Birthday Party - Classic or Dud

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Put on Prayers on Fire for the first time in ages and have been doing virtually nothing but listening to their collected works for the past week or so. 2 albums, 3 (or 4) eps and a slew of singles, all amazing and easily the equal of any of their British or American counterparts. Too bad Nick Cave is in such a rut these days.

Alex in SF, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Dud, but better than the wretched solo Cave. They just seem so *obvious* - tribal/gothic drug doom with a bit of blues scree on top and that's it. Heard one track and you've heard 'em all. No surprises. I will concede that Tracy Pew has a monster bass sound - too bad he wasn't in a decent band. And Junkyard ain't bad - She's Hit was good.

Solo Cave, not that anyone asked, is something I would walk on daggers to avoid hearing ever again. ANY solo Cave. Again, it's so obvious and painfully one dimensional.

Dr. C, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

got the live CD and that's pretty good. But they are too obsessed with the stooges to carve a path of their own.

Julio Desouza, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

classic. they're my favorite of the late 70's gloomy bands because they were funky.

chaki, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Classick. Tracy Pew fucking his bass put me in complete confusion. I love the wild dark perverse crazy out of this world take on blooz. Just listen to Big-Jesus-Trash-Can and try to sit still.

helenfordsdale, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic -- esp. "Junkyard," just unbelievably bleak. "The Bad Seed" and "Mutiny!" also are fabulous. And the first album is pretty great post-punk that doesn't sound bluesy or like much else, really. As far as recent Cave stuff: "The Boatman's Call" was painful, and I hated "Murder Ballad" except for "O'Malley's Bar," but there's some really good stuff on "No More Shall We Part" -- it's just that the ballads are making him more money than what he actually does well, i.e., the harbinger-of-doom spazz-outs.

John Darnielle, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

classik, natch. i suppose it's a testament to "tv eye" and "funhouse" that - for as willfuly "psychotic" as the the birthday party tried to be in their stooges emulation (and anyone denying this is being just a wee bit willful themselves) - they never surpassed them. i -like- their obviousness dr. c. it's part of their charm for me, really; i started to tune out of cave solo the more he tried to distance himself from that knowing wink of Goff/Tribal/Stooges/Psycho hoo hah and started making Americana records.

Search: "Hamlet (Pow, Pow, Pow)" (most of Junkyard in fact); "Release the Bats" and "Blast Off"; "Deep In The Woods"; the live disc; the peel sessions cd.

jess, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

'Nick The Stripper' is my party theme tune.

Totally agree with everyone on the solo Cave. How did a man so talented grow so suddenly dull?

Momus, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The day I judge "The Mercy Seat" and "The Ship Song," to name two songs, to be dull is the day I'm dead. So please keep that in mind when making medical diagnoses about my status.

The Party itself, o' course = wonderful. "She's HIT, she's HIT, she's HIIIIIIIIT..."

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Hate to be all "I especially like their early stuff," but the one I still listen to most is Hee Haw--"Guilt Parade," "Mr. Clarinet," etc. New Wave with teeth. I like the later stuff fine, but some of it's a bit, er, over the top.

lee g, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The Birthday Party were monumentally important to me - much more disorienting and evil than The Stooges or Pussy Galore or Gun Club. I still want to hear that unrealeased 12-minute long version of "Mutiny in Heaven" by Johnny Cash. "Fuckin' WINGS burst out mah back like I was cuttin' teeth!"

I'm not with you all on the solo stuff, I like it all to varying degrees but esp. First Born is Dead, Kicking against The Pricks, Murder Ballads & Boatman's Call. The new one is growing on me - especially that last song (except he uses the word "closure", yechhh) - but I was disappointed by it initially.

fritz, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

This reminds me that I must get round to the BP on Church of Me soon - currently digging out my old Roy Wood records!

Cave solo - I dunno. "From Her To Eternity" (the 1st solo album) is an absolute masterpiece (but then recorded pretty well concurrently with the Mutiny! EP with Bargeld on board so does it strictly count as a "Bad Seeds" record?). "Tender Prey" OK but really "Mercy Seat" plus supporting acts (much preferred "Tender Pervert" to be honest) and then - we're into Uncut territory: wracked, harrowing ballads of despair etc. tce. zzz.

If cash-strapped the "Hits" compilation on 4AD collects pretty well all the essential Party tunes.

Terry Shannon, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I think solo Cave is incredible.

Sean, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I agree, Terry, From Her... and, to a lesser degree, First Born is Dead seem more like a coda to The Birthday Party than Bad Seeds proper.

Mercy Seat is the enduring stand-out on Tender Prey, but I initially loved hearing Cave do his version of La Bamba-bubblegum on Deanna.

fritz, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

To my ears "Your Funeral My Trial" is the best solo Cave, with the near-univerally reviled but half-brilliant nonetheless "Henry's Dream" close behind. Evidence: from YFMT: Jack's Shadow, Hard On For Love, total genius cover of Long Time Man which is always terrific live, and Sad Waters (you can keep "The Carny," thanks); from HD: Papa Won't Leave You, Henry, John Finn's Wife (also stunning live), and one of his love songs, Straight to You.

John Darnielle, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The folks here that know me will know I'm about to mention 1982 BP / Laughing Clowns gig at Coasters in Edinburgh.

1982 BP / Laughing Clowns gig at Coasters in Edinburgh felt like I had taken way too much of the best drugs ever (I hadn't).

I was actually scared at some point how out of control I felt in my enjoyment of it. The best/worst bit was the sudden lurch near the end of 'deep in the woods' where Howards guitar roars out of nowhere.

If you don't like the Birthday Party you don't get to be my friend.

Alexander Blair, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

If we're talking Henry's Dream, I gotta mention "Loom of the Land." Which is a grand enough song as done there, but the Walkabouts do *the* version of it, studio and live. Oh my goodness, is it beautiful.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Complete classic, of course. It's all about "Mutiny in Heaven," for me. Godlike.

Cave with the Bad Seeds? Also classic (although his last, NO MORE SHALL WE PART was a dire, humorless phone-in. Skip it completely.)

Alex in NYC, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The best live band I've ever seen. Cave used to do this ridiculous soft shoe shuffle followed by a big ungainly flop into the audience that was just so great. Tracy Pew invented the straight guy who looks like a butch fag look. Roland Howard was so beautiful. They looked great, they sounded great, they were the best band in the world for a few years there. I suppose in retrospect the Iggy/Beefheart/Faulkner/Beckett influences seem obvious, but so what? They were MAGNIFICENT.

I haven't really followed Cave solo enough to comment, except that I heard that they were trying to rip off "Oh Happy Day" when they came up with "Deanna".

Arthur, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic, duh. Honeymoon In Red, the jam with Lydia Lunch, Clint Ruin, and Thurston Moore, also deserves mention.

sundar subramanian, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"Fifteen Feet of Pure White Snow" from "No More Shall We Part" is a killer Nick Cave song & the video's great, too. "The Sorrowful Wife" has an utterly classic N.C. ending. NMSWP isn't a throwaway. But it does have some of his ill-advised straight balladeering ("Sweetheart Come" -- ick).

John Darnielle, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I heard that they were trying to rip off "Oh Happy Day" when they came up with "Deanna".

I think they covered Oh Happy Day as a b-side around the same time, so that's probably true. He did a great cover of Bobby Hebb's "Sonny" too.

fritz, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I heard that they were trying to rip off "Oh Happy Day" when they came up with "Deanna".
Funny, "Deanna" sounded more like "Shop Around" to me.

Both Birthday Party and solo cave are classic, though I generally prefer later solo Cave best. I always enjoy BP stuff, even though it has a cartoony feel that sometimes just bugs me. I know it's not COOL to say so, but Cave's later and more gentle stuff just seems more honest to me. I know I'm in the minority with this opinion. Oh well.

Sean Carruthers, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I've only listened to the early stuff because I suspected I would like it more; it's damn fucking good.

Kris, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The guitar squeal that opens and closes "The Friend Catcher" is one of my favorite things ever, second only to One-Tooth Wanda down at the docks.

josh, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

four months pass...
The Birhtday Party are the best damn band ever. Good rock 'n' roll is ABOUT pastiche and tipping your hat to your influences, re-interpreting them through your own soul, and this band did it better than anyone - Of course they were influenced by The Stooges; they also did early blues, a dash of Beefheart and The Pop Group and they did them all at the same time. No other band could ever have done that and sound as awesome as they did. They accidentally invented Goth and then laughed at the members of bauhaus and the sex gang children for talking about a movement. They looked like a good rock 'n' roll band should, like a street gang. I have a tape of the second gig by The Boys Next Door, and I have No More Shall We Part. Nick has constanlty developed and matured and moved on; once he was voodoo iggy, then he was undead Elvis, now he's Frank Sinatra. Lesser artists fall by the wayside because they don't have that healthy dose of self depreciating humour Nick so obviously has - have you seen the clip to '15 ft. of pure white snow'? I've been listening to Nick since I was 15. I reckon he's great. Of course I don't expect everyone to like it, but i love nick and and all his cohorts. go check out the recent solo album by Roland S. Howard, Teenage Snuff Film, for a peice of criminally unnoticed genius.

Andrew, Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
The Birthday Party are one of my favorites.

I don't get the idea that they are just Stooges obsessives. The Birthday Party's music is much more intricate than any Stooges music. They sure don't sound like Thee Hypnotics. In fact, I think they may have nicked more from the Magic Band in some of those odd aggitated tom driven rhythms than the Stooges.

The energy and chaotic vocals is at that level on some tracks, but the BP did many interesting and weird things that sounded great. Examples of such would be the layered feedback on "The Friend Catcher" or the the odd tape looped western soundtracks overdubbed (sampling before samplers) on "Zoo Music Girl" or the odd slow noir songs like "Jennifer's Veil" or "Wild World". And as said above, yes indeed they got funky for some drug addled expatriot Aussies. I also liked how they incorporated the horns and organ in some songs.

earlnash, Saturday, 15 November 2003 06:36 (seventeen years ago) link

five months pass...
Back in the accidental second goth phase, "Hits" would be the "going out" music for trip nights. "Blast Off" used to be the worst til I heard it under right circumstances--screaming over the fucking head

sexyDancer, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 23:55 (sixteen years ago) link

May as well just weigh in and say Birthday Party are absolute classic. Top five tunes? Dead Joe, Cry, Mutiny in Heaven, Big Jesus Trashcan, Nick The Stripper.


and if you can hunt down the version of Dead Joe that Nick did on his solo Australian tour a few years back, GET IT. It's great. He just pummels the piano and screams that shit.

Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 6 May 2004 01:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Top five with nothing from the Bad Seed? them's fightin' words maing. I say we drop "Cry" and bring in either "Sonny's Burning" or "Wild World."

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 6 May 2004 01:36 (sixteen years ago) link

DROP CRY? DUDE. THAT IS THE BEST MIX TAPE SONG EVER.

Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 6 May 2004 01:43 (sixteen years ago) link

(purely hyperbole on my part.)

but we can add "Wild World" and make it the top six, in no particular order.

Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 6 May 2004 01:43 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah but I was getting excited about "drop one, add one," it seems like a good drinking party game for people who don't get invited to parties but like to drink a whole lot

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 6 May 2004 01:46 (sixteen years ago) link

besides which, "Zoo Music Girl" aces out "Cry" in my book

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 6 May 2004 01:46 (sixteen years ago) link

i'd rather drop big jesus trashcan than cry.. god knows what's with my attachment to that song.

Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 6 May 2004 01:47 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't mean to ruin the game, but my five favourites, off the top of my head, are (if you don't count the Boys Next Door "Hee Haw", the track listing of which might be my favourite 5 right there)... um... "Jennifer's Veil", "Yard", "Dim Locator", "Friend Catcher" (does this count?) and, if that counts, "Riddle House". If not... um... "A Dead Song" and "Swampland".

jazz odysseus (jazz odysseus), Thursday, 6 May 2004 01:47 (sixteen years ago) link

Jennifer's Veil almost made my list.

Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 6 May 2004 01:49 (sixteen years ago) link

does shivers count?

mullygrubber (gaz), Thursday, 6 May 2004 01:50 (sixteen years ago) link

No "Hamlet (Pow, Pow, Pow)"?!?!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 01:53 (sixteen years ago) link

I like "Hamlet", too. The misanthropy of that album tends to lose me a bit, though.

jazz odysseus (jazz odysseus), Thursday, 6 May 2004 02:07 (sixteen years ago) link

"Friend Catcher" counts for sure but no pick-five Birthday Party may feature "The Dim Locator" while I yet draw breath, good sir

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 6 May 2004 02:10 (sixteen years ago) link

*lowers head sheepishly and admits it's all about Rowland*

jazz odysseus (jazz odysseus), Thursday, 6 May 2004 02:15 (sixteen years ago) link

Probably my favorite band ever, ever.. top 5? "Junkyard" "Mutiny in Heaven" "Big Jesus Trash Can" "Sonny's Burning" "Mr Clarinet" or maybe "Hamlet.." Nobody else that big on "Junkyard"? one of their best.

I kinda like some of the uh.. wackier stuff like "Capers" "Rowland Around in that Stuff" "Hats on Wrong" and "Waving My Arms" also. "Capers" has gone on many a mix tape.

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 6 May 2004 08:07 (sixteen years ago) link

The great thing about "Cry" is Rowland singing "where no fish can swim" in the background. I don't know why, it's just bizarre.

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 6 May 2004 08:09 (sixteen years ago) link

Hmm, top 5...

Jennifer's Veil
Mr. Clarinet
Friend Catcher
Wild World
Swampland

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Thursday, 6 May 2004 10:26 (sixteen years ago) link

Nobody else that big on "Junkyard"?

Junkyard changed my life, easily one of my favorite albums ever! Just don't want to over-represent it 'cause all phases of the Birthday Party are GREAT GREAT GREAT

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 6 May 2004 11:30 (sixteen years ago) link

rowland is my hero

the 'surface' 'noise' (electricsound), Thursday, 6 May 2004 11:32 (sixteen years ago) link

except for, y'know, the drugs bit

the 'surface' 'noise' (electricsound), Thursday, 6 May 2004 11:32 (sixteen years ago) link

Shotgun Wedding, Rowland's album with Lydia Lunch, is also sooo classic

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Thursday, 6 May 2004 11:41 (sixteen years ago) link

his last solo record "teenage snuff film" is pretty darn good too. the oddest thing about it is that it thanks the NME journo that subsequently gave it a crap review in said organ.

the 'surface' 'noise' (electricsound), Thursday, 6 May 2004 11:44 (sixteen years ago) link

sarah OTM re bauhaus. though zeno does have a point about humor and goth: it's too often (though not always) absent. helps if you include black humor, natch. plus the inherent comedy value of self-seriousness and extremity.

naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Thursday, 18 November 2010 00:31 (ten years ago) link

on that note, khanate as goth

naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Thursday, 18 November 2010 00:31 (ten years ago) link

humour is not meant to be diggen deep and hard to find.

Zeno, Thursday, 18 November 2010 00:32 (ten years ago) link

i dunno - i thought the lyric "o classic gentlemen with your ... fish" was pretty blatantly hilarious

sarahel, Thursday, 18 November 2010 00:34 (ten years ago) link

xp sez you! lots of things seem serious on first viewing/reading and reveal their humor only to people willing to dig deeper

cf. the entire careers of david lynch & stanley kubrick

aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 18 November 2010 00:35 (ten years ago) link

and faulkner

aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 18 November 2010 00:35 (ten years ago) link

kubrick isn't the best choice - see Dr. Strangelove (which i'm sure you have)

sarahel, Thursday, 18 November 2010 00:36 (ten years ago) link

david lynch is sometimes funny - no need to dig deeper to find that.

about goth - in the end it's a matter of taste and subjective pov i guess.

Zeno, Thursday, 18 November 2010 00:37 (ten years ago) link

no way is it subjective, goths rulin everything all day, everybody gotta realize

aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 18 November 2010 00:41 (ten years ago) link

it's sexy, thats for sure

Zeno, Thursday, 18 November 2010 00:43 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAM6I1DGPAI

ralph NAGLer (admrl), Thursday, 18 November 2010 00:52 (ten years ago) link

goth is like one of the few genres that people feel 100% comfortable describing (and dismissing) monolithically, ascribing outliers some not-of-the-genre-because-they're-good status

I was just writing about this a few days ago, trying to figure out why. A band can follow 100% of the tropes and cliches of Nuggets-style garage or 77 punk, adding nothing more, and be totally adored. But if you moan over a Roland with some phased arpeggios, everyone goes, "ugh, Goth."

I think comes down to the whole notion of "gothic". I really depends on weirdness. And you conjure any weirdness if you're following a predictable blueprint- so if a band does nothing but follow the templete, it sounds throwaway. Like slasher film set at a summer camp. The band that builds on goth gets accolades by being "goth, but then they add _____". And you could insert almost anything in that blank spot- metal, punk, techno, avant, folk.

bendy, Thursday, 18 November 2010 00:52 (ten years ago) link

I think it's because straights know goths are totes sexing it up all day everyday & it makes them jealous

aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 18 November 2010 01:17 (ten years ago) link

i guess the thing that bother me the most about Goth is the lack of humour

It is crazy that this shows up on a thread about what is one of the world's funniest bands, imo.

Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Thursday, 18 November 2010 01:20 (ten years ago) link

I remember my first roomie I had was a goth and we would just get the giggles at every fucking thing we listened to. Like I remember her putting on "Hour of the Wolf" by Christian Death and it just fucking slaying us for hours. I know this is what happens when you give 19-year-old girls marijuana but OTOH I think a lot of gothics music is secretly winking at you, is secretly-humor inducing in that it brings me a lot of giddy pleasure. Like I don't dig that it is only 0-3% funny maximum.

Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Thursday, 18 November 2010 01:24 (ten years ago) link

A band can follow 100% of the tropes and cliches of Nuggets-style garage or 77 punk, adding nothing more, and be totally adored. But if you moan over a Roland with some phased arpeggios, everyone goes, "ugh, Goth."

this is true and not true. i mean, recycled nuggets garage & 77 punk appeal almost exclusively to an audience of people specifically and often fanatically dedicated to those things (barring the circa 00's "real rock" blip). everybody else just rolls their eyes and goes "ugh, that again. snooze." same with goth. by-the-number gothmusik (of this or that stripe, as there are many subgenres) appeals to die-hards and bores everyone else.

...if a band does nothing but follow the templete, it sounds throwaway. Like slasher film set at a summer camp. The band that builds on goth gets accolades by being "goth, but then they add _____".

honestly, i think this is likewise true of most genres. you can appeal to the faithful by replicating a beloved formula, and sometimes these conservative, flame-maintaining "true cult" aesthetics briefly break out into the mainstream, but for the most part you have to do something novel with the received formula in order to appeal to a broad/non-cult audience.

naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Thursday, 18 November 2010 01:27 (ten years ago) link

abbbottt OTM. plus like not-so-secretly funny shit like alien sex fiend.

naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Thursday, 18 November 2010 01:28 (ten years ago) link

cramps may not be goth, but goths love 'em, and they're funny as hell

naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Thursday, 18 November 2010 01:29 (ten years ago) link

I saw them on a double bill with Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds on the From Her to Eternity tour

another thing about goths is they've often been around for a minute or two

aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 18 November 2010 01:31 (ten years ago) link

no way is it subjective, goths rulin everything all day, everybody gotta realize

raggett

naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Thursday, 18 November 2010 01:43 (ten years ago) link

lol, was supposed to be [/raggett] joek fail

naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Thursday, 18 November 2010 01:43 (ten years ago) link

This conversation is responsible me for me putting my Alien Sex Fiend CDs on my compy, so it's been worth it.

Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Thursday, 18 November 2010 01:44 (ten years ago) link

you know what goth band deserves more love than they currently get is sex gang children. "mauritia mayer" is awesome.

aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 18 November 2010 01:45 (ten years ago) link

otm about Alien Sex Fiend

sarahel, Thursday, 18 November 2010 02:40 (ten years ago) link

two years pass...

nick cave and rowland howard - portrait of the artist as a consumes

nostormo, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 22:26 (seven years ago) link

five months pass...

Classic...absolutely...but definitely not an easy listen!

http://devonrecordclub.com/2014/04/05/the-birthday-party-junkyard-round-64-toms-selection/

yugi ex, Saturday, 5 April 2014 21:15 (six years ago) link

Classic. Deep in the woods, six inch gold blade, "hands up who wants to die", heck, there's no BP track I don't like.

StanM, Saturday, 5 April 2014 21:21 (six years ago) link

Classic, but I have reservations of the Boys Next Door era

Not that the music is bad or anything, I just prefer to think of them coming out of nowhere and fully formed with Prayers On Fire

Howard and Pew by some distance the best part of this band

Master of Treacle, Sunday, 6 April 2014 01:15 (six years ago) link

there aren't many records with a sleeve as good as junkyard's.

sleepingsignal, Monday, 7 April 2014 08:18 (six years ago) link

If you go straight to Prayers on Fire you miss the acidic scatterfunk of the s/t/Hee Haw lp which I have always loved. THat seems more in line with what became POF anyway.
& from what I recall they were saddled with a non sympathetic producer when they cut Door Dor which was outof step with where they were when it was released anyway. Not solely because half of it was from a much earlier point in their career prior to Rowland joining if I'm remembering right.

Stevolende, Monday, 7 April 2014 12:33 (six years ago) link

I did start with Prayers on Fire and only heard scattered songs from before that. Should try to check out the earlier stuff.

curmudgeon, Monday, 7 April 2014 13:40 (six years ago) link

yeah I love the first lp. Pretty psychedelic with the screeing guitar and stuff. It was released on the Hee Haw cd which contains most o fthe material recorded around that point but I don't think has been remastered in decades.

WEird middle eastern riffs over skittering funk beats or whateveyr Calvert is playing & RSH with a tone that's half feedback and very trebly. Must have music methinks.

Stevolende, Monday, 7 April 2014 17:09 (six years ago) link

yeah there are plenty of tracks on the hee haw cd that are as essential as anything on prayers on fire.

fit and working again, Monday, 7 April 2014 17:46 (six years ago) link

two years pass...

this surfaced today, p great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM6mr_MGITw

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 December 2016 21:59 (four years ago) link

God can you even imagine

though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 29 December 2016 23:02 (four years ago) link

this is great, i saw them four weeks after this in nz

estela, Thursday, 29 December 2016 23:15 (four years ago) link

classic

a but (brimstead), Friday, 30 December 2016 00:34 (four years ago) link

Incredible!!

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 30 December 2016 00:39 (four years ago) link

gonna share the shit outta this

sleeve, Friday, 30 December 2016 01:35 (four years ago) link

!

But... how, who, why?

StanM, Friday, 30 December 2016 05:44 (four years ago) link

Right was just coming over to post that the whole concert had been upped as video and an upgraded audio
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=580228&viewcomm=7434115#comm7434115
video

and audio
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=580292

here's their versionof 6 Strings from teh concert, song only got released as a Bad Seeds bside and a n uncompleted Birthday party track on the '83 e.ps after somebdy had left the finsihed mixes on a tube train at the time they had been completed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr13LCoWOec

Stevolende, Thursday, 5 January 2017 14:07 (four years ago) link

!

But... how, who, why?

― StanM, Thursday, December 29, 2016 11:44 PM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Talking to the people in the know, First Ave had a pretty pro video/sound recording set up at time and filmed/recorded most of the gigs in the big room for closed circuit big screen projection (you can see it for a second in the BP clip). The person I know was surprised more complete shows from that era haven't turned up yet.

This show is totally awesome.

chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 5 January 2017 14:16 (four years ago) link

That is a great show.
Love Nick's Seinfeld puffy shirt.
Love Mick's brute drumming.
Rowland is, of course, on fire and unfairly beautiful.

Dan.S., Friday, 6 January 2017 23:06 (four years ago) link

Talking to the people in the know, First Ave had a pretty pro video/sound recording set up at time and filmed/recorded most of the gigs in the big room for closed circuit big screen projection (you can see it for a second in the BP clip).

― chr1sb3singer, Thursday, January 5, 2017 2:16 PM (five days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
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I don't quite get the set up on this, when I first read what you said I thought it was for showing in parts of the venue taht you can't see the stage from fully or something. I think the venue in Croydon that Sonic YOuth played at in the early 80s had a similar set up. But that was broadcasting what was happening on the stage at teh time it was happenning
But watching the thing through you can see that there have been some post production effects added. There is footage overlaying footage etc. So i would assume that that meant some editing of the tapes after teh fact wouldn't it?
So was there any plan ever to do anything with this footage?

I don't remember seeing much being done by the ex-memebers of teh band since I thought they got their rights backk. There was teh Live 81-82 lp and I think vinyl with free cd versions fo at least junkyard. Not sure if taht was actually from the band though.
Somebody said to me that it was a shame that the full length footage from the Brixton Ace hadn't been compiled somewhere. The 3 tracks that were on channel 4 originally and are now on the Pleasure Heads Must Burn dvd are awesome enough in themselves, if there is another half hour or whatever of taht stuff it would be great if they would officially release it.
Would be good if they did taht with this and any other footage too.

This show illustrates why not to lend Nick a jacket. I think he goes onstage with the suit jacket intact, within the first few tracks it's split at the armpit seam.
I think Ian Johnson says something in Bad Seed along the lines of people getting misshapen jackets back after lending them to him.

& Cave doesn't seem to have the greatest sense of balance. Can't get through a song without falling over tehn writhing around on the stage. & squatting in a near foetal position probably isn't the greatest position to sing from either is it? Don't think Tona De Brett would encourage it.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 10:42 (four years ago) link

four years pass...

The Clinton Walker book Stranded which cover s teh Birthday Party, Moodists , Scientists etc etc i.e. the Australian turn of the 80s is reissued next week on February 26th according to Book Depository.
Been hoping to get to read that for the last decade possibly 2. & probably longer since I don't think I was actually aware of it per se but would have loved a book covering that area for another couple decades before that.

Stevolende, Thursday, 18 February 2021 14:37 (two weeks ago) link

Revised and expanded I see .

curmudgeon, Thursday, 18 February 2021 16:54 (two weeks ago) link

https://rhythms.com.au/clinton-walkers-stranded-gets-reboot/

curmudgeon, Thursday, 18 February 2021 17:07 (two weeks ago) link


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