rank the songs on STICKY FINGERS

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1. dead flowers
2. sway
3T. moonlight mile
3T. sister morphine
3T. brown sugar
6. wild horses
7. cant you hear me knockin
8. bitch
9. you gotta move

but theyre all great!

petesmith (plsmith), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:30 (seventeen years ago) link

1. Wild Horses
2. Sway
3. Moonlight Mile
4. Dead Flowers
5. Brown Sugar
6. Can't You Hear Me Knocking
7. You Gotta Move
8. Bitch
9 Sister Morphine

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:35 (seventeen years ago) link

1. Can't You Hear Me Knocking
2. Wild Horses
3. Moonlight Mile
4. Bitch
5. Brown Sugar
6. You Gotta Move
7. Sister Morphine
8. Dead Flowers
9. Sway

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:41 (seventeen years ago) link

1. Sway
2. Wild Horses
3. Dead Flowers
4. Can't You Hear Me Knocking

5. Moonlight Mile
6. Sister Morphine

7. Brown Sugar
8. You Gotta Move
9. Bitch

rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link

There are ten songs on Sticky Fingers you so-called Stones fans!

1. Can't You Hear Me Knocking
2. Sway
3. Wild Horses
4. Dead Flowers
5. Moonlight Mile
6. Brown Sugar
7. Bitch
8. Sister Morphine
9. I Got the Blues
10. You Gotta Move

Adam Harrison-Friday, Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:56 (seventeen years ago) link

cant you hear me knockin
sister morphine
bitch

others

Draw Tipsy, ya hack. (dave225.3), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh geez...let's start again.

1. Wild Horses
2. Sway
3. Moonlight Mile
4. Dead Flowers
5. Brown Sugar
6. Can't You Hear Me Knocking
7. You Gotta Move
8. Bitch
9. I Got The Blues
10. Sister Morphine

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Holy Crap! I did sense a disturbance in the force...

1. Sway
2. Wild Horses
3. Dead Flowers
4. Can't You Hear Me Knocking
5. I Got The Blues

6. Moonlight Mile
7. Sister Morphine

8. Brown Sugar
9. You Gotta Move
10. Bitch

rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link

1. Sway
2. Can't You Hear Me Knockin
3. Brown Sugar
4. Dead Flowers
5. Moonlight Mile
6. Wild Horses
7. Bitch
8. You Gotta Move
9. Sister Morphine
10. I Got the Blues

Derek Krissoff (Derek), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:01 (seventeen years ago) link

1. Sway
2. CYHMK
3. Moonlight Mile
4. I Got The Blues
5. Bitch
6. Dead Flowers
7. Brown Sugar
8. You Gotta Move
9. Wild Horses
10. Sister Morphine

dark Horse, Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:01 (seventeen years ago) link

1. brown sugar
2. dead flowers
3. sway
4. can't you hear me knocking
5. bitch
6. wild horses
7. moonlight mile
8. sister morphine
9. i got the blues
10. you gotta move

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:03 (seventeen years ago) link

1. CYHMK?
2. Dead Flowers
3. Sway
4. Wild Horses
5. I Got The Blues
6. Sister Morphine
7. Brown Sugar
8. Bitch
9. You Gotta Move
10. Moonlight Mile

I forget if Brown Sugar was in my POX. Needless to say, it wouldn't be there now.

Marxism Goes Better With Coke (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Brown Sugar
Moonlight Mile
Wild Horses
Bitch
Dead Flowers
Sway
You Gotta Move
Sister Morphine
Can’t You Hear Me Knocking
I Got the Blues

Not Thaat Chuck, Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:25 (seventeen years ago) link

1) Brown Sugar
2) Sway
3) Moonlight Mile
4) 'Knocking
5) Bitch
6) Dead Flowers
7) You Gotta Move
8) Wild Horses
9) I Got the Blues
10) Sister Morphine

Billy Pilgrim (Billy Pilgrim), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:30 (seventeen years ago) link

haha - i thought i might be missing one. well, somewhat obviously...

10. i got the blues

petesmith (plsmith), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link

1) Dead Flowers
2) Moonlight Mile
3) Sway
4) Bitch
5) Can't You Hear Me Knocking
6) Brown Sugar
7) You Gotta Move
8) Wild Horses
9) I Got the Blues
10) Sister Morphine

Honestly, though, there's not a bad, mediocre, or even "kinda good" song on that album, and they're all pretty damned awesome.

Bryan Moore (Bryan Moore), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 22:55 (seventeen years ago) link

1)Dead Flowers
2)Sway
3)Moonlight Mile
4)Sister Morphine
5)Brown Sugar
6)Bitch
7)Wild Horses (like the Burrito Bros' a lot better)
8)CYHMK?
9)You Gotta Move
10)I Got the Blues

Zack Richardson (teenagequiet), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 22:59 (seventeen years ago) link

dead flowers
brown sugar
sway
wild horses
can't you hear me knocking
bitch
you gotta move
sister morphine
moonlight mile
I got the blues

haitch (haitch), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 23:37 (seventeen years ago) link

1.Bitch
2.Can't You Hear Me Knocking
3.Moonlight Mile
4.Brown Sugar
5.Sway
6.Dead Flowers
7.Sister Morphine
8.Wild Horses
9.I Got The Blues
10.You Gotta Move

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 00:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm sorta surprised by the general (relative) disdain for "I Got The Blues."

rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 00:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, the fact that everyone TOTALLY FORGOT it speaks volumes!
Here's the average ranking so far, if anyone cares:

1.Sway
2...Knocking
3.Dead Flowers
4.Brown Sugar
5.Moonlight Mile
6.Wild Horses
7.Bitch
8.Sister Morphine
9.You Gotta Move
10.I Got The Blues

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 00:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Sway #1 -- somewhere, Mick Taylor is saying "told ya so, woodie's a bloody mascot's what he is..."

rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 00:42 (seventeen years ago) link

1. Can't you hear me
2. Sway
(i'm sorry, i don't really know the rest of it, but i'm confident nothing will come before these two).

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 00:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm sorta surprised by the general (relative) disdain for "I Got The Blues."

Me too. It's a great track.

10th best song on Sticky Fingers >>>>>>>>>> 99.999% rest of shit ever recorded.

Keith C (kcraw916), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 01:56 (seventeen years ago) link

whats with the lack of love for sister morphine?

chris andrews (fraew), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 03:33 (seventeen years ago) link

1. Sway
2. Wild Horses
3. Moonlight Mile
4. Can't You Hear Me Knocking
5. Brown Sugar
6. Dead Flowers
7. Sister Morphine
8. I Got the Blues
9. Bitch
10. You Gotta Move

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 04:37 (seventeen years ago) link

ha, I actually heard this for the first time in a while just last night; well, the first three songs anyway. They put it on at my local before they kicked everyone out (it wasn't that late -- the staff wanted to adjourn to attend a going away party for a fellow bartender. fair enough.) And this is a bar that normally plays like, Coldplay, U2 and the Police. So nice to hear some actually rock in there. And god, when "Sway" came on it sounded so amazing, as always.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 04:45 (seventeen years ago) link

1. Sway
2. Bitch
3. Can't You Hear Me Knocking?
4. Moonlight Mile
5. Wild Horses
6. I Got The Blues
7. Brown Sugar
8. Sister Morphine
9. Dead Flowers
10. You Got To Move

Flyboy (Flyboy), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 11:41 (seventeen years ago) link

This is pretty much my favorite album, ever, so I can't rank the songs. I will, however, list 10 great moments:

1. Keith joining Mick on the last verse of "Brown Sugar"
2. The strings at the end of "Sway"
3. The delicate 3-guitar intro to "Wild Horses"
4. Hearing Mick yell "Hey" down in the mix at the beginning of the jam part of "CYHMK"
5. The drums in "You Gotta Move"
6. The horn riff on "Bitch"
7. The emotional build-up in the last verse of "I Got the Blues"
8. Ry Cooder's slide solo on "Sister Morphine"
9. The "with a needle and a spoon" line in "Dead Flowers"
10. "YEAHHH...I'M COMING HOME" at the end of "Moonlight Mile"

Keith C (kcraw916), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 11:47 (seventeen years ago) link

1. Dead Flowers
2. Brown Sugar
3. Sway
4. Moonlight Mile
5. Bitch
6. I Got The Blues
7. Sister Morphine
8. You Gotta Move
9. Can You Hear Me Knocking?
10. Wild Horses

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 11:57 (seventeen years ago) link

1. Wild Horses
2. Moonlight Mile
3. Dead Flowers
4. Brown Sugar
5. Sister Morphine
6. I Got The Blues
7. Can't You Hear Me Knocking
8. Sway
9. You Gotta Move
10. Bitch

Patrick (Patrick), Thursday, 11 August 2005 00:22 (seventeen years ago) link

1. Wild Horses
2. Dead Flowers
3. Moonlight Mile
4. Sister Morphine
5. You Gotta Move
6. Sway
7. Can't You Hear Me Knocking
8. Brown Sugar
9. Bitch
10. I Got the Blues

-vest, Thursday, 11 August 2005 01:09 (seventeen years ago) link

nine years pass...

As posted in the US Tour announcement today on FB:

The tour will also coincide with the Rolling Stones re-release of Sticky Fingers on May 26 in North America, and May 25 in the rest of the world, by Universal Music. Sticky Fingers, one of the most revered albums from the Rolling Stones, is set to enthrall a new generation of fans in 2015. The 1971 classic features timeless tracks such as ‘Brown Sugar,’ ‘Wild Horses,’ ‘Bitch’ and ‘Dead Flowers’. Sticky Fingers 2015, with its iconic zip cover, will be unveiled in a variety of formats. The deluxe editions include a generous selection of previously unreleased Stones studio outtakes from the Sticky Fingers sessions and stunning live performances from that time. These sought after tracks have never been available until this release.
Recorded in Muscle Shoals, Alabama and Olympic Studios in London, and produced by regular confidant Jimmy Miller, Sticky Fingers was released just before the Stones became tax exiles in the south of France, leaving Britain after a sensational farewell tour. It also featured some of the most ground breaking design in rock history, with its famous working zip on the front cover and artwork by Andy Warhol.

Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 31 March 2015 18:57 (seven years ago) link

Having just attended last night's glorified DVD projection of Led Zep concert footage ('Fathom' theater 'events' ... of course Peter Grant era branding company was called 'Superhype' - indeed!), which seemingly was out just to promote the 40th anniversary 'Super Deluxe' Physical Graffiti box set, color me surprised.

BlackIronPrison, Tuesday, 31 March 2015 19:10 (seven years ago) link

Calling it a Zip Code Tour because the cover of yr album 40 yrs ago had a zipper on it is some cold-blooded laziness, even for the Stones.

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 31 March 2015 20:10 (seven years ago) link

Dead Flowers
Sway
Wild horses
Moonlight mile
Can you hear me knocking?
Bitch
I got the blues
Brown sugar

You gotta move

primal, intuitive, and relatively unmediated (Treeship), Tuesday, 31 March 2015 20:37 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrsToLa3XEo

Love, Wilco (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 28 May 2015 00:23 (seven years ago) link

I refuse to put You Gotta Move last for anything!

Iago Galdston, Thursday, 28 May 2015 00:28 (seven years ago) link

Jagger discusses the composition and recording of "Moonlight Mile" at length:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/mick-jagger-and-moonlight-mile-1432735648

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 May 2015 17:36 (seven years ago) link

oh man I love Dead Flowers so much - where is that version from? doesn't quite have the laid back swing of the official version. I've always liked to think of it as future old rich asshole Jagger singing to young junkie asshole Jagger

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 17:53 (seven years ago) link

I believe that "Dead Flowers" is a live in the studio run through-- the official lit is calling it "The Byrd's Version" because Taylor is playing a 12-string or something.

Love, Wilco (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 29 May 2015 18:01 (seven years ago) link

Wow, in a defiant turn against the tide, Target's exclusive edition of the CD earns its exclusivity by including a redemption code for a VINYL copy of the O.G. album 'to be delivered to your own door'.

Love, Wilco (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 11 June 2015 23:46 (seven years ago) link

oh my god this album is so good.

so, i dunno. maybe something like:

Sway
Moonlight Mile
Wild Horses*
Bitch
Dead Flowers
Can’t You Hear Me Knocking
Brown Sugar
You Gotta Move
I Got the Blues
Sister Morphine

*i might prefer gram parsons’s version, actually, but you can’t fuck with this

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Friday, 12 June 2015 00:39 (seven years ago) link

alt version of Dead Flowers upthread is interesting. Guitars are out of tune and vocals are flat, and Jagger's southern affectations are more conspicuous and excruciating than ever, but somehow this still rules

Wimmels, Friday, 12 June 2015 01:24 (seven years ago) link

Wild Horses
Can't You Hear Me Knocking
Dead Flowers
Sway
Moonlight Mile
Brown Sugar
Bitch
Sister Morphine
You Gotta Move
I Got The Blues

Rolling Stones 1968-1972 is the most unfuckwithable run in music history

thom yorke state of mind (voodoo chili), Friday, 12 June 2015 15:58 (seven years ago) link

Sway
Moonlight Mile
Brown Sugar
Dead Flowers
Can't You Hear Me Knocking
Wild Horses
Bitch
You Gotta Move
I Got the Blues
Sister Morphine

Ha, same top two and bottom three as amateurist's

bunny slopes, Friday, 12 June 2015 21:00 (seven years ago) link

Rolling Stones 1968-1972 is the most unfuckwithable run in music history

I love the stones and have no problem with hyperboles but even without going very far from their times and genre, Stevie Wonder's 72-76 is arguably even more unfuckwithable !

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 12 June 2015 21:59 (seven years ago) link

Rolling Stones 1968-1972 is the most unfuckwithable run in music history

Music does not get better.

kornrulez6969, Friday, 12 June 2015 22:02 (seven years ago) link

it just gets sick and dies

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 22:04 (seven years ago) link

Or in the Stones case, it just gets weaker

kornrulez6969, Friday, 12 June 2015 22:12 (seven years ago) link

yeah, it is fucking terrible, that song. i'm not a lyrics guy, or at least barely paid attention to them in the past, but once you recognize what he's singing, on purpose, and that it's a huge hit and they played it for 40 years* it's really, really hard to overlook

*we were talking about this song a while back, i think, and i think i remember it mentioned that they don't play it anymore? (now that they're 150 years old)

Karl Malone, Monday, 23 January 2023 16:41 (two weeks ago) link

Just relistened this morning. There's not a song I would remove. If I was forced to rank the tracks and put something last, I guess it would have to be "Moonlight Mile", which is probably the one I'd be least likely to listen to as a stand-alone track, but don't get me wrong, it's still a good song, and it's better than good in the context of the album, where it kind of feels like a glimpse of redemption as the first rays of sun peak through the curtains after a long night of doing things that are not great for one's health. Maybe the reason this is my favorite Stones album is because its the most swamp-rock. There's more than a bit of CCR and Fogerty in this album. Jagger even sings "boined" for "burned" in "I Got the Blues". "Brown Sugar" bears some similarity to "Proud Mary". "Dead Flowers" is a bit like "Lodi".

o. nate, Monday, 23 January 2023 16:44 (two weeks ago) link

yes it's too bad that artists 50 years ago had a different way of expressing their disgust with slavery and imperialism.

Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 23 January 2023 17:08 (two weeks ago) link

Music's good.

A Drunk Man Looks At Partick Thistle (Tom D.), Monday, 23 January 2023 17:15 (two weeks ago) link

Stop worshipping these guys

Grateful Dead? OTM.

A Drunk Man Looks At Partick Thistle (Tom D.), Monday, 23 January 2023 17:16 (two weeks ago) link

Hey, I was the one who mentioned the Dead... don't take it out on calstars.

Vexatious litigant (morrisp), Monday, 23 January 2023 17:20 (two weeks ago) link

xp I dunno, it sounds pretty stiff to me… the guitar & sax lines not particular good… like it’s not up to the standards of even the weakest Dead jam. Maybe I’m just not coming at it from the right standpoint.

― Vexatious litigant (morrisp), Sunday, January 22, 2023 10:29 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

totally agree with this, people who don't like the Dead can deal with it. The Dead aren't for you and that's ok. Love Pharoah but he's doing something totally different

a (waterface), Monday, 23 January 2023 17:35 (two weeks ago) link

I like the Dead

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 23 January 2023 17:35 (two weeks ago) link

cool. . . so you agree ;)

a (waterface), Monday, 23 January 2023 17:36 (two weeks ago) link

i also agree they are dorks and talked about too much so i'll shut up. . .

a (waterface), Monday, 23 January 2023 17:36 (two weeks ago) link

I just think it might be cool if everyone could calm down not act like they invented improvising.

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 23 January 2023 17:38 (two weeks ago) link

FWIW, I don't think that (and didn't say that)! I'll cop to it perhaps being a lazy off-the-cuff comparison – though I don't think it's out of bounds for a jam on a 1971 rock album.

Vexatious litigant (morrisp), Monday, 23 January 2023 17:40 (two weeks ago) link

The Dead seem a lot easier to avoid than the Stones. Like no one is going to force you to listen to a bunch of bootlegs (unless you make poor dating choices)

2nd half of CYHMK sounds a lot more like they're trying to sound like Santana than the Dead.

o. nate, Monday, 23 January 2023 17:42 (two weeks ago) link

yeah i'd always felt like it was a santana thing. i like it, for what it is, though the first half is so good and tight i wish they'd made it 7-plus min of that.

omar little, Monday, 23 January 2023 17:45 (two weeks ago) link

It's funny, I looked up the song earlier and saw this Keith quote:

The jam at the end wasn't inspired by Carlos Santana. We didn't even know they were still taping. We thought we'd finished. We were just rambling and they kept the tape rolling. I figured we'd just fade it off. It was only when we heard the playback that we realised, Oh, they kept it going. Basically we realised we had two bits of music. There's the song and there's the jam.

Don't know why he goes out of his way to specify that it WASN'T inspired by Santana(?) Maybe the interviewer suggested that or something

Vexatious litigant (morrisp), Monday, 23 January 2023 17:46 (two weeks ago) link

I expect it wasn't the first time the comparison had been made.

A Drunk Man Looks At Partick Thistle (Tom D.), Monday, 23 January 2023 17:48 (two weeks ago) link

Santana covered the song too

The source page for that quote also has Mick saying:

We did this at Olympic and the jam at the end was an afterthought. It comes in two pieces, this rock song with this added jam. It's slightly Carlos Santana-like, Mick Taylor plays a bit of that style, I think. I don't think we meant that, but somehow it added on and I think this was done really quickly, too.

Vexatious litigant (morrisp), Monday, 23 January 2023 17:50 (two weeks ago) link

There's a bit of "East-West" in there too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvWvOwLCWGg

I guess it would have to be "Moonlight Mile", which is probably the one I'd be least likely to listen to as a stand-alone track, but don't get me wrong, it's still a good song, and it's better than good in the context of the album, where it kind of feels like a glimpse of redemption as the first rays of sun peak through the curtains after a long night of doing things that are not great for one's health.

Moonlight Mile is my favorite song on the album, though I might like it a bit less now that I just found out the lyric isn't "I'm just living to be dying by your side" which I thought was a cool inversion and Mick/Keith's take on a VU-style drug ode like Heroin.

Unfairport Convention (PBKR), Monday, 23 January 2023 18:39 (two weeks ago) link

xps the song is expressing their disgust with slavery and imperialism much like stray cat blues is expressing their disgust with men molesting teenagers and under my thumb is expressing their disgust with patriarchal abuse and midnight rambler etc

I'm pretty sure all this was seen as fucked up at the time - that's what made it edgy - but BS is the kind of thing that would end a band in a just world and the half century of rock fans and critics defending and celebrating it is a repulsive spectacle

your original display name is still visible (Left), Monday, 23 January 2023 18:56 (two weeks ago) link

it's bad enough that I think of this album as one I hate even though I enjoy 80% of it to varying degrees

your original display name is still visible (Left), Monday, 23 January 2023 18:57 (two weeks ago) link

unlike the morally spotless avatars of rightiousness who exist today, the stones had the indecency to incriminate even themselves.

Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 23 January 2023 19:12 (two weeks ago) link

note how "scarred old slaver" in the first verse becomes "i" later in the song.

Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 23 January 2023 19:16 (two weeks ago) link

greil marcus thinking it through in real time:
https://greilmarcus.net/2014/08/06/rolling-stones-sticky-fingers-1071/

Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 23 January 2023 19:24 (two weeks ago) link

as a text it's certainly more generative than the average racist or sexist classic rock song and it does kind of give the game away- if white rock in general is the GOP then brown sugar is trump. but you don't have to hand it to them for nailing the ugliness at the heart of the genre so vividly

your original display name is still visible (Left), Monday, 23 January 2023 19:34 (two weeks ago) link

I see Greil provides another touchpoint for the "CYHMK" jam:

(T)he song rocks through its few minutes of glory like few songs ever have. If they eventually blow the performance by jerking the listener, as if someone had punched a button from WROK to WJAZ, into a pleasant and pallid excursion into what reminds me more of the Ventures than anything else, then again, this is part of their confusion and their inability to know what to do with their music, their talent, and their own best impulses.

Vexatious litigant (morrisp), Monday, 23 January 2023 19:43 (two weeks ago) link

xpost
and merging it with their most concise and powerful rocker into the bargain. i think it is a mistake to equate sexist classic rock with the GOP, thereby safely placing it "over there" and enabling anyone else to wash their hands of any inconvenient truths. but maybe that's why i'm persona non grata on the politics threads.

Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 23 January 2023 19:45 (two weeks ago) link

sure i'm complicit in racial capitalism and my repudiation of mick jagger is in part an attempt to distance myself from that unpleasant fact

is it hypocritical to find his wallowing and savouring of his position distasteful

Left, Monday, 23 January 2023 19:55 (two weeks ago) link

short of abolishing myself or embracing the worst of reality the options seem to be to throw my hands up and say it's complicated or to bitch and moan about the worst excesses in the hope that they become harder to defend more generally and then idk

Left, Monday, 23 January 2023 19:59 (two weeks ago) link

i'm not going to defend the song and i am sure there are many things about the stones' personal lives i do not want to know about. wyman's marriage to a teenager, for instance, was revolting, and i'm sure there would be more dirt if i dug into it. but i don't think that means i need to put away my stones records forever or anything. at this point these records are over 50 years old; dipping into them is like pulling out my copy of moby dick. they're just there, part of the culture.

treeship., Monday, 23 January 2023 20:00 (two weeks ago) link

the most insidious thing about them was probably the misogyny, actually. but like, understanding this aspect of their music and rock culture in the 60s and 70s helps explain the limitations and even the failures of the counterculture. i don't know what cancelling would accomplish at this point except whitewashing this history.

treeship., Monday, 23 January 2023 20:03 (two weeks ago) link

Greil's question seems apt:

The leer may be a parody, but is it still a leer?

And I think the answer is yes. The song in a way is a descendant of noir novels like Jim Thompson's The Killer Inside Me that trick you into rooting for a sociopath and then leave you wriggling on the hook to deal with your own feelings of guilt afterwards. Irony is no defense. I don't think the song should be defended. Its extremely toxic. Luckily its much easier to avoid now than I guess it was in the summer when Greil was writing that piece and it was blaring from every FM radio.

o. nate, Monday, 23 January 2023 20:12 (two weeks ago) link

lolita is like this too, i think

treeship., Monday, 23 January 2023 20:14 (two weeks ago) link

the culture is kind of shit in a lot of ways (sure so am i as a product of it). there is racism in moby dick (in a vaguely similar semi-knowing kind of way) and calling that out isn't the same as wanting to burn it or being unable to understand nuance and complexity or whatever. the kids who don't like huck finn aren't wrong or stupid or unable to understand what it's trying to do either, they just know it's not good enough. if that's cancel culture then i'm all for it

Left, Monday, 23 January 2023 20:18 (two weeks ago) link

"Moonlight Mile" is the greatest closing track of the era, minimum.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 23 January 2023 20:20 (two weeks ago) link

i still prefer exile, but nothing on that is as good as dead flowers

treeship., Monday, 23 January 2023 20:21 (two weeks ago) link

"Loving Cup" is.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 23 January 2023 20:22 (two weeks ago) link

"Sister Moonlight"s sometimes too affected for me to enjoy until Ry Cooder's solo slaps my face.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 January 2023 20:23 (two weeks ago) link

frankly they peaked with she's a rainbow / 2000 light years and i wish they (and other psych bands) hadn't felt the need to retreat into the rootsy bluesy manly rut they've largely been stuck in since 68

Left, Monday, 23 January 2023 20:29 (two weeks ago) link

i love that stuff too but i disagree

treeship., Monday, 23 January 2023 20:30 (two weeks ago) link

idk they got pretty swishy with the rock-disco stuff later in the decade. I wish they'd recorded an album's worth of "Let Me Go" and "When the Whip Comes Down"s.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 January 2023 20:30 (two weeks ago) link

"am i rough enough?"

treeship., Monday, 23 January 2023 20:32 (two weeks ago) link

"Waiting on a Friend" was their last great song.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 23 January 2023 20:34 (two weeks ago) link

Rolling Stones 1968-1972 is the most unfuckwithable run in music history

Best four-album run in rock history, hands down.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 23 January 2023 20:35 (two weeks ago) link

frankly they peaked with she's a rainbow / 2000 light years

I'm glad you're speaking out with such frankness, but, as much as I love "She's a Rainbow," that strikes me as absurd.

clemenza, Monday, 23 January 2023 20:41 (two weeks ago) link

rootsy bluesy manly rut

One of the things that makes Beggars Banquet my choice for best Stones album is that they retained a lot of the psychedelic haze that was soon cleared away by Mick Taylor, saxophones, and the whole barroom ambience.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 23 January 2023 21:10 (two weeks ago) link

stripped is good, imo

not too strange just bad audio (brimstead), Monday, 23 January 2023 21:29 (two weeks ago) link

their best disco is dance part 2 (if I was a dancer)

not too strange just bad audio (brimstead), Monday, 23 January 2023 21:29 (two weeks ago) link


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