― Tom, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
I've heard great things about RED, but I've never heard it. Possibly
due to the stigma of John Wetton. Even though RED predated Asia by
veritable eons, I cannot erase the crime.
― Alex in NYC, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ian, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sean Carruthers, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Atul, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― dave q, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
Red is ace, and has been discussed here before. The instrumental
tracks are the ones that sound less dated - especially the title
track and its 'devils interval' backstory.
But I think Wettons vocals on Starless and Red are lovely and I
disagree that the placid quietness of them is just 'static' - there
is a line on one of the tracks on Starless... 'My Home... was a place
by the sea' which I just adore and I've never known why - but it kept
popping up in my head when I had my Steve Erickson reading binge a
couple of years ago and it has that same mesmeric Erickson quality of
difference and strangeness but not different and not strange (ooh
thats a hopeless description: Somebody save me here!).
There are three formulas involved in the Larks/Starless/Red
tracks - and I think I like them all.
There are the dream-like songs I've already mentioned - all
playful repeating echos of other things, and that strange wailing
sound which I always imagine is one of them corrugated tubes you wave
around your head - but presumably is just frippertronics (it turns up
on evening star too). I always thought they were an influence on
Nirvana on Nevermind's quiet moments but haven't seen it confirmed
that Cobain knew this stuff.
Then there are the agressive ones - Red, the loud bits in Larks
part one - the bit in Fracture where it suddenly changes speed. For a
prog band they sure conjure with an magikal energy - that stuff
sounds great - its a shame that neither the post rockers like
Mogwai / Aeorgramme / etc or the Nu Metallers studied that stuff to
avoid making their mistakes. Its not just a feature of that period of
Crimson though, 21st C on the first album, the bit nicked from Mars
on the second have that feel too.
The bits that are left form a third grouping, mainly instrumental
and much more passive - but definately not static. The quiet bits of
Larks pt1, Trio, Night Watch. Larks overtly references Vaughn
Williams and thats a good suggestion of what's going on, Debussy and
Satie too. But there is a lack of optimism in those tracks that
doesn't sit well with the grace of those influences. They are bleak
and hopeless feeling too.
― Alexander Blair, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
"Easy Money" has this (on the live versions, not the studio version,
alas) great (for prog rock, mind you) bit of lyric:
"So I argued with the judge,
But the bastard wouldn't budge,
'cause they caught me licking fudge,
and they never told me once,
you were a minor..."
― Joe, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― sundar subramanian, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Andrew L, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― mark s, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― chakli, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
Mark- Apparently Red is KC's favourite album ever. He also loved the
raincoats, having written some brief notes for the reissue of their
excellent debut. Even though nirvana sucked he had good taste (though
I think that he only said that to piss off the metal fans that bought
― Julio Desouza, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― dleone, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― philT, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jordan, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
Agnes Moorehead, obviously. :)
― Joe, Sunday, 17 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― nickn, Sunday, 17 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
Ladies of the Road and Formetera Ladies are the clunkers I refered
to above btw. Though I think Sinfields worst lyrics are on Still.
― Alexander Blair, Sunday, 17 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― mark s, Sunday, 17 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Josh, Sunday, 17 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
Truly unfathomable, I wouldn't have believed it had I not seen it
with my own eyes. However, it explains much. There's a site where I
help write reviews for prog rock albums, and we once received a
snippy letter for dissing the Wake of Poseidon album (or at least,
not being fanboy-ish enough towards it), and the person, opening up
by claiming we had "less wit and culture than an ant" (yep) used much
of the material found in the Wake of Poseidon chapter as their
defense of the album and its depth. Maybe it was even The Keeper of
the onyx-embolden'd-husking-jewelled-warthogs website himself! :)
― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 22 September 2006 22:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Cue your golf swing.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 16:32 (eight years ago) link
Wow... Mind = blown.
― An influential prophet from Denton, Texas (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 16:42 (eight years ago) link
Very cool! thx ned
― an excellent source of vitamins and minerals (WmC), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 16:43 (eight years ago) link
"that's some really wild stuff"
― buzza, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 16:44 (eight years ago) link
In The Lounge of the Crimson King
― tylerw, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 16:46 (eight years ago) link
More on Belew's fourth-rate David Byrne impersonation - "I repeat myself under stress, I repeat myself under stress." Geddit? Hilarious, eh? Anybody who finds that remotely amusing in any way should be avoided.
Dave Q really killed it on this thread, huh? I like lots of KC but I hardly ever find myself playing them. When I do, it's either Larks' Tongues or Beat.
― Clarke B., Wednesday, 27 July 2011 18:29 (eight years ago) link
I think Belew's a pretty terrible lyricist but that was kinda the point, right? The lyrics weren't supposed to stand out. It was all about the music at that point.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 18:31 (eight years ago) link
Met this guy tonight who said he'd done tarot card readings with Adrian Belew, back in '83 or so
the story just got weirder from there
― geeta, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 07:54 (eight years ago) link
― nostormo, Saturday, 4 February 2012 13:35 (eight years ago) link
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 4 August 2012 20:10 (seven years ago) link
excellent...wish it was longer
― frogbs, Saturday, 4 August 2012 20:18 (seven years ago) link
2009 Crimson, with Porcupine Tree drummer as second drummer, was awesome live.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 4 August 2012 21:28 (seven years ago) link
so, who is buying the 13 CD, 1 DVD, 1 Blu-Ray of Larks' Tongue In Aspic?
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 13 August 2012 19:48 (seven years ago) link
Just registered for DJM live site just so I could hear a sparse guide track for "Islands" the song. Boz sounds like he's singing into a cheap condenser mike, but otherwise it's quite lovely.
'Islands' is the worst album ever made by anybody.― dave q, Friday, February 15, 2002 7:00 PM (10 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Ermahgerd Thomas (Dan Peterson), Monday, 13 August 2012 20:19 (seven years ago) link
its kind of weird to imagine that King Crimson only played a fixed amount of concerts when they were active. it feels like they're able to just create more and more live bootleg material at will, even if it was phyiscally impossible for them to have played that many dates.
― frogbs, Monday, 13 August 2012 20:20 (seven years ago) link
So many of them are pretty dodgy quality though, aren't they?
― Ermahgerd Thomas (Dan Peterson), Monday, 13 August 2012 20:21 (seven years ago) link
― frogbs, Friday, 17 August 2012 13:23 (seven years ago) link
'released in three separate editions to satisfy the merely curious and the expectant collector'
― j., Friday, 17 August 2012 14:31 (seven years ago) link
so, who is buying the 13 CD, 1 DVD, 1 Blu-Ray of /Larks' Tongue In Aspic/?http://www.dgmlive.com/news.htm?entry=3916
― Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 20 August 2012 03:26 (seven years ago) link
They play that song! Xpost
― pippin drives a lambo through the gates of isengard (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 15 April 2019 18:46 (ten months ago) link
haha yeah they do do that one but instrumental
― akm, Monday, 15 April 2019 18:47 (ten months ago) link
All I really want from them is Larks 6
― pippin drives a lambo through the gates of isengard (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 15 April 2019 18:54 (ten months ago) link
Yeah, they've got a bunch of unrecorded material that makes it into the live sets, and the old material is pretty thoroughly transformed - it's basically [riff you recognize] > [totally new arrangement, improvised solos, triple drum break] > [riff you recognize].
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 15 April 2019 19:12 (ten months ago) link
Maybe they've shaken things up since I saw them in 2015, then. At the shows I saw, the old stuff was treated pretty reverentially.
― the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Monday, 15 April 2019 19:21 (ten months ago) link
The most recent live set - Meltdown: Live In Mexico - was recorded on the tour I saw, with the eight-piece lineup. It gives a good idea of where they're at these days.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 15 April 2019 19:24 (ten months ago) link
holy shit there's a soundboard of a complete muir-lineup gig coming out next week? hot damn
― Jaki Liebowitz (rushomancy), Thursday, 18 April 2019 00:41 (ten months ago) link
something that wasn't on one of those giant boxed sets?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 April 2019 00:46 (ten months ago) link
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 18 April 2019 01:23 (ten months ago) link
[q]It was also, coincidentally, the first King Crimson concert ever attended by writer and King Crimson biographer Sid Smith. He confirms that the capacity audience was quite content to hear unfamiliar material and respond with enthusiasm to the challenge presented.
As he says of the recording: “Had this tape been available to the compilers of the 2012 Larks' Tongues In Aspic: The Complete Recordings 15-disc set, I have absolutely no doubt that this concert would have been the jewel in that particular crown. Good quality examples of the Muir-era quintet are so few and far between that, a soundboard tape like this is a precious find indeed.”
He’s absolutely correct and while this is – buyer beware – taken from a cassette made directly from the soundboard, with all of the audio limitations that implies, even after the DGM restoration team has applied its expertise to the tape, it is also the best single live example of Jamie Muir’s short time with this line-up and it’s there that the magic truly lies.
This was King Crimson confidently playing the material that would, for the most part, make up the classic Larks’ Tongues in Aspic album – performed in its near entirety and, improvisations excluded, in the running order that would emerge on vinyl in early 1973 and which is still, some 46 years later, regarded as one of the band’s classic recordings and a classic of the era in which it was performed, recorded and released.
Taped with no expectation that it would be used other than, possibly, by a band member wanting to check an element of a previous night’s performance, an imperfect mix direct to cassette from a live feed, un-played since 1972 and still, as thrilling a live recording as you’re likely to encounter in 2019.[./q]
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 April 2019 01:36 (ten months ago) link
For those wondering: Live in Newcastle, December 8, 1972
― Brakhage, Thursday, 18 April 2019 19:27 (ten months ago) link
Now that the latest lineup has been together for 5 years(!!), I went back to—or rather, went to, since I’d never heard it—the record Fripp made in 2011 with Jakko, Mel Collins, Gavin Harrison and Tony Levin, A Scarcity of Miracles. Deemed “a King Crimson ProjeKct” at the time, with a little hindsight it sounds like both a warmup for the current band and maybe a bit of a trial run at a potentially new direction for the current incarnation of the band that they sorta/kinda/didn’t really pursue. Based on some guitar improvs Fripp and Jakko recorded, ASoM has a cleaner, glossier modern prog sound more akin to Steven Wilson’s recent material than anything by Crimson to that point. A bunch of material here is, in effect, Fripp Soundscapes (most of which are recycled from pieces he’d played solo and with Theo Travis for about a decade) plus vocals and a rhythm section. As a fan of Soundscapes, I find the concept of turning them into tunes and performances intriguing even if the results are not particularly captivating. I do like the rhythm interplay of Levin and Harrison. I also like the sound of the guitars interlaid with the ethereal harmonies – Jakko’s voice layers well. And Collins is responsible for some classy horn charts and tasty solos that keep things from floating away – he sounds particularly good here. The tunes? Well they’re pleasant enough if not especially memorable (a few have popped up on the recent KC live albums). In retrospect, even if they’ve included some new material on the live albums I do wonder whether Fripp’s reluctance to take this most recent lineup into the studio has anything to do with him not being totally convinced the songs would be there. But all in all, this is interesting ... and sounds more like a slightly poppier, more atmospheric version of the current Crimson than I’d been expecting. ProjeKct ho.
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 6 June 2019 01:19 (eight months ago) link
Interesting that most of the studio albums have arrived on spotify, but not ITCOCK or Larks. I thought they'd all drop in one bunch. I wish they'd add USA and the Great Deceiver box as well.
― WmC, Monday, 10 June 2019 21:27 (eight months ago) link
Red isn't there either.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 00:41 (eight months ago) link
Yeah, I think it's meant to be a gradual rollout and those are the "big three," so I guess he's saving them for last...
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 00:42 (eight months ago) link
Sorry to disappoint fans eager to experience the full set of studio albums on Spotify. The omission is on Spotify's side rather than King Crimson's. They have been made aware of it & are working to rectify the matter.— KING CRIMSON (@DGMHQ) June 11, 2019
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 05:48 (eight months ago) link
Rieflin's regular stints away from Crimson explained, presumably, by this:
― akm, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 20:15 (six months ago) link
Oh, that's terrible news. She was a fantastic artist.
― Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 21:03 (six months ago) link
Aw. I'd describe her work as instantly iconic. I associated her so closely with Crimson's work that I never once thought who was doing the art!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 August 2019 15:22 (six months ago) link
her paintings are really cool. for KC I liked them much more than the PJ Crook stuff they'd been using for much of the 90's/00's.
― akm, Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:48 (six months ago) link
Report from the field- night 2 of the Oakland stand just concluded. From my vantage at the very back of the house, they still peeled the paint off when it came to Fracture, Schizoid & especially Starless, which was as good a take as I’ve heard them do. The stately stuff was good too- especially the coda of Court.
The drum features were more pronounced and much longer than ever- I suspect it’s a necessary break for this aged group.
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 7 September 2019 06:01 (five months ago) link
Hey, I was there, too. Way in the back. I agree with your assessment. I’ve always wanted to see them and now I have.
― beard papa, Saturday, 7 September 2019 06:19 (five months ago) link
Set list was pretty concise- they went long on the big set pieces, less of the Lizard/Islands stuff they’d been doing, and no new tunes.
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 7 September 2019 06:46 (five months ago) link
Wanted to listen to the first album yesterday, and noticed that while every other record is on Amazon Music (our family streaming service of choice), "In the Court of the Crimson King" is mysteriously absent.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 13:42 (five months ago) link
I was there too on that night! had to miss thursday unfortunately but of the two nights I've determined Friday was the one to be at. I actually thought it was the best KC show I've ever seen, certainly the best since the 2014 reunion.
― akm, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 17:26 (five months ago) link
Court is about to be reissued (again) so maybe that's why it's unavailable.
A buddy from work went both nights and said Friday was the better of the 2 shows, although they did play Frame by Frame(!) on Thursday, which I would have loooooved to hear
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 17:49 (five months ago) link
oh I was passed a recording of Thursday's show, I should listen to it.
― akm, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 17:59 (five months ago) link
ok, gave that track a listen. It's alright; there's a slightly different opening that's longer with different lyrics. Rest of the song doesn't sound miles away from the previous versions of it aside from Jakko singing but there's a lot of Mel taking up sounds that used to be covered by Belew. Anyway, it's cool. I'm sure a better official recording of this will come out at some point from DGM.
― akm, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 18:13 (five months ago) link
surely... one thing that I found interesting about the show was how much more integrated the keyboard stuff was, and how much better the songs were for it. I think Mel's bag of tricks is either fairly limited, or it's just really difficult to do anything other than play a textural part in many of the tunes - he ends up doing a lot of flute trills by necessity. The stuff where they have him play a lead line that used to be a vocal, like you describe, works the best IMO
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 18:22 (five months ago) link
Was also at the Fox show on Friday! Though 2nd row of the upper orchestra right in the middle... killer seats. I was bummed there was Larks Tongues Part 1, but ecstatic about the 15-20 minute version of 21st Century Schizoid Man! So many classics they didn't play when I saw them in 2005. Quite happy Belew is no longer with the band, I much prefer Jakko Jakszyk, especially for the older material.
And they played Cat Food?! Whoa. Didn't see that coming.
― octobeard, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 19:19 (five months ago) link
bummed there was NO Larks Tongues Part 1... oops. I think they played that Thursday.
Oh yeah, Cat Food was a real treat. This was the third present-era show I've seen and the Friday they did best versions of Schizoid and Starless I've heard
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 19:43 (five months ago) link
Saw them in Boston last night – I’ve caught them each time they’ve come through here since 2014. And while myperspective may be somewhat slanted by these being by far our best seats yet, it was also, I thought, the best show of the three by some distance. I think the key to this lineup is Jeremy Stacey – who, in addition to being a terrific drummer, adds a whole other gear on keyboards and piano. They’ve never had a Keith Tippett figure in their live band. That means, in addition to being able to play songs like, say, “Cat Food,” they can also stretch out the Larks Tongues/Starless/Red-era stuff in ways that have never been possible. That meant that “Red”—a track I love but had tired of—had parts with Collins and Stacey that made it sound like it was being played by the Islands band. It was amazing. About Collins ... I was really, really blown away by him last night. He’s always been a good player but his solos—both during the free sections (and there were a lot of these) but also during tracks like “Starless”—were legitimately “out” but also very musical and dynamic. And for me, the colors he added with the flute trills and baritone riffage were great (the latter in unison with guitar you can shoot directly into my veins). His contributions and Stacey’s together—along with Tony busting out some jazz chops and Fripp rediscovering his inner-Django—made the whole thing feel more like a pure fusion of the first and second eras of the band than I’d previously heard. And that’s what’s kind of amazing: that after 50 years doing this—and 5 with this iteration—that they are still moving forward, still changing things up and still getting better. That was not something I was expecting. Progressive indeed.
― Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 20 September 2019 13:06 (five months ago) link
I guess it follows that a band famous for its improv chops would get better when it stopped worrying about writing songs.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 20 September 2019 13:48 (five months ago) link
xpwhat do you mean by "out"
― brain dead operatus (FlopsyDuck), Friday, 20 September 2019 14:46 (five months ago) link
They definitely sounded like a jazz-rock version of themselves when I saw them two years ago, and the more I think back on that performance, the more positive my feelings are about the direction they've been going. I'm seriously thinking about buying that 5CD live set that has one disc each of performances from 2014-2018.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 20 September 2019 15:03 (five months ago) link
I mean leaning toward free jazz -- not some rock guy's usually simplistic idea of what "free jazz" sounds like but the actual thing. I was legitimately surprised last night how comfortable the band sounded stretching out this way. Tony's cadenza solo on the upright stuck somewhat close to the melody of the song ("Moonchild," I think) but was far more inventive than his "pro's pro" reputation would lead you to expect. Collins walked the line between free, Brotzmann-esque riffs and post-Coltrane solos. Stacey, as mentioned, was fabulous. And Fripp busted out chops and a sound he hasn't really explored for nearly a half-century -- it was actually kind of shocking that a 72-year-old man can recall how he played in his early twenties.
I like this group enough that I probably would've been satisfied with pale-if-faithful imitations of past glories. This wasn't that at all.
― Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 20 September 2019 20:07 (five months ago) link
I must have lost all of that sitting in the nosebleed section. I'll await the next live recording in that case.
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 20 September 2019 20:11 (five months ago) link
Aaaaand now I've ordered the 5CD box, and the 3CD Radical Action to Unseat... set.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 20 September 2019 20:23 (five months ago) link
I've got the earlier 4CD version of the 5CD live compilation; you won't be disappointed. It's my favourite KC album tbh.
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 21 September 2019 07:41 (five months ago) link
Does that Audio Diary thing have a release date?
― Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 21 September 2019 13:56 (five months ago) link
Don't know; I got the earlier 4CD set nearly a year ago, having bought "Courtier's Package" seats for their Manchester gig (birthday treat for the boyfriend). We got one each, so I flipped the spare on Discogs for £££. I'd never been a fan of classic period KC, and only bought the gig tix as an act of love. But I've since discovered that the current live line-up is easily my favourite incarnation of the band - and it seems to be Fripp's, too. Saw one of the 50th anniversary shows at the Albert Hall not long ago, and it was equally brilliant.
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 21 September 2019 18:05 (five months ago) link
I assume, since it's a giveaway to super-deluxe ticket-buyers (as described in the post above), it'll probably be shipped to us plebes once the tour ends?
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Saturday, 21 September 2019 18:22 (five months ago) link
overheard a couple exiting the stereolab show last night:
him: it was this kind of 'Robert Fripp meets--'her: shut the fuck up
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 20 October 2019 17:04 (four months ago) link
― mark s, Sunday, 20 October 2019 17:06 (four months ago) link
I got my copy of the 5CD box a week or so ago. It's great - and there's even a track (the "Interlude" on Disc Four) from the show I attended.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Sunday, 20 October 2019 17:08 (four months ago) link
nostalgia hipster slap fight
― Spironolactone T. Agnew (rushomancy), Sunday, 20 October 2019 17:36 (four months ago) link
This Cosmic FuKc documentary looks like it might be fun.
― Miami weisse (WmC), Friday, 24 January 2020 13:59 (one month ago) link
lmao ok that is a good trailer
― frogbs, Friday, 24 January 2020 14:20 (one month ago) link