Enigma "Sadeness Part 1"... the song that will never fucking die...

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...at new age craft stores, incense booths, cosmetic accessory sections of department stores, and professional massage parlors.

THERE ARE OTHER SONGS, PEOPLE!

donut e- (donut), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:13 (fifteen years ago) link

15th anniversary for TEH SADENESS!

donut e- (donut), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:14 (fifteen years ago) link

HOOOOOOOO!

donut e- (donut), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:14 (fifteen years ago) link

I....kind of like it.

I Named Veal (nordicskilla), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:14 (fifteen years ago) link

"Ya'll ready for this?"

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:15 (fifteen years ago) link

Adam, are you wearing an open hemp lamé shirt sporting a mystic talisman on your necklace?

donut e- (donut), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:15 (fifteen years ago) link

People who don't like this song make blood-smeared statues of the Baby Jesus that have been used as props in paganistic orgies cry.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:15 (fifteen years ago) link

I bet the cries of those orgies sound like the chants in TEH SADDENSESS!

donut e- (donut), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:17 (fifteen years ago) link

People bitch about "Orinoco flow", but blindly don't mind this atrocity.

(Sorry I'm all Alex In NYC stylee today...)

donut e- (donut), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:19 (fifteen years ago) link

What the fuck is the girl saying in the song..

"Shah! Team wah!"

*doot DOOT DAAAADUUUUUUUU*

donut e- (donut), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:20 (fifteen years ago) link

"Sade, dit moi..."

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:21 (fifteen years ago) link

SHE IS SPEAKING TEH FRENCH

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:21 (fifteen years ago) link

Adam, are you wearing an open hemp lamé shirt sporting a mystic talisman on your necklace?

yes, but ONLY because it matches my sandals.

I Named Veal (nordicskilla), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:21 (fifteen years ago) link

Orinoco Flow goddamn rulz U R ALL GAY!

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:21 (fifteen years ago) link

"Orinoco Flow" is OK, "Sadness part 1" is a fucking musical atrocity.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:22 (fifteen years ago) link

I wish my sadness sounded like this song! My sadness sounds like the shittiest Daniel Johnston song you can think of!

I Named Veal (nordicskilla), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:22 (fifteen years ago) link

*doot DOOT DAAAADUUUUUUUU*

This is the thread where we spell out pan flute sounds

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:22 (fifteen years ago) link

C/D: Operant Conditioning

This was, like, THE "Love Theme From Every Girl's Room All Through College." Its mere mention is still enough to induce moderate arousal (teh chubby!). Oh the NSFW memories...

rogermexico (rogermexico), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:22 (fifteen years ago) link

Procedamus in pace
In nomine Christi, Amen
.
Cum angelis et pueris,
fideles inveniamur
.
Attollite portas, principes, vestras
et elevamini, portae aeternales
et introibit rex gloriae
Qius est iste Rex glorie?
.
Sade dit moi
Sade donne moi
.
Procedamus in pace
In nomine Christi, Amen
.
Sade dit moi
qu'est ce que tu vas chercher ?
le bien par le mal
la vertu par le vice
Sade dit moi pourquoi l' 'evangile du mal ?
quelle est ta religion ou` sont tes fide`les ?
Si tu es contre Dieu, tu es contre l'homme
.
Sade dit moi pourquoi le sang pour le plaisir ?
Le plaisir sans l'amour.
N'y a t'il plus de sentiment dans le culte de l'homme ?
.
Sade es-tu diabolique ou divin?
.
Sade dit moi
Hosanna
Sade donne moi
Hosanna
Sade dit moi
Hosanna
Sade donne moi
Hosanna
.
In nomine Christi, Amen

(Translation:
Let us go forth in peace
In the name of Christ, So be it
.
We shall find the faithful in the
company of angels and children
.
Lift up ye heads o ye glorious gates,
and be ye lifted up ye everlasting doors,
and the king of glory shall come in.
Who is the king of glory?
.
Sade tell me
Sade give me
.
Shall we proceed in peace
In the name of Christ, Amen
.
Sade tell me
what is it that you seek?
The rightness of wrong
The virtue of vice
Sade tell me why the Gospel of evil ?
What is your religion? Where are your faithful?
If you are against God, you are against man
.
Sade tell me why blood for pleasure?
Pleasure without love?
Is there no longer any feeling in man's Faith?
.
Sade are you diabolical or divine?
.
Sade tell me
Hosanna
Sade give me
Hosanna
Sade tell me
Hosanna
Sade give me
Hosanna
.
In the name of Christ, Amen )

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:23 (fifteen years ago) link

Wait...this is Christian-Hop?!

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:24 (fifteen years ago) link

Sade tell me why the Gospel of evil

(The Sweetest Taboo)

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:24 (fifteen years ago) link

It's kind of impossible to use Gregorian chant and not have Christian lyrics!

The Ghost of Kids Today... (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:25 (fifteen years ago) link

In english part of that song says (acc. to that cherishable site.. FreeTranslation.com):


Sade says me that will you look for?
The good by the evil
the virtue by the vice
Sade says me why l'
'Gospel of the evil?
Which is your religion
ouç are your fideçles?
If you are against God, you are against the man.
Sade says me
why the blood for the pleasure?
The pleasure without love.
There has not you it more of feeling in the worship of the man? . Sade are you devilish or divine? .

Sade says me
Hosanna
Sade gives me
Hosanna
Sade says me
Hosanna Sade gives me
Hosanna

donut e- (donut), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:27 (fifteen years ago) link

If you are against God, you are against the man.

PREACH IT SPOOKY ENIGMA CHICK!

donut e- (donut), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:28 (fifteen years ago) link

Q: Enigma "Sadeness Part 1"... the song that will never fucking die?

A: The good by the evil!

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:28 (fifteen years ago) link

TS: FreeTranslation.com vs the translation given with the lyrics as delineated by the (Translation: bit.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:29 (fifteen years ago) link

Q: Are We Not Enigma? A: We Are Against God!

donut e- (donut), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:30 (fifteen years ago) link

Enigmachick should say the word "Translation" in the lyrics.. in the same way Janet Jackson used to say "EDIT" in her earlier days.

donut e- (donut), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:31 (fifteen years ago) link

DEEP FOREST!!!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:31 (fifteen years ago) link

sade can i get your sister email why because she look intersting

NAthaniel, Friday, 8 July 2005 19:32 (fifteen years ago) link

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

donut e- (donut), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:32 (fifteen years ago) link

Gregorian monks are so HOT.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:32 (fifteen years ago) link

Half the atrocities of "Sadeness" is all the shitty spinoff tunes and artists it inspired!

donut e- (donut), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:33 (fifteen years ago) link

"Shot... emu...."

*doot DOOT DAAAADUUUUUUUU*

donut e- (donut), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:34 (fifteen years ago) link

DEEP FOREST

My brother would play this a lot when he was 14 and say to me "you know, you just don't have any music that you can really RELAX to".

I Named Veal (nordicskilla), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:35 (fifteen years ago) link

Out of curiosity, was there ever a "Sadness Part 2"?

I Named Veal (nordicskilla), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:36 (fifteen years ago) link

"you know, you just don't have any music that you can really RELAX to".

B-b-b-but Frankie Goes to Hollywood!

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:36 (fifteen years ago) link

"Shuh... Zima"

*doot DOOT DAAAADUUUUUUUU*

donut e- (donut), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:37 (fifteen years ago) link

(IOW, FreeTranslation.com is no "It's your fremme neppa venette.")

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:39 (fifteen years ago) link

Out of curiosity, was there ever a "Sadness Part 2"?

You clearly don't own the album. Unlike ME.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:40 (fifteen years ago) link

Dan, how much do you charge for the tea tree oil bath + 90-minute deep tissue massage, again?

donut e- (donut), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:42 (fifteen years ago) link

C/D Bringing panflutes to shows as an audience member and playing along

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:42 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh come on, even if it's new age, the first Enigma LP was great, and sounded a lot more like ambient house and less like new age, than the acts that followed (like the aforementioned Deep Forest, or the worst of them all, Era). And don't forget that Enigma producer Michael Cretu was also responsible for the pop hits of his wife, SANDRA! Remember Maria Magdalena?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:45 (fifteen years ago) link

(x-post)

Haha, for once me and Dan Perry find a common ground. I used to be the proud owner of all three Enigma LPs, but unfortunately I've lost them somewhere.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:46 (fifteen years ago) link

Dan, how much do you charge for the tea tree oil bath + 90-minute deep tissue massage, again?

With or without anal violation?

(xpost: I STILL HAVE ALL THREE OF THEM! Only I haven't listened to them in a dog's age. That may change tonight.)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:47 (fifteen years ago) link

Remember the backwards video for Return to Innocence? That shit was so meaningful to a teenager! Though me and my friends always believed the yodeling on that song was spontaneously composed while the singer was sitting on the crapper with a severe case of constipation.

AAAWWW-AAAYYAAHH-AWWW-AAAAYAAH!

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:53 (fifteen years ago) link

"Ass... Violat."

*doot DOOT DAAAADUUUUUUUU*

donut e- (donut), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:54 (fifteen years ago) link

i loathe enigma. it was the soundtrack to my roommate getting it on with a strange old man in MY BED. gross.

"iiiiii-eeeeee-iiiiiiiiiii-iiiiii---iiiiiiiiiii" -- pygmies

enigma = the WORST

The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:59 (fifteen years ago) link

Did the strange old man charge you for the tea tree oil bath + 90-minute deep tissue massage?

donut e- (donut), Friday, 8 July 2005 20:00 (fifteen years ago) link

This song is still Top 40 in Eastern Europe, it is ubiquitous

Odult Ariented Rock (Ówen P.), Sunday, 20 March 2011 16:50 (nine years ago) link

oh man i remember pure moods

SBlendor in the grass (bernard snowy), Sunday, 20 March 2011 16:55 (nine years ago) link

Mark Sinker's further elaborations on the subject.

Though the yogic flying sentiment of the music is surely "NAFF"
I don't think anybody could debate that the record is a significant technical achievement
Just not as cool in hindsight as The Orb
I mean, even now, I have no idea how Cretu made that record in 1989.

Odult Ariented Rock (Ówen P.), Sunday, 20 March 2011 17:09 (nine years ago) link

Owen did you catch those links up there? Be interested in your take on Mark's thoughts in particular.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 20 March 2011 17:10 (nine years ago) link

Haha my apologies, that crossposted EXACTLY with your response.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 20 March 2011 17:10 (nine years ago) link

this song
so sexy
yet mystical

plax (ico), Sunday, 20 March 2011 17:11 (nine years ago) link

I like Mark's writing, I like "The Ethos Of Suture". But I look at music more technically, I guess, and in this article, the synapses Mark sees and the conclusions he draws are one's that interest me, and make for awesome writing, but feel rooted in critique of the past-tense. I listened to Enigma a lot when it came out, both this record and the second record, which was described by my older brother excitedly as being "all about the Indians", lol, and in comparison to other "electronic" music at the time, whether it was Jean-Michel Jarre's MIDI-oriented stuff*, or rap, or The Orb, all of which was on my 12-year-old radar, hesitantly leaving my friends in the reggae section as I slipped over to "New Age", Cretu is a progressive producer. At least, he seemed so at the time. I remember even back then caring "not at all" about the Revelations quotes, the Callas references, the "This Is The Voice Of Enigma" monologue, and instead being smitten with the synth pads, the samples, just the sound of everything. Sentiment aside, and forgiving the inescapability of it, this is some well made music. I cannot say the same about Enya, jeez.

* If you want something that sounds dated, you should listen to "En Attendant Cousteau"

Odult Ariented Rock (Ówen P.), Sunday, 20 March 2011 17:35 (nine years ago) link

Whoa, that got a little nostalgic, sorry.
But yeah, good article. I just think that decrying the track as "NAFF" is forgetting the landscape at the time.

Re: the panpipes... synth or not synth? I'm pretty sure it's just a flute, and the harmonic-heavy performance is misleading the listener into thinking that it's something "ethnic", and the flute is performed live, but then sampled, probably by an MPC-60, at a low sample rate, which explains why it sounds the way it does.

Odult Ariented Rock (Ówen P.), Sunday, 20 March 2011 17:42 (nine years ago) link

enya is amazing

plax (ico), Sunday, 20 March 2011 17:43 (nine years ago) link

Enya is amazing, but not "well made" in the same way. It's economical in the sense that it could be made with a single Radioshack keyboard and a MIDIVerb.

Odult Ariented Rock (Ówen P.), Sunday, 20 March 2011 17:48 (nine years ago) link

four months pass...

are any of Enigma's records worth owning?

I have MCMXC A.D. and it's decent but if this is as good as it gets...

frogbs, Thursday, 18 August 2011 19:20 (nine years ago) link

second one is worth it

Rob Based and DJ EZ God (DJP), Thursday, 18 August 2011 19:46 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

lol ok "Return to Innocence" brings back some memories

this sound really died a horrible, horrible death

frogbs, Monday, 3 October 2011 21:49 (eight years ago) link

Until Moby brought it back and made a bajillion dollars off of it.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:42 (eight years ago) link

I love when I open a six-year-old thread and have the same instantaneous response as I apparently did six years ago.

jaymc, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 03:29 (eight years ago) link

heyyaheyowoahhey

Master of Treacle, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 03:44 (eight years ago) link

Return to Innocence is amazing

Master of Treacle, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 03:46 (eight years ago) link

this sound really died a horrible, horrible death

and then, from the ashes rises:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4ITY5hGzAM

Chris S, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 04:15 (eight years ago) link

three months pass...

It seems the indie folks have sort of appropiated some of its feats for chillwave or dronepop or whatever the fuck it's called but I sense new age might have a comeback in the mainstream this year or maybe next. Moby could finally get his second breath of life if he plays his cards right.

Moka, Thursday, 26 January 2012 09:21 (eight years ago) link

six years pass...

Well, that last post is terrifying. I haven't heard Sadeness in the wild in a while.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 01:44 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

bugger.

tried to open and read the mark s article linked upthread :

"Error 503 Backend fetch failed
Backend fetch failed

Guru Meditation:
XID: 96950946
"

i have decided that i am now old enough to enjoy enigma.
never used to, but on a chilled out sunday with a glass of wine, their albums totally hit the spot.
oh, and i enjoy this stuff far more than anything i have by enya.

mark e, Sunday, 13 September 2020 18:24 (one week ago) link

Haha is this entire board on a collective mind-trip back to 1990 right now, or just the 2 of us?

(I’m kind of afraid of what lurks behind the cut on this thread)

Greta Grebo (Branwell with an N), Sunday, 13 September 2020 18:35 (one week ago) link

some of us never left!

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Sunday, 13 September 2020 18:39 (one week ago) link

ha.
indeed.
basically, i read the recent pitchfork article re enya, so thought i would give the album i have a spin.
got bored within 4 tracks, then remembered i have a few enigma cds in the archive from my charity shop digs.
and yeah, enjoying them far more than i probably should.

mark e, Sunday, 13 September 2020 18:41 (one week ago) link

Enya's first four albums are flawless, Watermark is better than Loveless

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Sunday, 13 September 2020 18:50 (one week ago) link

Freaky Trigger apparently (not) running on a broken Amiga seems appropriate.

grebo shot first (Noel Emits), Sunday, 13 September 2020 18:52 (one week ago) link

ahh, i only have the 6th Enya album in the archive.
guess i need to address such an oversight.

mark e, Sunday, 13 September 2020 18:54 (one week ago) link

Watermark is the starting point, the the Celts and Shepherd Moons... Amarantine is probably their worst album, it's very dull.

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Sunday, 13 September 2020 18:57 (one week ago) link

I just put MCMXC on and had almost Pavlovian response within about 20 seconds of The Voice of Enigma...

This whole thing is just so perfect - those horn hits during the second part of Sadeness - what is that reminding me of? Tom’s Diner or something?

I’m just coming over all nostalgic about goth chicks’ candlelit bedrooms in which I have lain, listening to this song - which seems a common refrain on this thread hee hee?

I am pretty sure that our Sys Admin has a thumbnail of this album as his Microsoft avatar (mine is Kraftwerk of course - trying to get through to the IT department is like, what do you want? Technologically pristine Germans of Gregorian Chants?)

Greta Grebo (Branwell with an N), Sunday, 13 September 2020 18:57 (one week ago) link

LOZl, my phone just tried to autocorrect “Gregorian” to “Grebo”?!?! Knock that off!!!

Greta Grebo (Branwell with an N), Sunday, 13 September 2020 18:58 (one week ago) link

*LOL not LOZI

Greta Grebo (Branwell with an N), Sunday, 13 September 2020 18:59 (one week ago) link

ned on engima:

something that shouldn't exist

i keed, i keed.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Sunday, 13 September 2020 19:12 (one week ago) link

Enigma less good that Enya, but that's just me....

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Sunday, 13 September 2020 19:45 (one week ago) link

My parents would listen to their first three albums a lot when I was a kid (presumably the fact that Michael Crețu is Romanian had something to do with it) but I can't remember a single thing about them other than NEW AGE.

pomenitul, Sunday, 13 September 2020 19:49 (one week ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ib7g_6PywA

hugely enjoyable, but not exactly new age is it ?

mark e, Sunday, 13 September 2020 20:01 (one week ago) link

I'd never heard that one before but it's pure nostalgia bait nonetheless.

pomenitul, Sunday, 13 September 2020 20:16 (one week ago) link

Diminishing returns on Enigma records, but I think 3/4 of Cross of Changes is great

Vinnie, Monday, 14 September 2020 00:00 (one week ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z18HWWX6yYM

This is really weird and confounded me when I was 10!

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 14 September 2020 01:50 (one week ago) link

sade can i get your sister email why because she look intersting

― NAthaniel, Friday, July 8, 2005 3:32 PM (fifteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 14 September 2020 01:52 (one week ago) link

OMG, The Voice and The Snake, like do you know how much joy that brought to a 20 y.o. goth who used to sit in the back pews of their mother's church and read Revelations during mass as a teenager.

Greta Grebo (Branwell with an N), Monday, 14 September 2020 07:25 (one week ago) link

One of the two Enigma dudes had an entire massive number one hit career before Enigma. He is a very, very wealthy dude. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sULN3U1NjlI

Three Word Username, Monday, 14 September 2020 08:01 (one week ago) link

Were there really "two Enigma dudes"? I thought Michael Cretu was always the main driving force behind the project, and according to Wikipedia Cornelius was only involved in Enigma from 1993 to 1996.

Cretu himself, of course, also had a fairly successful career before Enigma as a songwriter and keyboard player for the woman whom he'd eventually marry:

https://youtu.be/4jjzu1Z2RZc

Tuomas, Monday, 14 September 2020 08:56 (one week ago) link

The whole point of Enigma for Cretu was keeping the performers and producers behind it obscured, enigmatic if you will. But Cornelius is one of the few participants he's admitted to, and his name is all over their publishing. Also Cornelius' wealth since the 90s far exceeds what German-language pop stars generally have.

Three Word Username, Monday, 14 September 2020 09:20 (one week ago) link

I always find it amazing, like the ways in which Euro pop and UK pop intersect, and don't?

Like, I also hang out on a messageboard for a German-language band where at least half the users are German, Austrian, etc. and many, many times, they'll mention someone who is massive, huge, like Cliff Richard-level, even their grandparents know who they are, well-known in German-language markets, but I either think of them as an obscure one-hit-wonder, or I've literally never heard of them.

I'm used to the way that US / UK ideas of who/what was "massive" does not always translate. But it is genuinely eye-opening, discovering how little exposure we get to continental pop, beyond the occasional "summer holiday jam" that somehow makes it across.

Greta Grebo (Branwell with an N), Monday, 14 September 2020 12:02 (one week ago) link

Is Peter Schilling a big deal in the German-language market? "Major Tom (Coming Home)" is so cool, I've always wondered why he never made the international charts again.

Soz (Not Soz) (Vast Halo), Monday, 14 September 2020 13:09 (one week ago) link

a Dutch TV programme did an interview with Schilling recently on his big hit and how it impacted his life:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoJZvD39M_A

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Monday, 14 September 2020 13:19 (one week ago) link

His German page on Wikipedia suggests he has about a dozen more albums and multiple other singles (and says that he suffered "burnout" after his international success) so it would seem that he was far more well-known at home.

(I always love when I go to Wiki and the English page is like 3 sentences and the German page has like 20 subsections of information.)

x-post

Greta Grebo (Branwell with an N), Monday, 14 September 2020 13:21 (one week ago) link

some of the above is addressed in the interview I linked

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Monday, 14 September 2020 13:44 (one week ago) link

Out of curiosity, was there ever a "Sadness Part 2"?

― I Named Veal (nordicskilla), Friday, July 8, 2005 9:36 PM (fifteen years ago)

Question got answered in 2016:

https://youtu.be/HHdylh210Ho

Siegbran, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 12:54 (one week ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHdylh210Ho

Siegbran, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 12:58 (one week ago) link


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