New Order:Sublime or Ridiculous?

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tell me should i give them a go?

young girl, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

why can't they be both?

jess, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

sublime: POWER CORRUPTION & LIES, LOW-LIFE, TECHNIQUE, SUBSTANCE (which, admittedly, is a collection of earlier singles), "Touched by the Hand of God."

ridiculous: REPUBLIC, MOVEMENT

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes. Go on a drive, and listen to LOW-LIFE...and nice, mellow drive.

Gage-o, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

of course they can be both jess, but i don`t know enough about them to know either way...

young girl, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw them last year and wasn't expecting much but was pleasantly surprised - they were ace

leigh, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

okay, okay all cheekiness aside, search: all. (alex is smoking crack rock about "republic" which contains at least four sublime singles/songs.)

i know we've done new order before, but without dredging up the old thread, i'd just like to say that i've changed my mind and consider them to be better than joy division. (this opinion to change, without notice, and then again, in perpetutity, throughout the universe.)

jess, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

FUCKING COMPLETELY UTTERLY TOTALLY GODLIKE.

Apologies if I did not make this clear enough. There are threads about 'em around here somewhere.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

but start with substance and if yr not feeling that, they're probably not for you.

jess, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

ow, ned.

jess, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Great band, though I rank proto-New Order higher. A band which still sounds very good after more than twenty years. "Get Ready", their latest is one of their best albums. They are neither sublime nor ridiculous. Just one of the best dancepop bands around.

alex in mainhattan, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i know a few of their songs..blue monday and the world cup one in particular but don`t really like them to be honest..how representative are they of the band`s sound? and does the 80s stuff sound dated..i only ask cos i don`t want to shell out on something that sounds naff and hackneyed ala blue monday..

young girl, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, you mean that Orgy song? God, yeah, that sucks.

Clarke B., Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyone dissing Movement gets fist in face. It is stunning. I know it's their "difficult" album, and they claim not to like it themselves, but some of the electro beats on it are overwhelmingly superb. Brotherhood the best. Power Corruption and lies = largely rubbidge.

Answer: please do try.

Alan Trewartha, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

clarke, is that a nu metal cover? i think i read about that somewhere..hopefully i`ll never have the misfortune of hearing it.

young girl, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Has anyone got that Blue Order a "trance tribute album"? It sounds like it could be awful, but you never know...

Alan Trewartha, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd stay away from 'Substance' - unless you're into late 80's infinity mixes... Seek "Power, Corruption & Lies" or "Low Life" - the two most tolerable to a newcomer.

Dave225, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

New Order is ridiculously naive and sublime at the same time, down to so many details: basslines, rhythms, arrangements, lyrics, above all Bernard Sumner's singing, altho anyplace Bernard emits that half-stifled falsetto cry he introduced on "Age of Consent" and really overdid on Brotherhood # sublime

Curt, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

naive? do you mean crude or childlike? or something altogether different?

young girl, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

A couple of threads already running about New Order:

New Order Substance album R rubbish, and

New Order: Search and Destroy

N., Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I must be the atypical New Order fan; I love them to death, but I think their best albums are _Movement_ and _Get Ready_ AND the _Substance_ versions "The Perfect Kiss" and "Subculture" are vastly superior to the _Low-Life_ versions. Search: _Movement_, _Get Ready_, _Substance_ (especially disc 2), first half of _Low-Life_.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

naive? do you mean crude or childlike?

Yes, but maybe I should have written naively ridiculous, as opposed to "naive to a ridiculous degree".

Curt, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

/rant

Ned is correct. Even their lowest moments have greatness (note "Regret" from _Republic_ - one of the best opening numbers EVAH. Of course the lyrics are largely hogwash, which has been a subject of discussion among my friends for a long time: we figure Barney knows he used to work with one of the great rock lyricists of all time and reasons that there's no point in even trying if you haven't actually got the genuine goods. Occasional exceptions to the rule only point up just how weak most of N.O.'s lyrics are.

Which does not detract even a whit from their total, total, total, total greatness. Everything's worth getting, and if you can get somebody to burn you all the good stuff from the Electronic records, that's worth it two -- "For You" from _Raise the Pressure_: Johnny Marr's single best post-Smiths moment.

/rant

John Darnielle, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

umm..."worth it, too," I mean. Yeesh.

John Darnielle, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

John - weak lyrics? But they're part of what makes NO great and somehow *perfect*. Much debate among MY friends also. More Curtisian angst would have been absurd from PC+L onwards.

Dr. C, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"Regret" from _Republic_ - one of the best opening numbers EVAH. Of course the lyrics are largely hogwash

Oh, likely enough. But even The Great AntiLyricist that is me has all the time in the world for:

"Just wait till tomorrow...I guess that's what they all say...Just before they fall apart."

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i think if we were to look at the climate in which joy division had its roots compared to the climate in which new order grew and flourished, barney's lyrics make more sense. i'm not saying he wrote better than ian, but in the eighties it just wasn't kosher to write songs like 'isolation' or 'ice age'. too depressing for a bunch of people who just wanted to get out on the dancefloor.

i often love the intentional triteness of barney's lyrics, i think there's a strong sense of irony there ... he knows what he's saying is naive but here's a man who has obviously been through enough to know what's what. that naivete for me actually gives his lyrics a hard edge ... it's unusual. i think part of it may be also a conscious choice to force himself to not continually tread the path of his lyrical predecessor.

fields of salmon, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Help help!

This Movement apologist is aboot to obtain a region-free DVD player. Is the New Order Live DVD worth it?

Tks in adv.

Andy K, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

young girl, i really do recommend that you give new order a shot. perhaps the best approach would be to download the 10 most popular NO tracks from audiogalaxy just to familiarise yourself with their quirks. as for the band`s sound, it is quite varied, BM in particular is certainly not that representative, so if u don`t dig it all is not lost. what i will warn you about is sumner`s vocals, i`m sure they`ve put off many a newcomer to the band. once bernard started to take singing lessons in the mid-80s things did start to improve, but the first few albums do suffer from some rather ragged, off-key, justplaincrap vocal performances.

nelly, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Ned, I am the agreeable sidekick you never had (or vice versa?). I absolutely love that line and how it ends the song.

Vinnie, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

If "Blue Monday" sounds "naff and hackneyed," that's only because a lot of people loved it so much they tried to do the same thing later on.

I agree that _Substance_ is really the starting point of choice (even now I'm getting the shivers thinking of "Everything's Gone Green" and that miraculous opening that veers off in a completely different direction six bars into the song).

I also wonder why there wasn't ever a "Substance II": let's see, "Touched by the Hand of God," "Fine Time," "Round & Round," "Run 2," "World in Motion," "Regret," "Ruined In A Day," "World," "Spooky," throw in "Crystal" and the single version of "1963" and maybe even "Blue Monday '88" and you'd have something way better than that dodgy best-of. Of course, 20 years from now when Rhino puts it together they'll probably add "Getting Away With It" and "Tasty Fish" and I won't mind a bit.

Douglas, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Young girl, I know you've had tons of recommendations, but I think starting with 'Technique' might be wise. It doesn't sound quite as dated as some of their other stuff, and every song on there is great.

Clarke B., Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"Getting Away With It" is perfect perfect perfect. bliss in fact.

PreviousSteve, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Douglas - there was supposed to be a box-set on the way. A companion piece to JD's 'Heart and Soul', but it got shelved IIRC.

Dr. C, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I think the box set was postponed when they discovered they were writing new material rather than compiling a retrospective. now that Get Ready is out of the way (last single off it only a couple of months ago) we may yet see it. perhaps this year.

Alan Trewartha, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Douglas Apart from Dead or Alive and a few hi nrg tracks from the mid 80s can`t think of anyone who tried to copy Blue Monday. That whole "Blue monday=seminal dance record" music press thang always struck me as a bit of a myth. It seems to me that very few acts actually cite that record as an influence except for maybe the Chemical Brothers or Paul van Dyke and what`s more it wasn`t particularly innovative..clearly just a Moroder rip off in the first place. Records like "Fascist Groove Thang" and Yazoos "Don`t Go" were better and now unfortunately overlooked. Does anyone think they can justify the Blue Monday myth without saying it sounds great in a club; frankly it does, but there has to be more to the argument.

Marty, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Divine ripped it off too o course. The Pet Shop Boys always say they cursed/blessed Blue Monday when it came out too. You could even argue that the Cure's The Forest was a misguided attempt.

But on the whole you are right, not as influential as people write/say. esp as the hi-nrg stuff that BM rips off was already out there, just less popular.

Alan Trewartha, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Attitude wise Blue Monday was important because it was an indie act saying "Yes dance music is crucial". Indie acts had done this before and would again but rarely with quite the same impact. In other words its importance was not really to the 'dance' genre, or perhaps its importance is overrated because it's written about from an indie perspective. I wasnt listening at the time so this is guesswork!

Tom, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

You could even argue that the Cure's The Forest was a misguided attempt.

Most prescient of Robert, then, since that came out two, three years previously to "Blue Monday." Further proof of the Cure's genius!

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm almost 100% positive that Alan meant to say "The Walk" instead of "A Forest". I always understood that that was supposed to be a rip-off of Japan, though. (Having never heard Japan, I can't really confirm or deny.)

Dan Perry, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Tom is right. Immediately on release it certainly polarized opinion among NO fans. Some people I knew wanted more Movement/Ceremony/Procession type stuff and considered BM as a sell- out. I know some who were so deeply grimcore that they regarded Everything's Gone Green as an unwelcome direction. It was the first NO track featuring a sequencer.

Dr. C, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I can see why BM has great significance from an indie perspective, in helping to introduce indie kids to electro etc. And certainly a crossover record such as BM (though I doubt it was intended as such) can be as important as something truly ground-breaking-never-before- heard. But BM isn`t just feted in indie circles, in fact its the dance music press which has exalted it; didn`t the band recently win a Muzik award largely on the back of that record? I do think New Order are an important band mind, very important in fact, but not a straight dancefloor-busting choons kind of way.

Marty, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I think if "Confusion" was New Order's biggest single their relevance to dance culture would be a lot more clear cut.

Also: let it be noted that The Cure (who I nonetheless love) were anything but forerunners to NO. In fact The Cure's doom throughout the eighties was to always be about two years behind the Joy Division/New Order axis.

Tim, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

New Order and The Cure sound nothing like each other and never did.

Dan Perry, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I think if "Confusion" was New Order's biggest single their relevance to dance culture would be a lot more clear cut.

Tim, could you expand on this...

Marty, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

What about "A forest" and "sunrise", they sound pretty damn similar.. I can think of a few others too, its mainly down to the bass playing really.

Marty, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Even if I bought that parallel (which I don't) "A Forest" came out in 1980 and "Sunrise" came out in 1985.

Dan Perry, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

What about "A forest" and "sunrise", they sound pretty damn similar..

YES THEY DO. Give in, Dan, give in. 1985 was the switchoff year. "Sunrise" -- Cure tribute. "Inbetween Days" -- New Order tribute. HA!

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Dan I think there was a more of a mutual exchange/sharing of ideas then a straight one ripping off the other situation. Although one could argue that "A Forest" was the Cure`s (more polished) take on the Joy Division sound.

Marty, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I would argue that "A Forest" was the Cure`s (more rubbish) take on the Joy Division sound.

DG, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

New Order are so good musically it doesn't make the slightest difference to me what lyrics Bernie comes up with. If there are New Order songs/albums I don't like as much as others, it's not because of the lyrics, it's because of something else. With New Order, you're just going to get bad lyrics here and there - it comes with the package.

I recall Bernard saying he was having trouble with the lyrics for the new album, so, I have no reason to believe anything will change in that respect. Don't like it? Too bad. That's New Order.

Bimble (bimble), Sunday, 1 August 2004 21:22 (fifteen years ago) link

royxmuzak: I'd be worried if you didn't look so sweet in your band photo;)

sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 1 August 2004 21:41 (fifteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
(Haw, I've just now seen that, Sundar.)

Anyone else going to see them in Hyde Park? Anyone else already seen them this year/seeing them somewhere else?

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 8 April 2005 19:44 (fifteen years ago) link

The Japanese version of Krafty is superbly ridiculous!

mike h. (mike h.), Friday, 8 April 2005 20:21 (fifteen years ago) link

Ok, anyone seen them ever?

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 19:10 (fifteen years ago) link

I did in '85, '86 and '87. They sucked in '87 only. Gave up on them after Republic though I still love their ridiculously sublime earier stuff.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 20:02 (fifteen years ago) link

The live '93 version of "As It Is When It Was" on the box set is worth the price of the set alone. I believe Hooky when he admits that, when mixing the live tapes, he cried remembering how good they were that summer.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 20:12 (fifteen years ago) link

Is that on the Retro box set?

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 14 April 2005 12:59 (fifteen years ago) link

yuppers.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:48 (fifteen years ago) link

three months pass...

Anyone else already seen them this year/seeing them somewhere else?

Saw them for the first time last weekend at the Fuji Rock Festival. It was worth every minute of the 15 year wait. They did Krafty in Japanese on MTV Japan and then repeated the feat in front of 20 000 people later that evening. The set-list was very well balanced and also included 4 Joy Division songs. I don't know what else can be said about these guys, but I love the hell out of them.

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Monday, 8 August 2005 05:41 (fourteen years ago) link

They did Krafty in Japanese

!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 August 2005 05:45 (fourteen years ago) link

They even put the words up on the big screens so the crowd could sing along. Barney's pronunciation was surprisingly good. Those in attendance were duly impressed.

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Monday, 8 August 2005 05:55 (fourteen years ago) link

The Japanese version of "Krafty" is on the US itunes store now, btw. I can't find it on Soulseek.

Telephonething (Telephonething), Monday, 8 August 2005 05:58 (fourteen years ago) link

http://s42.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3OYEBOKL1KI7Z365CSMF0U0US6

mike h. (mike h.), Monday, 8 August 2005 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Awesome. Thanks Mike.

Telephonething (Telephonething), Monday, 8 August 2005 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
So thanks to a tip-off from a friend I was able to download and enjoy this show:

22 JUN 82 Rollingstone - Milan, Italy 60

Truth, Dreams Never End, Chosen Time, ICB, Leave Me Alone, Denial,
Procession, 586, Temptation, Everything's Gone Green, When I'm With You

Some absolutely brutal performances of Movement-era stuff -- and it's all topped off with a performance of Sparks' "When I'm With You!" What a band.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 18 March 2006 21:06 (fourteen years ago) link

(And said Sparks cover -- apparently the only time ever they did it, and definitely nowhere near as polished as the original -- is amazing. They completely New Orderize the song, and it balances on the verge of suddenly collapsing and coming back together just so -- Bernard goes 'this is why we don't do encores, this is a bad idea!' at one point, and yet somehow it still works.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 18 March 2006 21:29 (fourteen years ago) link

I know it's shallow to be like this, but the level of we're-not-worthy idol-worship that's been attached to New Order in recent years has been really fucking offputting - people start to sound like fuckin' Beatles fanatics

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Saturday, 18 March 2006 21:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Kill me if I ever get THAT bad. (My first post upthread notwithstanding.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 18 March 2006 21:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, New Order aren't very good. They had 3 interesting albums in the 1980s, and ever since then they've sounded like a luke warm cup of tea. And the lyrics...oh boy. I'd give them a *ridiculous", but it's been 15 years since I imagine they provoked a feeling that strong in anyone.

paulhw (paulhw), Saturday, 18 March 2006 23:24 (fourteen years ago) link

"in anyone."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 19 March 2006 00:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Someone complaining about NO lyrics = Someone complaining about hip-hop misogyny.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 19 March 2006 00:20 (fourteen years ago) link

Could somebody please repost that Japanese version of Krafty?

Le Baaderonixx de Benedict Canyon (baaderonixx), Sunday, 19 March 2006 00:21 (fourteen years ago) link

Someone complaining about NO lyrics = Someone complaining about hip-hop misogyny

this comparison doesn't really hold water, unless you're seriously wanting to equate formal objections (NO) with objections to content (misogyny)

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Sunday, 19 March 2006 00:49 (fourteen years ago) link

NO lyrics = dumb
hip-hop misogyny = dumb

there.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Formal objections ARE content objections, sez this devoted neo-formalist.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:17 (fourteen years ago) link

right, but in the former case dumb carries no moral weight of any kind, unless one wants to argue that aesthetic offenses are immoral (in which case one must hie with all due speed to the late nineteenth century & stay there); in the latter, people aren't bitching about how poorly the misogynistic lyrics are written - to the contrary, really

I dunno, I just object strenuously to the notion that bitching about misogyny in any lyrics, hip-hop or otherwise, is somehow misguided - whereas the case against bitching about New Order lyrics is rather clearer: they obviously don't mean anything, you can just ignore them, even if you don't ignore them they're not likely to do much, textually

I do understand that this is a pointless argument, don't get me wrong, I just hate it when people wanna equate saying nothing in particular with saying (say) that it's cool to treat women like shit

x-post Alfred you'll go a long ways to find a more devoted formalist than me, but to conflate/equate form & content doesn't relieve content of its various burdens

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:22 (fourteen years ago) link

(nb my "former case/latter case" refers to J.D.'s explanation)

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:22 (fourteen years ago) link

But if I was feeling sinister I could argue that NO's lyrics trivialize the complexity of love as much as hip-hop lyrics do.

Fine. I retract my analogy. I was playing devil's advocate, in part because it's so tiresome to read bitching about NO's lyrics in 2006.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 19 March 2006 03:29 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Anyone still have the Japanese version of Krafty?

roxymuzak, Monday, 26 November 2007 05:58 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

They always sound a little unfamiliar, like I'm listening to them for the first time. I think I've put off listening to them in the past because I want to preserve the newness of the songs and the feeling they give me (when I hear them, my stomach knots up -- I don't want that to go away).

these two sentences are kind of perfect. i am going to use them as my excuse for never remembering what any individual new order song is called.

king lame (c sharp major), Saturday, 24 January 2009 16:13 (eleven years ago) link

ridiculous: REPUBLIC, MOVEMENT

Cripes, did I really suggest that Movement is ridiculous? I should be flogged for that.

Alex in NYC, Saturday, 24 January 2009 16:36 (eleven years ago) link

Milan show Ned mentions ^^^ is crazy. Some aggressive presentations of Movement songs - Lots of echoes, kinda dubby in parts. One of my favorite live bootlegs ever.

Capitaine Jay Vee, Saturday, 24 January 2009 16:47 (eleven years ago) link

Haha, Alex, this is the second time you've apologized for that on this thread!

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 January 2009 16:58 (eleven years ago) link

Movement is great, Republic is even better.

No, I'm serious.

ilxor, Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:13 (eleven years ago) link

One forgets these things as one ages, alas.

Alex in NYC, Saturday, 24 January 2009 20:14 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

A google image search for "new order" "gay sperm" is pretty OTM.

David Allah Coal (sexyDancer), Friday, 17 September 2010 14:54 (nine years ago) link

Two Lone Swordsmen named one of their tracks after that famous bass cabinet phrase.

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 17 September 2010 15:12 (nine years ago) link

eleven months pass...

what the hell: New Order gigs this Fall, w/o Peter Hook?!?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/news/20110905_neworder.shtml

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 5 September 2011 14:58 (eight years ago) link

well, for a good cause, so that's nice, and nice the gillian is back too.

akm, Monday, 5 September 2011 15:18 (eight years ago) link

playing right here in Brussels - so might be my chance to finally see these guys live.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 5 September 2011 15:29 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

The reunited New Order — Bernard Sumner, Stephen Morris and Gillian Gilbert — also released a video statement promoting the sale of the posters, which you can watch below. They do not, however, respond to their surly former bandmate Peter Hook’s recent accusations that they’re actually reuniting for profit and have a future U.S. tour in the works.

...because of course Hook's tour is about charity.

Anyway I presume Spencer has already ordered both of those posters.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 18:32 (eight years ago) link

You know, it's odd that the last couple of chapters of New Order live have largely been Gillian-free. And then Hook is out and suddenly Gillian reappears. Hmmm....

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 18:35 (eight years ago) link

Surely they've been seen in the same room before...

Franz Kappa (S-), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 18:53 (eight years ago) link

I think I meant maybe more that they really didn't like each other?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 17:08 (eight years ago) link

...because of course Hook's tour is about charity.

Because of course Hook has claimed that he's only playing two gigs and they're just for charity, and not openly said at every stage that he's doing it to earn a living.

three years pass...

Stephen Morris ranks the New Order discography...

http://noisey.vice.com/blog/new-order-rank-your-records

Turrican, Friday, 4 September 2015 03:23 (four years ago) link

four years pass...

Isolation pic.twitter.com/PJlcHVawvJ

— Paul Quarantine Duane (@MrPaulDuane) May 19, 2020


lol!

calzino, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 10:53 (two weeks ago) link

answer to thread q is clearly “yes”

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 12:51 (two weeks ago) link


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