TS: In Your Eyes vs. Rosanna

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Or, songs written for the Rosanna Arquette, OPO.

"Rosanna" garnered more grammys, but wasn't even the best track on Toto IV (that would be "Africa," people.)

"In Your Eyes" endeared John Cusack to a generation, but the album track is only a pale shadow of the "special mix," which never got airplay. (See TS: Peter Gabriel's "Sledgehammer" vs "Steam" for details.)

rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 21:06 (eighteen years ago) link

In Your Eyes, no contest.

patita (patita), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link

"Rosanna" wins only because it is not "In Your Eyes"

Aaron A., Wednesday, 17 August 2005 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link

its really hard for me not to reply to this...just know that.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 21:11 (eighteen years ago) link

odd how close to 'africa' 'in your eyes' is!

i vote 'in your eyes' (although i'd never heard 'it's for rosanna' before, the only 'story behind the song' i'd heard was that it was some daft metaphor about satan or something)

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 21:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Katché vs Porcaro
I'll go with In Your Eyes for it's nice world music blend and the fact that it is a better song.
But I do love the slick groove to Rosanna. RIP Jeff.

bahtology, Wednesday, 17 August 2005 21:16 (eighteen years ago) link

The Afro-guitars in "In Your Eyes" alone make it classic.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 22:17 (eighteen years ago) link

RIP Jeff.

Was he the one who died from lawn chemicals or something? He was a good drummer, those guys were all session-slick.

I'd give this to Gabriel on the merits, but at the moment I'd kind of rather hear Toto...

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 22:27 (eighteen years ago) link

The Jeffery Gaines version of In Your Eyes trumps all

Bryan Moore (Bryan Moore), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 22:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Rosaaanna, Rosaaana

billstevejim (billstevejim), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link

The Afro-guitars in "In Your Eyes" alone make it classic.

The finger-snaps in "Rosanna" alone make it classic.

gypsy mothra OTM

rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 22:43 (eighteen years ago) link

after much thought -"rosanna"

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 22:47 (eighteen years ago) link

"All I wanna do when I wake up in the morning is see your eyes..."

Seventeen syllables just in the first line alone, delivered as smooth as creekwater. I reluctantly give Toto their props.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 22:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Explain me "meet you all the way"?

Seriously. It has suddenly occurred to me that I have no fucking clue as to what, precisely, this meeting you all the way describes.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 22:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I used to think that was "Me too, all the way". Which doesn't make any less sense.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 23:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd take Don't Give Up over In Your Eyes, which is just played OUT.
Rosanna has like a million parts, all fresh. Especially the horns.

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 23:31 (eighteen years ago) link

play on meet you halfway....it means he'll do whatever it takes. he'll make the ultimate sacrifice. or maybe he'll go the distance. i don't know!

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 23:34 (eighteen years ago) link

The vocals on "Rosanna" are LAME.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 18 August 2005 00:02 (eighteen years ago) link

really, i think they are perfect for the song.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 18 August 2005 04:41 (eighteen years ago) link

also this is a very well integrated song even all its many different and somewhat unusual parts ... pg's is plain and hammering and its few parts (except for intros) just aren't good enough to withstand that. ...it would be interesting if they really were about the same person.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 18 August 2005 04:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I always thought that "In Your Eyes" was about God... See below.

I just watched "Say Anything" for the first time earlier this week, and now I am hooked on that song. If you would have asked me one year ago when I found Toto IV on vinyl at a yard sale which song I liked better, I would have gone with "Rosanna". Even though "Africa" is undoubtedly the best song on the album.

The real question is: Peter Gabriel solo or Phil Collins solo? I am posting a new thread on this.

PETER GABRIEL LYRICS

"In Your Eyes"

love I get so lost, sometimes
days pass and this emptiness fills my heart
when I want to run away
I drive off in my car
but whichever way I go
I come back to the place you are

all my instincts, they return
and the grand facade, so soon will burn
without a noise, without my pride
I reach out from the inside

in your eyes
the light the heat
in your eyes
I am complete
in your eyes
I see the doorway to a thousand churches
in your eyes
the resolution of all the fruitless searches
in your eyes
I see the light and the heat
in your eyes
oh, I want to be that complete
I want to touch the light
the heat I see in your eyes

love, I don't like to see so much pain
so much wasted and this moment keeps slipping away
I get so tired of working so hard for our survival
I look to the time with you to keep me awake and alive

and all my instincts, they return
and the grand facade, so soon will burn
without a noise, without my pride
I reach out from the inside

in your eyes
the light the heat
in your eyes
I am complete
in your eyes
I see the doorway to a thousand churches
in your eyes
the resolution of all the fruitless searches
in your eyes
I see the light and the heat
in your eyes
oh, I want to be that complete
I want to touch the light,
the heat I see in your eyes
in your eyes in your eyes
in your eyes in your eyes
in your eyes in your eyes

James G. Wert, Thursday, 18 August 2005 12:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I always thought that "In Your Eyes" was about God

No, he just plays bass on the track.

I have now listened to both, and am prepared to render judgment. ::ahem::

Both tracks are irrefutably classic. So it's neck-and-neck through the first couple of exchanges, with both tracks uncoiling restrained verses into soaring refrains.

Point to "In Your Eyes": Jeff Porcaro's tense polyrhythms and Mike Porcaro's tight funk aren't nearly enough to top two-headed Marotta/Katché monster, not with Yahweh's own liquid fretwork on the chorus.

Point to "Rosanna": "In Your Eyes" brings the cool christians on backing vox (Steve Kerr and Michael Been), but one of the "Rosanna" Grammys was for Best Instrumental Arrangement Accompanying Vox.

And then "Rosanna" hits that boogie-woogie bridge, and the wheels come off, and "In Your Eyes" pwns.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 18 August 2005 22:21 (eighteen years ago) link

no

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 18 August 2005 22:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Susan, I wish I could join you on the dark side (insert John Cafferty joke) but that Holiday Inn/airport lounge boogie just kills the whole party dead for me. Despite the ace backing vox and fingersnaps.

Whereas Tony Levin gives my ears a hard-on.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 18 August 2005 22:47 (eighteen years ago) link

s'alright, i'm doing fine "on the dark side". sometimes your deconstruction while very keen, doesn't add up to the whole i hear.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 18 August 2005 23:08 (eighteen years ago) link

The problem with Jeff Porcaro is that, like a lot of session drummers, he's got technical proficiency but no personality. I mean, Vinnie Colaiuta played with Sting, Zappa and on "Nightshift" by the Commodores, not that you'd be able to tell by listening. Manu Katche, on the other hand, is immediately recognizable. Even when, on "So," he's augmented by another drummer or two (Marrotta, Stewart Copeland) and tons of sequenced drums.

Ergo, "In Your Eyes," a song that I doubt will ever end up on a cheesy "Best of the '80s" comp. Not least because it's a rare universal classic that wasn't a hit.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Thursday, 18 August 2005 23:25 (eighteen years ago) link

That is far from fair in reference to the Maestro Colaiuta. Some of us have good enough ears to be able to tell his playing just from his striking of the snare drum. Or by his unique groove alone. Others can recognize his drumming from the outlandish stuff he can pull off.
To say that Colaiuta has no personality to his playing is just plain ignorant.
Take for example, Sting's Brand New Day disc. Colaiuta and Katché both share drumming duties. Both styles are equally unique and equally recognizeable. This is good because individual credits are not listed.
A singular example, when I first heard Faith Hill's song Cry....One listen on the radio and I knew that it was Vinnie on drums. I had no idea that he had done work on her new album. Turned out I was right.

bahtology, Friday, 19 August 2005 00:41 (eighteen years ago) link

odd how close to 'africa' 'in your eyes' is!

Just listened to both tonight. A mash-up waiting to happen.

PS - God, I love "Cry."

rogermexico (rogermexico), Friday, 19 August 2005 02:22 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
I've got news for you all. "In your Eyes" was NOT written about Roseanna Arquette. It was written about another actress who was dating Peter in 1985 and 1986 before Arquette entered his life. Also with "Roseanna" the only thing Arquette was the inspiration for was the title and not the song, which the band has repeatedly said publicly, ad nauseam.

Daniel Lanois (Lanois), Saturday, 15 October 2005 20:25 (eighteen years ago) link

ten months pass...
wow! i just heard "rosanna" and i can't stop listening to it. what a perfect song.

derrick (derrick), Sunday, 10 September 2006 01:23 (seventeen years ago) link

It's all about those thunderous chords that wake the song up after the first stanza. Yacht Rock nailed this perfectly. You're bobbing along, feeling the smooth, he's just sailing the vocal on in, and then BRARROW DOW! ALL I WANNA DO IN THE MIDDLE OF THE EVENING IS HOLD YOU TIIIIGHT ... It's electric. Although... "in the middle of the evening"? Even Paul Simon takes you all the way till it's late in the evening. How about night, guys?

The boogie part is fucking terrible though. Pretty well redeemed by the solo. This thread makes me think I should give "In Your Eyes" another chance, I've always disdained it as a sappy ballad but I don't think I've ever really sat down and listened to it not in the context of dopes fawning over its sappy John Cusack-themed classicness.

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Rosanna in a fucking walk, the hairstyles alone are godlike
ihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-bsxXe38DY&mode=related&search=

timmy tannin (pompous), Sunday, 10 September 2006 05:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Is the long version of "In Your Eyes" with the lengthy Youssou N'Dour coda available on any CD?

Hideous Lump (Hideous Lump), Sunday, 10 September 2006 05:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Rosanna in a fucking walk

amen

ruddy raleigh and the rickets (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 10 September 2006 05:34 (seventeen years ago) link

It's on 12-inch. It begins with the lovely, humble "Accepting all I've done and said, I want to stand and stare again...."

I still stand by what I wrote last year. If it was "Africa" versus any of Gabriel's African experiments he might have more competition...

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 10 September 2006 05:34 (seventeen years ago) link

lengthy Youssou N'Dour coda

more like lengthy youssou n'dourance test amirite?

ruddy raleigh and the rickets (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 10 September 2006 05:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I really hope that was actually Lanois upthread.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 September 2006 05:47 (seventeen years ago) link

y'know, i had mucho problems with xgau over the years, but sometimes the dude just NAILED it

(on Peter Gabriel)"beware of middlebrows bearing electric guitars"

timmy tannin (pompous), Sunday, 10 September 2006 05:50 (seventeen years ago) link

It's on 12-inch. It begins with the lovely, humble "Accepting all I've done and said, I want to stand and stare again...."

Yeah, that's the one, where the "You're a Mean One, Mr. Grinch" guy pops in on backup vox. I've got the 12", but vinyl is so inconvenient these days (meaning I've got too many CDs piled on top of the turntable).

Hideous Lump (Hideous Lump), Sunday, 10 September 2006 05:58 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
It's all about those thunderous chords that wake the song up after the first stanza. Yacht Rock nailed this perfectly. You're bobbing along, feeling the smooth, he's just sailing the vocal on in, and then BRARROW DOW! ALL I WANNA DO IN THE MIDDLE OF THE EVENING IS HOLD YOU TIIIIGHT ... It's electric.


-- Doctor Casino (agode...), September 10th, 2006.

Also, those big chords change the key, down a whole step from G to F, but rather than go down, the vocal goes up a (not quite) octave. Totally brilliant.

I unapologetically love Rosanna. I love the horn parts, I love the somewhat silly vocal exhortations near the end, and I think the 2 guitar solos are about as good as "80's guitar solos" get.

Ash (ashbyman), Thursday, 16 November 2006 20:09 (seventeen years ago) link

six years pass...

Rosanna playing now
In your eyes is major lam

buzza, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 06:35 (eleven years ago) link

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buzza, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 06:35 (eleven years ago) link

lol @ Susan Douglas

buzza, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 06:41 (eleven years ago) link

Wait a second...did Daniel Lanois post to ilx in 2005?

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 20 December 2012 16:01 (eleven years ago) link


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