King Crimson: Classic Or Dud

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I bought a King Crimson album tonight. Tower had them all in a 3 for £18 deal. I bought "Red" thinking it was by the 80s Crimson which has long intrigued me a bit but then it turned out it was by the proper scarey 70s Crimson. EEK! Anyway it sounded OK. What do you think of them?

Tom, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Can't believe they've not been discussed here before. I'm wild about the BEAT/DISCIPLINE/THREE OF A PERFECT pair era of the band (notably for Tony Levin's nimble Chapman stick thwacking). IN THE COURT OF THE CRIMSON rocks thoroughly, of course....."21st Century Schizoid Man"? Who could argue?

I've heard great things about RED, but I've never heard it. Possibly due to the stigma of John Wetton. Even though RED predated Asia by veritable eons, I cannot erase the crime.

Alex in NYC, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Red is the only one I know. The scary instrumental parts are great but when the voices come in they're extremely pallid and non- scary and the mood gets wrecked and I wonder why I'm bothering and I usually put on something else. Do they have any albums that are all instrumental?

Ian, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Red is my favourite of the earlier Crimson, because it's not too wacky. I know we've discussed Crimson on the board before, because we got into this discussion of early Crimson lyrics and how they bordered on the inane. Red is not quite so inane, lyrically, and the music is muscular and scary in places, without getting too overblown. Tom, next purchase should be Discipline, if you're intrigued by the 80s Crimson.

Sean Carruthers, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

More Crimso talk here.

Sean Carruthers, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Okay, here's a stretch of a question: did any of you out there catch VH-1's "100 Greatest Artists of Hard Rock"? Whell, amidst those 100, they featured a quick segment on Crimson, and showed some live footage of the band, although I'm not sure from which era. The line-up featured Wetton on vocals, doing almost a scat-styled lyric. It was very free- form sounding, but still quite cool. Being that their catalogue is a bit on the vast side (and I'm only really familiar with COURT OF...and the DISCIPLINE and beyond periods), can anyone tell me where that particular track can be found?

Alex in NYC, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I had "Thrak" about 5-6 years back and used to like it a lot. Have not listened to it for a long time. Bought "In the court fo King Crimson" last year. Liked it for some time but then got bored of it. Still like the a couple of songs on that album though.(21st century Schizoid man, The court of the crimson king).

Atul, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

'Red' is OK but overrated. It's so STATIC. Nothing moves, except for the title track it's as constricted as Fripp's bunghole. I actually prefer 'Larks Tongues'. 'Islands' is the worst album ever made by anybody.

dave q, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I quite like Islands, even though its made by the previous line up I can hear quite a lot of Larks in it. Some of the tracks on it are complete clunkers though - the lingering Sinfield / Tippet influence.

Red is ace, and has been discussed here before. The instrumental tracks are the ones that sound less dated - especially the title track and its 'devils interval' backstory.

But I think Wettons vocals on Starless and Red are lovely and I disagree that the placid quietness of them is just 'static' - there is a line on one of the tracks on Starless... 'My Home... was a place by the sea' which I just adore and I've never known why - but it kept popping up in my head when I had my Steve Erickson reading binge a couple of years ago and it has that same mesmeric Erickson quality of difference and strangeness but not different and not strange (ooh thats a hopeless description: Somebody save me here!).

There are three formulas involved in the Larks/Starless/Red tracks - and I think I like them all.

There are the dream-like songs I've already mentioned - all playful repeating echos of other things, and that strange wailing sound which I always imagine is one of them corrugated tubes you wave around your head - but presumably is just frippertronics (it turns up on evening star too). I always thought they were an influence on Nirvana on Nevermind's quiet moments but haven't seen it confirmed that Cobain knew this stuff.

Then there are the agressive ones - Red, the loud bits in Larks part one - the bit in Fracture where it suddenly changes speed. For a prog band they sure conjure with an magikal energy - that stuff sounds great - its a shame that neither the post rockers like Mogwai / Aeorgramme / etc or the Nu Metallers studied that stuff to avoid making their mistakes. Its not just a feature of that period of Crimson though, 21st C on the first album, the bit nicked from Mars on the second have that feel too.

The bits that are left form a third grouping, mainly instrumental and much more passive - but definately not static. The quiet bits of Larks pt1, Trio, Night Watch. Larks overtly references Vaughn Williams and thats a good suggestion of what's going on, Debussy and Satie too. But there is a lack of optimism in those tracks that doesn't sit well with the grace of those influences. They are bleak and hopeless feeling too.

Alexander Blair, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

LARKS' TONGUES and STARLESS AND BIBLE BLACK are both better, though "Starless" is oft-considered the all-in-all best thing they ever did (me, I think it's "Exiles" from Larks').

"Easy Money" has this (on the live versions, not the studio version, alas) great (for prog rock, mind you) bit of lyric:

"So I argued with the judge, But the bastard wouldn't budge, 'cause they caught me licking fudge, and they never told me once, you were a minor..."

Joe, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I only have In the Court of the Crimson King and it's classic, don't listen to anyone who says otherwise. The track "Red" is quite good too. Your next purchase should be Pawn Hearts by Van der Graaf Generator.

sundar subramanian, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Ignoring their ridiculously anal 'chops' - which I sort've admire - I've never heard a King Crimson rec. with tolerable singing on it. It's what puts me off a lot of prog, to be honest. Get 'Dart Drug' by Jamie Muir and Derek Bailey instead!

Andrew L, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Really? What do you find objectionable about the vocals on, say, "Epitaph?"

sundar subramanian, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Sundar they are horrible is what is objectionable!! Which LP is "Ladies of the Road" on? (It's on my best of promo tape... ) Anyway, it is the UGLIEST ROCK SONG EVER WRITTEN, sound and words (it's abt groupies), which is an impressive achievement. Wasn't RED K.Cobain's fave record? KC fascinate me I must say because they grate on me SO extremely: I can't dismiss em at all, because their effect is so exact.

mark s, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Mark - "Ladies" is on 'Islands'! It's the only track on the album where they sound awake, so you can imagine what the rest of it is like. ("Sailor's Tale" doesn't count, of course)

dave q, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

As a teenager I liked the Belew era and hated the Lake era, but now it's opposite. I can't separate KC3 from the other PBS-special 80s 'arty crowd', belongs in 'American Psycho' along with Laurie Anderson, Basquiat, the Roberts Wilson and Mapplethorpe, all the other downtown yuppie shit. Get the first three Talking Heads albums or the middle three KC albums instead.

dave q, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

dude just read what i said in the old thread
"UGH.. I hate the 80's trilogy. I think fripp really lost his magic then. My favortie period is the 73 Starless band. They were so fucking hard and funky. Then they got quiet like a whisper. Awesome stuff. "

chakli, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

More on Belew's fourth-rate David Byrne impersonation - "I repeat myself under stress, I repeat myself under stress." Geddit? Hilarious, eh? Anybody who finds that remotely amusing in any way should be avoided.

dave q, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Red is a great album. I bought it for 4.99 at the HMV sale. It's true that the singing isn't great but it isn't horrible either and the instrumental parts are really fantastic. You can go back to them over and over again. Fripp is on song. It grows on you.

Mark- Apparently Red is KC's favourite album ever. He also loved the raincoats, having written some brief notes for the reissue of their excellent debut. Even though nirvana sucked he had good taste (though I think that he only said that to piss off the metal fans that bought his music).

Julio Desouza, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Lake's voice was quite good, though (per usual) a bit lofty, especially singing Sinfield's lofty lyrics. Still, at least he could sing back then. Wetton's voice was quite good, though has a 'smoky' quality to it that's an acquired taste. Belew is a bit piercing in the higher registers, but I think in the lower registers or when he's imitating Lennon or Orbison, it's okay.

Joe, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

By the way, Greg Lake and John Wetton are the Dick York and Dick Sargent of rock: discuss.

Joe, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Prog is taking over this message board for some reason. Anyway, fine by me. However, Joe, does that make Fripp Sherwood Schwartz? Wrong show! Aaron Spelling?

Classic by virtue of the mid 70s albums alone, though the 80s were at least interesting, with Discipline being a damn good album. I was never a huge fan of the early KC, and the 90s version hasn't knocked me out -- YET. I do look forward to Nuovo Metal, though I really wish Fripp would have stuck with the first ProjeKct (worst gimmick ever, the whole "Kc" thing needs to be stopped) band. Apparently Fripp couldn't live with himself putting out a studio record that was avant-noise, even though that's obviously one of things at which he excels.

dleone, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

re: Wetton and Asia - can't forgive him


I'd never heard Asia until last week (whilst ripping vinyl to cd for an acquaintance) and it was a truely awfull thing to have to put my house through. So I can understand why you might hate him because of this. But I've always liked his mid 70s stuff, most especially the 2 albums he did with Family: "Fearless" and "Bandstand".

However, his lyrics are, for the most part, very bad indeed - has anyone heard 'Same Time Next Week' from Phil Manzanera's "Diamond Head"? Very ugly.

philT, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I used to be a big KC fan and can find something to like about all their albums, but the only stuff I feel like listening to now is Red (because it's heavy and sometimes funky and has 'Starless'), the double live album from the 80s band (because it's like an 80s best of with great sound and because it's poppy and new wave enough that even my girlfriend can like it), and ThraK, which I've always had a soft spot for. I think it's a great blend of their 70s heaviness and 80s pop songs with, um, lots of drums.

Jordan, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

dominique wrote: However, Joe, does that make Fripp Sherwood Schwartz? Wrong show! Aaron Spelling?

Agnes Moorehead, obviously. :)

Joe, Sunday, 17 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

So who's Paul Lynde?

nickn, Sunday, 17 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

mark s, there is a truly eye-popping site discussing Sinfields lyrics here:. http://www.songsouponse a.com/Promenade/ if you want to delve even further into Islands its on chapters 16 and 17.

Ladies of the Road and Formetera Ladies are the clunkers I refered to above btw. Though I think Sinfields worst lyrics are on Still.

Alexander Blair, Sunday, 17 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

i wuv the idea that KC were in fact FUNKY: even slimy-greasy purist chaki says so, tho i note they were carefully not mentioned on THIS THREAD however. What, does the word have two meanings after all?

mark s, Sunday, 17 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

And this is a surprise? ONLY two would be a surprise!

Josh, Sunday, 17 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Alexander wrote: "there is a truly eye-popping site discussing Sinfields lyrics here:. http://www.songsouponse a.com/Promenade/ if you want to delve even further into Islands its on chapters 16 and 17."

Truly unfathomable, I wouldn't have believed it had I not seen it with my own eyes. However, it explains much. There's a site where I help write reviews for prog rock albums, and we once received a snippy letter for dissing the Wake of Poseidon album (or at least, not being fanboy-ish enough towards it), and the person, opening up by claiming we had "less wit and culture than an ant" (yep) used much of the material found in the Wake of Poseidon chapter as their defense of the album and its depth. Maybe it was even The Keeper of the onyx-embolden'd-husking-jewelled-warthogs website himself! :)

Joe, Sunday, 17 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

four years pass...
Boz Burrell, RIP http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=165889

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 22 September 2006 22:32 (twelve years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

Cue your golf swing.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 16:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

Wow... Mind = blown.

An influential prophet from Denton, Texas (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 16:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

Very cool! thx ned

an excellent source of vitamins and minerals (WmC), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 16:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

"that's some really wild stuff"

buzza, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 16:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

In The Lounge of the Crimson King

tylerw, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 16:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

More on Belew's fourth-rate David Byrne impersonation - "I repeat myself under stress, I repeat myself under stress." Geddit? Hilarious, eh? Anybody who finds that remotely amusing in any way should be avoided.

Dave Q really killed it on this thread, huh? I like lots of KC but I hardly ever find myself playing them. When I do, it's either Larks' Tongues or Beat.

Clarke B., Wednesday, 27 July 2011 18:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think Belew's a pretty terrible lyricist but that was kinda the point, right? The lyrics weren't supposed to stand out. It was all about the music at that point.

frogbs, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 18:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Met this guy tonight who said he'd done tarot card readings with Adrian Belew, back in '83 or so

the story just got weirder from there

geeta, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 07:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

four months pass...
six months pass...

Fripp speaks

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 4 August 2012 20:10 (six years ago) Permalink

excellent...wish it was longer

frogbs, Saturday, 4 August 2012 20:18 (six years ago) Permalink

2009 Crimson, with Porcupine Tree drummer as second drummer, was awesome live.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 4 August 2012 21:28 (six years ago) Permalink

so, who is buying the 13 CD, 1 DVD, 1 Blu-Ray of Larks' Tongue In Aspic?

http://www.dgmlive.com/news.htm?entry=3916

EZ Snappin, Monday, 13 August 2012 19:48 (six years ago) Permalink

Just registered for DJM live site just so I could hear a sparse guide track for "Islands" the song. Boz sounds like he's singing into a cheap condenser mike, but otherwise it's quite lovely.

'Islands' is the worst album ever made by anybody.
― dave q, Friday, February 15, 2002 7:00 PM (10 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

NO.

Ermahgerd Thomas (Dan Peterson), Monday, 13 August 2012 20:19 (six years ago) Permalink

its kind of weird to imagine that King Crimson only played a fixed amount of concerts when they were active. it feels like they're able to just create more and more live bootleg material at will, even if it was phyiscally impossible for them to have played that many dates.

frogbs, Monday, 13 August 2012 20:20 (six years ago) Permalink

So many of them are pretty dodgy quality though, aren't they?

Ermahgerd Thomas (Dan Peterson), Monday, 13 August 2012 20:21 (six years ago) Permalink

classic:

'released in three separate editions to satisfy the merely curious and the expectant collector'

j., Friday, 17 August 2012 14:31 (six years ago) Permalink

so, who is buying the 13 CD, 1 DVD, 1 Blu-Ray of /Larks' Tongue In Aspic/?

http://www.dgmlive.com/news.htm?entry=3916


Who ISN'T?

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 20 August 2012 03:26 (six years ago) Permalink

I don't have the Road to Red set but he Larks Tongues set is really good. As much as I like Starless box, there's a ton of improvs on the LTIA one that don't sound like anything else that band ever did. Once Muir left, they settled into a thing. An absolutely unique and amazing thing to be sure but a thing nonetheless.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 11 September 2017 04:19 (one year ago) Permalink

I love the recordings of the Muir band. Most of them sound like shit, but where the hell else are you going to hear stuff like a Wetton-Cross violin duet?

bob lefse (rushomancy), Monday, 11 September 2017 04:47 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

So I'm reading Bill Bruford's autobiography (which had been sitting on my bookshelf for many years), and it's pretty great. Even though some of the music doesn't really hold up for me (but some really does), I've always connected with his approach and mentality. He's a smart dude and writes well about the industry and his own performance anxieties etc.

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 17:01 (one year ago) Permalink

five months pass...

in the court of the crimson king title track never fails to pitch up my reality when i hit play - maybe overstated or cheesy to say that - but the song makes everything cool

after party for the apocalypse (Ross), Friday, 13 April 2018 07:55 (seven months ago) Permalink

I remember buying that on CD when I was 15 and when the chorus came on it felt like my heart stopped

frogbs, Friday, 13 April 2018 12:39 (seven months ago) Permalink

Those nostrils are classic.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 13 April 2018 12:42 (seven months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Just ordered the Epitaph box - four CDs of live material and BBC sessions from 1969. I've read that the sound quality's kinda rough at times, but the performances are amazing, and it's not that easy to find, but the KC webstore got hold of a few copies.

grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 14 June 2018 18:43 (five months ago) Permalink

yeah it's pretty good. the first two discs sound good; it's the second two that sounded worse.

akm, Thursday, 14 June 2018 19:07 (five months ago) Permalink

Has anyone seen them live recently? They are coming to Berlin soon for two concerts and I still don't know if I want to go.

Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Thursday, 14 June 2018 19:25 (five months ago) Permalink

Last summer in the USA... if you saw them in 2014 not much has changed but the repertoire has expanded. If you haven't seen them at all then absolutely

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 14 June 2018 19:26 (five months ago) Permalink

I saw them just about a year ago. Wrote about it here. You should go, but expect a tightly disciplined (no pun intended) show.

grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 14 June 2018 19:29 (five months ago) Permalink

yes you should see them if you like crimson at all. it's not like you're going to have another 10, 15 years of tours with fripp to see.

akm, Thursday, 14 June 2018 21:53 (five months ago) Permalink

I’m a bit surprised he’s kept it going this long honestly.

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 15 June 2018 00:17 (five months ago) Permalink

I thought the 2014 show (my first) was good. The 2017 show, OTOH, was special. Extremely well chosen setlist and some inspired performances and arrangements. My friends, also longtime fans (if not heads), agreed.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 15 June 2018 01:24 (five months ago) Permalink

Also, I hate that the goddamn Sid Smith book is nigh impossible to find. Our local library network doesn’t even have it!

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 15 June 2018 01:27 (five months ago) Permalink

yeah i saw 'em in '14 and the download released of a '17 show is way better than what i saw

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Friday, 15 June 2018 01:56 (five months ago) Permalink

Last year's show was fantastic!

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Friday, 15 June 2018 02:39 (five months ago) Permalink

the cheapest tickets are 80 euro by now for the 3rd of july, but i think i have to go. i have always liked them, esp. the first two albums, discipline and beat.

Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 15 June 2018 09:50 (five months ago) Permalink

Current setlists look pretty cool, no doubt because Fripp settled (in every sense, probably) with Belew. Still not quite sure of Fripp's motivations - which, sure, may just be money - but the fact that the KC train keeps a rolling makes me think he's not going to stop any time soon. Fripp is 72, but playing sitting down behind speakers with headphones on has got to count for something!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 June 2018 11:14 (five months ago) Permalink

there's still like 3/4ths of a new album in their setlist, here's hoping...

frogbs, Friday, 15 June 2018 12:37 (five months ago) Permalink

I mean as far as his motivations go...I guess it kinda goes without saying that every musician approaching a certain age is bound to go on a nostalgia tour at some point, even if they've insisted that they wouldn't? the cool thing about this new group is that in a way it's like every incarnation of Crimson rolled into one, willing to go back to much more than just Red, Larks 2, and the occasional Schizoid Man...that in itself is really a new thing for KC. they've always been a "stay at home if you wanna hear the old records" sort of band.

frogbs, Friday, 15 June 2018 12:41 (five months ago) Permalink

^ rollins seems like one of the few older musicians who has zero interest in reforming old bands

sunburst N snowblind (Ross), Friday, 15 June 2018 12:46 (five months ago) Permalink

I guess it kinda goes without saying that every musician approaching a certain age is bound to go on a nostalgia tour at some point, even if they've insisted that they wouldn't? the cool thing about this new group is that in a way it's like every incarnation of Crimson rolled into one, willing to go back to much more than just Red, Larks 2, and the occasional Schizoid Man...that in itself is really a new thing for KC.

This is what makes the whole thing so interesting to me. It's 100% the opposite of "We've reunited the lineup from The One Album Everybody Likes and we're playing it front to back! Tickets are $300, $500 if you want a handshake and a photo beforehand!" Instead, he's put together an entirely new lineup featuring members from just about every era of KC, radically different from the lineups on any particular record, and re-arranged the tunes to suit the current players rather than attempting to mimic the studio versions.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 15 June 2018 13:20 (five months ago) Permalink

I mean as far as his motivations go...I guess it kinda goes without saying that every musician approaching a certain age is bound to go on a nostalgia tour at some point

We're also talking about Fripp here, who went on a stubborn multi-year Fogerty-esque content strike while he was feuding with various labels.

rather than attempting to mimic the studio versions.

I dunno about this. The show I saw a few years ago was good but not that radical to my ears. The drummers have the most room to improvise, but they're not exactly busting the songs apart. I mean, even these players, there are too many people on stage to really mess around, imo. Certainly "Schizoid" was pretty much the album version to the note. Though I'm not sure if it all counts as nostalgia or not, actually; he's certainly doing no cheesy disservice to the band and its legacy. To the contrary, I think parting with Belew allowed him to remind people that there was a lot of good stuff in the '70s that gets often gets overlooked or steamrolled by "Larks"/"Red" and everything after.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 June 2018 14:55 (five months ago) Permalink

Some of the reinterpretation is down the individual players; Tony Levin does some pretty radical stuff to Wetton and Lake's lines, especially in terms of the rhythmic concept. Levin's more of a jazz player than either of those two were, but he takes a lot of the blues and jazz elements the English bassists used right out of there.

Three Word Username, Friday, 15 June 2018 15:21 (five months ago) Permalink

Certainly "Schizoid" was pretty much the album version to the note.

This was definitely not the case in Boston last year.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Friday, 15 June 2018 15:28 (five months ago) Permalink

Was it at all like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3028oDEKZo4

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 June 2018 15:53 (five months ago) Permalink

I mean, I guess there are solos in there, but I don't consider solos terribly "radical."

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 June 2018 15:54 (five months ago) Permalink

I’m conflicted because I would love to hear a group as talented as this open up more but clearly for Fripp, the arrangements matter most. Where the band delivers is on its ability to summon rich, voluminous power- crucial for any incarnation of Crim, but perhaps even more important for one at the late stage of its existence.

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 15 June 2018 16:00 (five months ago) Permalink

That's not the 7:20 album version to the note, come on!

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Friday, 15 June 2018 16:06 (five months ago) Permalink

OK, it was not "to the note," but it was not radically or even significantly different, other than the solos and other digressions, was it?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 June 2018 16:09 (five months ago) Permalink

Like I said, I don't think a ship this big can turn on a dime, it's got to be close the album or it would all fall apart. Too many players.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 June 2018 16:10 (five months ago) Permalink

The rhythmic feel is a little different and, yeah, there are the solos and digressions. I definitely wouldn't call it a radical reimagining, nor is that what I'd expect from King Crimson (of all bands); I just don't see it as mimicry of the studio versions, compared to what most rock bands do live.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Friday, 15 June 2018 16:15 (five months ago) Permalink

Despite bringing aboard, as discussed above, the singer and guitarist from a KC cover band, who has the screaming schizoid man on his guitar. I mean, I don't expect much more either, but there were different eras that incorporated different degrees of improv (esp. when Muir was in the band), and this one has so much talent I'm surprised it hasn't tried to further more out. But it's all good.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 June 2018 16:24 (five months ago) Permalink

i think the only thing I want from them that they're not doing right now is LTIA 6

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 15 June 2018 16:58 (five months ago) Permalink

most of these guys are playing with sheet music so no, there are not wild deviations. there are shows/tours that are just stronger than others though

akm, Friday, 15 June 2018 17:51 (five months ago) Permalink

the Radical Action set is incredible. dunno if I really need anything else from them. though I'd love to hear some Lizard stuff.

frogbs, Friday, 15 June 2018 17:54 (five months ago) Permalink

^ rollins seems like one of the few older musicians who has zero interest in reforming old bands

lol he had 2 bands and both of them had a revolving door of musicians

kurt schwitterz, Friday, 15 June 2018 18:11 (five months ago) Permalink

I think 'live in chicago' is a better set than Radical Action though RA is more like "starless and bible black" in that it comes across as a studio album.

akm, Friday, 15 June 2018 18:23 (five months ago) Permalink

lol he had 2 bands and both of them had a revolving door of musicians

Black Flag wasn't his band, it was Greg Ginn's. Rollins was their fourth vocalist.

The Rollins Band had one membership change (Andrew Weiss out, Melvin Gibbs in) between 1987 and 1997. Then he fired everybody, hired an existing band and re-named it the Rollins Band.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 15 June 2018 18:35 (five months ago) Permalink

I was a big fan of the previous Live in Chicago, one of the sets with Belew from ... 2008? Something like that. I think the band claimed they were underrehearsed but I thought they kicked ass.

This is nuts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w0vxQ-ueCI&index=3&list=PLXJtCSP_l25BpXDAVGkV2HQ9T2-MrtBcw

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 June 2018 18:38 (five months ago) Permalink

the Radical Action set is incredible. dunno if I really need anything else from them. though I'd love to hear some Lizard stuff.

― frogbs

most crimson lineups have tended to flame out a bit after their first tour, this one has gotten better. you should hear the chicago '17 set. they also do a good version of "fracture" - a little sad i didn't get to see them do that!

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Saturday, 16 June 2018 00:32 (five months ago) Permalink

re-listening to chicago '17, jesus this is the best "easy money" ever. i mean better than "usa". better than central park '73.

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Saturday, 16 June 2018 00:53 (five months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

i quite enjoyed the concert last night and was glad that now i have seen them with robert fripp who was quite in the background but of course in ploaces he added his special "circular" guitar sound from "discipline". "the court of the crimson king" is still one of the most emotionally devastating pieces of music in the world for me. besides that, yes there were three drummers and they had some nice interaction going on. one of them played the mellotron, i think. i hadn't realised before how wide the spectrum of king crimson was, the early melodic art rock with folkish singing, free jazzy parts, hard rocking stuff etc. it was pretty loud and i did not like the crescendoes (they made me think of godspeed, with much less silent-loud dynamics going on though). the lack of melodic inventiveness often seems to be covered up by instrumental masturbation. that was exactly the reason why they never were one of my fave bands. i very much liked the sax and especially the flute which is such an important element of early king crimson. tony levin's bass solo was phantastic. an amazing instrument. i was probably 50 meters away from the stage but the sound was huge! unfortunately they did not play "21st centutry schizoid man". the show lasted for about 3 hours with a 20 minute break. they were very much on time. at the end tony levin made a photo of the audience and we were invited to make a photo of the band. during the concert photos were forbidden according to a voice from tape which also wished us a joyful concert etc. this i found weird but even weirder that people clapped after that. to clap for an announcement from tape, wtf. the audience was mixed but more older (50+, 60+) than younger people, i'd say.

Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 4 July 2018 15:45 (five months ago) Permalink

can't believe they've dropped 21st Century from the set list!

akm, Wednesday, 4 July 2018 16:33 (five months ago) Permalink

For Springsteen On Broadway cameras are likewise forbidden under penalty of seizure/expulsion, but they similarly allow everyone to take pictures at the end. The weird result is that the applause at the end is oddly muted, since everyone is taking pictures.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 July 2018 16:40 (five months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

I finally read Bill Buford's autobiography, which was, as reviewed, quite good, and at times more of a deep-diving treatise than a memoir. He's remarkably well-listened, often as or even more aware of peers, competition and up and comers as he is his band mates, particularly the impenetrable Fripp. There's not much Yes in here, but lots of KC, and the book comes closer than most to answering the eternal Fripp question: "weirdo, genius or asshole." Spoiler: like many artists, he's all three!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 August 2018 18:23 (three months ago) Permalink

Listened to some of Live In Vienna in the car today. Exceptionally good “Fracture” – and nice to hear Fripp do some soundscapes after a long time away from them.

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 19 August 2018 01:56 (three months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

KC have taken an interesting approach to Spotify - a bunch of their live albums are up, but none of the studio albums.

Currently streaming:

Epitaph (Live 1969)
Ladies of the Road (Live 1971/72)
The Nightwatch (Live at the Koncertbebouw, Amsterdam, November 1973)
Absent Lovers (Live in Montreal 1984)
VROOOM VROOOM (Live 1995/96)
Heavy ConstrucKtion (Live in Europe, 2000)
Live in Vienna (2016)
Live in Chicago (2017)
Radical Action to Unseat the Hold of Monkey Mind
Meltdown (Live in Mexico 2017)

grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 10 November 2018 01:38 (one month ago) Permalink

on apple music too as it turns out

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 10 November 2018 02:50 (one month ago) Permalink


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