Eric Dolphy

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discuss this too short-lived jazz master

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 14 July 2005 23:30 (fourteen years ago) link

buy everything you see with his name on it.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 14 July 2005 23:34 (fourteen years ago) link

haha even the record with the parrot?!?!????!?

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 14 July 2005 23:38 (fourteen years ago) link

the only person i listen to more than dolphy is lee morgan. i love it all. live. studio. anything.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 14 July 2005 23:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Scott can you be bothered explaining why you like Dolphy so much to someone who doesn't-really-like-most-jazz and is probably not going to follow up your comments by listening again to anything he has already heard, but who finds Dolphy's playing so incomprehensible and unpleasant (especially on his own projects) that he wonders what it is people are hearing?

(Have you heard the one with the Latin Jazz Q[something]tet? I do still want to hear that one.)

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 14 July 2005 23:45 (fourteen years ago) link

today i procured a copy of Out There, along with some Mingus stuff and a Max Eider LP. all it cost me was some lcd soundsystem type crap in trade.

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 14 July 2005 23:47 (fourteen years ago) link

i second th dolphy addiction...blame it on my cokehead parents

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Thursday, 14 July 2005 23:48 (fourteen years ago) link

I remember first listening to a lot of Dolphy in sophomore year of high school (gear secret: i listened to nothing but '60s jazz for one year in high school) and probably not "getting it" at the time, it being a little "out there" for my tastes (rofl). But now I've been getting into him heavily.

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 14 July 2005 23:51 (fourteen years ago) link

he infuriates the bourgeois: http://www.bluenote.com/detail.asp?SelectionID=9423

vahid (vahid), Friday, 15 July 2005 00:00 (fourteen years ago) link


Reviewer: Tadmor Von Butterpie from London, Eng.
My dog loves jazz but he leaves the room anytime I play this CD. It must be pretty awful because my dog (A Maltese) really loves to hang out and listen to jazz. It isn't my favorite music either, but I believe animals are non-biased against anything except cats. Blue note was just trying to "Stay with the new trends" when this thing was produced. I don't blame anyone, because jazz was slowly dying when this was made. It was a mistake.


Reviewer: Monty Hamilton - alto sax musician from Ft Lauderdale Fl.
This is some really challenging music, and it would be best if you were alone when you played it. I would never put something like this on in mixed company because only 1 person in maybe 100 is going to tolerate the awful note progression. This may be the worst jazz recording ever made. I like jazz because it relaxes me. Ornette Colman and Eric Dolphy make me nervous. I suspect they were both stoned much of the time. Charles Mingus also recorded some really unfriendly stuff, but this is just rude.


Reviewer: Neil from Northampton, Massachusetts
I'm a big Mingus fan and love Dolphy's work with him. I find this CD unlistenable. I'm not a fan of free jazz, but compared to this Ornette Coleman sounds like a Strauss waltz.

Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 15 July 2005 00:03 (fourteen years ago) link

THIS IS JUST PLAIN RUDE, FOLKS

Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 15 July 2005 00:04 (fourteen years ago) link

the huffy pro-dolphy contingent is just as funny...


Reviewer: twocentsworth from nowhere really
Just another listener was shot out of the saddle once again. It seems he doesn't know a bra from a jock strap, and he doesn't know music from horse manure. My vote is for little old lady, the 19 year old chick from D-troit. Take a hike, tin eared, just another fruitcake Bruce. Nobody likes ya and nobody wants to listen to ya. Go pound yer worm.

vahid (vahid), Friday, 15 July 2005 00:07 (fourteen years ago) link

i think this guy posts on dissensus

Believe it or not, Jesus loves Eric Dolphy.
Reviewer: Karl A.D. Evangelista from
You will forgive my facetiousness… I simply find it regrettable that the defamation campaign against the so-called jazz “avant-garde” has dissolved into such extremes of vulgarity. Truthfully, it is a sensitive debate, and both factions can be faulted their fanatics, that air of ideological swagger that—in the best circumstances—is an indication of sheer, unadulterated love. But I have read it here… I have seen the institutions of civility, integrity and class ripped from their foundations and sent tumbling down a cliff to an uncertain, unfortunate demise. For shame. “Out to Lunch” is many things to many people—an intoxicating, thrilling experience to some, a disastrous, train wreck of an experiment to others. Regardless, it was conceived of pure intentions and is, if anything, a testament to the stubborn, reckless courage of a true jazz original. Thank you, Eric Dolphy, for attempting to tilt the scales, subvert the dominant paradigm… successful or not. Keep it civil, and keep it real. Hell, even the critics could fake it.

vahid (vahid), Friday, 15 July 2005 00:08 (fourteen years ago) link

haha

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 15 July 2005 00:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Out to Lunch is sheer genius, period. There's nothing else like it in the whole canon. Those first few bars of Dolphy's solo in "Hat and Beard", where the whole band seems to just collapse into different directions but at the same time keep it together, is one of the greatest moments in all of jazz.

Keith C (kcraw916), Friday, 15 July 2005 00:43 (fourteen years ago) link

This thread made me whistle "Jitterbug Waltz" at all my pets. (They ran away.)

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Friday, 15 July 2005 02:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Out to Lunch is a fantastic record, but I'm not a huge Dolphy guy -- he relies on the same tricks too much. I like his stuff with Chico Hamilton.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 15 July 2005 02:27 (fourteen years ago) link

you need to get Mingus at Antibes and put on Wednesday Night Prayer Meeting (?). if that ain't the greatest thing ever, the shit done wore off.

yuengling participle (rotten03), Friday, 15 July 2005 03:57 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm just not too fond of the stuff with Booker Little, the Five Spot, etc. It just sounds like hard bop with a little extra hot sauce.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 15 July 2005 04:04 (fourteen years ago) link

A GOD.

One of the best ever. Multi-instrumentalism. BASS CLARINET.

GOD BLESS THE CHILD.

COLTRANE QUINTET in EUROPE.

That covers most of it.

But yeah. A GOD.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 15 July 2005 04:13 (fourteen years ago) link

mingus presents mingus

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 15 July 2005 04:20 (fourteen years ago) link

mully too otm to go without my buying him a couple of rounds for too long.

"Why are they so sick and ridiculous, Dannie?!"

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Friday, 15 July 2005 04:48 (fourteen years ago) link

That first sentence should be as clearly stated as Mingus'.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Friday, 15 July 2005 05:11 (fourteen years ago) link

rickey you can buy me a drink anytime - but no clinking glasses k?

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 15 July 2005 07:34 (fourteen years ago) link

I said my piece about Eric D here (but thanks to crap Blogger archiving you'll have to scroll an awful long way down).

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 15 July 2005 07:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Whenever I used to go to lunch in the old office i used to work in I used to prop up the CD of "Out to Lunch" on my PC, thus indicating that I was out to lunch and ludicrously hip and groovy at the same time.

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 15 July 2005 08:18 (fourteen years ago) link

Out To Lunch and Mingus at Antibes seconded.

don't miss Outward Bound either.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Friday, 15 July 2005 10:09 (fourteen years ago) link

C just for "When you hear music, after it's over, it's gone in the air. You can never recapture it again."

marc h. (marc h.), Friday, 15 July 2005 10:37 (fourteen years ago) link

He's great on Blues and the Abstract Truth too. For a somewhat straight-ahead album, his solos stand out by having this off-kilter (I'm not going to say 'angular') sense to them. He keeps it tuneful and swinging enough to fit into the mold of the record, but his solos are also weird enough to keep it interesting.

Keith C (kcraw916), Friday, 15 July 2005 11:32 (fourteen years ago) link

I love it when he hits that flute in Stolen Moments. On a slight tangent, I have lately been hooked on an MP3 I got of Mark Murphy singing that song.

For some reason my favorite Dolphy-related record this past year has been George Russell's Ezz-Thetics. There was a period where it seemed like every new record I bought turned out (to my surprise) to have Dolphy as a sideman. It put a big grin on my face every time.

Does anyone have the Dolphy boxset? It's been on my wantlist for a few years, but never quite get it together to buy that one. Incidentally, the same is true for Ellington's At Newport '56, which isn't remotely near as expensive; I'm just a sucker for buying a bunch of cheap CDs instead of single big collections.

Lots of people who come to jazz from rock seem to get hooked on Dolphy pretty early. It's like he and Roland Kirk has some odd hook on us (of course, Kirk has the big, familiar blues thing + the rock'n'roll wildness, while Dolphy has the energy, and rock-types seem to veer towards the free jazz stuff anyways)

Øystein (Øystein), Friday, 15 July 2005 11:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Yep, (we) rock fans do tend to gravitate towards Dolphy early - he had a real rock 'n roll spirit and a kind of freewheeling humour in his playing, unlike his completely humourless friend and collaborator John Coltrane. (Whom I also worship - that wasn't a dis.) It's a cliché to blather on about Dolphy's speech-like phrasing, but that's exactly what it WAS, of course. Just listen to that famous "argument" with Charlie Mingus in "What Love" on Mingus Presents Mingus. (And listen real close to the "Antibes" live version to hear Mingus tell some rude French heckler "You can go fuck y'self!" during Eric's solo!)

Another one I like: Andrew Hill's Point Of Departure.

Another

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 15 July 2005 12:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Re: the Oliver Nelson album his solos are also weird enough to keep it interesting.

I agree. This is the same with the Booker Little material as well. I understand how it can sound pretty tame ("hard bop with more hot sauce," I like it) but those records are amazing. Both Booker Little and Dolphy are such distinct voices. Dolphy may use the same tricks but they're good tricks, and he doesn't approach a song or a solo like anyone else.

When I was in college, I met a guy who had no jazz at all in his collection (he listened to Phish and stuff) except for the Eric Dolphy box set, which he wanted to talk about for days and days. So Oystein you are on to something. Also, Ellington Newport '56 you can find on vinyl for a few bucks pretty easily.

mcd (mcd), Friday, 15 July 2005 12:58 (fourteen years ago) link

I haven't listened to Dolphy for awhile and I wouldn't say he's one of my all-time faves, but this thread makes me realize that I do love a lot of his recordings -- Mingus at Antibes, Out to Lunch, Blues & the Abstract Truth, and the Coltrane Village Vanguard stuff.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 15 July 2005 13:03 (fourteen years ago) link

'Meditations on Integration': celestial*~

B Nasty (B Nasty), Saturday, 16 July 2005 17:32 (fourteen years ago) link

These days he does more rapping under the psuedonym pastor troy:
http://www.nextdoormusic.com/IMAGES/Coverart/PastorTroy2.jpg
http://www.adriandenning.co.uk/pictures/dolphy.jpg

deej.., Saturday, 16 July 2005 18:14 (fourteen years ago) link

"and rock-types seem to veer towards the free jazz stuff anyways)"

sun ra would be the king of this, no? people with 4000 rock CDs and 40 sun ra CDs. and pharoah sanders too, probably.

a little-known fun-fact about me: i listen to almost NO free jazz. maybe in my old age. i listen to jazz from the 20s to the 50s and then i mostly skip to the 70s.and not the atonal 70's. not to say that there aren't a ton of jazz records that i like from the 60's, but most of them wouldn't be considered free jazz. i'll get to it all eventually, but there is so much from the 40s/50s that i haven't heard yet. and that's the stuff that really dig. when i've heard every hampton hawes record then maybe i'll get to cecil taylor.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 16 July 2005 20:01 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

There's also a ridiculously lively Dolphy - Mingus duologue on Mingus in Europe ...whether on Vol.1 or Vol.2, tho, me donts remember any more, alas :/

t**t, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 14:32 (thirteen years ago) link

good lord i love eric dolphy. "hat and beard"!

strongohulkington, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link

I'll raise my hand as another rock guy who fell head-over-heels for Dolphy the minute I heard him. (No homo.)

Still my favorite jazz soloist, especially in contexts like the Mingus stuff or Ole! where he has a strong foil.

Jon Lewis, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:07 (thirteen years ago) link

booker little is a totally underrated trumpet player btw who died at the age of 23

deej, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link

Love the vol.1 and 2 Dolphy/Little 5 Spot albums! Little's playing is awesome on there. Have the vol.3 which is actually titled something like Booker Little Memorial Album, but haven't warmed to that one yet.

Jon Lewis, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link

S: Charles Mingus, The Great concert of Charles Mingus

D: Fuckers who let him die without treatment cause they thought he was overdosing.

Oilyrags, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link

So glad I got Out to Lunch in the Tower implosion. Long overdue.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, Dolphy's circumstance of death is still teeth-grindingly maddening today.

Jon Lewis, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link

I read somewhere recently that in his last days he was basically living on honey and weed. What a waste.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 16:00 (thirteen years ago) link

That doesn't sound like good fare for a diabetic. Well, the honey anyhow. Don't know about the weed.

Jon Lewis, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 16:16 (thirteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

Don't know if you guys can see that, but it was supposed to be the cover of Ron Carter's Where?, on which Dolphy plays real goodly.

I heard Out to Lunch for the first time last Spring and was disappointed to find it didn't really do anything for me, but I'm loving the shit out of his playing on this. Maybe I'll give it another shot.

Loving the sound of the bass clarinet!

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 3 February 2008 06:15 (twelve years ago) link

one of my favorite pieces of music film. dolphy's gotta be, what, a few months from death there?

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 3 February 2008 06:24 (twelve years ago) link

speaking of "Free Jazz," nobody has mentioned Free Jazz: A Collective Improvisation By The Ornette Coleman Double Quartet

I haven't heard a ton of Dolphy, but love everything I've heard. Ingenuity, Integrity, Soul.

nicky lo-fi, Tuesday, 5 February 2008 09:34 (twelve years ago) link

Brian Case once (approvingly) described Dolphy's bass clarinet as "snorting like a happy hippo" which I think entirely apt.

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 5 February 2008 09:47 (twelve years ago) link

I attended a Cecil Taylor workshop a year or two ago where he talked about the sole time he played with Dolphy, in a loft on 14th street. CT admitted that he was not able to figure out what Dolphy was doing, and therefore not able to play with him effectively.

Usual Channels, Tuesday, 5 February 2008 14:55 (twelve years ago) link

...This confounded me and my expectations.

Usual Channels, Tuesday, 5 February 2008 14:57 (twelve years ago) link

In a way, I can see what Cecil means. Dolphy often made big harmonic/melodic leaps, whereas someone like Jimmy Lyons stayed within certain harmonic regions for longer periods.

Sara Sara Sara, Tuesday, 5 February 2008 16:04 (twelve years ago) link

I agree with you, Sarax3, considering Lyons plus some of CT's other reed-playing sidemen of the era. Lyons was definitely of a Charlie Parker mold, Shepp was awfully blues-based, and Ayler, though clearly steeped in his own conception, didn't exactly have an impenetrable system.

It makes sense that two artists with such developed and unique methods of playing and composing may have trouble being compatible.

Still, when I think of the skill, imagination, and vitality of both artists, I easily imagine them finding common ground. (Hence, the confounding...)

Usual Channels, Tuesday, 5 February 2008 23:16 (twelve years ago) link

Curious how Dolphy seemed to fit into the music of that other renegade/revolutionary pianist Little Richard fairly comfortably (have a look at the horn section the next time you watch The Girl Can't Help It - there he is, complete with trademark goatee).

Also his successful spell with Chico Hamilton probably indicated that more space was an advantage for him - note how on Out To Lunch he uses Bobby Hutcherson's vibes instead of piano.

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 6 February 2008 08:17 (twelve years ago) link

Dingbod--that's insane!

Are we sure?

I've never heard of Dolphy with Little Richard, I can only find a blog entry mentioning it, and if memory serves, the Simosko bio/disco makes no mention. I even tooled around on Youtube, to no avail...

Usual Channels, Wednesday, 6 February 2008 10:25 (twelve years ago) link

He's definitely on there, though.

I remember watching the film as a kid on Saturday afternoon BBC2 and my dad pointed him out (first on the left?) and it was definitely him. Dolphy's presence was confirmed in the NME about ten years later.

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 6 February 2008 10:34 (twelve years ago) link

Neat!

Usual Channels, Wednesday, 6 February 2008 11:25 (twelve years ago) link

Is the sound on the RVG edition of Out to Lunch significantly better than the original issue CD (which I have)? Some of those RVG's can be a bit hit and miss. I'm in Tokyo right now so perhaps I should consider picking up one of the Japanese edtions...

sam500, Thursday, 7 February 2008 00:43 (twelve years ago) link

I think the sound might be why I was so turned off by it the first time!

It was my first RVG and I was horrified. Then I realized it was a trend, but I haven't gone back to OTL since.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 7 February 2008 00:44 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, we had the RVG discussion on one or two other threads. Short version: avoid them

Hurting 2, Thursday, 7 February 2008 00:45 (twelve years ago) link

thanks for the advice :)

sam500, Thursday, 7 February 2008 00:54 (twelve years ago) link

fwiw it took me a while to realize. it was totally "doth my ears deceive me?" b/c I knew RVG had engineered so many originally great-sounding records. I think it was the Maiden Voyage that pushed me over the edge, but I only felt sure of my opinion once I realized that others were experiencing the same

Hurting 2, Thursday, 7 February 2008 01:01 (twelve years ago) link

some of the RVG's that i've heard have been a bit on the bright side. and an overly 'bright' sounding OTL would be too tiring for my ears.

sam500, Thursday, 7 February 2008 01:05 (twelve years ago) link

four years pass...

Charles Mingus said, "Usually, when a man dies, you remember—or you say you remember—only the good things about him. With Eric, that's all you could remember. I don't remember any drags he did to anybody. The man was absolutely without a need to hurt".

omar little, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 01:39 (seven years ago) link

buy everything you see with his name on it.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, July 14, 2005 6:34 PM (7 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

jalapeno kloppers (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 01:53 (seven years ago) link

DOLPHY PO5:

At the Five Spot vol. 1 w/Booker Little
Coltrane - Ole
Mingus Town Hall 1964
Out There
Coltrane - Village Vanguard

Dolphy was the first jazz musician whose soloing I instinctively responded to, and remains foremost for me...

Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 15:38 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

Out To Lunch! was recorded 50 years ago today, the same day Ali beat Liston in Miami for the Heavyweight Championship.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 14:29 (six years ago) link

Just picked up Out There over the weekend for my first ever dip into his solo work. I'm excited.

an enormous bolus of flatulence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 15:37 (six years ago) link

Out There is incredible - one of our house's most played LPs. The cello / bass combo is something more people should have done.

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 15:58 (six years ago) link

otm. Ron Carter's Where? has a similar lineup: Carter, Duvivier, Dolphy, but with Charlie Persip and Mal Waldron.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 16:04 (six years ago) link

i'm still waiting for more cello/guitar recs!

http://ecmreviews.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/improvisations-for-cello-and-guitar1.jpg

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 16:08 (six years ago) link

I kinda don't like Eric's solo on the "Out There" title cut very much - he keeps playing that one dipsy-doodle lick over and over for several bars at a time, like he's killing time while thinking of what to play next. Maybe it wouldn't sound that way if Haynes/Duvivier weren't so committed to 4/4, I dunno...

But yeah, still a very cool-sounding lineup in total.

Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 16:14 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

thissss
https://vimeo.com/105420482

tylerw, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 14:55 (five years ago) link

Woah.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 15 April 2015 16:04 (five years ago) link

did any other jazz musicians ever get into the bass clarinet? or did they just stay away from it because dolphy was so amazing.

tylerw, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 16:07 (five years ago) link

that's the track that got me into him, love it

sleeve, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 16:07 (five years ago) link

did any other jazz musicians ever get into the bass clarinet?

Byard Lancaster has some stunning moments on Bill Dixon's Intents and Purposes. And Harry Carney, John Gilmore, and Peter Brötzmann have all used it at one time or another, but none as their primary instrument.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 15 April 2015 16:16 (five years ago) link

cool, will have to seek those out... i really like the sound dolphy gets out of it! was listening to "spiritual" from coltrane's village vanguard box yesterday too, so good.

tylerw, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 16:20 (five years ago) link

Bennie Maupin on Bitches Brew!

mizzell, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 16:39 (five years ago) link

oh yeah that's right! guess maupin breaks it out w/ hancocka bit too.

tylerw, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 16:42 (five years ago) link

hancocka!

tylerw, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 16:43 (five years ago) link

David Murray on a buncha stuff, but especially Jack DeJohnette's Special Edition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4m9RsRucuM

Ari (whenuweremine), Wednesday, 15 April 2015 16:55 (five years ago) link

five years pass...

jfc I only today learned how the man died. Now I'm fucking angry.

In 1964, Dolphy fell into a coma due to undiagnosed/untreated diabetes in Berlin. He was a teetotaler who didn't smoke, but docs, hearing he played jazz, assumed he'd OD'd and didn't even take a blood test. He died at 36 for absolutely no reason https://t.co/CiAlZYeTzA

— jo livingstone (@Jo_Livingstone) June 29, 2020

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 03:43 (one week ago) link

jeez

mookieproof, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 03:47 (one week ago) link

Shocking waste of a life. Monk and Powell also had some very rough treatment by cops and doctors who decided a few rounds of electroconvulsive therapy might make them better!

calzino, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 08:36 (one week ago) link

I forgot to add the clubs to head therapy from the cops as well.

calzino, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 08:43 (one week ago) link

cops & their psychiatric equivalents basically destroyed monk’s career and life, it’s amazing he got anything done

on dolphy, he gets respect but still feels underrated somehow, maybe bc he didn’t start an obvious “movement”, falls somewhere between bop and “free” with most of playing, recorded lots of his best stuff as sideman. had he lived he would have certainly gone to wilder places, was planning collaboration with ayler, would have done ascension etc. I would also have liked to hear him with/against mid-60s sonny rollins, maybe in the band with don cherry. and an anthony braxton style solo album with all his instruments would have been amazing

dolphy solo recordings: inner flight 1 & 2 (flute), tenderly (alto), various god bless the childs (bass clarinet)- any more?

also did he play regular clarinet anywhere except for that one track on “out there”?

I dunno about solos, but i'll always rep for Where and The Quest which are others albums with a lot of Dolphy greatness on them

calzino, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 11:29 (one week ago) link

not had a good Dolphy listening spree for years now, sounds like a plan!

calzino, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 11:36 (one week ago) link

also did he play regular clarinet anywhere except for that one track on “out there”?

He plays clarinet on "Warm Canto" on "The Quest". There's a Dolphy docu on YouTube called "Last Date".

EvR, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 18:51 (one week ago) link

on dolphy, he gets respect but still feels underrated somehow, maybe bc he didn’t start an obvious “movement”, falls somewhere between bop and “free” with most of playing, recorded lots of his best stuff as sideman. had he lived he would have certainly gone to wilder places, was planning collaboration with ayler, would have done ascension etc. I would also have liked to hear him with/against mid-60s sonny rollins, maybe in the band with don cherry. and an anthony braxton style solo album with all his instruments would have been amazing

― If you choose too long a name, your new display name will be truncated in (Left), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 11:04 (eight hours ago) link

I don't usually get too hung up on artists who passed early & wondering what could have been but Dolphy does feel like for all of the greatness he produced in his lifetime he was only getting started and he that he set a template for so many horn players who followed him (playing multiple different instruments for inst) and that he already had formed a relationship with the early Euro free scene (Mengelberg & Bennink on Last Date), who knows he could've been making records with Derek Bailey & Brotzmann as well.

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 19:28 (one week ago) link

so damned sad

"Jazz on a Summer's Day," a concert film of the 1958 Newport Jazz Festival, has a couple of brief scenes of Dolphy playing with the Chico Hamilton Quintet ... it was on TCM recently

Brad C., Tuesday, 30 June 2020 23:12 (one week ago) link

He has always been my favorite jazz soloist.

gnarled and turbid sinuses (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 23:35 (one week ago) link

another great album with some prime Dolphy is Max Roach's Percussion Bitter Sweet.

calzino, Wednesday, 1 July 2020 11:25 (one week ago) link

the lyrics to the vocal track Mendacity (with nice Dolphy solo) still ring true (politicians are a bunch of cunts).

calzino, Wednesday, 1 July 2020 11:31 (one week ago) link

Eric Dolphy is definitely one of the great tragedies in an art form that's had far too any. It's very possible he hadn't reached his full potential which is simply astonishing when we have a masterpiece like Out to Lunch. With the loss of Coltrane and Dolphy and what they were beginning to explore with the possibilities opened up by free jazz, the loss is pretty immense. It would've been fascinating to see how things would've played out in the coming decade.

birdistheword, Wednesday, 1 July 2020 17:15 (one week ago) link


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