Belinda Carlisle – Classic or Dud?

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I can't believe this hasn't been done yet. I heartily affirm Belinda's solo greatness. Those who lament the reification of this SoCal punk haven't listened to their Go-Go's albums recently, whose songs (Charlotte Caffey's mostly) were a couple of degrees removed from Holly Knight-Desmond Child hackwork. The tension between the band's amateurish playing, Belinda's uncertain wobbly voice, and Jane Wieldin's weirdo instincts is certainly what kept them compelling on Beauty & The Beat and Talk Show. And so hiring Rick Nowels to write and produce your solo makeover looks like a refinement rather than an aberration.

And most of those solo singles are pretty great. "Heaven is a Place on Earth" conjures the empyrean climes with a finesse lost upon Bon Jovi and their "You Give Love A Bad Name." "Mad About You" is the Go-Go's "Lust To Love" as written for teens driving down the PCH. George Harrison injects one of his best solos into "Leave A Light On." And so on.

What say you?

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 13:08 (eighteen years ago) link

"Summer Rain" = best power ballad EVAH. Full stop. Also, "Leave A Light On" = great power pop classic. "La Luna" delicate and lovely. "In Too Deep" elegant old person's ballad done right.

There was a thread on here a while back that said she never did a bad single. They're right.

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 13:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Quite a few very good singles. Heartily agree.

I have an album of hers though & it's rubbish, in that totally to be expected appalingly ultra-commercial (in 1985) production and fillerific way so...

fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 13:13 (eighteen years ago) link

"Circle in the sand" has at least two plus points. One, it is very very great. Two, it allows Belinda to dance in an endearingly retarded way in the video, if memory serves me right.

brittle-lemon (brittle-lemon), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 13:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Her records always sound like the aural equivalent of a diary kept by an awkward, ungainly, endearing Southern California teen.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 13:32 (eighteen years ago) link

The way her voice wobbles and wavers uncertainly fits with that perfectly AS WELL.

I am listening to "La Luna" RIGHT NOW and it is making me want to dance a bit in front of a mirror. In a pretty dress. But I don't have the hips. (for a dress, I have them for dancing to Belinda in front of a mirror though).

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 13:36 (eighteen years ago) link

is belinda carlisle an american version of beverley craven? for some reason i always confuse the two.

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 13:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Alfred Soto I knew this was your thread before I even clicked on it.

B.Carlisle: Classic, but kind of boringly classic.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 13:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Belinda is Stevie Nicks as a teen: horny, undersexed, a few years away from Jeanne Dixon astrological guides and wicca.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 13:51 (eighteen years ago) link

"Heaven is a Place on Earth" conjures the empyrean climes with a finesse lost upon Bon Jovi and their "You Give Love A Bad Name."

Orbital to thread! (This is intentional, yes?)

I lurv me some "Mad About You" (especially on PCH!), but I don't know that I'm ready to grant solo Belinda classic status. Too much, er, filler. And no extra points for the tasteful Playboy layout.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link


I vividly remember standing on line at a Burger King in the mid90s, and the in-store television program "video show" was debuting Belinda's failed comeback single, something about love being a 'big scary animal'. i don't know why i held on to that memory. why do i feel like she was dating evan dando in the 90s?

PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 15:52 (eighteen years ago) link

"Big Scary Animal" was/IS a classic.

David Merryweather Goes To Far (scarlet), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 16:38 (eighteen years ago) link

There was a Dando connection around that time - he wrote "I'll do it anyway" for her but she didn't use it so The Lemonheads recorded it and it ended up on Come on Feel...

Belinda is way classic. So many great, great singles.

wombatX (wombatX), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 02:30 (eighteen years ago) link

four years pass...
three years pass...

I had no idea that this existed until today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-0NwHBwNbQ

Belinda's voice is probably a bit too sweet for this song (and I doubt that anyone's voice is more suited to this than Marianne's anyway), but, fuck it, it's one of my very favourite singers ever singing one of my very favourite songs ever!

the vineyards where the grapes of corporate rock are stored (cryptosicko), Thursday, 10 October 2013 23:44 (ten years ago) link

I am listening to "La Luna" RIGHT NOW and it is making me want to dance a bit in front of a mirror. In a pretty dress. But I don't have the hips. (for a dress, I have them for dancing to Belinda in front of a mirror though).

― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, August 2, 2005 9:36 AM

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 October 2013 23:47 (ten years ago) link

three years pass...

this industry's gone mad: 5-disc 30th anniversary Heaven on Earth boxset?!

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 22 September 2017 11:52 (six years ago) link

Two of the discs have 6/7 tracks!

The 13-CD Debbie Gibson retrospective for £87 looks comparatively good value.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Friday, 22 September 2017 12:05 (six years ago) link

this is a great album! a long way from being the least deserving album to get the 5-disc box set anniversary edition treatment, anyway

The beautiful lift-off lid box contains four LPs, all in individual LP sleeves with inner bags. LP 1 features the original album, while LP 2 features the 7" single versions plus five of the singles performed live on Belinda's 1988 tour. LPs 3 and 4 feature the various 12" single mixes. The CD contains the original album, plus three brand new recordings! An acoustic rendition of "Heaven Is A Place On Earth" (also to be found on new album "Wilder Shores"), is followed by "Why", a new song co-written with fellow Go-Go Charlotte Caffey. The last new recording is Belinda's fabulous version of Leon Russell's "Superstar", a song best-known from The Carpenters' hit version in 1971. The booklet contains annotation based on interviews with Belinda, Rick Nowels, and songwriters Ellen Shipley and Diane Warren, along with all the lyrics, and photos from Belinda's own collection.

I'm probably satisfied with my existing 1-disc edition, but I would like to hear her version of Superstar

soref, Friday, 22 September 2017 12:34 (six years ago) link

this 30th anniversary box set edition of Popped In Souled Out includes 13 versions of Wishing I Was Lucky

https://www.udiscovermusic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Wet-Wet-Wet-Deluxe-Edition.jpg

soref, Friday, 22 September 2017 13:07 (six years ago) link

ironically

soref, Friday, 22 September 2017 13:08 (six years ago) link

yeah I saw this a while ago. label barrel scraping for deluxe editions has reached baffling levels.

akm, Friday, 22 September 2017 17:29 (six years ago) link

"Circle in the Sand" is glorious Technicolor pop.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 September 2017 17:31 (six years ago) link

popped in souled out is a deathless classic tho

-_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 22 September 2017 17:32 (six years ago) link

What the actual fuck!? That Wet Wet Wet reissue is a real, actual thing!?

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 22 September 2017 19:55 (six years ago) link

13 versions of wishing i was lucky is probably about how many i desire tbh

-_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 22 September 2017 20:08 (six years ago) link

Enh, okay but she's no Karen Carpenter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12-0Xkn3WYg

"Celebration" encourages the listener to celebrate good times. (Dan Peterson), Friday, 22 September 2017 20:20 (six years ago) link

Belinda is Stevie Nicks as a teen: horny, undersexed, a few years away from Jeanne Dixon astrological guides and wicca.
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, August 2, 2005 8:51 AM (twelve years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Also the most obvious 'Used To Be Cheerleader' lead singer EVAH.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 22 September 2017 21:00 (six years ago) link

As for Belinda's solo stuff, there's one or two tracks that I like... 'Always Breaking My Heart' I've always thought was an underrated one, even though it was a big hit here.

Fucking hell, that Wet Wet Wet box set... I mean, is there any need!?

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 23 September 2017 09:07 (six years ago) link

xp if that's meant literally it's way off the mark

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Saturday, 23 September 2017 10:06 (six years ago) link

'In Too Deep' wasn't too bad either... I couldn't tell you anything she's done since '96, though.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 23 September 2017 10:34 (six years ago) link

She did a French chanson cover album a couple of years ago

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Saturday, 23 September 2017 12:47 (six years ago) link

Do we have a thread about people doing that?

Merry-Go-Sorry Somehow (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 23 September 2017 13:40 (six years ago) link

Is it a... thing?

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Saturday, 23 September 2017 13:54 (six years ago) link

Iggy Pop did a couple, Belinda did one, surely there must be others.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 23 September 2017 14:21 (six years ago) link

ten months pass...

Reviving just because I woke up with "Leave a Light On" in my head and I'm rather happy about it.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 20 August 2018 12:01 (five years ago) link

You looked over at the nightstand and saw you'd left the lamp on overnight.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 August 2018 12:07 (five years ago) link

Oh, huh...she turned 60 last Friday. One day younger than Madonna!

Johnny Fever, Monday, 20 August 2018 12:58 (five years ago) link


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