Saint Vitus - C or D?

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Depending on my mood, they're either way classic or just short of being dud. I think it's Chandler's lyrics that bug me - I was on a big metal kick today (see earlier King Diamond thread) and pulled out some old favorites, and V just doesn't stand up. I remember it being a solid fucking doom record, but i forgot about all the Black Label Society-sounding ballads. Yech. Still a killer sound though. What say you?

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 01:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i always thought of wino period vitus being more 'rock' for some reason. just listened to V a while back and it was the first time i really dug it in full. "when emotion dies" could probably go, but "i bleed black" is fuckin' CLASSIQUE.

but i'm a huge fan of the first album (and reagers). that's classic. hallow's victim and the walking dead not so much.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 02:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Classix to a point. Ya'll be OTM.

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 02:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

TERRIBLE. BEYOND DUD.

ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 02:50 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'm more fond of Reaghers Saint Vitus. "Burial at Sea" from the first record is the best Vitus tune -- it captures everything the band would do -- and it's the one others try to copy. Goatsnake and Grave did good versions of it and since it's a metal song that has always been obscure, like Vitus, it always sounds good to hear it again.

"Born Too Late" is their next best, and it's Wino edition. The Obsessed's major label debut has better songs and the same vibe on it as Wino Saint Vitus.

The new Southern Lord reissue of Vitus live with Wino, is fair to good. It's not spectacular but it's the full measure of the woe laden knuckle-dragging attack. Chandler had a guitar style absolutely no one else had at the time, down-tuned axe with constant trampling of the wah pedal as a rhythm sequence, very in and out of phasey.

Good example of the dilemma faced by a band for which an audience once existed, coming too late for that, and a bit too early for the new stoner audience it should have had the opportunity to play for.
Better songwriting would not have helped.

"V" I never play anymore. It was the end of the run.

George The Animal Steele, Tuesday, 16 August 2005 03:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

hey, man... tell greg ginn to rerelase the saint vitus albums. sign the petition... FREE SAINT VITUS, MAN... sign the petition...

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 04:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

don't make me sell my microbus to get a copy of hallow's victim.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 04:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Good guitarist (eventually two) and a coupla good tunes, but that's about it. One of the things that made Black Sabbath great was the mobile Butler/Ward shythm section, it wasn't just Iommi. Vitus music didn't seem to move, just sort of plodded along, or maybe it was just recorded that way. I liked Wino better than the original singer, but not much.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 06:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Vitus music didn't seem to move, just sort of plodded along, or maybe it was just recorded that way.

Good point, which is why "Burial At Sea" and "Born Too Late," as songs, are good. They don't count on drums, which do plod along, but in these cases the plodding adds a little (at least it doesn't subtract) because the melodies are so lugubrious.

The live record gave the drummer a chance to do things on a few "faster" things -- meaning up mid-tempo for most people -- about one third of the time. It surprised me. That along with a good performance of "Born to Late" keep it from being sub-mediocre.

George The Animal Steele, Tuesday, 16 August 2005 16:54 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Always wanted to like them, but the rhythm section killed it for me. Spirit Caravan were so much better. Lots of points for the line "I have things living in my hair" though.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 18:00 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I agree with you Phil. Spirit Caravan were far better and more consistant. I liked their EP a great deal and the remake of The Obsessed's "Kill Ugly Naked" which wasn't Vitus-like. By the time I saw them, they were stuck playing some dive called the Martini Lounge on the rim of Hollywood (or the Melrose district?) about six years ago and Wino was professional and accomplished, but the show didn't have much spark. Not enough people in the place was part of it.

Wino also has a way with certain two word combinations. There is a song on the Vitus live CD where he sings out in his best declamatory style "wretched place!" What wretched place? Where wretched place? Who cares, sounds good.

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 16 August 2005 20:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"icy skull! rusty claw!"

(that's the obsessed, tho')

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 23:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

El Sabor's got it! If you hear it, you know it, it rivets. It's a Wino trademark, a money shot that unfortunately earns little money, but it a great hard rock move. The two word, three syllable declamation - the Wino "2/3" law! It's a seriously abbreviated haiku-like thing.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 17 August 2005 03:04 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Each to their own and all that but SV, to me, remind me of the period when SST went all wrong

Fer Ark, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 22:25 (ten years ago) Permalink

bah, Saint Vitus were awesome.

Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 22:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

i should maybe delve Herman? I would appreciate yr recommendations. I perhaps caught them at the wrong time

Fer Ark, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 22:51 (ten years ago) Permalink

Well there's a few era's. Maybe you would prefer the wino era? Mind you the 1st Self Titled is one of my faves. But id say maybe try Born Too Late? or possibly V. I think liking Saint Vitus depends on whether you like doom metal or not. I can see how they pissed off all the hardcore punks :)

Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 22:57 (ten years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

So apparently there is going to be a Vitus reformation show at Roadburn in Holland next year.

That is pretty cool.

The Slash My Father Wrote (DJ Mencap), Friday, 26 September 2008 15:32 (ten years ago) Permalink

Everybody hates it when I say this but my favorite Vitus record is Children of Doom with Christian Lindersson on lead vox. He's got a great voice and there are some really great songs on that album. They never plodded harder than "Planet of Judgement".

Plus Don Dokken produced the album (in a totally weird reverb-drenched way).

I am very tight with Wino (I booked most of the Hidden Hand tours). Love the guy to pieces but I think his era with Vitus was their weakest. The Reagers shit was classic underachiever doom.

Wino's best work was to come later with Spirit Caravan and certain periods of Hidden Hand.

Nate Carson, Friday, 26 September 2008 21:45 (ten years ago) Permalink

I really like Children Of Doom!

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP TO (Colonel Poo), Friday, 26 September 2008 22:57 (ten years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

They are playing tonight at Sonar in Baltimore. I have a cold and tons of work to do. But I am SOOO tempted. Thoughts on this matter?

Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Sunday, 18 October 2009 22:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

go!!

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 18 October 2009 22:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

just dont come back on here and moan about the drummer like the losers on dffd did.
Wish they would play Glasgow.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 18 October 2009 22:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

London's pretty close.

krakow, Sunday, 18 October 2009 22:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

pffft

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 18 October 2009 22:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

Only a train ride away, a wee adventure.

krakow, Sunday, 18 October 2009 22:56 (nine years ago) Permalink

i leave that kind of adventure to rich photographers.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 18 October 2009 23:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

Bah! Advance train fares and friends couches, there's no need to be rich.

krakow, Sunday, 18 October 2009 23:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

well, shit, i miss vitus in b-more and om in philly. great week.

scourge of prometheus, toaster of marshmallows (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 19 October 2009 11:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

anyone got the vinyl reissues yet?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 16 November 2009 19:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

whhhhaaaaaaaattt????

armed with swords and hash (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 16 November 2009 20:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

Someone please email me when Children of Doom is back on vinyl. I need that bad.

Nate Carson, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 03:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

hey the walking dead EP is apparently part of that spate of "reissues." i love that EP. took me a while, though.

audacity, hubris, overweening pride! (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 5 December 2009 17:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

did fer ark ever check out Saint Vitus?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 14 May 2010 18:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

Saint Vitus drummer Armando Acosta died the other week. We have Joe Carducci's remembrance with a lot of details of recording their early albums in the New Vulgate.

new vulgarian, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 22:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ray Farrell also contributes.

new vulgarian, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 22:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

New album is pretty slight, but I like it!

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 7 May 2012 21:12 (six years ago) Permalink

its terrific

Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 00:20 (six years ago) Permalink

Its good, but I can't help but feeling slightly disappointed with only 34 minutes and two tracks being just instrumental pieces (good ones at that, mind you, but still).

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 04:03 (six years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Finally getting to hear the new record in preparation for seeing them Friday. First off, it sounds amazing. Clarity and heft, and though Wino is way up front as always it doesn't take away the power of the band behind as it does on some of the 80s records. However, there isn't a lot of meat on the bones. A short record, and not incredibly memorable despite being recorded so well. Maybe it'll grow a bit more over time, but I'm a few listens in and waiting for the earworm. I do expect the songs will work well live mixed in with the classic material.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 17:56 (six years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

The poor opinions of the rhythm section way upthread do not compute. They slay.

Clarke B., Monday, 30 July 2012 15:11 (six years ago) Permalink

TERRIBLE. BEYOND DUD.
― ddb (ddb), Monday, August 15, 2005 10:50 PM

am0n, Monday, 30 July 2012 20:59 (six years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

going tonight!

farte blanche (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 1 October 2012 16:16 (six years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

pretty sure one of the verses on the new album's song "bleeding ground" is about chem trails :/

i dox in yellow gox dox socks (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 October 2012 23:04 (six years ago) Permalink

Spirit Caravan were so much better.
― pdf (Phil Freeman)

Agreed. The Hidden Hand, also, was much stronger musically and lyrically than St Vitus. Wino's other bands essentially do the same thing but better. Especially the lyrics and riffs.

moley, Thursday, 18 October 2012 23:20 (six years ago) Permalink

Definitely disagree. Vitus trumps all those other bands. CLASSIC.

harpal, Friday, 19 October 2012 20:33 (six years ago) Permalink

Just found out there is a tribute band out there named Ain't Vitus. Love both the name and that they exist.

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 27 October 2012 13:11 (six years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

They were incredibly good tonight in Glasgow - I loved it!

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8231/8557703861_c8b827a460_z.jpg
Saint Vitus at Cathouse by Crimson Glow Photography, on Flickr

NWOFHM! Overlord (krakow), Friday, 15 March 2013 00:40 (five years ago) Permalink

five years pass...

WEEEEELLLCOMEEE TOOOO DARKNESSSSSSSS

Paul Reverse and the rediaRs (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 6 July 2018 07:52 (four months ago) Permalink

Reagers Vitus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wino Vitus

Paul Reverse and the rediaRs (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 6 July 2018 07:53 (four months ago) Permalink

Saw these guys open for Down in 2012. They were really good. Anselmo came out and sang "War Is Our Destiny" with Wino, which was fine.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 6 July 2018 12:12 (four months ago) Permalink


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