tracklist:1. estrella2. raw3. don't feed the cat4. barock am ring5. my grandmotha6. dangernugget7. the gekloppel continues8. brutalga square9. chininea
anyone else heard it?
― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 21 July 2005 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― marc q, Thursday, 21 July 2005 15:16 (nineteen years ago) link
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― W i l l (common_person), Thursday, 21 July 2005 15:26 (nineteen years ago) link
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― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Thursday, 21 July 2005 15:52 (nineteen years ago) link
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― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 21 July 2005 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link
kosi comes around descriptions coming up.
― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 21 July 2005 16:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 21 July 2005 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 21 July 2005 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Thursday, 21 July 2005 16:26 (nineteen years ago) link
here's 'don't feed the cat':http://s24.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0CILUZHJXTR142XWUP0QXZP5YU
― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 21 July 2005 16:47 (nineteen years ago) link
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― Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 21 July 2005 17:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Thursday, 21 July 2005 17:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 21 July 2005 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link
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― W i l l (common_person), Friday, 22 July 2005 01:15 (nineteen years ago) link
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― geeta (geeta), Friday, 22 July 2005 01:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― W i l l (common_person), Friday, 22 July 2005 01:48 (nineteen years ago) link
(song is cool regardless ;) )
― tylero (tylero), Friday, 22 July 2005 04:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― geeta (geeta), Friday, 22 July 2005 06:43 (nineteen years ago) link
Ronan.
― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 22 July 2005 07:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 22 July 2005 07:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 22 July 2005 08:01 (nineteen years ago) link
Having listened to the exclusives, it's apparent why they made it a double. Almost everyone steps up.
― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 22 July 2005 10:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― mark p (Mark P), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― W i l l (common_person), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― mark p (Mark P), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:35 (nineteen years ago) link
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― Jamie T Smith (Jamie T Smith), Friday, 22 July 2005 15:15 (nineteen years ago) link
its an effects controller that processes input sounds in realtime. basically you sample sounds into the pad and move/distort/swoosh them across the soundfield with your finger in realtime. the backwards/flipped/reversed/swallowed section of thom yorke's vocals on "everything in its right place" are kaoss padded to hell.
― mark p (Mark P), Friday, 22 July 2005 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― mark p (Mark P), Friday, 22 July 2005 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link
I like DJ Koze
― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Friday, 22 July 2005 15:25 (nineteen years ago) link
I didn't actually like Brutalga Square, so have not really bothered with DJ Koze, but I'm intrigued now. A lot happens in that track.
― Jamie T Smith (Jamie T Smith), Friday, 22 July 2005 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― mark p (Mark P), Friday, 22 July 2005 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 22 July 2005 15:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 22 July 2005 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― geeta (geeta), Friday, 22 July 2005 19:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 22 July 2005 19:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Friday, 22 July 2005 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link
it's sad to think / I guess neither one of us / wants to be the first to say / goodbye
― k3vin k., Sunday, 3 June 2018 16:38 (six years ago) link
where are brad and tim
― k3vin k., Sunday, 3 June 2018 16:41 (six years ago) link
Omg a dj koze produced Bjork album would be so good, I hate what Arca has done with her sound.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 3 June 2018 16:51 (six years ago) link
If you like pick up peep the 10 min edit.
Also the seeing aliens extended destroys the original. This is my favourite record this year. Sound wise it towers over everything in terms of innovation and ideas
― synonym toast crunch (Ross), Sunday, 3 June 2018 20:21 (six years ago) link
Like that casino slot machine sound on track 2 is so weird but works perfectly
― synonym toast crunch (Ross), Sunday, 3 June 2018 20:23 (six years ago) link
listened to the 10 min version a couple of times -- what am I missing that is different, other than an extra 4 minutes?
other early favorite for me is "planet hase". sounds like balearic dam-funk
― k3vin k., Sunday, 3 June 2018 20:38 (six years ago) link
Kevin you’re not missing anything really - it’s jusr longer with a longer fade but it seems to just loop the original elements yeah. Also of note there’s b sides to this record. Pm me if need be
― synonym toast crunch (Ross), Sunday, 3 June 2018 21:14 (six years ago) link
thanks ross, I heard “love truck” else is there?
― k3vin k., Monday, 4 June 2018 02:32 (six years ago) link
am really into “baby” now
There’s also nein Konig nein
― synonym toast crunch (Ross), Monday, 4 June 2018 08:41 (six years ago) link
pick up 12" is just about my favourite record i've bought all year
― William Thinkpiece Hackery (NickB), Monday, 4 June 2018 09:32 (six years ago) link
much more into the back half of this than the front
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 5 June 2018 19:09 (six years ago) link
Same man
Pacing is so weird on this record. The Murphy and pick up tracks bring it back to life and it soars onwards. It’s like he reverse engineered the comedown - the high comes later
― synonym toast crunch (Ross), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 19:17 (six years ago) link
I think my prior comparison to dark night of the soul stands. Like the sparkle horse - Lynch record this is featured with guests and there’s an aesthetic diversity? But personally I prefer the banging second half
― synonym toast crunch (Ross), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 19:20 (six years ago) link
Been digging through the eps too and recommend
XTC - solid aside and fairly banging bsideRue burnout - nice piano house track
― synonym toast crunch (Ross), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 02:59 (six years ago) link
Feel like this could do with having a few tracks and/or singers shitcanned. Like I don't know who Eddie Fummler is but I never want to hear his 'Moving In A Liqueeeeeed' vocal ever again.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 08:40 (six years ago) link
There are almost no good reasons for vocals on electronic tracks. You don’t need a singer to validate your music. At least he isn’t singing himself. Electronic producers who also sing are the worst.
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 11:57 (six years ago) link
When you consider that wipes out a massive chunk of all house music that's quite a statement. Problem here is that Koze himself can't really write songs, or the vocalists he chooses can't. They all sound like these disembodied heads grafted onto the top (same was true with Matthew Dear on the last record), by and large the tracks would lose nothing without them there. It's no coincidence that the three vocalists who do work here (Roisin Murphy, Speech, even Kurt Wagner) come from much more songwritery backgrounds.
His comments about house music annoyed me as well, for reasons I can't quite put my foot on:
"But the mood of house music is really limited. It was sensational for me to discover Kerri Chandler, for example. I thought, wow, this is deep and cool. But I began to hear more emotions in folk music. Why do we have to stick to two house chords? This is what I'm trying to work on. We can have more emotions in this music, but we have many formulas that always sound the same.
Like I vaguely get what he's going for here - building tracks out of four or eight-bar loops does tend to limit harmonic development but it's a structural necessity for house music and doesn't necessarily limit emotional range. But Koze's tracks are all built out of loops and samples as well, there might be more piled on top of them but the basic mode of construction is essentially the same - ie nothing like folk music or other supposedly more 'songful'/'emotive' genres.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 12:40 (six years ago) link
Brother - save that for the controversial opinions thread, that’s just uh what???
Matt I get your point and will concede not all of the vocals are successful here - I hate the Jose gonzalez song. Clearly koze stepped outside his normal remixes - eps to make a “proper record” for better or worse. His reasoning about house music above is pretentious imo, it comes across as some Mighty Mouse shit. By and large I’m tired of all artists talking about their art and wish they would do what peej does and have some class n let the music speak for itself.
Anyway you’re otm that this is nothing like folk - perhaps the problem is koze is straddling the line between pop songs and house music without fully giving over to either, which makes the album a flawed masterpiece imo
― synonym toast crunch (Ross), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 14:51 (six years ago) link
Artists often convince themselves that they're being really transgressive when they're not. Maybe helps them break through internal barriers, idk.
Also bld is a big Underworld fan. But also doesn't seem to be joking. So again, idk.
You're ... welcome.
― Uhura Mazda (lukas), Thursday, 7 June 2018 18:27 (six years ago) link
My comments are coming from decades of defending electronic music from Rock fans who dismissed it. Ross' use of 'proper record' is getting at the issue. I feel some electronic producers, take Matthew Dear for example, believe vocals add weight and realness to their electronic sounds. This may not always be the case, and yes, I love Underworld, I love Bjork, I love Someday and It's Alright and all the vocal house classics. Koze has been using vocals for a while, so I realize this likely wasn't the right album/artist to drop that comment on, but hopefully my position is clarified. I love electronic music, and I believe electronic music is as meaningful and powerful without lyrics or vocals, and sometimes, I believe artists use vocalists to legitimize their work unnecessarily.
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 7 June 2018 21:21 (six years ago) link
I feel like the vox are cut up and produced to sound like samples and that that’s the point; the “sloppiness” is intentional and sort of an homage to the range of vocal presences in electronic music. While certainly ‘integral’ a lot of vox on early dance feels sort of “grafted on” on a mix level, imo, but then that’s just part of the overall sound. But yeah they’re def not pop songs. It really does sort of have an avalanches vibe
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Friday, 8 June 2018 01:16 (six years ago) link
i wanted to like this record but i'm just not feeling it. most of the lyrics are embarrassing including the roisin murphy ones and "pick up" is good but there are literally hundreds if not thousands of equally good filter disco house bombs out there. i want to like his production and do to a degree but i get tired of what to me sounds like what paintings made on an ipad look like if that makes any sense.
a good vocal track is everything but they seem to be hard to do lately? maybe for artists leaning indie-tronica? louie vega seems to put out a classic vocal track once or twice a year.
― you bet, nancy (map), Friday, 8 June 2018 04:40 (six years ago) link
Electronic music can be enjoyable with vocals, with bongos, with airhorns, with MLK speech samples, who gives a fuck? The thing that killed rock music was precisely this gatekeeping, purist bullshit that stagnates a genre.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 8 June 2018 05:28 (six years ago) link
^^hear hear
this is Angelique Kidjo in p4k today:
I get tired of people who call themselves purists. Before you start talking about “purity,” look at yourself: Are you pure? What is pure in your surroundings? What is pure in nature? The rhetoric of purity, that’s what brought Hitler to power—looking for a pure race. We are not perfect, and that’s why we are brothers and sisters. The fact that we keep ourselves divided is exactly what the people in power want us to do.
― niels, Friday, 8 June 2018 06:54 (six years ago) link
Ah, good old Godwin's law.
― MikoMcha, Friday, 8 June 2018 09:47 (six years ago) link
pet peeve: godwin's law refers to invocation of the third reich as a debate tactic following a long back and forth, not any mention of hitler
― k3vin k., Friday, 8 June 2018 12:22 (six years ago) link
Moka otm
― Slippage (Ross), Friday, 8 June 2018 12:25 (six years ago) link
heh, 'invocation' not really the word I was going for there tbh but you get me
― k3vin k., Friday, 8 June 2018 12:27 (six years ago) link
The vocals are innocuous enough on this to not bother me, grafted xpost was a good choice of words.
I do think the beeDEEGEE record handles vocals better as an album full of guest stars. The vocals seem less of an afterthought
― Slippage (Ross), Friday, 8 June 2018 12:30 (six years ago) link
The problem with Koze albums is usually that he doesn't fuck around with the vocals enough, this definitely has its moments in that regard but he's such a great remixer when he doesn't have too much respect for the singer.
― Matt DC, Friday, 8 June 2018 12:43 (six years ago) link
His remix with Dani siciliano is peak vocals for koze
― Slippage (Ross), Friday, 8 June 2018 14:00 (six years ago) link
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4fSS36Xve4k
uh - I developed Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one
Of course this is pedantry, but it might alleviate that pet peeve of yours ;)
― MikoMcha, Friday, 8 June 2018 14:09 (six years ago) link
godwin's law is dumb tbh
― k3vin k., Friday, 8 June 2018 14:12 (six years ago) link
― Matt DC, Friday, 8 June 2018 12:43 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I think this is part of a broader drawback of this album which is that he doesn't approach it enough like a producer/remixer, with a few exceptions.
I mean a lot of this is great but I'll keep drawing for the two Reincarnations comps ahead of it, I think.
I said in another thread that it seemed to me a bit of an accident of fate that Koze had become such a feted artist ahead of, say, Kalabrese, and listening again to the latter artist's 'Rumpelzirkus' album from 2007 I tend to think that album is like if Koze remembered to keep his jokey side present but sufficiently in check to focus on compelling grooves for a while.
― Tim F, Friday, 8 June 2018 14:15 (six years ago) link
Godwin's Law: You can't mention Hitler online, nor quote anyone mentioning Hitler
― niels, Friday, 8 June 2018 14:18 (six years ago) link
Maybe appropriate for that Kidjo quote on precisely those grounds.
And to invoke this within the context of 'purism'. I dunno, there's been tons of flat-out amazing dance music produced from a purist mindset all the way across electronic music from Detroit techno to Marc Acardipane to FWD>> Not sure why we have to reach for Hitler so quickly, seems like a fetish or something.
― MikoMcha, Friday, 8 June 2018 14:23 (six years ago) link
Anyway, also haven't managed to get into this record yet, have no profound thoughts or observations about it.
Also not sure why Pick Up has seemingly been automatically nominated as hit worthy. I mean, it's fine. I don't hate it, but seems pretty innocuous.
― MikoMcha, Friday, 8 June 2018 14:26 (six years ago) link
Tim otm re approach.
It seems he’s going for a more accessible ideal than some of his bsides or eps which tend to have long drawn out reveries. Also, lord knows why he truncated seeing aliens as the 8 minute version is deeply weird and jarring in the best way. Also the pacing is so weird on this record, opens up with a tim burton esque track which would give no indication to a new listener to keep going imo. Also as stated the 2nd half is much better. Plus would’ve preferred the original “I haven’t been anywhere but it’s on my list” yo colours of autumn which takes the guitar loop sample and adds rapping
― Slippage (Ross), Friday, 8 June 2018 14:28 (six years ago) link
Fuck how many times can I say also. Early morning sorry
― Slippage (Ross), Friday, 8 June 2018 14:29 (six years ago) link
Pick up makes me think of the article about Avicii talking about the key to universal appeal is to have lyrics that are easily understood by anyone & emotional but kind of empty of meaning, something like that
― badg, Friday, 8 June 2018 15:40 (six years ago) link
Lyrics to pick up aren’t empty tho
We’ve all felt that way
― Slippage (Ross), Friday, 8 June 2018 16:28 (six years ago) link
Finally, a 12-inch release for Al Kent's infinitely superior Gladys Knight/Melba Moore mash-up - which is everything Koze's boring "Pick Up" could have been, if only he could have been arsed. I've been waiting for this for months, since hearing it on the radio just before Christmas.
https://soundcloud.com/milliondollardisco/pick-me-up
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 10:10 (five years ago) link
if I play scratch that sufficiently loud, I can hear the backing for pick up very faintly in the background. which could mean murphy recorded the vocals for scratch that over pick up and koze just spun it into a new track. or it could mean kozes just fucking with me, which feels just as likely.
― closed beta (NotEnough), Wednesday, 12 August 2020 18:58 (four years ago) link
Quite enjoyed this: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/aug/02/demons-dj-koze-summer-anthem-genius-bangermeister
― djh, Wednesday, 2 August 2023 22:34 (one year ago) link
i never listened to the koze produced r**s*n m*rphy album that came out whenever because she turned out to be a shitty person obviously, but since finding the instrumentals on youtube i've been listening to them every day for the last two weeks and it's becoming my summer soundtrack
is this ethically bad?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJqwPlz2_EE
― pitted (blue6ave), Friday, 14 June 2024 20:43 (five months ago) link
(meant to link to playlist, apologies for the god awful artwork)
― pitted (blue6ave), Friday, 14 June 2024 20:45 (five months ago) link
I wouldn't feel bad or see it as ethically bad, outside of the fact you're giving her a bit of residual income perhaps. If anything Murphy's reveal was a bit of a rug pull for DJ Koze. Dude was happily putting some sick production work together for her and now that music, much of which was really funky and quite well done, has a disgraced legacy that's possibly having a financial impact, assuming his income was tied to the success of the record in any way. The fact the instrumentals are out there gives me hope I can maybe enjoy the music without Murphy involved at all! Basically a new DJ Koze record...
Good lord that cover art though - fucking hell I'll never get over how bad that is.
― octobeard, Friday, 14 June 2024 21:01 (five months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp01UJBVP-s
new album music can hear us out 4 april. the single featuring albarn is quite nice although idk that albarn's voice really adds much to it
― ufo, Friday, 29 November 2024 10:51 (one week ago) link