King Crimson: Classic Or Dud

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I bought a King Crimson album tonight. Tower had them all in a 3 for £18 deal. I bought "Red" thinking it was by the 80s Crimson which has long intrigued me a bit but then it turned out it was by the proper scarey 70s Crimson. EEK! Anyway it sounded OK. What do you think of them?

Tom, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Can't believe they've not been discussed here before. I'm wild about the BEAT/DISCIPLINE/THREE OF A PERFECT pair era of the band (notably for Tony Levin's nimble Chapman stick thwacking). IN THE COURT OF THE CRIMSON rocks thoroughly, of course....."21st Century Schizoid Man"? Who could argue?

I've heard great things about RED, but I've never heard it. Possibly due to the stigma of John Wetton. Even though RED predated Asia by veritable eons, I cannot erase the crime.

Alex in NYC, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Red is the only one I know. The scary instrumental parts are great but when the voices come in they're extremely pallid and non- scary and the mood gets wrecked and I wonder why I'm bothering and I usually put on something else. Do they have any albums that are all instrumental?

Ian, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Red is my favourite of the earlier Crimson, because it's not too wacky. I know we've discussed Crimson on the board before, because we got into this discussion of early Crimson lyrics and how they bordered on the inane. Red is not quite so inane, lyrically, and the music is muscular and scary in places, without getting too overblown. Tom, next purchase should be Discipline, if you're intrigued by the 80s Crimson.

Sean Carruthers, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

More Crimso talk here.

Sean Carruthers, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay, here's a stretch of a question: did any of you out there catch VH-1's "100 Greatest Artists of Hard Rock"? Whell, amidst those 100, they featured a quick segment on Crimson, and showed some live footage of the band, although I'm not sure from which era. The line-up featured Wetton on vocals, doing almost a scat-styled lyric. It was very free- form sounding, but still quite cool. Being that their catalogue is a bit on the vast side (and I'm only really familiar with COURT OF...and the DISCIPLINE and beyond periods), can anyone tell me where that particular track can be found?

Alex in NYC, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I had "Thrak" about 5-6 years back and used to like it a lot. Have not listened to it for a long time. Bought "In the court fo King Crimson" last year. Liked it for some time but then got bored of it. Still like the a couple of songs on that album though.(21st century Schizoid man, The court of the crimson king).

Atul, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

'Red' is OK but overrated. It's so STATIC. Nothing moves, except for the title track it's as constricted as Fripp's bunghole. I actually prefer 'Larks Tongues'. 'Islands' is the worst album ever made by anybody.

dave q, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I quite like Islands, even though its made by the previous line up I can hear quite a lot of Larks in it. Some of the tracks on it are complete clunkers though - the lingering Sinfield / Tippet influence.

Red is ace, and has been discussed here before. The instrumental tracks are the ones that sound less dated - especially the title track and its 'devils interval' backstory.

But I think Wettons vocals on Starless and Red are lovely and I disagree that the placid quietness of them is just 'static' - there is a line on one of the tracks on Starless... 'My Home... was a place by the sea' which I just adore and I've never known why - but it kept popping up in my head when I had my Steve Erickson reading binge a couple of years ago and it has that same mesmeric Erickson quality of difference and strangeness but not different and not strange (ooh thats a hopeless description: Somebody save me here!).

There are three formulas involved in the Larks/Starless/Red tracks - and I think I like them all.

There are the dream-like songs I've already mentioned - all playful repeating echos of other things, and that strange wailing sound which I always imagine is one of them corrugated tubes you wave around your head - but presumably is just frippertronics (it turns up on evening star too). I always thought they were an influence on Nirvana on Nevermind's quiet moments but haven't seen it confirmed that Cobain knew this stuff.

Then there are the agressive ones - Red, the loud bits in Larks part one - the bit in Fracture where it suddenly changes speed. For a prog band they sure conjure with an magikal energy - that stuff sounds great - its a shame that neither the post rockers like Mogwai / Aeorgramme / etc or the Nu Metallers studied that stuff to avoid making their mistakes. Its not just a feature of that period of Crimson though, 21st C on the first album, the bit nicked from Mars on the second have that feel too.

The bits that are left form a third grouping, mainly instrumental and much more passive - but definately not static. The quiet bits of Larks pt1, Trio, Night Watch. Larks overtly references Vaughn Williams and thats a good suggestion of what's going on, Debussy and Satie too. But there is a lack of optimism in those tracks that doesn't sit well with the grace of those influences. They are bleak and hopeless feeling too.

Alexander Blair, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

LARKS' TONGUES and STARLESS AND BIBLE BLACK are both better, though "Starless" is oft-considered the all-in-all best thing they ever did (me, I think it's "Exiles" from Larks').

"Easy Money" has this (on the live versions, not the studio version, alas) great (for prog rock, mind you) bit of lyric:

"So I argued with the judge, But the bastard wouldn't budge, 'cause they caught me licking fudge, and they never told me once, you were a minor..."

Joe, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I only have In the Court of the Crimson King and it's classic, don't listen to anyone who says otherwise. The track "Red" is quite good too. Your next purchase should be Pawn Hearts by Van der Graaf Generator.

sundar subramanian, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Ignoring their ridiculously anal 'chops' - which I sort've admire - I've never heard a King Crimson rec. with tolerable singing on it. It's what puts me off a lot of prog, to be honest. Get 'Dart Drug' by Jamie Muir and Derek Bailey instead!

Andrew L, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Really? What do you find objectionable about the vocals on, say, "Epitaph?"

sundar subramanian, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Sundar they are horrible is what is objectionable!! Which LP is "Ladies of the Road" on? (It's on my best of promo tape... ) Anyway, it is the UGLIEST ROCK SONG EVER WRITTEN, sound and words (it's abt groupies), which is an impressive achievement. Wasn't RED K.Cobain's fave record? KC fascinate me I must say because they grate on me SO extremely: I can't dismiss em at all, because their effect is so exact.

mark s, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Mark - "Ladies" is on 'Islands'! It's the only track on the album where they sound awake, so you can imagine what the rest of it is like. ("Sailor's Tale" doesn't count, of course)

dave q, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

As a teenager I liked the Belew era and hated the Lake era, but now it's opposite. I can't separate KC3 from the other PBS-special 80s 'arty crowd', belongs in 'American Psycho' along with Laurie Anderson, Basquiat, the Roberts Wilson and Mapplethorpe, all the other downtown yuppie shit. Get the first three Talking Heads albums or the middle three KC albums instead.

dave q, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

dude just read what i said in the old thread
"UGH.. I hate the 80's trilogy. I think fripp really lost his magic then. My favortie period is the 73 Starless band. They were so fucking hard and funky. Then they got quiet like a whisper. Awesome stuff. "

chakli, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

More on Belew's fourth-rate David Byrne impersonation - "I repeat myself under stress, I repeat myself under stress." Geddit? Hilarious, eh? Anybody who finds that remotely amusing in any way should be avoided.

dave q, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Red is a great album. I bought it for 4.99 at the HMV sale. It's true that the singing isn't great but it isn't horrible either and the instrumental parts are really fantastic. You can go back to them over and over again. Fripp is on song. It grows on you.

Mark- Apparently Red is KC's favourite album ever. He also loved the raincoats, having written some brief notes for the reissue of their excellent debut. Even though nirvana sucked he had good taste (though I think that he only said that to piss off the metal fans that bought his music).

Julio Desouza, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Lake's voice was quite good, though (per usual) a bit lofty, especially singing Sinfield's lofty lyrics. Still, at least he could sing back then. Wetton's voice was quite good, though has a 'smoky' quality to it that's an acquired taste. Belew is a bit piercing in the higher registers, but I think in the lower registers or when he's imitating Lennon or Orbison, it's okay.

Joe, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

By the way, Greg Lake and John Wetton are the Dick York and Dick Sargent of rock: discuss.

Joe, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Prog is taking over this message board for some reason. Anyway, fine by me. However, Joe, does that make Fripp Sherwood Schwartz? Wrong show! Aaron Spelling?

Classic by virtue of the mid 70s albums alone, though the 80s were at least interesting, with Discipline being a damn good album. I was never a huge fan of the early KC, and the 90s version hasn't knocked me out -- YET. I do look forward to Nuovo Metal, though I really wish Fripp would have stuck with the first ProjeKct (worst gimmick ever, the whole "Kc" thing needs to be stopped) band. Apparently Fripp couldn't live with himself putting out a studio record that was avant-noise, even though that's obviously one of things at which he excels.

dleone, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

re: Wetton and Asia - can't forgive him


I'd never heard Asia until last week (whilst ripping vinyl to cd for an acquaintance) and it was a truely awfull thing to have to put my house through. So I can understand why you might hate him because of this. But I've always liked his mid 70s stuff, most especially the 2 albums he did with Family: "Fearless" and "Bandstand".

However, his lyrics are, for the most part, very bad indeed - has anyone heard 'Same Time Next Week' from Phil Manzanera's "Diamond Head"? Very ugly.

philT, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I used to be a big KC fan and can find something to like about all their albums, but the only stuff I feel like listening to now is Red (because it's heavy and sometimes funky and has 'Starless'), the double live album from the 80s band (because it's like an 80s best of with great sound and because it's poppy and new wave enough that even my girlfriend can like it), and ThraK, which I've always had a soft spot for. I think it's a great blend of their 70s heaviness and 80s pop songs with, um, lots of drums.

Jordan, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

dominique wrote: However, Joe, does that make Fripp Sherwood Schwartz? Wrong show! Aaron Spelling?

Agnes Moorehead, obviously. :)

Joe, Sunday, 17 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

So who's Paul Lynde?

nickn, Sunday, 17 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

mark s, there is a truly eye-popping site discussing Sinfields lyrics here:. http://www.songsouponse a.com/Promenade/ if you want to delve even further into Islands its on chapters 16 and 17.

Ladies of the Road and Formetera Ladies are the clunkers I refered to above btw. Though I think Sinfields worst lyrics are on Still.

Alexander Blair, Sunday, 17 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

i wuv the idea that KC were in fact FUNKY: even slimy-greasy purist chaki says so, tho i note they were carefully not mentioned on THIS THREAD however. What, does the word have two meanings after all?

mark s, Sunday, 17 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

And this is a surprise? ONLY two would be a surprise!

Josh, Sunday, 17 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Alexander wrote: "there is a truly eye-popping site discussing Sinfields lyrics here:. http://www.songsouponse a.com/Promenade/ if you want to delve even further into Islands its on chapters 16 and 17."

Truly unfathomable, I wouldn't have believed it had I not seen it with my own eyes. However, it explains much. There's a site where I help write reviews for prog rock albums, and we once received a snippy letter for dissing the Wake of Poseidon album (or at least, not being fanboy-ish enough towards it), and the person, opening up by claiming we had "less wit and culture than an ant" (yep) used much of the material found in the Wake of Poseidon chapter as their defense of the album and its depth. Maybe it was even The Keeper of the onyx-embolden'd-husking-jewelled-warthogs website himself! :)

Joe, Sunday, 17 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

four years pass...
Boz Burrell, RIP http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=165889

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 22 September 2006 22:32 (fifteen years ago) link

four years pass...

Cue your golf swing.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 16:32 (ten years ago) link

Wow... Mind = blown.

An influential prophet from Denton, Texas (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 16:42 (ten years ago) link

Very cool! thx ned

an excellent source of vitamins and minerals (WmC), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 16:43 (ten years ago) link

"that's some really wild stuff"

buzza, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 16:44 (ten years ago) link

In The Lounge of the Crimson King

tylerw, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 16:46 (ten years ago) link

More on Belew's fourth-rate David Byrne impersonation - "I repeat myself under stress, I repeat myself under stress." Geddit? Hilarious, eh? Anybody who finds that remotely amusing in any way should be avoided.

Dave Q really killed it on this thread, huh? I like lots of KC but I hardly ever find myself playing them. When I do, it's either Larks' Tongues or Beat.

Clarke B., Wednesday, 27 July 2011 18:29 (ten years ago) link

I think Belew's a pretty terrible lyricist but that was kinda the point, right? The lyrics weren't supposed to stand out. It was all about the music at that point.

frogbs, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 18:31 (ten years ago) link

two months pass...

Met this guy tonight who said he'd done tarot card readings with Adrian Belew, back in '83 or so

the story just got weirder from there

geeta, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 07:54 (ten years ago) link

four months pass...
six months pass...

Fripp speaks

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 4 August 2012 20:10 (nine years ago) link

excellent...wish it was longer

frogbs, Saturday, 4 August 2012 20:18 (nine years ago) link

2009 Crimson, with Porcupine Tree drummer as second drummer, was awesome live.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 4 August 2012 21:28 (nine years ago) link

so, who is buying the 13 CD, 1 DVD, 1 Blu-Ray of Larks' Tongue In Aspic?

http://www.dgmlive.com/news.htm?entry=3916

EZ Snappin, Monday, 13 August 2012 19:48 (nine years ago) link

Just registered for DJM live site just so I could hear a sparse guide track for "Islands" the song. Boz sounds like he's singing into a cheap condenser mike, but otherwise it's quite lovely.

'Islands' is the worst album ever made by anybody.
― dave q, Friday, February 15, 2002 7:00 PM (10 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

NO.

Ermahgerd Thomas (Dan Peterson), Monday, 13 August 2012 20:19 (nine years ago) link

its kind of weird to imagine that King Crimson only played a fixed amount of concerts when they were active. it feels like they're able to just create more and more live bootleg material at will, even if it was phyiscally impossible for them to have played that many dates.

frogbs, Monday, 13 August 2012 20:20 (nine years ago) link

So many of them are pretty dodgy quality though, aren't they?

Ermahgerd Thomas (Dan Peterson), Monday, 13 August 2012 20:21 (nine years ago) link

classic:

'released in three separate editions to satisfy the merely curious and the expectant collector'

j., Friday, 17 August 2012 14:31 (nine years ago) link

so, who is buying the 13 CD, 1 DVD, 1 Blu-Ray of /Larks' Tongue In Aspic/?

http://www.dgmlive.com/news.htm?entry=3916


Who ISN'T?

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 20 August 2012 03:26 (nine years ago) link

had no idea they re-recorded the entire ConstruKction of Light album (called, of course, The ReconstrucKction of Light)

it's really good. I never liked the original much but this takes care of a lot of the gripes I had with it, to the point where I think it's about as good as THRAK and Power to Believe. many times I've thought about an album "this could've been so much better" but I can't think of many other times when the band actually made it so

frogbs, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 02:19 (eleven months ago) link

Yeah it’s a big improvement; nothing really fixes how dumb Prozakc Blues is but over all the album sounds much better. Lars, frakctured, and the title track are all really great songs.

akm, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 02:51 (eleven months ago) link

the one thing that redeems that song (somewhat) is the performance on the Heavy ConstruKction live performance...turns out Belew can do the voice just fine

frogbs, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 04:01 (eleven months ago) link

Yknow, I really like the original ConsKCruction! New metal production didn't bother me… I think "Into the Frying Pan" is poignant in a manner never previously achieved by this band, and the playing is much much better than Thrak…but i'll check the re-recording…

veronica moser, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 11:33 (eleven months ago) link

The ReConstruKction of Light is somewhere between a remix and a reconstruction, as Pat Mastelotto redid the drums and partially some other tracks by necessity (ADAT-taped sessions were worked further in ProTools and the computer files then had got lost). This is detailed quite extensively in John Kelman's review of the Heaven & Earth box set (skip to "The Terrifying Tale..." chapter of the review): https://www.allaboutjazz.com/heaven-and-earth-live-and-in-the-studio-1997-2008

jvc, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 13:56 (eleven months ago) link

It's a King Crimson 50-year-copyright-protection-palooza! Every extant session reel from In the Wake Of Poseidon and Lizard is now downloadable. Hearing all 15 takes of "Groon" is the best thing that's happened to me in 2020: https://t.co/9otOpsfbwP

— Andy Zax (@andyzax) December 23, 2020

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 01:44 (eleven months ago) link

Def. a commentary on 2020.

Seriously, was coming here to the post the same thing. Unfortunately I won’t be satisfied until I hear two dozen takes of Boz singing Ladies of the Road.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 03:11 (eleven months ago) link

Listening to the samples, the most unexpected segment is "Groon Soundcheck", which is actually Giles, Giles and Fripp playing Brazil with Fripp singing?

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 04:16 (eleven months ago) link

how on earth are there 15 takes of Groon that didn't end up somewhere on a 44-disc boxset

frogbs, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 04:20 (eleven months ago) link

That would have required a 66-disk boxset.

nickn, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 04:42 (eleven months ago) link

I dreamt last night that Fripp and I were hanging around on the set of a Clint Eastwood film about country music. I played a few chords on an acoustic guitar; "That's utter bullshit," says Robert calmly.

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 15:06 (eleven months ago) link

lol

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 15:54 (eleven months ago) link

five months pass...

they're going on tour and coming here next month!! I just got tickets. so excited.

what should I expect?

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Saturday, 12 June 2021 14:27 (five months ago) link

listening to Thrak for first time now in preparation

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Saturday, 12 June 2021 14:40 (five months ago) link

(I am a huge fan of the 70s and 80s stuff, but just haven't gone further than Three of a Perfect Pair)

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Saturday, 12 June 2021 14:40 (five months ago) link

ooooooooh I really love the opener, why did I never listen to this

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Saturday, 12 June 2021 14:43 (five months ago) link

they're going on tour and coming here next month!! I just got tickets. so excited.

what should I expect?

I saw them in 2017 with more or less the same lineup (Bill Rieflin has subsequently died).

This was my conclusion:

He’s made statements to this effect many times in the past, but it was glaringly obvious from this concert that Robert Fripp is only interested in playing King Crimson music when he can find a way to make it interesting for himself. He has no interest in pushing his fanbase’s nostalgia buttons—yes, he seemed to say many times throughout the evening, you know this song, but it sounds like this now. Compare that with other prog rock bands, who do everything they can to re-create their albums onstage, even when they’re not just playing them front to back, and it’s hard not to admire the guy, whether you’re a fan or not. I like a lot of King Crimson‘s albums (basically, I ride with them from the debut up through 1974’s live USA, and have no use for anything after except for Radical Action), but even as I walked through the door of the Basie, I wasn’t sure I really needed to see them live. I came away very glad I’d gone.

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 12 June 2021 14:49 (five months ago) link

yes, go, I feel like ever opportunity now is possibly the last one. the run of shows since 2014 have been some of my favorite concerts ever. I'm bummed they are splitting time with the Zappa Band at the show I'll attend, but what can you do.

akm, Saturday, 12 June 2021 15:51 (five months ago) link

Ugh I would go but I don’t want to sit through Zappa music nor near Zappa fans.

Van Halen dot Senate dot flashlight (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 12 June 2021 15:57 (five months ago) link

I saw Zappa's final US tour and enjoyed it at the time, but a Zappa revival/cover-band show is a nightmarish prospect.

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 12 June 2021 15:59 (five months ago) link

(basically, I ride with them from the debut up through 1974’s live USA, and have no use for anything after except for Radical Action)

― but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, June 12, 2021 10:49 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Radical Action the song or the live CD set? Because if the former, there are a lot of later KC songs that sound similar you would probably enjoy!

Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 12 June 2021 16:59 (five months ago) link

The live CD set. I can't listen to any KC albums after USA because of Adrian Belew.

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 12 June 2021 17:09 (five months ago) link

Oh, gotcha. Valid, even though I kinda like AB sometimes

Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 12 June 2021 17:45 (five months ago) link

where do we fall on Lizard? I used to get shit for loving that one, but other than Haskell's "I just came from dental surgery" vocals, I think it's fabulous.

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Saturday, 12 June 2021 17:48 (five months ago) link

Lizard is the transition between the early, heavily arranged and overdubbed records and the looser, jazzier sound of Islands. Partly because of the vocals, to me it's by far the most grotesque KC album. Also, I feel like Fripp was chafing against the practise of setting Sinfield's words to music; I don't think he saw himself as a "songwriter" in those terms.

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 12 June 2021 18:13 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

At their show rn. Outdoors. Boxed. Social distanced

Crying. This is amazing

making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 01:03 (four months ago) link

They're playing here in a few days, but not outdoors, kind of a bummer

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 01:21 (four months ago) link

I saw them a few months before lockdown at Radio City Music Hall, right in the middle and only about ten rows back, and it was awesome. I thought my chest was going to explode from the dual kick drums pounding away.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 02:01 (four months ago) link

god it was magical last night.

making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 13:21 (four months ago) link

I see meme'd versions of the Schizoid face all over social media these days, how crazy is it that some random 24 year old computer programmer painted this thing that would become a part of internet culture 50 years later

frogbs, Friday, 30 July 2021 02:49 (four months ago) link

three months pass...

That was far more satisfying than it really had any right to be.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 17 November 2021 03:42 (two weeks ago) link

Sometimes a piece of cultural ephemera comes out that fits so closely to my very niche interests I can't actually believe it exsits

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Wednesday, 17 November 2021 12:19 (two weeks ago) link

Never mind Taylor Swift, here's the remake of Red we all were waiting for.

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 17 November 2021 13:30 (two weeks ago) link

I am actually kind of shocked Fripp never tried to re-record his catalog.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 November 2021 14:59 (two weeks ago) link

he's got a real archivist mentality so I don't think it's that surprising. can't really re-record albums which feature improvs recorded on a specific day

frogbs, Wednesday, 17 November 2021 16:00 (two weeks ago) link

But he's also absolutely fanatical about his masters and feuding with his labels. Doesn't matter now, of course.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 November 2021 16:14 (two weeks ago) link

idk if there's one prog musician who would argue that a note-for-note, practically indistinguishable re-recording of the original material was a TOTALLY DIFFERENT ALBUM I bet it would be him. doesn't he own the masters now? the original run of KC albums gets remastered and reissued every 6 months it seems.

frogbs, Wednesday, 17 November 2021 16:20 (two weeks ago) link

anyway don't wanna derail and don't wanna bump a Bowie thread so I'll just say here that the riff on "Joe the Lion" is so cool

frogbs, Thursday, 18 November 2021 03:45 (two weeks ago) link

be careful what you wish for, i just had a nightmarish vision of the KC catalogue re-recorded with Toyah doing every vocal

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Thursday, 18 November 2021 10:19 (two weeks ago) link

might be good to add some sex appeal to the mix, maybe get the guys interested

frogbs, Thursday, 18 November 2021 14:23 (two weeks ago) link

I think the only re-recording that Fripp has done was to try to remove Gordon Haskell from KC history, having his parts redone by Belew and Levin in a few places. I guess there are also the multiple versions of Exposure, but I don't think that involved any subsequent re-recording.

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 18 November 2021 14:39 (two weeks ago) link

then there's the mythical alternate release of Lizard which is basically the same performance but includes Fripp yelling "wrong!" every time another band member makes a mistake.

Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Thursday, 18 November 2021 16:51 (two weeks ago) link

i need to hear this. all songs need a mythical alternative version with the overbearing patriarch of the band bollocking his mates all the way through

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Thursday, 18 November 2021 16:54 (two weeks ago) link

It's not just for Fall records any more!

nickn, Thursday, 18 November 2021 17:10 (two weeks ago) link

Like his reaction to someone auditioning for his Guitar Craft school: "Not entirely wretched".

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 18 November 2021 17:20 (two weeks ago) link

Listening to the new live album Music Is Our Friend, mostly recorded in DC in September, and it's pretty fucking amazing. I saw them in 2017 and Radical Action... is pretty close in spirit to the show I saw. This is much heavier, the sax solos are free-jazz-ier, and the drummers are going absolutely berserk. I didn't think I needed any more 21st century live KC albums, but this one might be their most crushing live record ever.

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 20 November 2021 00:38 (one week ago) link

I recall the show I saw in 2017 (I think?) to be OK, but not this good. The drummers are more unleashed here, which is cool and which reminds me of the last (final?) tour I caught with Belew in 2008. Like, when you've got Gavin Harrison, let the dude do his thing, you know?

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 21 November 2021 00:22 (one week ago) link

The show I saw in 2019 (referenced upthread) was this good. They’re really incredible live – and getting incredibler.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 23:44 (one week ago) link

they were amazing this year, granted it helped that I was mega drunk, outdoors in socially distanced seating with good friends, but it was fantastic.

people were headbanging lol, and not even to 21st Century

Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 November 2021 00:00 (one week ago) link


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