RFI: Folksy Stuff like Fairport Convention S&D

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I'm curious about Fairport Convention, Steeleye Span, Planxty, Clannad, Sandy Denny & the Strawbs, Eliza Carty, Delores Keane, etc.
'Search & Destroy'. 'Classic or Dud'. 'Taking Sides' Freeforall.

Lord Custos, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Also...if the Pogues are the Irish Sex Pistols, who were the Irish Clash/Damned/Siouxsie & The Banshees/Joy Div/Cure/X Ray Spex?

Lord Custos, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

The Radiators From Space were the Irish Clash in some ways. But to answer the original post, A&M has a double CD Fairport Convention which is a really good place to start. I hate redundancy, but it'll take you ages to actually compile all the albums the comprise this one, plus some of the later FC albums with only one or two good tracks feature ONLY those tracks on the 2xCD. So buy it. That'll clue you in to Sandy Denny as well. One thing you should check out is Pentangle - try their album "Sweet Child" on Castle UK. Very nice and newly remastered with bonus tracks. I think if you bought those two, you'd know the way to go from there - both bands have many extensions and you will be able to make sense of what you should try next.

A Swyth, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Fairport Convention- Their two best studios are What We Did on Our Holidays and Unhalfbricking (both with Denny), IMO. Always been meaning to get a Steeleye Span album one day. Solo Denny: well, the Gold Dust concert (i.e., her final one) might be a good overview.

Other recommended, lesser known folk from the days of yore, on the Spalax label if you can still find them: Tangerine - De L'autre Cote de la Foret, Broselmaschine- Broselmaschine, Emtidi- Saat, Holderlin- Holderlins Traum

The first was a French band, the other three were German (all have English lyrics, except for Holderlin). Out of these, I think the Tangerine one is the best.

Joe, Sunday, 10 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

search - the magick heads, jane sinott is dunedin's answer to sandy denny

keith, Sunday, 10 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

What We Did On Our Holidays and Liege and Lief are my fav Fairport stuff. Please To See The King is the best Steeleye Span album, I've heard (I've heard nothing after Ten Man Mop. . .) Every one of the Shirley Collins albums I've got is fantastic. Otherworldly voice, start with the Davey Graham collaboration Folk Roots, New Routes or get the far more trad Anthems in Eden. Sweet Child and Basket of Light by Pentangle are also real good.

Skip Sandy Denny solo and Fotheringay. Both are just a little too over-baked production wise.

Is the first Clannad album worth picking up? I've heard mixed stuff.

Alex in SF, Sunday, 10 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I've also got a soft spot for Liege and Leaf. Can you include Nick Drake in all of this?

Daniel, Sunday, 10 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

The irish clash were without doubt Stiff Little Fingers. The Undertones were more pop-punk. I'm sure there was an irish cure, there were enough of those goths with teddy bears and toothbrushes but that was before my time

Major Alfonso, Sunday, 10 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I read the Nick Drake bio. and all the author talked about was Fairport Convention. I've never heard them but the endless piles of stuff I read about them sure seemed nice.

Lindsey B, Sunday, 10 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

its interesting to note how much the fathers and mothers gave to their children , ie Ewan McColl or the Carthys

anthony, Monday, 11 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Run, do not walk, to hear Fairport's _Liege & Lief_ and _Unhalfbricking_ if you haven't heard them already. Afterwards, track down the bootleg _A Chronicle Of Sorts_, and _Full House_ is nice too.

Steeleye Span are very very uneven, but radiant at their best--start with _Hark! The Village Wait_ or the early greatest-hits _Original Masters_.

Eliza Carthy is okay; her dad, Martin Carthy, is wonderful, and probably my favorite guitarist. All his records are good, but especially the ones from the '70s (whichever one starts with "The Bedmaking" is my fave).

Douglas, Monday, 11 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, I've never been a folk or blues fan, but for some reason, the two seem to work really well together. My faves are John Fahey & Davey Graham....going of at a tangent, I know, but I just thought I@d have me penny'sworth.

Jez, Monday, 11 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I used to like String Driven Thing's album called The Machine That Cried, but I always considered this a guilty pleasure. If I remember correctly, it was Fairport Convention style instrumentation and songs, but with a more prog feel. Does anyone else know these guys?

And would Gryphon qualify as folky?

nickn, Monday, 11 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

(warning: this is to me what Joni Mitchell is to Tim Finney, roughly.)

Fairport's "Unhalfbricking" must be searched, especially "Genesis Hall", one of those songs that sounds as though it's carrying such a heavy load on its back that it's only just struggled into existence (Talk Talk's "Such A Shame" followed where it left off, 15 years later). It's hard to believe it's still alive, indeed it's only just desperately clinging onto life, maybe a metaphor for aspects of the society it was released into. Nowhere left to go, indeed, but what's all the more amazing is how utterly they refute that on the album as a whole: "A Sailor's Life", amazingly, fully deserves its reputation, such is its endless compulsive guitar grind. I was fearing a pointless imposition of rock upon the song when I first heard it, actually it's the opposite. Everything flows perfectly, no wonder that incarnation of Fairport was too good (read: had too many individual talents heading in different directions) to last.

"What We Did On Our Holidays" isn't far behind it. Other individual songs that haunt my mind from those albums: "Book Song", "No Man's Land", "Tale In Hard Time", "Autopsy", "Eastern Rain", "Nottamun Town". If you like the intros-unrelated-to-the-songs on Rod Stewart's first two number ones, you'll like "End Of A Holiday", as well.

Fotheringay over-produced? Maybe, at times, but "The Sea" remains one of the highpoints of its era, a fantastic use of environmental / physical metaphor for personal decay / dereliction. The "News From Nowhere" of pop music: once-only in every sense. You don't have to fully endorse the sentiments of "The Pond and the Stream" to identify with them, and "Nothing More" and "The Banks of the Nile" are also wonderful. The weakest moments on that album are when Trevor Lucas comes to the fore, I think.

The Pentangle's "Basket of Light": yes yes yes search out today, though the overwhelming air is the opposite of "Genesis Hall": practically zero *rock* influence but huge jazz inflections on the time signatures / arrangements creating an incredible mood of vibrancy / zest for the future / utter optimism. Highpoint thereof: probably the multi-layered flow of "Train Song" (what was it in the water c.1970 that produced such loving *detail* in production values even on basically really mouldy old records? Even on their / his best song I still want to punch J. Hayward, but the high-speed guitars on the Moody Blues' "Question" are magical). Also wonderful: the brightness of "Light Flight", the slow build of "Once I Had A Sweetheart", the way "Sally Go Round The Roses" treats early 60s girl- group pop as though it was traditional material and in doing so renders the divide between "new" and "old" utterly irrelevant and meaningless (I'm sure I remember Duane in NZ saying the very same thing ages ago). Actually everything on "Basket of Light" is great though the arrangements aren't quite as revelatory on some of the traditionals: still very pretty and all that and exactly what you need to bring the best out of the songs, but they don't blow your mind the way "Train Song" does even now.

These records are in a continuum for me: I associate them with Skitz, Roots Manuva, and even Timbaland & Magoo's "People Like Myself" closer than with anything in the "folk" field in the last ... oooh, let's say my lifetime, OK? A lot of British music, much of it totally unrelated to any notional idea of "folkiness", revolves around that 1968-70 moment and worldview, at least to my ears. I could take or leave a lot of that era, but not *this* part of it.

Robin Carmody, Monday, 11 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Another great album is Richard Thompson's first solo, "Henry the Human Fly". He never matched it again, in my opinion.

By the way, Mr. Robin, whatever happened to Elidor? Was always an interesting read, yet the "Elidor is going on holiday" notice has been up there for - jeez - how long has it been now?

J Sutcliffe, Monday, 11 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I disagree. I started with "Rumour and Sigh" (then went out and picked up "I Want to See The Bright Lights Tonight" and "Shoot Out the Lights") but WXPN keeps playing tracks from his three most recent albums, and they're all pretty cool.

Lord Custos, Tuesday, 12 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I'll explain privately if you want, J. It's a loooong story.

Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 12 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

hey The Trees! The Trees were great!

duane, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...
revive

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 11:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Have to disagree with Alex in SF - Sandy Denny's solo stuff is frigging amazing. The 'Listen Listen' compilation is a good place to start.

James Ball (James Ball), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 12:03 (sixteen years ago) link

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Lynskey (Lynskey), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 12:29 (sixteen years ago) link

Mellow Candle!!

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 14:13 (sixteen years ago) link

i've still never heard mellow candle or the comus record. the comus record was reissued on vinyl but i haven't picked it up yet.

j fail (cenotaph), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 15:40 (sixteen years ago) link

the best of custos revivals bcz of that really nice post from robin

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 19:06 (sixteen years ago) link

Sandy Denny!

Surely!

Cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 19:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Julie Driscoll!

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 19:41 (sixteen years ago) link

Judee Sill!

Cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 20:21 (sixteen years ago) link

the best of custos revivals bcz of that really nice post from robin
I agree. I wish more people would just unload a clip of data like that.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 21:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Interesting article on Richard & Linda Thompson in the new issue of Mojo btw.

James Ball (James Ball), Thursday, 15 May 2003 13:34 (sixteen years ago) link

ten months pass...
I too am getting into folk, at least for a couple of minutes.

Anybody who wants to recommend to me Fairport Convention things, or cognates, here, please go ahead.

the fairfox, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 08:01 (fifteen years ago) link

VASHTI

the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 08:03 (fifteen years ago) link

The Pinefox, check out Candidate.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 10:40 (fifteen years ago) link

I'll recommend Pecker Dunne, an Irish traveller.
He lived in my neck of the woods (West Cork) for a while when I was a kid, and I remember my parents and me going to see him in a pub.
He recorded one album at the time which still sounds great to me. Most available CD of his stuff is on a compilation called 'Songs of the Travellin' People', which is half songs by him, half by Margaret Barry.
Margaret Barry was a traveller and a singer around the 1950s. The Wire once compared her to Bessie Smith, but she's an acquired taste, as she was used to singing in crowded pubs without a microphone, and didn't change her style when recording in the studio.

Joe Kay (feethurt), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 11:36 (fifteen years ago) link

three months pass...
Fairport Convention
Tuesday September 28th - 8pm $18advance/$20door
Milestones 170 East Ave.

Red Panda Sanskrit (ex machina), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:11 (fifteen years ago) link

shirley collins -- doomy death folk;
vashti bunyan -- unlimited amount of twee on offer now;
affinity -- blues folk rocka's and they do amazing version of i am the walrus;
and any bert jansch and john renbourne rekkerds.

doomie x, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:30 (fifteen years ago) link

The Comus record First Utterance is bewitching. If you can still find one, get it. I like Steeleye Span's "Parcel of Rogues" a lot but haven't heard anything else. "Alison Gross" has some amazing noise guitar at the very end that sounds like nothing else I can think of from the period.

Sean Witzman (trip maker), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 14:11 (fifteen years ago) link

Second the Comus recommendation.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 14:14 (fifteen years ago) link

Pecker Dunne, again!

the finefox, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 15:13 (fifteen years ago) link

i sold my comus cd to one of you, but i forget who.

|a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 15:14 (fifteen years ago) link

"Bright Phoebus" by MIke and Lal Waterson (and their folkrock mates)
belongs in the esteemed company of the records mentioned so far.
Some great songs (all originals), some great Thompson licks, and phenomenal singing. Really soulful record.

It's not widely available, but you can get it here:

http://www.folkmusic.net/

de, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 15:40 (fifteen years ago) link

If you can find a copy, I really like the Stone Angel album (released on CD on Kissing Spell in the '90s).

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 15:58 (fifteen years ago) link

Astonishingly beautiful track from Sandy Denny's pre-Convention album with the Strawbs: 'And You Need Me'.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 16:00 (fifteen years ago) link

Fairports-like goodness from around the world: Folque, Ougenweide (Eulenspiegel is a must), Malicorne, Bröselmaschine, Calicanto, Saint Just, Izukaitz, Spriguns (of Tolgus), Gjallarhorn, Merlons of Nehemia, The Morrigan, Dulcimer, Magna Carta, Tarujen Saari, some of (Takahashi) Ayuo's projects, Decameron, The Sun Also Rises, Tudor Lounge, Bread Love & Dreams. happy hunting.

echoinggrove (echoinggrove), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 16:21 (fifteen years ago) link

five months pass...
Anyone have any opinions about Planxty?

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 30 January 2005 01:54 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm sure I've heard 'em, but no memory ID. You might like this Australian singer, Cyndi Boste. She's been compared to Lucinda Williams (who's also very good), but Cyndi's got a deeper, richer voice. More like Tracy Nelson, Neko Case, Kelly Hogan vocally, although her songs can be like Lucinda's, or Neil Young's. Lots of good Australian covers, too, on her latest (and folkiest),*SCRAMBLED EGGS: THE ROSE ST. SESSIONS. Milesofmusic.com usually has some of hers. I wrote about her in the Voice a long time ago, but their archive's still kinda messed up since the re-launch, so you might have to google the title, "Alias In Wonderland." Also wrote about the Mollys, who were fronted by two Arizona women, one of Irish descent and the other a Chicana. They saw the Pogues and Los Lobos on the same bill, and thought "H'mmm..."

don, Sunday, 30 January 2005 02:22 (fourteen years ago) link

sorry if I've overlooked a post, but Fairport's HEYDAY, their BBC sessions, has tracks I like very much (despite scruffy sound on Ryko, but I think it's been re-reissued since, hopefully cleaner). Espcially like their Gene Clark cover, which reminds me of his Byrds tracks newly collected on Raven, which ought to work (speaking of good things Australian, the Raven label's reissued a number of things pertinent to the earthier side of this thread).

don, Sunday, 30 January 2005 05:12 (fourteen years ago) link

Dunno if Custos ever got around to checking out Steeleye or not, but based on the original question, you might get some mileage out of their first record Hark! The Village Wait. Strong Irish influence due to the presence of Gay and Terry Woods (a future Pogue). The Woods left shortly after and formed the Woods Band who supposedly dished up the same sort of broth. Haven't heard the record myself and would be interested in opinions of it.

Otherwise, there's a nice Celtic bent to some Trees stuff - I'm thinking specifically of things like 'Murdoch' with Celia Humphris doing the banshee bit (possibly over-doing it really but somehow the too-muchness only makes me crave it more) and Barry Clark's guitar swooping round the misty cairns much like a rum-addled puffin in his most impossible dreams.

NickB (NickB), Monday, 31 January 2005 10:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Haven't heard the record myself and would be interested in opinions of it.

The Woods' Band album that is.

NickB (NickB), Monday, 31 January 2005 10:58 (fourteen years ago) link

Ditto. It's available on CD.

Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 31 January 2005 12:38 (fourteen years ago) link

The Steeleye Span you need is The Lark in the Morning, a two CD comp. of everything from their first three albums plus a track from a concurrent complilation. This is probably everything you will ever need by them. You can find this around the place for £8 and I think that it's cheaper still on Amazon. I recommend it wholeheartedly.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Monday, 31 January 2005 18:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Silly Sisters!

Snappy (sexyDancer), Monday, 31 January 2005 18:47 (fourteen years ago) link

I was really bowled over listening to Trees' On the Shore album recently.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 31 January 2005 18:50 (fourteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...
the stone angel record is really great

not sure about the 'these trails' record though

terry lennox. (gareth), Sunday, 1 January 2006 10:14 (thirteen years ago) link

three years pass...

My husband put the entire Maddy Prior discog on my computer & it always makes me laugh every time I see it on my itunes.

I X Love (Abbott), Tuesday, 29 December 2009 21:54 (nine years ago) link

lol I revive3d this thread before I noticed the Steeleye Span thread was already on new answers page

I X Love (Abbott), Tuesday, 29 December 2009 21:55 (nine years ago) link

Fairports' BBC sessions box is just great.

ithappens, Tuesday, 29 December 2009 22:08 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

Was interesting to see a lot of the material The Dubliners recorded mid 60s turning up in electric versions on Steeleye Span, Fairports etc lps.
Wish I could find live audio & video from Ashley Hutchings era SS, & more by him with Fairports. Got the French set with Judy Dyble but apparently it was filmed in colour.

Haven't looked to see if Electric Eden & Seasons They Change have been discussed much yet.

Think I found this site through googling Emanuelle Parrenin whose La Maison Rose I saw in a list of cds on ebay.

Stevolende, Saturday, 5 February 2011 22:45 (eight years ago) link

six years pass...

(Swivel-eyed right wing dingbat) Peter Hitchens on "Meet on the Ledge"

http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2015/06/old-forgotten-far-off-things.html

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:16 (two years ago) link

finally getting into those Shelagh MacDonald records (some of which features Thompson & Mattacks), pretty good post Sandy Denny action

tylerw, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:26 (two years ago) link

this one has Thompson and Mattacks on it, i think...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov6BtkDANb8

tylerw, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:28 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

... there's lots of clips of Brian wrestling on YouTube but none of his singing.

'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Saturday, 23 November 2019 21:32 (three weeks ago) link

whoa, never even heard of this!

tylerw, Saturday, 23 November 2019 21:55 (three weeks ago) link

... oh yes there is!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wgtxNZ7mhI

'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Saturday, 23 November 2019 21:56 (three weeks ago) link

... Linda Thompson is certainly enjoying herself.

'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Saturday, 23 November 2019 21:59 (three weeks ago) link

ha, just found that too ... that is as energetic (or drunk?) as I've ever seen Linda Thompson

tylerw, Saturday, 23 November 2019 21:59 (three weeks ago) link

everybody looks pretty toasted, haha

tylerw, Saturday, 23 November 2019 22:01 (three weeks ago) link

You take the girl out of Glasgow...

'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Saturday, 23 November 2019 22:03 (three weeks ago) link

apparently there's another one with swarbrick and pegg. amazing cover.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKFy0YQXkAEV1TF?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

tylerw, Saturday, 23 November 2019 22:21 (three weeks ago) link

Is this the first “wrestling album”

June Pointer’s Valentine’s Day Secret Admirer Note Author (calstars), Saturday, 23 November 2019 23:05 (three weeks ago) link

wow what a find

FBPRieu (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 23 November 2019 23:09 (three weeks ago) link

https://ibb.co/9wGjfLf

is the other.

Fizzles, Sunday, 24 November 2019 08:02 (two weeks ago) link

^ already posted as the first post in this revive

I remember Brian Maxine well from Saturday afternoon wrestling on World of Sport, I even used to go to the wrestling from time to time and I'm fairly sure I saw him in action. Never knew he moonlighted as a singer though.

van dyke parks generator (anagram), Sunday, 24 November 2019 08:20 (two weeks ago) link

(xp) on the ball there, Fizzles ;)

'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Sunday, 24 November 2019 12:30 (two weeks ago) link

Remember when they unmasked Kendo Nagasaki and it was actually Nick Drake?

Wee Bloabby (NickB), Sunday, 24 November 2019 12:55 (two weeks ago) link

Btw Shirley Crabtree is the my favourite obscure 70s folk singer

Wee Bloabby (NickB), Sunday, 24 November 2019 12:57 (two weeks ago) link

I'd always hear that Danny Thompson and John Martyn had a stormy relationship and this photo would seem to confirm it.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c3/eb/cf/c3ebcfcaedd828f97831703afec0a344.jpg

'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Sunday, 24 November 2019 13:00 (two weeks ago) link

(xp) LOL!

'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Sunday, 24 November 2019 13:00 (two weeks ago) link

Haha Tom

Wee Bloabby (NickB), Sunday, 24 November 2019 13:03 (two weeks ago) link

Fyter Layter

FBPRieu (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 24 November 2019 13:16 (two weeks ago) link

Still can’t wrap my mind around this latest revive.

Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 November 2019 13:37 (two weeks ago) link

(xp) on the ball there, Fizzles ;)


indeed nothing gets past me. lol nickb.

Fizzles, Sunday, 24 November 2019 14:25 (two weeks ago) link

INsect trust are good, bit of jazz in there. Not sure who's got either lp on cd at the moment I have the 1st one on Ascension from about 10 years ago.

Sunbeam records seemed to nearly specialise in folk stuff from the turn of the 60s/70s. Fresh Maggots, Synansthesia,Loudest Whisper, C.O.B. (Clive of the original ISB moved to the South of England and got his own band together), Moonkyte, Bread, Love & Dreams. Jade, Mark Fry, Meic Stevens are all good.

Mr Fox specialised in Northeern English folk I think specifically from Yorkshire. They gave us caroline Pegg who has a solo lp that's quite renowned.
& 2 lps of original material.

Dr Strangely Strange are an eccentric bunch from Dublin who put out 2 good lps Kip Of teh Serenes and Heavy petting, the latter of which features some heavy guitar from gary moore. They have a biography that came outover the last year taht I have yet to read.

Strawbs came from an acoustic bluegrassy background and put out a few at least semi classic lps. I'd recommend the 2 that were recorded with Rick Wakeman onboard . the live set A Collection of Curiosities & the Studio From the Witchwood. I think the 1st 2lps and the ones up to around 1973 are quite recommended too but I'm not as familiar with them.
The singer's vocals are a bit of an acquired taste though.

Jethro Tull got very folky in the late 70s Their lp Songs From The Wood sounds a lot like what other people were putting out about 69/70 but with synths and things added. I think the lp works very well , have heard teh next lp Heavy Horses is less successful.

I have the Dave Bixby related lp Second coming by Harbinger playing in the otehr room which is a semi acoustic band he put together after recording Ode To Quexalcoatl and retains his christian message alongside an odd Bowie lift.

Stevolende, Sunday, 24 November 2019 15:39 (two weeks ago) link

Five Rounds Left
Coach Has Told Me

calstars, Sunday, 24 November 2019 21:17 (two weeks ago) link

I'd buy "Five Leaves, Rapid" by Nicholas Courtney

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Sunday, 24 November 2019 22:46 (two weeks ago) link

Are there any books that describe this late 1960s era of folk/folk-rock/folk-jazz-whatever in Britain? As someone who has discovered Pentangle and Richard Thompson, and will probably move on to Fairport Convention, I’d like to know more about the historical background and how all these musicians came together.

Melomane, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 09:45 (two weeks ago) link

Rob Young's Electric Eden is the only book you need.

van dyke parks generator (anagram), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 09:46 (two weeks ago) link

Colin Harper's Dazzling Stranger which is mainly a Bert Jansch biography touches on the scenes in both mid 60s Edinburgh and London a few years later as well as giving the history of Pentangle.

Clinton Heylin put out a pretty comprehensive booki on Fairport Convention last year. What We Did Instead of Holidays.
I like the subject of Heylin's writing more tahn i like his writing which I often find pretty arrogant. But this i sworth reading for the amount of info you get from it

THe Guv'nor on Ashley Hutchings was a great read. Covers early Fairports, Steeleye Span's formative years, and Albion stuff. I think it was where i was reading about the early, Richard thompson era of Albion Band.
I was thinking it was written by Hutchings but now see it is Brian Hinton and Geoff Wall.

Richard Thompson has a 60s memoir due which I look forward to reading.

I Always Kept A Unicorn the MIchael Houghton biography of Sandy Denny was quite comprehensive too,

Clive Palmer had a biography written called Empty Pocket blues by Grahame Hood.
MIke Heron has a 60s memoir out too which I haven't read.

Patrick Humphries wrote books on Richard Thompsoin, NIck Drake and fairport convention a few decades ago. The tone of the one on Richard Thompson is a bit scathing.

Richard Morton jack has a major problem with Electric Eden that I really haven't seen what the story is on. I did think the attempt at injecting a line of speculative fiction into the book was a bit of an odd move. Thought the biographies were interesting.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 10:39 (two weeks ago) link

I'd become rather sceptical about the whole idea of great lost UK folk albums, but when I finally heard Bright Phoebus after its reissue last year (year before?) I was completely blown away. It features most of the people mentioned in this thread (although no wrestlers afaik) and is a truly fantastic work.

fetter, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 11:19 (two weeks ago) link

Bright Phoebus is great. The album that's been a discovery for me in the last year is Heron's Twice as Nice & Half the Price, damn I love that, want to walk into that cover photo and day in the country.

Electric Eden is a great read, both for the musician histories and for placing it in the context of 19th c. folk song collecting, William Morris, etc. I also have, but haven't read, Seasons They Change: The Story of Acid and Psychedelic Folk by Jeanette Leech, which looks promising.

by the light of the burning Citroën, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 13:52 (two weeks ago) link

I'll never get bored of "Yellow Roses" by Heron, which I think is on their other LP but I have the comp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqlHLkMyC98

I didn't love Electric Eden as much as more-or-less everyone I've seen comment on it; I found it a bit overblown in places, and I wish I shared more of Rob's taste - some of the records he raves about I didn't take to.

While I thought it was pretty good on the particular brand of leftism of the 50s/early 60s folk revival I thought it sidestepped the question of how the politics of the whole thing changed/fractured through the hippy years. Ultimately the piece of thinking that had the greatest effect on me was the insight into the deliberate cottageyness of early British attempts at social housing, reflecting interestingly on Britain's relationship with modernism in general, but that's a very different story.

Tim, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 14:02 (two weeks ago) link

Tim OTM.

'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 14:19 (two weeks ago) link

Thanks for the recommendations. I’ve already picked up <i>Electric Eden</i>. Rob Young, huh: ironic that the same guy I went to for late-era Scott Walker has written an ample tome on British folk rock.

Melomane, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 16:20 (two weeks ago) link

Electric Eden was a bit of a slog for me (the relentless impressionistic biographies, mainly) but I basically enjoyed it. I'm sure it's been mentioned but White Bicycles is excellent.

I'm listening to Heron again and being reminded it falls the wrong side of whimsical for me. I almost need to semi-ignore it for a bit, let the sunshine bleed in.

Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 21:19 (two weeks ago) link

Echoing the love for Bright Phoebus here, it's quite wonderful. According the liner notes on the reissue, red wine promises is about getting drunk, walking through Pearson Park and failing to leapfrog a bollard. It's 5 minutes from my house and I've probably fallen over in that spot too. Larkin's High Windows overlook the same park, and I like to think Lal and her fiance are the kids in the first verse.

thomasintrouble, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 22:05 (two weeks ago) link

There is an entire book about Dr Strangely Strange now

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 01:11 (two weeks ago) link

yeah got it, haven't read it yet but it looks promising.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 18:59 (two weeks ago) link

Got a new band to me to recommend. Welsh band called Pererin that were around in th eearly 80s but sound like they come from about a decade earlier.
I think they were on the old Bruton Town list of bands of interest so I've known of their existence for several years without actually hearing them.
Welsh language, acoustic stuff that was reissued by Guerssen a few years ago and may have copies left in their sale at the moment.
That was where my copy came from anyway.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 21:27 (two weeks ago) link

cool thanks for the recommendation

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 23:12 (two weeks ago) link

That's the 2nd lp, still has some electric input. looks like they went consciously acoustic on the next lp.
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/pererin/teithgan/

Stevolende, Thursday, 28 November 2019 00:23 (two weeks ago) link

right, found it, used to be the masthead list for the yahoo group on wyrd etc folk. Does include a few names that weren't automatically fit into the category

Bruton Town list
ncredible string band, linda perhacs, clive's original band, alastair galbraith, comus, damien youth, pantaleimon, midwinter, bob buckingham, pentangle, parameter, current 93, red chair fadeaway, devendra banhart, iron and wine, belladonna bouquet, gnidrilog, loudest whisper, forest, peter scion, anne briggs, green crown, skip spence, popol vuh, fit & limo, acid mothers temple, roscoe holcomb, six organs of admittance, carol of harvest, pearls before swine, estampie, prydwyn, emtidi, moths, ghost, greg weeks, espers, abunai, mandible chatter, witthuser & westrupp, nature & organization, nic jones, stone angel, tyrannosaurus rex, fairport convention, duncan browne, dock boggs, john fahey, drekka, nick drake, angels of light, hammons family, john martyn, mourning cloak, jan dukes degray, mellow candle, donovan, in gowan ring, third ear band, nigel mazlyn jones, chris thompson, ring, dr strangely strange, martyn bates, animal collective, albion band, langsyne, wizz jones, spriguns, the carter family, fuschia, moonkyte, iditarod, shide and acorn, spirogyra, chris cologne, water into wine band, fotheringay, vashti bunyan, mormos, campfire songs, alasdair roberts, cocorosie, floating flower, peter grudzien, diana obscura, vetiver, danielson family, algarnas tradgard, faun fables, bread love & dreams, malicorne, charalambides, tinsel, davey graham, duncan browne, terry earl taylor, simon finn, book of am, extradition, mac macleod, dulcimer, tea & symphony, moth masque, tir na nog, maitreya kali, joanna newsom, shelagh macdonald, bhagavan das, mark fry, tim buckley, magic carpet, sun also rises, tudor lodge, will oldham, b'eirth, exuma, the trees, the farinas, shide & acorn, steeleye span, principal edward's magic theatre, shirley collins, stone breath, mourning phase, old-time music, new weird, neo-folk, acid-folk, psychedelic folk, strange folk, world serpent, dark holler, hand/eye, the forest people

Stevolende, Thursday, 28 November 2019 10:33 (two weeks ago) link


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