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are the disappointing sales going to break SFA up??? How come their album didn't reach top ten after good midweek sales (number 7)

paulx, Thursday, 1 September 2005 14:20 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Love Kraft just no. 19 in the UK - what the fuck???

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 1 September 2005 14:22 (twelve years ago) Permalink

six years pass...

Cian Ciaran, the keyboard player, just released his album this past Monday. As a long-time fan, I am pleased and even a little bit shocked at how good it is. The LP is just as good as Gruff's solo efforts.

Here is the Spotify link: http://open.spotify.com/album/0br5g7CaWyvJnLZUsrdTmg

afriendlypioneer, Friday, 27 July 2012 14:41 (five years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

revisiting this after not listening to it since release: https://soundcloud.com/acid-casuals/alto-due-pugnali-e-mezzo

damn good track.

afriendlypioneer, Monday, 11 March 2013 19:27 (five years ago) Permalink

Surprisingly, Bunf seems to be the one with the freshest sounding side project: https://soundcloud.com/the-pale-blue-dots

afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 12:41 (five years ago) Permalink

https://soundcloud.com/the-pale-blue-dots/aquarium

Loving this stuff.

afriendlypioneer, Monday, 18 March 2013 15:18 (five years ago) Permalink

ten months pass...

They've reunited...

Super Furry Animals may currently be on an extended hiatus, but the Welsh psych rock icons are aiming to be top of the hops with the launch of their own beer.

Produced in conjunction with the Celt Experience Brewery, members of the band will be stirring up a storm when their new beer – named Fuzzy (after their debut album Fuzzy Logic) is unveiled at a special event next month.

Those who love their beers can taste the new brew at the one-night only Fire Festival on Saturday, February 1. Billed as ‘a celebration of innovative craft beer, art and smokey food’, it will be held to celebrate the Celtic Experience’s new village development at its brewery on the Pontygwindy Estate in Caerphilly.

The Festival will include free samples of the brewery’s acclaimed craft beers and a live performance from the Super Furry Animals – a live brewing performance that is.

Gruff, Guto, Cian, Daf and Bunf – who have been pursuing their own projects since they released their last album Dark Days/Light Years in 2009, will put the finishing touches to their own collaborative beer, which will be available in pubs around Wales and chosen outlets in London in March.

Fuzzy Beer, follows the launch of Goldie Lookin’ Ale – a collaborative beer between Welsh rappers Goldie Lookin’ Chain and Newport-based Tiny Rebel Brewery last year.

“We’re making it with our own specially formulated recipe, although I can’t tell you what that is,” laughs Furries keyboard maestro Cian Ciaran.

“Me and Daf (SFA drummer Dafydd Ieuan) met Tom who owns the brewery last year and we all thought it would be a good idea to make our own Furry brew.”

Although the band won’t be playing live, several members of the group will DJ on the night.

to brew a beer. :\

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/welsh-rock-icons-super-furry-6530196

afriendlypioneer, Friday, 24 January 2014 18:58 (four years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHV_6H2hQnM

American Interior is to come in four formats – a 13-song album, to be released on 5 May, which will be Rhys's fourth solo album; a book, described as "a psychedelic historical travelogue in which Gruff traces Evans' incredible journey from North Wales to new Spain, alongside the tale of his own strange American road trip following in Evans's footsteps", which will be published in late May; a film directed by Dylan Goch, documenting Rhys's 2012 tour; and an app consisting of 100 entries telling Evans's story.

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/jan/29/gruff-rhys-new-album-film-book-app

afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 15:24 (four years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

Loving the new Pale Blue Dots song:

https://soundcloud.com/the-pale-blue-dots/slow-reaction

Also got a new Gulp song this past week:

https://soundcloud.com/sonic-cathedral/gulp-seasoned-sun

Not been a bad year for SFA, if you're not looking for an actual SFA album.

afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 17:06 (four years ago) Permalink

Shocked, but not displeased, a publisher picked this up:

Rawlins, formerly digital editor of Artrocker, will document the story of the Welsh rock band's rise to iconic status.

The book, acquired by publishers The Friday Project, will tell the story of the band's time signed to Creation Records.

It will also cover their lavish marketing campaigns, which included equipping an army tank with a techno sound system and making plans to convert an aircraft carrier into a nightclub.

Lead singer Gruff Rhys said of the book: "Revolutionary, crazed and beautiful musical events and conversations that originally happened through the medium of a cracked youthful version of the Welsh language in the mid-nineties are presented here for the first time in quality English.

http://www.digitalspy.com/music/news/a577691/super-furry-animals-biography-for-release-in-2015.html#~oHu8lpFCxBKD8T

Also, new song by The Earth. It's really good:

https://soundcloud.com/strangetown-records/3-baby-bones

afriendlypioneer, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 22:36 (four years ago) Permalink

I had a feeling Ric would get something like this put out eventually, and given his passion and enthusiasm for the band it should be at the very least pretty good. Why he hasn't gone the whole hog and covered their Epic Records/Rough Trade years too is a huge mystery, though.

...and the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, axe and SAW! (Turrican), Tuesday, 17 June 2014 23:09 (four years ago) Permalink

Vol 2

Mark G, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 23:12 (four years ago) Permalink

I just feel like there's, max, a dozen people out there that want to read this story. I'm not complaining, though. I've wanted an SFA book for years.

afriendlypioneer, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 23:25 (four years ago) Permalink

Gruff's book doesn't count.

afriendlypioneer, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 23:26 (four years ago) Permalink

Even though I care the least I probably ever have about this band right now, I'll definitely be still giving this book a read. Partly because I enjoy reading books of this ilk, and partly because I'm interested to see how much depth the book actually goes into. Hopefully I'll learn something new from it, or it'll give me a new perspective on albums and tracks I've played to death in the past. It'll be interesting to see how much it sells, too... I can't help but feel that the perfect time to do something like this would have been around the time of Songbook, and covering the years 1994-2004.

...and the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, axe and SAW! (Turrican), Tuesday, 17 June 2014 23:52 (four years ago) Permalink

It would be annoying to put out the biography and then for them to reform five minutes later

PaulTMA, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 10:22 (four years ago) Permalink

Well, they're technically not broken up... And it seems likely they'll get together sooner than later. So that'll probably happen.

afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 14:21 (four years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't be fazed if they never got back together again to make music, and I wouldn't feel much of a loss either. At one point the thought of SFA splitting up would have been incredibly depressing, but I'm really unsure if they've got anything more to give.

...and the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, axe and SAW! (Turrican), Wednesday, 18 June 2014 18:03 (four years ago) Permalink

I don't think they'll ever release an epic album that changes the world, but I think those days are behind any band any of us knows about. Hopefully their time apart has taught them some new tricks. I think it has, but I know you're not really fond of anything they've done since DD/LY.

afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 18:34 (four years ago) Permalink

The Friday Project picked up the last two Kristin Hersh album/books, it's not that much of a stretch for them

katherine, Thursday, 19 June 2014 01:56 (three years ago) Permalink

I guess you're right, 'cause I have no idea who that is.

afriendlypioneer, Thursday, 19 June 2014 13:48 (three years ago) Permalink

I meant Season Sun, the name of their album. Oops.

afriendlypioneer, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 22:48 (three years ago) Permalink

Gulp is officially out. You can listen on Spotify

afriendlypioneer, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 22:22 (three years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Got to see Gruff in Manchester a couple weeks ago. It was one of the best live performances I've ever been to, and he was all on his own. The show was equal parts lecture and music performance. I never realized how naturally charming and funny he is.

In other news: https://soundcloud.com/strangetown-records/sets/the-earth-keltic-voodoo-boogaloo

The Earth's second LP is streaming. The Earth is Daf's band. Someone from Catatonia is also in the band. I know people around here hate Catatonia. The Earth's front woman also sings for the band Slowly Rolling Camera. I think this is a pretty decent record. It's a lot better than the first one.

afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 14:45 (three years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

https://soundcloud.com/strangetown-records/sets/the-pale-blue-dots-lots-of/s-eSrBc

Bunf's new album is streaming.

afriendlypioneer, Friday, 10 October 2014 14:15 (three years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

The Pale Blue Dots' new album is no longer streaming, but some new tracks available for stream. The album comes out next Monday (digital only). The Pale Blue Dots are also in session on Marc Riley tonight:

https://soundcloud.com/strangetown-records/reach-for-the-keys

https://soundcloud.com/strangetown-records/devastation

https://soundcloud.com/strangetown-records/slow-reaction

Some words from a website called Clash Music:

http://www.clashmusic.com/news/track-of-the-day-2110-the-pale-blue-dots

The ongoing hiatus of Super Furry Animals has dulled one of the most potent psych-pop voices around.

Thankfully, it has allowed the various members of the Welsh ensemble to engage in all manner of weird and wonderful projects.

Huw 'Bunf' Bunford is the band's lead guitarist, but recently struck up a friendship with composer Richard Chester.

Swapping ideas, the pair quickly descended into the studio to lay down some of fragments on tap. Piecing the whole thing together, The Pale Blue Dots were born.

Matching psychedelic flourishes against sweeping arrangements, a Bowie strut with lush harmonies, the project's debut album 'Lots Of Dots' is forthcoming.

Bunf says: "This is our Jekyll and Hyde moment. We love pop music, but we also like to lie down, listen to something, and not have to get up to press 'next track' for at least half an hour. The album definitely has a number of songs that could find themselves on the radio, but over the coming months we’re looking to take people on a journey into sound. By distributing found sounds online, and forming new compositions using archive material, The Pale Blue Dots is going to set out to demonstrate the pure pleasure in just listening."

afriendlypioneer, Monday, 27 October 2014 14:48 (three years ago) Permalink

Also, a new Cian Ciaran single came out a couple weeks ago:

https://soundcloud.com/strangetown-records/sets/ciaran-wilding

The first track is a cover of a song by an artist I'd never heard of before. The second track features that artist's vocals. I actually kind of prefer the second track

I get the feeling no one around here cares about this stuff, but I hope someone out there might. I still see the odd "SFA ARE THE BEST BAND EVER" on the internet, so I hope this news reaches someone.

afriendlypioneer, Monday, 27 October 2014 14:51 (three years ago) Permalink

Not bad tunes in the Love Kraft vein, but pretty inessential. Damn, I miss this band.

hardcore dilettante, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 01:21 (three years ago) Permalink

Don't think it's happening until Gruff stops making his own albums. Everyone else in the band is recording and producing their albums together.

afriendlypioneer, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 02:05 (three years ago) Permalink

Hi! I'm a lurker and a regular visitor to ilxor and this thread in particular. Super Furry Animals were and still are one of my favourite bands ever since I heard Mark Radcliffe play Hometown Unicorn on his late night BBC Radio One show. I can remembering him marvelling at the guitar solo on the song.

I've really enjoyed watching Gruff's solo shows since his first solo record, he's become a really engaging and entertaining performer. I wonder if the band got back together again would the live shows be a lot more interesting than they used to be. I can remember a show on the Phantom Power tour being a bit hard going with too many slow and midpaced songs all in a row.

I'm looking forward to hearing Bunf's record and am hoping that it gets released on vinyl or at least CD, the clips I've heard sound great. From that Clash interview it sounds like they're trying to do something interesting.

calimero, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 17:50 (three years ago) Permalink

ha! i was just subjecting my coworkers to Love Kraft and Hey Venus yesterday!

AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:09 (three years ago) Permalink

Calimero, I agree that Gruff's solo show is a lot better than many of the SFA shows I've been to. Two of his shows were some of the most memorable I've ever been to. The first one was a Candylion show that also featured Tony Da Gatorra. He also had some other guys on stage with him. I'm not sure who they were.

The second one was his totally solo American Interior show. My wife, who has almost zero interest in Gruff or SFA, enjoyed the American Interior show as much as I did. He really refined his act for general consumption. I wish I'd seen him with Y Niwl and Kliph Scurlock backing him, but I still loved it.

afriendlypioneer, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 19:51 (three years ago) Permalink

SFA are very stationary and ehearsed and also rely a lot on backing tracks. That's been my issue with their shows in the past. I've still seen a couple really memorable shows. The one where they wore those fiber optic boiler suits was awesome.

afriendlypioneer, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 19:52 (three years ago) Permalink

I also saw Gruff on the recent American Interior tour in a church, there was a drum kit and amps behind him which made me think Kliph and Y Niwl would join him at one point. It turned out the gear was for the church band! Despite this disappointment it was a great show, the songs sounded fine without a band, and Gruff was an entertaining and interesting storyteller.

I didn't really appreciate Yr Atal Genhedlaeth until I saw Gruff play a gig for it a few months later and then saw how he builds up the title track. It was interesting to see him play it again, and slightly differently, on this recent tour.

Like your wife, my partner had zero interest in the band, but now loves him after seeing a few of his gigs, the two films and an American Interior q&a. I don't think that would have happened if I'd taken her to a few regular SFA shows!

Gulp and The Earth recently played my town but I will was too lazy to see them, has anyone here seen either of the two bands live?

calimero, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 17:52 (three years ago) Permalink

I have not seen either band. I hear Gulp is pretty good live. There are a couple nice videos online. I'm sure it's a lot more stationary than a Gruff show. I don't know much about The Earth, but I will say I really enjoyed their new album (I said that already, I think). It sounds much fuller and more varied than their first LP. I know it's not an essential release, and the vocals aren't going to pull in a lot of SFA fans, but I recommend it.

Strangetown, the record label that's put out all this other stuff, just sent .wavs of the new Pale Blue Dots album. It's unfortunately extremely short (under half an hour), but I love the whole thing. I never knew how much Bunf contributed to the band's sound. I always kind of at Gruff and Cian as the holy alliance. Honestly, The Pale Blue Dots' album comes closest to capturing the sound I fell in love with so many years ago. I understand that they are going to record more songs in the studio, so I guess Lots of Dots is more of an EP than an LP. There is an odd dance-y track with Bunf on lead vocals at the end of the album that I did not expect to like, but I can't get it out of my head.

I guess I have to give Richard Chester some credit, too. There are some great strings on the album.

afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 21:09 (three years ago) Permalink

I always kind of viewed*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y22dwqhMXSU

afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 21:11 (three years ago) Permalink

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p029nbdr

The Pale Blue Dots sounded kind of rough on their first outing, but they'd only rehearsed the night before. I enjoyed Daf coming in with his "Ice Hockey Hair" drums every couple minutes.

afriendlypioneer, Friday, 31 October 2014 13:56 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I've had a similar new found appreciation for Bunf's contribution to the band. These days I'm able to recognise his voice more easily!

calimero, Friday, 31 October 2014 17:51 (three years ago) Permalink

I never realized how prominent Cian's voice is on certain songs. Take for instance "Chewing Chewing Gum." It's almost his first lead vocal.

afriendlypioneer, Friday, 31 October 2014 19:06 (three years ago) Permalink

The Pale Blue Dots' album is streaming again (it's officially out today):

https://soundcloud.com/strangetown-records/sets/the-pale-blue-dots-lots-of

afriendlypioneer, Monday, 3 November 2014 14:45 (three years ago) Permalink

I stole a fuse from their tank at Phoenix Festival 1996. Not many bands you can say that about tbh,

Willl, Monday, 3 November 2014 22:00 (three years ago) Permalink

Can we just say they've split up now yet?

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 4 November 2014 00:46 (three years ago) Permalink

If gruff embarks on another multimedia extravagnza, sure. All the rest of them are recording, producing and releasing their music together.

afriendlypioneer, Tuesday, 4 November 2014 01:13 (three years ago) Permalink

Can we just say they've split up now yet?

― PaulTMA, Tuesday, November 4, 2014 12:46 AM (21 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

In my mind, they pretty much have.

Welcome To (Turrican), Tuesday, 4 November 2014 22:31 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm still in denial. If they announced it, it would feel like when Supergrass split up. A band that always seemed to be there putting out good to great albums every couple of years. Both bands that make me incredibly nostalgic.

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 4 November 2014 22:50 (three years ago) Permalink

If they were split it up, wouldn't they just say they're split up? Gruff keeps insisting there'll be a 10th album.

afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 15:33 (three years ago) Permalink

From what it sounds like, it doesn't seem like any of the band members have or are aware of any concrete plans for Super Furry Animals, and none of them seem particularly enthusiastic about it either, which makes me feel that the ship as sailed. I can't help but get the impression that there's a gulf between Gruff and the rest of the band, too. If they have split up and they're keeping quiet about it, then that's somewhat of a shrewd move, really. People will be more accepting of/tolerate even the shittiest of solo products if they feel a new Super Furry Animals album is eventually going to happen: like "hmm, yeah, okay this Neon Neon/Cian/Earth/Pale Blue Dots album is a bit shit, but that's okay, they'll get around to giving us the real stuff soon". Remember also that Blur never actually announced that they'd "split up" either following Think Tank, but they may as well have done for all that's happened since.

I'm still in denial. If they announced it, it would feel like when Supergrass split up. A band that always seemed to be there putting out good to great albums every couple of years. Both bands that make me incredibly nostalgic.

― Kitchen Person, Tuesday, November 4, 2014 10:50 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

When Supergrass split up, my overall feeling was one of unrealised potential. As good as records like In It For The Money and Road To Rouen are, I still think they had a lot more ground to cover and a lot left to explore as a unit. The album they were working on when they split, Release The Drones sounded very promising.

By comparison, I think the Super Furry Animals have explored every avenue they possibly can together. I honestly don't see where else they could possibly go from here. It would be a good time to leave it, I think. They've already released 10 records if you count Out Spaced as a "proper" album, anyway.

Welcome To (Turrican), Wednesday, 5 November 2014 20:20 (three years ago) Permalink

Gruff's certainly drawn more attention to himself, with his most critically-acclaimed album and a fantastic stage show. The rest of the guys clearly have their work set out for them. we'll agree to disagree on the quality of the other side projects, though I've never been a neon neon fan.

afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 23:39 (three years ago) Permalink

Can't say much about Supergrass. I always found them pretty slight. "Alright" is a nice song and their self-titled album seemed to draw more flack than it deserved. I kind of left them behind. I know most that read this thread probably rate SFA similarly, but that's life.

afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 23:46 (three years ago) Permalink

I can think of a couple of tracks from Dark Days/Light Years that are worth voting for, as patchy and backloaded as that album is. 'Bing Bong' was so bad that it pretty much was the final nail for me.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 16 April 2018 15:18 (two months ago) Permalink

The top 2 tracks are pretty much a lock, but there's such an embarrassment of riches from their golden decade of 1994-2004 it should be interesting.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 16 April 2018 15:21 (two months ago) Permalink

Still throw on 'Bing Bong' once in a while. My son loves it. Hot bassline, too. *`<:^)

Not bad for a track they probably threw together in an hour or two.

afriendlypioneer, Monday, 16 April 2018 15:56 (two months ago) Permalink

Inaugural Trams is my European holiday anthem :)

imago, Monday, 16 April 2018 16:05 (two months ago) Permalink

'White Socks/Flip Flops' is one of the best things they've done post-2004.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 16 April 2018 17:17 (two months ago) Permalink

Just take out Mt. and Moped Eyes and Dark Days/Light Years ends up being one of their best albums

silverfish, Monday, 16 April 2018 17:46 (two months ago) Permalink

'Mt' might be their worst song, otoh, it is an odd album

― imago, Monday, 16 April 2018 17:40 (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

imago, Monday, 16 April 2018 17:48 (two months ago) Permalink

and yeah, agreed, it dips early

imago, Monday, 16 April 2018 17:48 (two months ago) Permalink

but recovers splendidly!

imago, Monday, 16 April 2018 17:49 (two months ago) Permalink

I love 'Moped Eyes.' I can leave 'Mt.' behind, but I think they've done far worse--all of which can be found on Love Kraft.

afriendlypioneer, Monday, 16 April 2018 17:55 (two months ago) Permalink

*hey venus

imago, Monday, 16 April 2018 17:56 (two months ago) Permalink

I'd take out 'Where Do You Wanna Go?' and 'Lliwiau Llachar' too. SFA on autopilot.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 16 April 2018 18:04 (two months ago) Permalink

I guess 'Inconvenience' fits that category as well - I'd forgotten about it until I looked at the tracklisting.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 16 April 2018 18:06 (two months ago) Permalink

I like Inconvenience and Lliwiau LLachar. 'Where Do You Wanna Go?' admittedly goes nowhere but it's short so I don't really mind it much

silverfish, Monday, 16 April 2018 18:55 (two months ago) Permalink

i really didn't think there would be that many people wanting a poll, so a nice surprise.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 17 April 2018 01:56 (two months ago) Permalink

Love Kraft has always been my favourite SFA album, I suspect I might be alone in that. It gives off such a warm and quirky lovely vibe.

My 2-year old daughter recently wanted to listen to Phantom Power 1-3 times a day for over a month (it's now gradually being replaced by other albums, including Gruff's Candylion).
Even though it got overplayed, I did get to give it proper attention which I never gave it before, and actually got to appreciate it more and more. It's a truly fantastic album, which I think would also benefit from removing a few tracks - IMO Venus & Serena, Bleed Forever, Valet Parking could all go, leaving their best album.
Slow Life is probably their masterpiece.

I've never been very impressed by Dark Days/Light Years. Hey Venus! has extremely strong moments and is a highly enjoyable listen, but there's a little too much repetition within songs on that album for my liking to rank it among their best.

Valentijn, Tuesday, 17 April 2018 06:31 (two months ago) Permalink

I wouldn't change a thing about Phantom Power and as you said, it contains probably their best ever track in 'Slow Life', which would have made for a great swan song. In hindsight, their last truly great album before it all went tits up.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 06:40 (two months ago) Permalink

Phantom Power is 15 years old, come to think of it!

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 06:44 (two months ago) Permalink

Occassionaly I don't mind any of those three songs I mentioned at all, but other times I find them whiny or annoying. Valet Parking might maybe have been better as a fun strong B-side than as a relatively weak album track.
I do think that Phantom Power suffers a bit from some pacing issues - too much slow stuff in succession.

As I adore Love Kraft I can't really agree to the 'last great album' thing, but my patience for them does decrease after that and I am really hoping for them to return some day with a quality comeback album.

Valentijn, Tuesday, 17 April 2018 07:08 (two months ago) Permalink

"Slow Life" is the closing track on their "Greatest Hits Vol 1"

They could compile a Vol 2 by now, but, well...

Mark G, Tuesday, 17 April 2018 09:49 (two months ago) Permalink

Just checked - it's not the closer. Whatevs.

Mark G, Tuesday, 17 April 2018 09:50 (two months ago) Permalink

I do think that Phantom Power suffers a bit from some pacing issues - too much slow stuff in succession.

I couldn't disagree more, and it's strange you say this of Phantom Power when Love Kraft is sluggish from beginning to end.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 12:52 (two months ago) Permalink

honestly I think all the albums up to Kraft are almost front to back great, and only the last two are significantly patchy. LK does have a few duff tracks but as Valentijn says the persistent warmth and lushness makes up for it.

Simon H., Tuesday, 17 April 2018 13:01 (two months ago) Permalink

if we do a poll we better get at least 30 track slots

Simon H., Tuesday, 17 April 2018 13:04 (two months ago) Permalink

I couldn't disagree more, and it's strange you say this of Phantom Power when Love Kraft is sluggish from beginning to end.

Love Kraft honestly always gave off more variation to me throughout.
I found Phantom Power a bit difficult to warm to as tracks 4 and 5 are slow (gorgeous, though!), followed by Venus and Serena which tries to get some energy in but ends up as a bit of a drag for me, then it slows down again with an instrumental and Bleed Forever (which, as I said, I occassionally find a bit too whiny).
I have to say I used to have more problems with Phantom Power than I do now, it just took me a long time -and the help of my 2-year old- to really get into it. I certainly consider it one of their best now! Perhaps 1-3 tracks too many but I don't truly dislike those either.

I saw your older post on Love Kraft, it's funny to me how much you dismiss that album while otherwise my overall album ranking would be fairly similar to yours.

Sometimes their stuff works for me the one time, then not at all the other time, then it does the trick again later. With Radiator, I loved it when it came out, then somehow got annoyed with it and disliked it for years, then revisited it and found myself loving it again and thinking of it as possibly their best.

Valentijn, Tuesday, 17 April 2018 13:14 (two months ago) Permalink

Actually, I think my SFA album ranking would be exactly the same as the one you (Turrican) posted three years ago, except with Love Kraft moved from the bottom to the top!

(Which would be:
Love Kraft
Radiator
Phantom Power
Rings Around The World
Mwng
Guerrilla
Fuzzy Logic
Hey Venus!
Dark Days/Light Years )

Hey Venus! might climb the ladder if I would listen to it some more. The presence of Slow Life on the latter may mean that Radiator and Phantom Power should switch places.

Valentijn, Tuesday, 17 April 2018 13:18 (two months ago) Permalink

Love Kraft doesn't really feel like a "warm" record to me - I don't get any kind of emotional warmth out of it, and it doesn't strike me as being a sunny kind of record. It feels more like a night time record, but the kind of night where you're tired and can't sleep because it's too hot and the air conditioning is fucked.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 13:19 (two months ago) Permalink

if we do a poll we better get at least 30 track slots

― Simon H., Tuesday, April 17, 2018 1:04 PM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes - a 25 song ballot would be too brutal.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 13:23 (two months ago) Permalink

I know people love the early stuff but the "huge recording budgets" middle period (RATW->LK) is the real business for me. Lots of great b-sides too. I even like some of the Phantom Phorce remixes.

Simon H., Tuesday, 17 April 2018 13:31 (two months ago) Permalink

I partly agree - I love how they took the money that Sony were throwing at them and using it to make these intricately produced, well presented records and investing in neat ideas like the surround sound editions of the albums etc. The earlier stuff showed they could be very creative without the huge recording budgets, though, and without sacrificing the songwriting, which to me is what the band were really about.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 15:24 (two months ago) Permalink

i'd also take part in a sfa poll. i was obsessed with rings and phantom power in high school but never got around to the early or later records

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 15:29 (two months ago) Permalink

The early records are fun but I find the buzzy guitar tones a little samey and, while I know this is heretical, I'd rather they'd saved some of the more ambitious stuff like "Mountain People" for that studio-rat phase

Simon H., Tuesday, 17 April 2018 15:31 (two months ago) Permalink

You define early SFA differently to me, I think. For me, early SFA is'Dim Brys, Dim Chwys', the first two EP's and Fuzzy Logic.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 15:52 (two months ago) Permalink

I don't care to get too granular about it with any band really, I just broadly think of early/mid/late I suppose

Simon H., Tuesday, 17 April 2018 15:54 (two months ago) Permalink

I see it more as 1994-1996 being the early stuff, 1997-2004 being their peak, and 2005-2009 being the decline/drop off/whatever. Don't forget that Guerrilla was released during the Creation years, which is just as multicoloured as Rings..., albeit on a smaller budget.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 16:01 (two months ago) Permalink

Hey Venus! is my Love Kraft, I suppose. I really disliked it when it came out but I’ve found myself returning to it over the years and I really have nothing bad to say about any one of its tracks. I even enjoy the b-sides. I still wonder how the original mix sounds. They say “Suckers!” is the only song that was mixed that way and I wonder why they kept t that way when it doesn’t really make sense given it’s one of the ballads on the album.

afriendlypioneer, Tuesday, 17 April 2018 16:37 (two months ago) Permalink

I like Gruff’s solo career for the most part. His live shows are actually better than any SFA live show I’ve experienced. He’s charismatic, funny and energetic in spite of his overwhelmingly laidback personality. I just wish he’d lay off the quirk and funny lyrics sometimes and strive for more of this type of music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdB3GsJFLm

The other SFAs seem to really bring out the best in his songwriting, though. Like most solo careers, there’s something missing from his recorded output.

afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 20:17 (two months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdB3GsJFLmw

afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 20:18 (two months ago) Permalink

Phantom power is the last one I really liked. Excellent Wendy and Bonnie sample on intro. Love Kraft was good enough but gave up after that

after party for the apocalypse (Ross), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 20:41 (two months ago) Permalink

Yeah, it's a bizarre thing to open up your album with a short sample of someone else's record (considering that 'Hello Sunshine' could still comfortably exist without it) but it works. To be fair, you could put together a decent compilation of post-Phantom Power highlights but it was never the same after that album. I dunno what the fuck happened. I just think they were increasingly more bothered about their solo work and less bothered about the SFA stuff. It was nothing to do with shared songwriting, because SFA were always a collaborative and democratic group.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 20:53 (two months ago) Permalink

I would be all for a SFA poll. Agree that it would be nice to express love for their great work rather than our disappointment that it has kind of wound down.

Love Kraft has always been my favourite SFA album, I suspect I might be alone in that.

You aren’t. I wrote a track by track review of it (on the Love Kraft poll I believe). I might suggest it’s their least “fun” record but I think that’s not true.

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 21 April 2018 20:18 (one month ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

https://instagram.com/p/Bixcy_LnsGu/

I guess we’re getting a Guerrilla reissue soon.

afriendlypioneer, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 00:17 (one month ago) Permalink

I can't get enough of 'Frontier Man.'

This Cian/Acid Casuals Meic Stevens cover that popped up yesterday is also pretty great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbg8TEJKvv0&feature=youtu.be

An album full of songs like the above would be very nice indeed.

afriendlypioneer, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 14:06 (one month ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbg8TEJKvv0

afriendlypioneer, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 14:07 (one month ago) Permalink

Oh yay, a reissue!

imago, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 14:13 (one month ago) Permalink

Not thrilled about reissues, but I'd be lying if I said the prospect of a live Guerrilla show doesn't sound like my dream come true.

afriendlypioneer, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 14:29 (one month ago) Permalink

Babelsberg picked up a 9/10 in Uncut and a 4/5 in Q. I have to say I'm getting a little excited.

afriendlypioneer, Thursday, 17 May 2018 16:01 (one month ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Got tickets for the rncm concert. First time my son didn't want to go. Not feeling the vibe these days. Phantom power tour was his first gig.

I'm all up for a poll too.

lefal junglist platton (wtev), Saturday, 9 June 2018 07:09 (one week ago) Permalink

Picked up the ‘Fuzzy Logic’ vinyl reissue this week and appreciated the album anew - I’ve tended to overlook it in favour of the three LPs that followed, thinking of it as a more straight up “rock” record. I think there is a wee bit of that, with the b-sides/‘Out Spaced’ scratching the more out there itch, but I was being unfair.

michaellambert, Saturday, 9 June 2018 07:41 (one week ago) Permalink

i'm not going to run the SFA poll anytime soon. i won't run it until all albums are on Spotify but that is my hang up. if anyone else wants to run it then be my guest.

Bee OK, Saturday, 9 June 2018 17:58 (one week ago) Permalink


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