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I bought a King Crimson album tonight. Tower had them all in a 3 for £18 deal. I bought "Red" thinking it was by the 80s Crimson which has long intrigued me a bit but then it turned out it was by the proper scarey 70s Crimson. EEK! Anyway it sounded OK. What do you think of them?

Tom, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Can't believe they've not been discussed here before. I'm wild about the BEAT/DISCIPLINE/THREE OF A PERFECT pair era of the band (notably for Tony Levin's nimble Chapman stick thwacking). IN THE COURT OF THE CRIMSON rocks thoroughly, of course....."21st Century Schizoid Man"? Who could argue?

I've heard great things about RED, but I've never heard it. Possibly due to the stigma of John Wetton. Even though RED predated Asia by veritable eons, I cannot erase the crime.

Alex in NYC, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Red is the only one I know. The scary instrumental parts are great but when the voices come in they're extremely pallid and non- scary and the mood gets wrecked and I wonder why I'm bothering and I usually put on something else. Do they have any albums that are all instrumental?

Ian, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Red is my favourite of the earlier Crimson, because it's not too wacky. I know we've discussed Crimson on the board before, because we got into this discussion of early Crimson lyrics and how they bordered on the inane. Red is not quite so inane, lyrically, and the music is muscular and scary in places, without getting too overblown. Tom, next purchase should be Discipline, if you're intrigued by the 80s Crimson.

Sean Carruthers, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

More Crimso talk here.

Sean Carruthers, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Okay, here's a stretch of a question: did any of you out there catch VH-1's "100 Greatest Artists of Hard Rock"? Whell, amidst those 100, they featured a quick segment on Crimson, and showed some live footage of the band, although I'm not sure from which era. The line-up featured Wetton on vocals, doing almost a scat-styled lyric. It was very free- form sounding, but still quite cool. Being that their catalogue is a bit on the vast side (and I'm only really familiar with COURT OF...and the DISCIPLINE and beyond periods), can anyone tell me where that particular track can be found?

Alex in NYC, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I had "Thrak" about 5-6 years back and used to like it a lot. Have not listened to it for a long time. Bought "In the court fo King Crimson" last year. Liked it for some time but then got bored of it. Still like the a couple of songs on that album though.(21st century Schizoid man, The court of the crimson king).

Atul, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

'Red' is OK but overrated. It's so STATIC. Nothing moves, except for the title track it's as constricted as Fripp's bunghole. I actually prefer 'Larks Tongues'. 'Islands' is the worst album ever made by anybody.

dave q, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I quite like Islands, even though its made by the previous line up I can hear quite a lot of Larks in it. Some of the tracks on it are complete clunkers though - the lingering Sinfield / Tippet influence.

Red is ace, and has been discussed here before. The instrumental tracks are the ones that sound less dated - especially the title track and its 'devils interval' backstory.

But I think Wettons vocals on Starless and Red are lovely and I disagree that the placid quietness of them is just 'static' - there is a line on one of the tracks on Starless... 'My Home... was a place by the sea' which I just adore and I've never known why - but it kept popping up in my head when I had my Steve Erickson reading binge a couple of years ago and it has that same mesmeric Erickson quality of difference and strangeness but not different and not strange (ooh thats a hopeless description: Somebody save me here!).

There are three formulas involved in the Larks/Starless/Red tracks - and I think I like them all.

There are the dream-like songs I've already mentioned - all playful repeating echos of other things, and that strange wailing sound which I always imagine is one of them corrugated tubes you wave around your head - but presumably is just frippertronics (it turns up on evening star too). I always thought they were an influence on Nirvana on Nevermind's quiet moments but haven't seen it confirmed that Cobain knew this stuff.

Then there are the agressive ones - Red, the loud bits in Larks part one - the bit in Fracture where it suddenly changes speed. For a prog band they sure conjure with an magikal energy - that stuff sounds great - its a shame that neither the post rockers like Mogwai / Aeorgramme / etc or the Nu Metallers studied that stuff to avoid making their mistakes. Its not just a feature of that period of Crimson though, 21st C on the first album, the bit nicked from Mars on the second have that feel too.

The bits that are left form a third grouping, mainly instrumental and much more passive - but definately not static. The quiet bits of Larks pt1, Trio, Night Watch. Larks overtly references Vaughn Williams and thats a good suggestion of what's going on, Debussy and Satie too. But there is a lack of optimism in those tracks that doesn't sit well with the grace of those influences. They are bleak and hopeless feeling too.

Alexander Blair, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

LARKS' TONGUES and STARLESS AND BIBLE BLACK are both better, though "Starless" is oft-considered the all-in-all best thing they ever did (me, I think it's "Exiles" from Larks').

"Easy Money" has this (on the live versions, not the studio version, alas) great (for prog rock, mind you) bit of lyric:

"So I argued with the judge, But the bastard wouldn't budge, 'cause they caught me licking fudge, and they never told me once, you were a minor..."

Joe, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I only have In the Court of the Crimson King and it's classic, don't listen to anyone who says otherwise. The track "Red" is quite good too. Your next purchase should be Pawn Hearts by Van der Graaf Generator.

sundar subramanian, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Ignoring their ridiculously anal 'chops' - which I sort've admire - I've never heard a King Crimson rec. with tolerable singing on it. It's what puts me off a lot of prog, to be honest. Get 'Dart Drug' by Jamie Muir and Derek Bailey instead!

Andrew L, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Really? What do you find objectionable about the vocals on, say, "Epitaph?"

sundar subramanian, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Sundar they are horrible is what is objectionable!! Which LP is "Ladies of the Road" on? (It's on my best of promo tape... ) Anyway, it is the UGLIEST ROCK SONG EVER WRITTEN, sound and words (it's abt groupies), which is an impressive achievement. Wasn't RED K.Cobain's fave record? KC fascinate me I must say because they grate on me SO extremely: I can't dismiss em at all, because their effect is so exact.

mark s, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Mark - "Ladies" is on 'Islands'! It's the only track on the album where they sound awake, so you can imagine what the rest of it is like. ("Sailor's Tale" doesn't count, of course)

dave q, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

As a teenager I liked the Belew era and hated the Lake era, but now it's opposite. I can't separate KC3 from the other PBS-special 80s 'arty crowd', belongs in 'American Psycho' along with Laurie Anderson, Basquiat, the Roberts Wilson and Mapplethorpe, all the other downtown yuppie shit. Get the first three Talking Heads albums or the middle three KC albums instead.

dave q, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

dude just read what i said in the old thread
"UGH.. I hate the 80's trilogy. I think fripp really lost his magic then. My favortie period is the 73 Starless band. They were so fucking hard and funky. Then they got quiet like a whisper. Awesome stuff. "

chakli, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

More on Belew's fourth-rate David Byrne impersonation - "I repeat myself under stress, I repeat myself under stress." Geddit? Hilarious, eh? Anybody who finds that remotely amusing in any way should be avoided.

dave q, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Red is a great album. I bought it for 4.99 at the HMV sale. It's true that the singing isn't great but it isn't horrible either and the instrumental parts are really fantastic. You can go back to them over and over again. Fripp is on song. It grows on you.

Mark- Apparently Red is KC's favourite album ever. He also loved the raincoats, having written some brief notes for the reissue of their excellent debut. Even though nirvana sucked he had good taste (though I think that he only said that to piss off the metal fans that bought his music).

Julio Desouza, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Lake's voice was quite good, though (per usual) a bit lofty, especially singing Sinfield's lofty lyrics. Still, at least he could sing back then. Wetton's voice was quite good, though has a 'smoky' quality to it that's an acquired taste. Belew is a bit piercing in the higher registers, but I think in the lower registers or when he's imitating Lennon or Orbison, it's okay.

Joe, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

By the way, Greg Lake and John Wetton are the Dick York and Dick Sargent of rock: discuss.

Joe, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Prog is taking over this message board for some reason. Anyway, fine by me. However, Joe, does that make Fripp Sherwood Schwartz? Wrong show! Aaron Spelling?

Classic by virtue of the mid 70s albums alone, though the 80s were at least interesting, with Discipline being a damn good album. I was never a huge fan of the early KC, and the 90s version hasn't knocked me out -- YET. I do look forward to Nuovo Metal, though I really wish Fripp would have stuck with the first ProjeKct (worst gimmick ever, the whole "Kc" thing needs to be stopped) band. Apparently Fripp couldn't live with himself putting out a studio record that was avant-noise, even though that's obviously one of things at which he excels.

dleone, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

re: Wetton and Asia - can't forgive him


I'd never heard Asia until last week (whilst ripping vinyl to cd for an acquaintance) and it was a truely awfull thing to have to put my house through. So I can understand why you might hate him because of this. But I've always liked his mid 70s stuff, most especially the 2 albums he did with Family: "Fearless" and "Bandstand".

However, his lyrics are, for the most part, very bad indeed - has anyone heard 'Same Time Next Week' from Phil Manzanera's "Diamond Head"? Very ugly.

philT, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I used to be a big KC fan and can find something to like about all their albums, but the only stuff I feel like listening to now is Red (because it's heavy and sometimes funky and has 'Starless'), the double live album from the 80s band (because it's like an 80s best of with great sound and because it's poppy and new wave enough that even my girlfriend can like it), and ThraK, which I've always had a soft spot for. I think it's a great blend of their 70s heaviness and 80s pop songs with, um, lots of drums.

Jordan, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

dominique wrote: However, Joe, does that make Fripp Sherwood Schwartz? Wrong show! Aaron Spelling?

Agnes Moorehead, obviously. :)

Joe, Sunday, 17 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

So who's Paul Lynde?

nickn, Sunday, 17 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

mark s, there is a truly eye-popping site discussing Sinfields lyrics here:. http://www.songsouponse a.com/Promenade/ if you want to delve even further into Islands its on chapters 16 and 17.

Ladies of the Road and Formetera Ladies are the clunkers I refered to above btw. Though I think Sinfields worst lyrics are on Still.

Alexander Blair, Sunday, 17 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i wuv the idea that KC were in fact FUNKY: even slimy-greasy purist chaki says so, tho i note they were carefully not mentioned on THIS THREAD however. What, does the word have two meanings after all?

mark s, Sunday, 17 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

And this is a surprise? ONLY two would be a surprise!

Josh, Sunday, 17 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Alexander wrote: "there is a truly eye-popping site discussing Sinfields lyrics here:. http://www.songsouponse a.com/Promenade/ if you want to delve even further into Islands its on chapters 16 and 17."

Truly unfathomable, I wouldn't have believed it had I not seen it with my own eyes. However, it explains much. There's a site where I help write reviews for prog rock albums, and we once received a snippy letter for dissing the Wake of Poseidon album (or at least, not being fanboy-ish enough towards it), and the person, opening up by claiming we had "less wit and culture than an ant" (yep) used much of the material found in the Wake of Poseidon chapter as their defense of the album and its depth. Maybe it was even The Keeper of the onyx-embolden'd-husking-jewelled-warthogs website himself! :)

Joe, Sunday, 17 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

four years pass...
Boz Burrell, RIP http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=165889

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 22 September 2006 22:32 (ten years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

Cue your golf swing.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 16:32 (six years ago) Permalink

Wow... Mind = blown.

An influential prophet from Denton, Texas (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 16:42 (six years ago) Permalink

Very cool! thx ned

an excellent source of vitamins and minerals (WmC), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 16:43 (six years ago) Permalink

"that's some really wild stuff"

buzza, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 16:44 (six years ago) Permalink

In The Lounge of the Crimson King

tylerw, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 16:46 (six years ago) Permalink

More on Belew's fourth-rate David Byrne impersonation - "I repeat myself under stress, I repeat myself under stress." Geddit? Hilarious, eh? Anybody who finds that remotely amusing in any way should be avoided.

Dave Q really killed it on this thread, huh? I like lots of KC but I hardly ever find myself playing them. When I do, it's either Larks' Tongues or Beat.

Clarke B., Wednesday, 27 July 2011 18:29 (six years ago) Permalink

I think Belew's a pretty terrible lyricist but that was kinda the point, right? The lyrics weren't supposed to stand out. It was all about the music at that point.

frogbs, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 18:31 (six years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Met this guy tonight who said he'd done tarot card readings with Adrian Belew, back in '83 or so

the story just got weirder from there

geeta, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 07:54 (five years ago) Permalink

four months pass...
six months pass...

Fripp speaks

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 4 August 2012 20:10 (five years ago) Permalink

excellent...wish it was longer

frogbs, Saturday, 4 August 2012 20:18 (five years ago) Permalink

2009 Crimson, with Porcupine Tree drummer as second drummer, was awesome live.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 4 August 2012 21:28 (five years ago) Permalink

so, who is buying the 13 CD, 1 DVD, 1 Blu-Ray of Larks' Tongue In Aspic?

http://www.dgmlive.com/news.htm?entry=3916

EZ Snappin, Monday, 13 August 2012 19:48 (five years ago) Permalink

Just registered for DJM live site just so I could hear a sparse guide track for "Islands" the song. Boz sounds like he's singing into a cheap condenser mike, but otherwise it's quite lovely.

'Islands' is the worst album ever made by anybody.
― dave q, Friday, February 15, 2002 7:00 PM (10 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

NO.

Ermahgerd Thomas (Dan Peterson), Monday, 13 August 2012 20:19 (five years ago) Permalink

its kind of weird to imagine that King Crimson only played a fixed amount of concerts when they were active. it feels like they're able to just create more and more live bootleg material at will, even if it was phyiscally impossible for them to have played that many dates.

frogbs, Monday, 13 August 2012 20:20 (five years ago) Permalink

So many of them are pretty dodgy quality though, aren't they?

Ermahgerd Thomas (Dan Peterson), Monday, 13 August 2012 20:21 (five years ago) Permalink

classic:

'released in three separate editions to satisfy the merely curious and the expectant collector'

j., Friday, 17 August 2012 14:31 (five years ago) Permalink

so, who is buying the 13 CD, 1 DVD, 1 Blu-Ray of /Larks' Tongue In Aspic/?

http://www.dgmlive.com/news.htm?entry=3916


Who ISN'T?

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 20 August 2012 03:26 (five years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I totally got more into KC with age.

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Sunday, 7 May 2017 18:15 (three months ago) Permalink

I originally only liked the '72-74 lineup(s); now I like everything until that point. The Belew-era stuff and everything after can still fuck off, though.

Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and Violent J (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 7 May 2017 18:20 (three months ago) Permalink

i don't get people's reluctance to like the 80's albums. those are, all three, awesome records.

akm, Sunday, 7 May 2017 21:13 (three months ago) Permalink

I love that period! I might play those as often as any of the others.

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Sunday, 7 May 2017 21:15 (three months ago) Permalink

The Discipline era of KC does have a very different sound than the earlier incarnation. Few weeks back I put together a playlist couple of those records up with some Talking Heads, early 80s Bowie, Roxy Music, Iggy and The Police and it all fit together really well in that context.

earlnash, Sunday, 7 May 2017 22:31 (three months ago) Permalink

we've discussed this before but Kate Bush's The Dreaming, Peter Gabriel's 3/4(Security), 80's Roxy, Talking Head's FEar of Music/Remain in Light, Bowie's late 70's output and 80's Crimson are certainly of an ilk that is more 'art rock' than 'progressive rock'; this period (from about 77-84) certainly encompasses some of my favorite albums of all time.

akm, Sunday, 7 May 2017 22:40 (three months ago) Permalink

I loved 81-84 Crim then and still like them now, but my favorite Fripp artifact from those years is the League of Gentlemen.

20-lol pileup (WilliamC), Sunday, 7 May 2017 23:22 (three months ago) Permalink

yeah that's good too. an artifact of his time in NYC (like 80's crim is really), along with his Heads work and the song he did with Blondie.

akm, Sunday, 7 May 2017 23:41 (three months ago) Permalink

I like to think of Fripp cutting off all his hair and shaving at the end of the 70's and moving to NYC just as punk and no wave are getting into full swing.

akm, Sunday, 7 May 2017 23:42 (three months ago) Permalink

"Uh, can I play you, um, some of the new things I've been doing that I think could be commercial?"

doug watson, Monday, 8 May 2017 01:13 (three months ago) Permalink

Exposure FTW here

doug watson, Monday, 8 May 2017 01:13 (three months ago) Permalink

Him and Eno both hit NYC at just the right time.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 8 May 2017 03:30 (three months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

This snuck past me -- the Radical Action live album and Heroes EP have been put up on Spotify. Discovered via an interview with David Singleton here -- http://www.makeweirdmusic.com/discover/david-singleton/

Mr. Crackpots (WilliamC), Saturday, 17 June 2017 02:34 (two months ago) Permalink

seeing them tomorrow night in oakland- psyched

Max-Headroom-drops-a-deuce-while-shredding (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 17 June 2017 02:55 (two months ago) Permalink

How's the current tour? I could travel to Toronto to see them next week - it is probably unrealistic but idk how many more chances I'll get to see them with Fripp. I realized after the fact that I have tickets to see Buffy Ste Marie in Ottawa the same night they're playing Montreal.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 20:27 (one month ago) Permalink

jesus xrist: Mel is quoting "baby elephant walk" in the interlude formerly performed by D Cross in Lark's I on Radical Action etc… Shouldn't it be more like something Schoenberg?

veronica moser, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 20:45 (one month ago) Permalink

Mancini also a misunderstood (if certifiably untortured) genius so I'm cool with it

or at night (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 22:35 (one month ago) Permalink

mel plays something different in that section every show. he played "i left my heart in san francisco" at the oakland show.

yes, anyone with any passing interest in Crimson should see this tour.

akm, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 23:14 (one month ago) Permalink

Except me, because I saw them a year and a half ago in a small club and it was great and I'm not sure I needed to see them again in a bigger (albeit beautiful) venue. Where they are I think playing right now.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 29 June 2017 02:35 (one month ago) Permalink

well, yeah, if you saw them in this iteration no absolute need to see hem this time out, though they are playing Circus, parts of Lizard, and Islands now.

akm, Thursday, 29 June 2017 02:42 (one month ago) Permalink

Oh and Fracture

akm, Thursday, 29 June 2017 02:42 (one month ago) Permalink

I gotta say that when Josh iIC said probly in this thread that Jakko is more or less like one of those guys going "OMG OMG I'm in my favorite band OMG OMG" it ruined it for me. I can't stand his voice.

it's bizarre to me that Fripp thinks that he should go with this guy, who seems to have hijacked the decision making process to the point where Lizard and Islands songs are strongly emphasized, instead of adrian. Like the guy seems to think that he is restoring KC to its former glory, erasing 1981-2003. Although I see that they're playing some adrian shit. Also bizarre to me that the saddo anorak 70s stans were so offended by Adrian in the first place; maybe Jakko is one of them.

Me and some dudes here in NYC area were gonna go to red bank to see 'em at the Basie theater two mondays from now, but its too difficult to get there on a Monday night, so I hope they come back for NY shows that are not 30 miles away. I do wanna hear shit from Red, Starless and Larks. the drums do sound cataclysmic on the live record. Buncha old ponytails at the show, right?

also occurred to me that KC is the only band of the movement with no dedicated keyboardist. Mcdonald, Cross and Fripp only messed with mellotron secondarily, Tippett didn't join and Rieflin is the first one, really.

veronica moser, Thursday, 29 June 2017 02:58 (one month ago) Permalink

counterpoint, Jakko sounds like an amalgam of all Crimson's vocalists from 69-74, certainly not as good as Lake or Wetton but he's better than the other two. I think he handles the early material alright, or at least better than Adrian would've. don't get me wrong I think Adrian's voice is great but IMO it wasn't a good fit when the band dipped into the back catalogue (which was pretty rare, of course). that said I am a bit surprised that they couldn't find a better singer than Jakko, given that this is a fairly high-profile gig, but I can see why they picked him - he knows the stuff well (having been in 21st Century Schizoid Band) and is a pretty accomplished musician in his own right. I kinda feel like Fripp cared more about his capabilities on guitar than his voice.

frogbs, Thursday, 29 June 2017 03:58 (one month ago) Permalink

agreed, jakko is certainly a prog afficionado but he is a great musician. he handles second guitar duties on these songs more than admirably. many parts that fripp handled on the original recordings are played by him extremely well. is it as 'creative' as adrian's approach? no; but this is much more like a recital than a rock show. anyway, adrian had a good run. he was in Crimson longer than anyone else except for Fripp. I'm fine with them doing something else now, as much as I'd actually like to see a stripped down 4 piece handle those 80's songs again.

akm, Thursday, 29 June 2017 04:35 (one month ago) Permalink

but I'd also like to see David Cross back too.

akm, Thursday, 29 June 2017 04:36 (one month ago) Permalink

I thought Jakko was much better this time around. I thoroughly enjoyed them although as before I still have no idea what Reiflin was doing onstage.

Max-Headroom-drops-a-deuce-while-shredding (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 29 June 2017 06:03 (one month ago) Permalink

in the middle of Radical's "Construkction" which I really like (2000 album is much much better than Thrak in my view) but man, the FLUTE!!!! Mel's sax is fine, but good grief the flute is sone shit that should stay in 1972…

veronica moser, Thursday, 29 June 2017 13:39 (one month ago) Permalink

idk I think it's kinda cool for KC to be bringing back the flutes and 'trons and doing the "what if we wrote this in the 70's" thing. the new "VROOOM" is pretty interesting. wish they did more of that sort of thing.

frogbs, Thursday, 29 June 2017 13:50 (one month ago) Permalink

When I listened to Radical Action a couple times I couldn't shake the blahh eminating from Jakko's voice. Everything else is on point. It's sad that vocals have such an important role in my opinion of this current iteration, because I really can't shake them off. Boringness seethes through his teethe.

the ghost of lorax past (FlopsyDuck), Thursday, 29 June 2017 13:53 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah at this point I'm enjoying Radical (On "Pictures of A City" presently) only to think that since Fripp doesn't like Sinfield's poesy, they should have played vocal melodies on one instrument or another. Jakko is too much a super fan.

veronica moser, Thursday, 29 June 2017 13:59 (one month ago) Permalink

I liked the Poseidon stuff the best from my couple listens.

the ghost of lorax past (FlopsyDuck), Thursday, 29 June 2017 14:03 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah I think the "Pictures of a City" take on there is the best one I've ever heard

frogbs, Thursday, 29 June 2017 14:25 (one month ago) Permalink

I'm far from a superfan (the last album I bought was Discipline but I loved them up to that point.) I just watched a recent vid of "Easy Money" and was blown away. I don't get the kvetching about Jakko's voice at all; this is exactly what I would want a KC show in 2017 to sound like. Setlists look fantastic to me too, I'm kinda kicking myself for not making the effort to go.

smug dinner-jazz atrocity (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 29 June 2017 14:31 (one month ago) Permalink

I'm seriously considering trying for a press ticket for one of the Red Bank shows.

grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 29 June 2017 15:07 (one month ago) Permalink

Jakko is probably the "best" vocalist KC has had since Greg Lake, although his voice is fairly unremarkable and without character.

akm, Thursday, 29 June 2017 16:26 (one month ago) Permalink

idk I think Adrian is a pretty good singer

frogbs, Thursday, 29 June 2017 17:48 (one month ago) Permalink

I really wish they had just gone the Projekct route and had these guys all gather to make a racket and improvise.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:10 (one month ago) Permalink

that element is sorely needed by this group. and with the assembled talent you'd think it has the potential to be ferocious

Max-Headroom-drops-a-deuce-while-shredding (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:33 (one month ago) Permalink

It's kind of weird. Fripp has assembled this cool motley crew, but this is the first time the band is (more or less) looking backward.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 29 June 2017 20:05 (one month ago) Permalink

also occurred to me that KC is the only band of the movement with no dedicated keyboardist. Mcdonald, Cross and Fripp only messed with mellotron secondarily, Tippett didn't join and Rieflin is the first one, really.

― veronica moser

ehhh, i'm not sure if i'd go _that_ far. after the moody blues, king crimson are pretty much the definitive mellotron prog band. they had two mellotrons on stage _and_ pete sinfield with his vcs. they never went full-on synth like all the other prog bands, true, but "no dedicated keyboardist" is a technicality.

Rodney Stooksbury for President (rushomancy), Friday, 30 June 2017 01:26 (one month ago) Permalink

that element is sorely needed by this group. and with the assembled talent you'd think it has the potential to be ferocious

― Max-Headroom-drops-a-deuce-while-shredding (Sparkle Motion)

yeah they could be the biggest ass-kickers in the retirement home

fripp got old. it was bound to happen sometime. him sitting huddled in the corner in an afghan held it off for many years, but guys i think he's just not cool anymore.

The Saga of Rodney Stooksbury (rushomancy), Friday, 30 June 2017 01:28 (one month ago) Permalink

He was definitely cool when he was hanging out with Blondie and Talking Heads in New York.

heaven parker (anagram), Friday, 30 June 2017 07:53 (one month ago) Permalink

i have a framed black and white print of that photo. i need to remember to put it up at work.

The Saga of Rodney Stooksbury (rushomancy), Friday, 30 June 2017 12:32 (one month ago) Permalink

loooool

frogbs, Friday, 30 June 2017 13:13 (one month ago) Permalink

WTF, this thread the last two days.

"Fripp got old"? Seriously?

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 1 July 2017 00:24 (one month ago) Permalink

It's kind of weird. Fripp has assembled this cool motley crew, but this is the first time the band is (more or less) looking backward.

Yup, and in that sense it's new. I've been listening to Radical Action on Spotify for the last few days – and it has some pretty intense renditions. Pictures of a City is exceptional. Easy Money—a song I didn't need to hear another version of again—absolutely shreds.

Don't get me wrong – I belatedly fell in love with the Projekts-era/double duo band. Mastelotto in particular is amazing on those recordings. And I'm still warming up to all of Jakko's vocals. But people here make it sound like this band is going thru the motions opening for Jock Bartley's Firefall or something. Between Collins' jazzbo honking, the three-headed drum shit, and Fripp tearing it up at 71—all over these very classy-sounding arrangements—there is some pretty intense music happening here.

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 1 July 2017 00:42 (one month ago) Permalink

I've put in a press ticket request for the first night in Red Bank (a week from Sunday). Haven't heard back yet, but if I go there'll be a long review on Burning Ambulance afterward.

grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 1 July 2017 00:43 (one month ago) Permalink

I'll admit that I was a little far gone by the time they hit Prince Rupert Awakes but in the midst of the chaos I had a "what the fuck am I listening to" moment as if I were hearing the music for the first time again. It pretty much ruled.

Max-Headroom-drops-a-deuce-while-shredding (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 1 July 2017 05:36 (one month ago) Permalink

Love the harmonies on the first minute or so of "sailor's tale"

calstars, Saturday, 1 July 2017 05:41 (one month ago) Permalink


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