The Clash: Classic or Dud

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It’s Twilight of the Gods: The Clash, Classic or Dud.

Yep another holy cow gets it. What amazes me about The Clash is that in theory I should love them when in reality they’re so pedestrian. Why? Because the voices are shit. Because on the first records the sound so terribly thin (so weak in comparison with say The Pistols). Then when they find some bottom I always get the impression the music doesn’t gel, simply because they were more in love with the idea of black music as ‘being down with the brother man’ (indeed if the Manics nowadays would do the same thing with say…hip-hop, they would be crucified). Oh and ‘London Calling’ is one of the most boring and consequently overrated albums of all time. Still I suspect you probably had to be there and that it all was very exciting. So a kind way of putting it is “they aged badly”. So dud.

Omar, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, the Manics did do it, witness their we're-not-worthy excitement over the Bomb Squad mix of "Repeat". Mind you, they weren't worthy.

Another day, another Classic (Clashic?) or Dud. I don't like the Clash. I borrowed a couple of their records just after discovering the Pistols and just thought they were a muggy mess. Then I tried again. And again. And again, most recently last year. And I still don't like them. I hate their myth, of course, but I don't think much of the Pistols' myth and I like their music. So it's not quite that. And I admire all the styles and influences they absorbed, too, and their attempts to keep their music fresh. So I think it might be as simple a thing as the voice and tunes not suiting me.

B.A.D.'s "E=MC2" I think is ace, though.

Tom, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Is that 'the last white gang in town myth'? Being in a fair mood I tried to napster some songs before submitting another C&D (1.435.467 still to go ;) and I'm convinced it's the voices and the tunes, there's something so depressingly 1979/1980 about it. 4:23 minutes to go before Dr.C arrives with a classic verdict :)

Didn't know about the Manics remix, but that's the safe thing of commisioning a remix isn't it? You don't get your hands dirty.

Omar, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm getting predictable, but I can't fake this one. Absolute Classic (of course). Like the Smiths - great singles, great albums, great live. Mythology, excitement, controversy!

Where to start? The debut didn't have the best production but it sounds bloody powerful to me. Great songs too. They were never a straight-ahead punk band to me - the different musical roots all showed - Jones' glam guitar and camp singing, Strummer's rockabilly past and Simenon's immersion in Brixton dub-reggae. The inclusion of 'Police and Thieves' (and working with Lee Perry on 'Complete Control') was a brave and interesting move for the times, and totally genuine. I really can't see that they were interested in 'being down with the brother'.

I never really liked 'Give'em enough Rope', but all the hype about 'London Calling' is, for me, justified. Great, great rock and roll. 'Sandinista' is flawed genius - the band doing what they wanted, rather than what they should. Sure there's some crap on there, but THIS IS WHAT I WANT from artists - surprise, risk, the possibility of something new. 'Combat Rock' hasn't aged well, and 'Cut the Crap' isn't the Clash at all.

The Live album is beyond fantastic - if you can't get the power of the songs through the 1977 production, just hear the first album songs on this! As for the live versions of 'Bankrobber', 'City of the Dead' and 'Armagideon Time' - words fail me - genius. It;'s possibly the best Clash album of all! No doubt there will be some who agree and some who don't. It'll be interesting to follow the thread. Me? I'm in love with rock and roll, whoa!

Dr. C, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Omar - Now I regret backing you up on the Smiths thread - I just might have to start a Neil Young - Classic or Dud on yo ass ;)

Anyway, The Clash has been my favorite band since I was 15. I won't try to explain why right now, and I'm not sure anything I could think of right now could quite explain their utter greatness. But in the meantime, a fucking C-L-A-S-S-I-C.

The voices sound perfectly fine to me - Strummer was, like Dylan, a limited singer whose voice was perfectly suited to his music - passionate and full of heart. And the way they integrated black music into their sound, especially reggae, feels more organic to me than any similar attempt by a white band - not that people try this sort of thing much lately.

Also, they were lots of fun - this is really important. Forget all the serious crap that everyone including myself always says about them.

Hmmm, I'll be back later :)

Patrick, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

To answer Omar's myth queston - either you get off on the very idea of gangs of boys with guitars making rock and roll or you don't. I don't: I find pretty much every other pop archetype more interesting.

Tom, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"Give 'Em Enough Rope" is a classic album, lacking the problems of bad production and bad songs which ruined the debut. They might have been a good band if they ditched those stupid bloody double/triple LP ideas.

Nick Greenfield, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

oh, easily a dud. i imagine my experience is close to tom's. i tried to like them, then again, then again. just the other day i was listening to story of the clash, even. and nothing. "white man (in hammersmith palais)" starts off well, ditto "train in vain." but they never go anywhere and i've never been enough of a fan of lyrics to get off on those and strummer has an absolutely awful voice. so, yeah, dud.

but the afghan whig's cover of "lost in the supermarket" is fab.

fred solinger, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Omar and Fred are both, of course, astoundingly and exactly right. YAWN. The best thing they ever did was Strummer's pseudonym-hidden report of some of the band's funnier incidents over the years in _Story of the Clash_ -- things like the Suicide show, the French festival and Roxy Music's appearance and disappearance, etc. Now that's good stuff. But I don't need the music to enjoy it. ;-) The Damned, now *they* were a great band -- they essentially hit their wall in 1983 or so and have only retread here and there since, but _Machine Gun Etiquette_ over the entire Clash boredomology any day of the week.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic...not all of their output was good though...'The Clash' and @'Give em..' were weak in parts. But 'Combat rock' and 'London calling' are excellent. Joes voice is an aquired taste..i never had a problem with it. 'Stay free' is the best song about growing up EVER. The Clash rock.

Michael bourke, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay, is this "Annoy Ally Week" at Freaky Trigger? Damnit, everyone is dissing bands I like. Why not start a Saint Etienne Classic Or Dud and just make up rubbish about everyone hating them?

Anyhow, classic. I don't know why. I just love them. The voice works with the songs, in general. The music rocks. It might also help to note that I think the Sex Pistols blow goats, so maybe it's impossible to like both bands, since about half the people saying they dislike the Clash have mentioned liking the Sex Pistols (or are people I know like them).

And, for the record, I think the Repeat mix is better than the Repeat original, but it's not saying much cos Repeat is one of the Manics' most annoying pre-disappearance songs. It's probably one of the most obvious examples of the pedestrian cut-and-paste sloganeering, innit?

Ally, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The Clash do have some good songs - most of them being the ones where Strummer doesn't sing. I completley agree with Ned about the Damned - Machine gun... is oneof the best albums I have.

Nick Greenfield, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Absolute Classic. C'mon, if it REALLY came down to who can sing and who can't, then I'd imagine Mariah Carey would be on the top of everyone's "classic" list.

They continually evolved, which is more than I can say for 99% of the shite that people call "classic" these days. You know you're a Clash fan when you wish that SANDINISTA! was 4 records...

And how can you say they haven't aged well?!? Tell me, who in the last 15 years has gone down a similar path to the Clash and outdone them? That's right, nobody. Nobody has even come close.

Tim Baier, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I've always wished Sandinista was 5 records (with a bonus 7-inch)

Dr. C, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I think the reason nobody went down that path, Tim, is because nobody wanted to. Listening to "This is Radio Clash," can you blame them? ;-)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Tell me, who in the last 15 years has gone down a similar path to Marillion and outdone them? That's right, nobody. Nobody has even come close.

Tanya, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Topper Headons sister disses the Clash! I on the other hand think they're very good.

Steven James, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

They were mostly poo. Joe Strummer has THE most annoying voice ever, their first album is rubbish (yes it is), they weren't as good as most of their contemporaries and The Ruts did the reggae thing much, much better. Dud!

DG, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

It might also help to note that I think the Sex Pistols blow goats, so maybe it's impossible to like both bands, since about half the people saying they dislike the Clash have mentioned liking the Sex Pistols (or are people I know like them).

This is strangely true. My opinions on these two bands have totally reversed. At the time the Clash were, for a period, virtually gods to me (but I was rather indifferent to the Sex Pistols who seemed musically conservative). Now the Sex Pistols seem the more god-like, and the Clash a contrived mix of political posturing and repellent, ugly music

David, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

After I decided that Rush was not my favorite band in the world, the Clash was and kept the title for a good three days or so. Finding the UK version of their first album even made me buy a record player, I think. I heard "London Calling" for the first time in ages the other night as warm-up music at the Weezer show, but I was much more excited that they played "If the Kids Are United" by Sham 69 right before (incidentally, there were actual *gutter punks*, at a fucking WEEZER show, clapping along to Sham 69. I also overheard a girl who said, "I'm 14; I've been listening to Weezer since the second grade"). The Clash get points for making political correctness and genuine eclecticism far less annoying than most other bands that try these things, which probably proves they had a better sense of humor than they are generally given credit for. They aren't nearly as funny as the Sex Pistols though. They probably aren't even as funny as Crass, though I wouldn't know because I can't stand Crass. You know what, maybe the Clash is the perfect example of the band I like because I feel sorry for them. Because it's not like I ever listen to the records or anything. I'd feel wrong calling them classic OR dud, at this point.

Kris, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

i had the briefest of flirtations with punk and while i never rated the clash with the damned(were they really a punk band?) i still don't understand the disgust with joe strummer's voice. it always sounded to me as if he was leaving it all on the floor after singing a song, 'complete control' gosh that is an amazing song. mick jones was the weakness if there is a need to discuss one. 'earthquake weather' wasn't so bad either. and man the clash influenced rancid, classic all the way if for nothing other than rancid.

keith, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

is this a joke?

FUCKING CLASSIC

Larms, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

In reading your responses, I see where we differ...I hate Mick Jones' songs and love Strummer. Go figure.

Larms, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Of course they weren't as good as the Sex Pistols, because no one was. So still, absolutely classic, for all the reasons listed above, as well as the fact that they had Topper Headon, one of rock and roll's most underrated drummers ever.

And the Ruts doing white reggae better? "Jah War" versus "The Guns of Brixton" or "One More Time"? Come on, there's no contest.

Greg Ferguson, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

My point still holds because those songs suffer from that fool Strummer 'singing' on top of it. Ewwww.

DG, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Strummer doesnt sing on Brixton. Right?

Larms, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Quite right about that being no contest -- "Jah War" rules. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

And for what it's worth, I'd have to say that the fact that the Clash, erm, 'inspired' Rancid is one of their greatest musical crimes ever. The humorless, self-righteous annoyance that is Rancid is the type of thing I'd immediately disown were I either Strummer or Jones -- though I fear they'd more immediately recognize kindred spirits, more's the pity.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

How the fuck can the fact that those useless turds Rancid were 'inspired by them' be held against The Clash? Why do they need to 'disown' something that has nothing to do with them.

Dr. C, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm pleased Greg has mentioned 'One More Time' - a great song, which I guess is ignored 'cos it's on Sandinista.

As for comments about Strummer's voice - who do you fuckin' want singing then? Neil Hannon? Mr. Belle and Sebastian? Kiri Te Kanawa?

Dr. C, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Damon Albarn should sing them. Which I originally typed as "Damn Albarn", which is a darn sight better name for him.

Anyhow, yeah, what the hell? How can the existance of Rancid make the Clash's music good or bad? This gets perilously into the territory of a previous thread about holding the bands inspired by someone against the original band - an idea pretty much everyone disowned because it would mean every band ever would be labelled crap because someone out there who is talentless is inspired by them. It's unfair.

And Rancid aren't that bad - they could be, like, the Levellers.

Ally, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

It is most specifically not unfair. Not when you've had to read an interview with Tim Armstrong and realize the idiocy punk in general and the Clash in particular excused. Yech. ;-) I'd rather listen to a typical George W. Bush drone for an hour, because comparatively the brain damage is actually less vicious with the beloved president.

Anyway, both the Clash and Rancid come across as patent bores who can't do anything interesting to save their lives. On that level they're equally culpable. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Rancid's songs sound pretty warm and friendly to me.

Patrick, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Strummr sings like some kind of spaz. Jah War beats guns of brixton on A)Subject matter b)Authenticity (Owen actually sounds almost like a Rastafarian, unlike the afore mentioned spaz) and c)Bassline (i can do both!)

Also a double lp was a bit of a bad idea, but a triple!?

Nick Greenfield, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Nah Ned, plenty of people have gone down a similar path (witness: Rancid references) but they all sucked. I didn't say nobody had tried.

Tanya: Well, if you are such a fan of Marillion, then you should be happy that they have aged well and nobody has surpassed them in recent years and made them look bad! ;)

Oh yes, and you can chalk me up as one who thinks both the Pistols (all 1 albums of them) and the Clash are brilliant.

Tim Baier, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic. All "London Calling" is brilliant, particularly Lost in the Supermarket. Sandanista is equally great.

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic. Sex Pistols were boring, turgid Marilyn Manson/Late Prodigy forerunners. The Clash were so much more than a straight punk band. Granted, some tracks (Hitsville UK, This is Radio Clash, The Magnificent 7) were really truly terrible. But the bulk of the Clash's material is pure classic. I don't understand why people find strummer's voice irritating (sure, it's not going to be as sweet as apple blossom - this is punk!)...

Charlie Frame, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, but even by punk standards Strummer sounds like a spaz. And just what was that Levi's ad all about? Eh?

DG, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Hang on: it ISN'T unfair to call the Clash crap because Rancid are crap? Right.

Therefore, the Smiths are the worst band of all time because Gene suck.

Ally, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Given how much I loathe Gene, I'm completely in agreement with this assessment! Neither Morrissey nor Marr should be forgiven -- especially since apparently El Moz has willingly deigned a few Gene shows with his presence.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Hmmm. Okay, fair enough, as long as it goes on universally, I'm fine with this theory.

Wire = Elastica = Crap. Madonna = Christina Aguilera = Crap. Clash = Rancid = Crap.

Ally, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...
bankrobber 7" single = classic EVERYTHING ELSE = kilo-dud the ruts did it, like, 100 x better :)

"we're middle class - yeah, yeah, yeah ----we come from public school - yeah, yeah, yeah" ;-)

"they told us to release complete control - so we DID!" x0x0

norman fay, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Worth reviving this thread in the light of the 'Never Mind the Bollocks' debate. The potency of 'The Clash' myth never ceases to amaze, once worked with prisoners in Leeds with Clash tatoos, Greil Marcus etc. Yet the few times I've tried listening to one of their albums from start to finish all I hear is dull, lame, grey, piss-weak pub rock.

Stevo, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, but wasn't 'Sandinista!' their 'Kid A'?

tarden, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

No. "Sandinista" was their "Tales From Topographic Oceans". I have owned both, so I know, right?

x0x0

Norman Fay, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
I thing the Clash beats Madonna any day of week. Tell, me are you going out this weekend? Thank you. Again, thanks.

kenny shohan, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...
"Cool Confusion" is classic, too.

adaml (adaml), Sunday, 28 September 2003 22:47 (sixteen years ago) link

Classic.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 28 September 2003 23:09 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm not in agreement of saying a band is crap, because of the crap it inspired. If we were thinking that way, everything would be crap, cuz any good band has inspired their bits of crap. All of grunge would be down the toilet for making Creed, as would be all NWOBM for giving way to hair metal, all of classic punk would be down the toilet for inspiring all the hordes of late 90s 'punk' bands ala blink-182, rancid, etc. etc. etc. Pavement, Pixies, Replacements, Beatles, all crap if you judge 'em by those standards.

Cacaman Flores, Sunday, 28 September 2003 23:18 (sixteen years ago) link

All of grunge would be down the toilet for making Creed

I think I'd be fine with that, actually.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 28 September 2003 23:24 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm still reeling over Rudie

It's just so sad, I want to help him...or beat him senseless, i can't decide

VegemiteGrrl, Thursday, 14 April 2011 03:17 (nine years ago) link

Tom's piece is fantastic and the comments cover the waterfront nicely. As someone who came to the Clash late and not wholeheartedly, I always felt that having reservations was crucial to liking them, and that the band themselves (or at least Strummer) would probably concur. They're a band who tried so many things that they were bound to fuck up some of them, but that gave their failures a certain nobility. People who profess to hate them seem to hate the myth more than the music.

Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Thursday, 14 April 2011 07:50 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

watching clash live on youtube - they really seemed to not care how they sounded that much and it was still awesome - how inspiring

The Cheerfull Turtle (Latham Green), Thursday, 9 August 2012 19:14 (eight years ago) link

I love the way they look like they're going to leap into the crowd and start whaling on them, esp Joe

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 9 August 2012 20:13 (eight years ago) link

The Clash are probably my favorite live band ever, but is there any doubt that they did too many drugs in the studio?

Everything You Like Sucks, Thursday, 9 August 2012 20:27 (eight years ago) link

As someone who came to the Clash late and not wholeheartedly, I always felt that having reservations was crucial to liking them, and that the band themselves (or at least Strummer) would probably concur. They're a band who tried so many things that they were bound to fuck up some of them, but that gave their failures a certain nobility. People who profess to hate them seem to hate the myth more than the music.

― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Thursday, April 14, 2011 7:50 AM (1 year ago)

this really sums it up nicely!

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 9 August 2012 20:46 (eight years ago) link

I've been learning all of "London Calling" with my guitar teacher, track by track, which has forced a closer listen. Remarkable how much chorus effect is on almost all the guitars, also how so many of the simple chord progressions support some awesome arrangements (organ, horns, percussion, etc.). Also amazed to discover that, for some inexplicable reason, "Lost in the Supermarket" seems to be in open E tuning, which is weird and relatively rare outside of the Allman Bros. and, I dunno, "She Talks to Angels" by the Black Crowes.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 August 2012 20:59 (eight years ago) link

ten months pass...

super-mad to be travelling during Clash poll and disco poll and Neptunes results

pink, fleshy, and gleeful (sic), Thursday, 27 June 2013 14:43 (seven years ago) link

two years pass...

Spanish bums

calstars, Saturday, 25 July 2015 10:53 (five years ago) link

In his first full-length documentary, I Need A Dodge: Joe Strummer On The Run, English filmmaker Nick Hall investigates what seems like a nearly impossible task to find Strummer’s car, a Dodge GT3700, lost in Madrid more than 20 years ago.

Why search for the Dodge? Because Strummer — who died 13 years ago — loved the car. It transported him from Madrid to Granada and the rest of Spain during his creative crisis. But the car is simply, well, a vehicle. The film’s real aim is to document Strummer’s search for a new identity. It captures his devastation as The Clash disbands for good, then follows his recovery as he dedicates himself to producing a record for 091, a young and unknown band from Granada.

The tale of Strummer’s 18-month “Spanish period” is told mostly through the memories of other musicians, who were first enamored by The Clash leader, then became his friends and collaborators.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 25 July 2015 13:47 (five years ago) link

Sounds interesting if a little reaching

calstars, Saturday, 25 July 2015 18:32 (five years ago) link

Yep, that's how it was

curmudgeon, Sunday, 26 July 2015 18:11 (five years ago) link

Not all flattering re Strummer--he only races back to London from Granada at one point because his significant other has called him (via a bandmate) and said that she's about to give birth and would like him there in the hospital. He had gotten so wrapped up in doing something new musically (producing the obscure band 091) after his version II of the Clash disentegrated (and folks were giving him grief for the dismissal of Mick Jones and more) that he lost track of stuff.

Oh, and it does sound like "Spanish bums" sometimes...

curmudgeon, Monday, 27 July 2015 13:26 (five years ago) link

two years pass...

Pleasantly surprised by "Janey Jones" at a Five Guys this morning.

a shomin-geki poster with some horror elements (WilliamC), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 02:27 (two years ago) link

Circa 1999, I was well known for my hilarious parody song, “I’m in love with the Jenny Jones Show!

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 03:08 (two years ago) link

Ha

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 13:03 (two years ago) link

I thought those were the actual words, for longer than I would care to admit.

Pwn Goal Picnic (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 12 July 2018 02:38 (two years ago) link

My wife always thought Mick Jones was saying Oh my car is on throughout Spanish Bombs

kornrulez6969, Thursday, 12 July 2018 04:16 (two years ago) link

shareef don't like it,
lock the taskbar

meaulnes, Thursday, 12 July 2018 17:25 (two years ago) link

I used to think it was a song about walls.

The rock and roll wall
The Ghetty Stone wall
The ginnyjone wall

etc

Mark G, Friday, 13 July 2018 09:17 (two years ago) link

lmao mark. that's good.

meaulnes, Friday, 13 July 2018 12:45 (two years ago) link

haha mark otm, i used to think that too!!

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 13 July 2018 14:30 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

*bump*

TS: Kirk/Spock vs. Hitchcock/Truffaut (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 9 February 2020 01:36 (seven months ago) link

classic

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 9 February 2020 03:00 (seven months ago) link

Always

Οὖτις, Sunday, 9 February 2020 03:03 (seven months ago) link

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-album-reviews/sandinista-188352/

We can still use that stubborn Sixties morality, and we would do well to remember the missed opportunity of punk — the revolution that wasn’t — without the simple postures of either of those underachieved countercultures. But we also need these post movement, postideological, private and public “count me out — and in” complications of identification and distance, of participation in and respite from the varieties of violence in the world and the inequalities that cause them. If I were younger, I’d write something on a bathroom wall. It’d be a lot shorter and more to the point. Maybe Lennon lives, Clash rule and rock against Reagan. And I wouldn’t worry about the improbabilities.

j., Sunday, 9 February 2020 03:17 (seven months ago) link

I had a blast last night at an International Clash Day dance party & art show. Some local players did a one-off cover band focusing on material up through London Calling (plus the two hits).

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 9 February 2020 03:59 (seven months ago) link

classic, then and now

let's talk about gecs baby (sleeve), Sunday, 9 February 2020 04:07 (seven months ago) link

burn all early-ILX UK contrarians at the stake

let's talk about gecs baby (sleeve), Sunday, 9 February 2020 04:08 (seven months ago) link

Even Ned?

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 9 February 2020 04:08 (seven months ago) link

Lol

TS: Kirk/Spock vs. Hitchcock/Truffaut (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 9 February 2020 04:10 (seven months ago) link

I said "UK", 1st poster "Omar" specifically

let's talk about gecs baby (sleeve), Sunday, 9 February 2020 04:12 (seven months ago) link

I'm sure Ned has realized the error of his ways :)

let's talk about gecs baby (sleeve), Sunday, 9 February 2020 04:13 (seven months ago) link

omar was dutch? or spanish iirc

j., Sunday, 9 February 2020 04:18 (seven months ago) link

I stand corrected, before my time. But yeah these old threads really double down on the sacred cow mutilation, to their detriment.

let's talk about gecs baby (sleeve), Sunday, 9 February 2020 04:20 (seven months ago) link

NED IS A CITIZEN OF THE WORLD

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 9 February 2020 04:20 (seven months ago) link

Why? Because the voices are shit” is one of my all-time favorite ILX lines

turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Sunday, 9 February 2020 04:48 (seven months ago) link

Did anyone listen to the Spotify miniseries history (hosted by Chuck D)? It was predictable hagiography, but still worth it imo. Lots of archival interviews. Last episode did a nice job of ending with the Joe/B.A.D. reunion, instead of the back-to-roots Clash mark 2 show. (I have a boot of the Latino Rockabilly War first show where they cover a few songs from the 2nd BAD record.)

stop torturing me ethel (broom air), Sunday, 9 February 2020 22:29 (seven months ago) link

Started to because a friend of mine mentioned it but got derailed/distracted. What I heard was pretty good. Obviously Chuck is burning his as well as their legend though.

TS: Kirk/Spock vs. Hitchcock/Truffaut (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 9 February 2020 23:36 (seven months ago) link

Ha. Maybe. Both groups always wanted legend + mainstream success though. No doubt one of the reasons they're both interesting, but also why many the children of the double IPA generation are too good for them.

stop torturing me ethel (broom air), Monday, 10 February 2020 13:38 (seven months ago) link

I liked that podcast in the predictable ways I would, as both a Clash and PE fan. I did learn a fair amount. My favorite episode was the recording of Sandinista, which made me revisit it. It sound like it was fun to make.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 10 February 2020 14:20 (seven months ago) link

Burning=burnishing

TS: Kirk/Spock vs. Hitchcock/Truffaut (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 10 February 2020 14:21 (seven months ago) link

three weeks pass...

what's the best book about the Clash

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 19:03 (six months ago) link

Last Gang In Town, probably

Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 19:41 (six months ago) link

that was my guess but hard to tell from rando internet reviews

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 19:42 (six months ago) link

got it from the library - am learning a lot and generally enjoying it, but Grey's fixation on the band's various inauthenticities ("Joe Strummer's family life was not as terrible as he initially made it out to be!" or whatever) is kinda irritating/stupid

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 16:49 (six months ago) link

yeah I thought of caveating, but it doesn’t change the fact that the reporting is good

he gets really cranky & bitter abt selling out later on, iirc

Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 17:02 (six months ago) link

lol I suspected as much

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 17:08 (six months ago) link


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