To clarify for those that haven't been following it, net neutrality is the idea that internet service providers may try to take an interest in the content being sent over their network and attempt to influence it. That would mean that they may privilege certain traffic, like degrading torrent transfer speeds since it saturates the network, or more likely do something like degrading the performance of certain sites while accelerating others.
I think neutrality is good, although it's a touchy thing. If I was into a lot of online gaming, I'd happily pay for an ISP that privileged game traffic to reduce latency, which would be allowable under most deals. But there are issues that fall slightly outside of it. What if your ISP was iTunes Store-approved and they had local caches of popular media, so you're getting downloads at torrent speeds without the necessity to keep up a ratio? Or if your all-you-can-eat music plan was bundled with your ISP bill?
― mh, Monday, 29 October 2007 15:59 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.synthtopia.com/news/06_05/images/moby.jpg
― sanskrit, Monday, 29 October 2007 17:50 (sixteen years ago) link
I honestly wonder if I'm a dinosaur now, because I still see CDs as the privileged, "ideal" form of music and would never pay for mp3s because I can't imagine paying for: a) a digital file to store on my computer/mp3 player; b) something twice, because I'd probably be picking up the CD too.
I'd be willing to pay for FLACs or other lossless formats, though.
― Leee, Monday, 29 October 2007 18:04 (sixteen years ago) link
"lossless"
― am0n, Monday, 29 October 2007 18:48 (sixteen years ago) link
http://oink.cx.la/
?
― Chewshabadoo, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:07 (sixteen years ago) link
lol scam
― jhøshea, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:08 (sixteen years ago) link
re: the woman who "stood up" to the RIAA in the article upthread, she didn't so much stand up to them as present a unbelievably stupid defense that hinged on "You can't prove that that user was me. Oh wait, you can? well uh shit that sucks."
so plz plz try not to use her as an example of civil disobedience or whatever.
― John Justen, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:11 (sixteen years ago) link
list of scams:
http://tehpaine.blogspot.com/2007/10/scamsite-news.html
― amit, Monday, 29 October 2007 21:11 (sixteen years ago) link
I obviosuly put my naive hat on today.
― Chewshabadoo, Monday, 29 October 2007 22:14 (sixteen years ago) link
re: the woman who "stood up" to the RIAA in the article upthread, she didn't so much stand up to them as present a unbelievably stupid defense that hinged on "You can't prove that that user was me. Oh wait, you can? well uh shit that sucks."so plz plz try not to use her as an example of civil disobedience or whatever.-- John Justen, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:11 (3 hours ago) Link
-- John Justen, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:11 (3 hours ago) Link
Yes, this was my impression of her case. Especially considering that to fight it in civil court doesn't seem like it would do much other than generate even more cost from a legal standpoint. I am wondering more what could/would happen if someone were to get charged criminally as a user, and then defend themselves with some badass copyright lawyers and say (in effect), "yeah, I did it. But these laws should be changed."
― doctorfunktronic, Monday, 29 October 2007 22:34 (sixteen years ago) link
I just signed up at wh*t.cd (For now, the real url is http://incegmbh.com/) and it looks promising. It's a fresh start from scratch rather than trying to fit in with someone else's jive and a lot of people in the "say hi" thread forum are describing their taste such as: "newwave/ebm/darkambient/synth/yelling/bizarrecore" which bodes well, I think. On libble I couldn't get people to snatch my files no how.
So how is what.cd, saudade? i've stayed away from most after the oink collapse. everything looks like entrapment to me now anyways. waffles.fm, for example, wants people to send screenshots of their oink accounts/ paypal donation receipts to oink in order to get an invite. probably, probably nothing to fret over, but still....
So is Libble hosted in the US? Is that true? How about what.cd? And that libble invite thread is insane. Damn I feel old....
― fourfoldvision, Tuesday, 30 October 2007 02:56 (sixteen years ago) link
I like what.cd a lot better than any of the other "replacements" that have popped up so far. It has a clean and appealing design, pretty good user base made up of a lot of people who seem dedicated to rebuilding what made opp so unique--the collection of 200,000 torrents of unparalleled breadth and diversity.
However, what.cd is still buggy as hell, but not cripplingly so and the bandwidth seems to be sufficient. It's also currently hosted in the US because they're waiting for a .se host to open up, but will migrate as soon as that happens (soon). There are already multiple thousand torrents on the site and it's climbing at a rate of about 80 to 100 an hour--crazy! Lots of enthusiasm. Considering it's only been around for 3 days they're doing really well. :) I'm sure once things calm down they will have to clean house a bit though.
― saudade, Tuesday, 30 October 2007 03:38 (sixteen years ago) link
am0n it be true http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flac
― babedad, Tuesday, 30 October 2007 03:47 (sixteen years ago) link
you know, people, you can still hear clips for free of almost everything these days before you buy...
― babedad, Tuesday, 30 October 2007 03:49 (sixteen years ago) link
Thanks, saudade. it's been beat to death here, but shit-- some of the stuff on oink was wild. there were at least three formats of the karate kid soundtrack there (seriously). and three versions ain't near enough of that magic.... (I did, however, find this ridiculously rare funk record, The Black Experience Unlimited, which only had like a 200 pressing).
― fourfoldvision, Tuesday, 30 October 2007 03:56 (sixteen years ago) link
over at lizzible, the natives are growing wary:
"If you'd taken a look around you'd see that NMEtorrents would be a more fitting name. You Oinkers just don't understand!"
― amit, Tuesday, 30 October 2007 04:22 (sixteen years ago) link
pirate bay c/d?
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 30 October 2007 08:10 (sixteen years ago) link
The idea of pirate bay as a discussion point to get things moving: c The fact that it still is, well, stealing and illegal: d
― StanM, Tuesday, 30 October 2007 08:20 (sixteen years ago) link
no i mean as a reputable place to illegaly download music.
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 30 October 2007 08:22 (sixteen years ago) link
it's rubbish. try what.cd or wait a day for waffles, the great white hope. or whatever the oinkers have planned.
from #waffles.fm-chat:
[6:12pm] notlucky: all asians are gay? [6:12pm] JfuckinGlass: Yup [6:12pm] notlucky: [6:12pm] hellohello: yeah [6:12pm] hellohello: and the frenchies too [6:13pm] xt3rm: i think 25% of america is gay
bring back oink, thx.
― amit, Tuesday, 30 October 2007 09:19 (sixteen years ago) link
BOINK.CD load testing and early boink torrent upload FORMER OINK MEMBERS ONLY
― jergïns, Tuesday, 30 October 2007 10:07 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't really cotton to this "oink members only stuff"--what's going on right now could be a tremendous opportunity for new people to get involved and start to appreciate flac etc., quality and dedication should be the criteria that helps select people for torrent communities, not screen caps and BS. As someone has already said somewhere else 'how many people were banned from oink every day?' because they couldn't toe the line. These same people can be banned anew wherever they turn up.
And Fourfoldvision, you are so totally otm about finding something so rare on oink that it was like your personal musical holy grail, the record that you thought you would never see, let alone hear in a good rip with the liner notes and everything. sigh.
― saudade, Tuesday, 30 October 2007 13:39 (sixteen years ago) link
what's going on right now could be a tremendous opportunity for new people to get involved
yeh, like cops :)
― grimly fiendish, Tuesday, 30 October 2007 13:46 (sixteen years ago) link
If only people put as much energy into reshaping the music industry as they do into finding new ways to download illegally.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 30 October 2007 13:54 (sixteen years ago) link
^^these 2 things are not mutually exclusive.
― saudade, Tuesday, 30 October 2007 13:59 (sixteen years ago) link
True... I'm just sayin' is all.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 30 October 2007 14:01 (sixteen years ago) link
word 'em up jon /via/ chi 2.0
― saudade, Tuesday, 30 October 2007 14:04 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21376597/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21444566/
― am0n, Tuesday, 30 October 2007 14:21 (sixteen years ago) link
The Electronic Frontier Foundation confirmed the AP's findings with its own tests — including spotting forged messages sent by Comcast's computers to shut down connections.
This is stupid as hell if they want to maintain common carrier status, unless they're doing this to all torrent traffic. With quality of service crap you could list your policy on bandwidth allocation, but actually screwing with customers' connections by sending bad data is a shoddy business practice at best and malicious at worst.
― mh, Tuesday, 30 October 2007 14:26 (sixteen years ago) link
will not be an Oink clone, but something completely different.
Where's the new less-incriminating software supporting this drastic change?
-- trashthumb, Friday, October 26, 2007 3:07 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Link
http://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bay-sees-a-future-without-bittorrent-071030/
― StanM, Tuesday, 30 October 2007 19:58 (sixteen years ago) link
Haha. Trent Reznor is a copyright violating OiNK user: http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2007/10/trent_reznor_and_saul_williams.html
― Bill in Chicago, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 01:17 (sixteen years ago) link
lol
― jhøshea, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 01:32 (sixteen years ago) link
funny the only thing you ever heard abt oink was like people begging for invites on message boards then they get busted and it turns out everyone in the world was a member
― jhøshea, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 01:34 (sixteen years ago) link
i gave an invite to someone in a pretty hueg band
― jhøshea, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 01:35 (sixteen years ago) link
Trent Reznor: 'It was like the world's greatest record store'
― Alba, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 22:35 (sixteen years ago) link
So w/r/t all the new multitudes of OiNK replacement sites cropping up everywhere, has anyone noticed a preponderance of jazz uploaders on any one of the new ones? I would be interested, from a purely academic point of view, to know if the bulk of that is going to one tracker or another. The enormous range of jazz on OiNK, e.g. Mosaic sets and RVG editions, always warmed my heart.
I mean, when my friend showed them to me. Because I didn't download them. *cough*
― doctorfunktronic, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 22:37 (sixteen years ago) link
It would be interesting to see a listing of all the albums that were available on OINK at the end. I hear people talking about the enormous range, but I'm curious just how vast it was.
― o. nate, Thursday, 1 November 2007 16:33 (sixteen years ago) link
there was never anything, no matter how obscure, that I couldn't find there, with enough seeders that it downloaded in a few minutes.
― akm, Thursday, 1 November 2007 16:40 (sixteen years ago) link
see now i wish i had actually tried it.
― forksclovetofu, Thursday, 1 November 2007 16:59 (sixteen years ago) link
Wow, Trent's comments are actually some of the most sensible I've read so far about OiNK.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 1 November 2007 17:02 (sixteen years ago) link
he's biting dj /rupture.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 1 November 2007 18:40 (sixteen years ago) link
reznor can afford to pay, the dick.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 1 November 2007 18:45 (sixteen years ago) link
there was never anything, no matter how obscure, that I couldn't find there
this was quite far from my experience and i don't think my tastes are particularly obscure.
― jed_, Thursday, 1 November 2007 21:50 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah, that's def an overstatement, but doesn't change the fact that it dwarfed the selection of any record shop, online or not
and the request system did work well enough for records not on the tracker, i had a new request filled about once or twice a week on average. interesting too, because the request system didn't run based on incentive like the ratio system
― lucas pine, Thursday, 1 November 2007 22:14 (sixteen years ago) link
Hmm ... I'm fairly sure Amazon offered a far bigger catalogue overall, even if OINK was more focussed on things I might want.
― Alba, Thursday, 1 November 2007 23:10 (sixteen years ago) link
oh you're right, i misspoke
― lucas pine, Thursday, 1 November 2007 23:16 (sixteen years ago) link
There was about 215000 torrents on oink, I think.
― saudade, Friday, 2 November 2007 03:10 (sixteen years ago) link
mmmmmmmm waffles
― czn, Saturday, 3 November 2007 23:19 (sixteen years ago) link
There's a RIAA message on what.cd after you login, apparently.
― StanM, Friday, 9 November 2007 09:55 (sixteen years ago) link
Oh, and demonoid is gone.
― StanM, Friday, 9 November 2007 09:56 (sixteen years ago) link