idea that any of the last...five?...SKM releases have contained any jams at all

Simon H., Thursday, 14 March 2019 17:12 (six months ago) link

Well, not THAT exact, but tbf I have seen people citing "jams" here and there from recent albums. I can't be bothered to look into it myself. The guy retired with "Young Love" for me.

More broadly I meant that there were some great albums, then this huge drop that produced material way beyond parody that is so hard to understand the why and the how, and the frustrating realization that there are fans that actually prefer that direction and enable it.

Anyway, Weezer.

Evan, Thursday, 14 March 2019 17:31 (six months ago) link

five months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl-hSj3gnks

best weezer song i've heard since the white album. new album van weezer (lmao) out next may

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 16:47 (one week ago) link

that's indeed pretty good! it's cool how rivers showing he can indeed make good music for a whole album if he wants to after all this time has only made him an even more frustrating figure

ufo, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:50 (one week ago) link

it's kinda like what i'd imagine a more successful version of maladroit would sound like lol

ufo, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:55 (one week ago) link


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