defend the indefensible: RATTLE AND HUM by U2

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there seems to be a general ILM consensus that this one is pretty bad. i am not one of the U2 bashers around here, but i find it hard to defend this turkey (didn't it come out around thanksgiving 1988, by the way?) the closest thing that i can come to an overall defense: it is one of the strongest anti-rockist arguments out there (i.e., it pretty much put the final nail in the 80s "roots" thing, at least for major artists).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 30 June 2005 04:48 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i will confess to liking "desire" and "silver and gold" (the "am i buggin' ya?" silliness notwithstanding). i also think that the beats in "god part II" are kinda hot.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 30 June 2005 04:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

but then we had the 90s roots thing!

g e o f f (gcannon), Thursday, 30 June 2005 04:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Van Dyke Parks' orchestration for "All I Want Is You" is interesting, though both song and arrangement seem rather too keenly aware of their former rivals' "Ocean Rain."

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 30 June 2005 04:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Isn't this the one that has that song "you say you want/diamonds and a ring of gold..."? I like that one! And the movie was directed by Phil Joanu, who made "Three O'Clock High," which is awesome.

On a Strict El Cholo Diet (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 30 June 2005 04:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink

That song is the aforementioned "All I Want Is You." I like it too!

Nonetheless, I wrote U2 off for good based on the evidence presented by Rattle And Hum. They'd taken the Joshua Tree anthemic americana schtick as far as it could go, and the result was not just unpretty but, worse, uninteresting. Clearly, it was time to stick a fork in these guys.

Turns out, they knew it too - hence the anthemic continentinalia of Achtung Baby, which brought me right back...

rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 30 June 2005 06:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"god part II" is my favorite U2 song.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 30 June 2005 07:20 (twelve years ago) Permalink

SEARCH_________________________
Desire
Hawkmoon 269
Pride (In the Name of Love)
Angel of Harlem
All I Want Is You

DESTROY!_______________________
Everything else.

"Ey...Bono? Are We Stealin' it Back?"

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Thursday, 30 June 2005 08:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"Angel Of Harlem" is of course one of only three UK Top 20 hit singles to namecheck John Coltrane.

Your question for ten: what were the other two?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 30 June 2005 08:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Ian Dury - Reasons to be cheerful, part 3.

A guess, Will Downing - A love supreme?

If not Will Downing, something from mid-80's I'd guess, Scritti, Lloyd Cole or some other wannabe hipster.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 30 June 2005 08:38 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Right about Ian Dury, but not Will Downing - a Coltrane cover, obviously, but he isn't namechecked in the lyric.

The third one is from the '80s but not from that particular pop ballpark.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 30 June 2005 08:39 (twelve years ago) Permalink

A guess, but "When Smokey Sings" or whatever it was called, by ABC?

Neil Stewart (Neil Stewart), Thursday, 30 June 2005 10:00 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Nope.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 30 June 2005 10:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"Play the Blues, Edge" may someday be the modern day "Freebird" or "More Cowbell".

geyser muffler and a quarter (Dave225), Thursday, 30 June 2005 10:33 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"Don't Believe the Hype"? Did that go top 20?

Ark Hopping (avoid80), Thursday, 30 June 2005 10:38 (twelve years ago) Permalink

KORREKT!!!!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 30 June 2005 10:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Dylan is maybe at the lowest of his ebbs at this point. ISTR he plays Hammond on Hawkmoon 269, and maybe cowrote one of the tracks, possibly "All I Want Is You" or "Love Rescue Me".

What really rankles about this (apart from having shelled out good $ to go to the cinema and see it) is the imperious tip of the hat to Billie Holiday, Elvis, homeless blues guys &c. It's like a slug saying the moon is quite good.

A.C.M.E. (A.C.M.E.), Thursday, 30 June 2005 11:01 (twelve years ago) Permalink

In fact, let's grit our teeth, and go through all the Hat Tips on Rattle & Hum:

  • stealing Helter Skelter "back" on behalf of the Beatles
  • dedicating The Edge's effort to poet John Boyle O'Reilly, and dissing him in the sleevenotes
  • sticking Dylan on inaudible Hammond on Hawkmoon 269 (and Honey Cone on backing vocals)
  • Dylan again / Hendrix on All Along The Watchtower, because there's no chance of bathos there
  • yuk, I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For goes gospel with the New Voices Of Freedom
  • Hey, Sterling Magee, Bobby Robinson & Macie Mabins, would you like 0:38 on our bloated album?
  • the brass nerve of "for Billie Holiday" on Angel Of Harlem: how wonderful it would be to hear which curse words she would use if she heard it
  • Bono and Bob set the Bible to music and Bob does backing vox on Love Rescue Me
  • Ladies and Gentlemen, Mister BB King
  • of *course
  • Eno is doing keyboards on Heartland -- a song you forget while you're listening to it
  • "for John Lennon", because God needed a sanctimonious updating
  • hey, dead Jimi Hendirx, would you like 0:43 on our bloated record, on which the guitars are also quite good?
  • "put El Salvador through the amp"
  • and after the rattle, the hum: Van Dyke Parks on All I Want Is You
  • "thanks to Tim Buckley"?!
  • the Spinal Tap Gracelands moments
  • A.C.M.E. (A.C.M.E.), Thursday, 30 June 2005 11:19 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    I really liked "Rattle and Hum" back in 1988. I was 11 years old and didn`t know much about the influences U2 namechecked or covered on this album. So after a while, I checked out Hendrix, the Beatles and even grabbed a John Coltrane-record from my father's collection. So for me "Rattle and Hum" was quite an important album. Today much of the stuff sounds really funny. Still like some of the songs for sentimental reasons. I think "Desire" and "All I Want Is You" are good songs.

    djangojones (djangojones), Thursday, 30 June 2005 12:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    Ugh god I'd forgotten about that "helter skelter" intro.

    Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 30 June 2005 12:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    "Well the God I believe in isn't short o' cash, MISTER!!"

    Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 30 June 2005 12:22 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    I heart this film. But then I heart the pompous and ridiculous in general.

    Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 30 June 2005 12:41 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    Beautiful run-down, ACME! But you forgot the visit to Graceland. In its defense, think how much pleasure this movie has given us. So-bad-it's-good territory, possibly.

    How does the dialog go pre-rehersal?

    BB KING
    This are very heavy lyrics for such a young man.

    BONO
    Thank you, Mr. King.

    Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 30 June 2005 12:43 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    Was that when Bono showed him the words to "Lemon"?

    David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 30 June 2005 12:47 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    "Desire" is great but it in no way justifies this extended cringefest of an album.

    The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 30 June 2005 12:47 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    i am shortly breaking my 18-yr-long don't listen to "rattle and hum" rule!!

    a. i shall then post a very POSITIVE review
    b. i shall then abuse my residual site-admin powers to DELETE the post
    c. then i shall LEAVE ilm in a blaze of calculated publicity!! hurrah!!

    mark s (mark s), Thursday, 30 June 2005 12:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    Andrew OTM. The film cracks me up. And I don't think the soundtrack is completely dismissable although A.C.M.E. is pretty spot on (except "Heartland" -- I always remember that one for some reason). Rattle and Hum does reek of almost blatant (if, due to the misguided nature of Bono and crew in how they trawl through nostalgia, inadvertent) exploitation, but then again one could argue the same about, say, The KLF.

    Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 30 June 2005 12:54 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    The difference between U2 and The KLF is that The KLF does blatant exploitation that's fun to listen to.

    The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 30 June 2005 13:01 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    God I hate the intro to Helter Skelter

    THE JAMES DEAN OF THE OLD TESTAMENT (ex machina), Thursday, 30 June 2005 13:04 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    I sold it years ago, but I like this record. I guess I am in the minority. I remember liking the version of "Bullet The Blue Sky" (pelting the women and children, pelting the women and children) quite a bit. This thread may inspire me to find it again and listen. Of course, after that I will probably decide the record is shite, but for now I'll stand up for it.

    BlastsOfStatic (BlastsofStatic), Thursday, 30 June 2005 13:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    The album that destroyed my U2 fandom. And for that, I realize in retrospect, I'm quite grateful.

    Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 June 2005 13:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    Hahaha this album also destroyed my U2 fandom but Achtung Baby reeled me right back in. (Of course Pop and Zooropa pushed me away again but nothing else they've done is as instantly repellant and disgustingly awful as Rattle and Hum.)

    The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 30 June 2005 13:19 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    The difference between U2 and The KLF is that The KLF does blatant exploitation that's fun to listen to.

    *dies laughing* OTM!

    Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 30 June 2005 13:20 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    "I FEEL A LONG WAY FROM THE HILLS OF SAN SALVADOR"

    Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 30 June 2005 13:23 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    it has "all i want is you"

    AaronK (AaronK), Thursday, 30 June 2005 13:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    "All I Want Is You" isn't that great, though.

    The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 30 June 2005 13:29 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    The net effect of "All I Want Is You" closing the album is like following up ripping out your guts by saying "Oh yeah, here's some Bactine. I think it's past the expiration date, though."

    Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 June 2005 13:30 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    Sorry, ACME, you didn't forget Graceland, well done.

    Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 30 June 2005 13:32 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    There are a lot of great tracks on that album. I don't necessarily like the recreations of previous tracks, but the new ones on it are quite good.

    Brett Hickman (Bhickman), Thursday, 30 June 2005 13:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    When I think of most of the new tracks on Rattle and Hum, the words "aural" and "Auschwitz" come to mind.

    The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 30 June 2005 13:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    I'll take a stab at this.

    1) I, like Markus, was turned on to a bunch of other music via R&H. Good music...music even ILM likes!
    2) The gospel version of "Still Haven't Found" is actually two parts...if you remember, the a capella intro is much longer on the film, and is edited for the soundtrack. The a capella parts are pretty nice. The choir can sing. But then you realize that Bono is trying to make himself sound as if his every word is backed by a choir of angels...crap.
    3) The Edge's refusal to play a "blues" lead on a song with BB King. At the time, I thought he was a punk ass who just couldn't play guitar...since then, I have realized that his solo, as un-"blues" as it is, is quite blues...drone, tone, and moan!
    4) The homeless man's blues (Freedom for My People, right?) was the inspiration for one of my finest drunken open mic moments ever.
    5) Desire, All I Want is You, Van Diemen's Land

    I've done what I can. I suspect my efforts will be dunked like a cookie.

    Big Loud Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Thursday, 30 June 2005 14:23 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    The version of "Bullet the Blue Sky" is smokin'. Shame it comes all the way at the end of the album.

    Also, "Silver and Gold" not so bad, if memory serves, but that I haven't heard in years.

    john'n'chicago, Thursday, 30 June 2005 14:31 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    There's no way they made this movie and weren't aware of what pompous asses they making themselves out to be. No way. Very conscious de-mythification.

    I thought it was a great, warts and all doc at the time that left me with mixed feelings. Some beautiful footage of great live performers. Adam Clayton certainly looked cool by this point. Musically, "Heartland" and "Silver and Gold" were closer to what I loved about U2 than anything on The Joshua Tree (that was the album that pushed me away from die-hard fandom, though I love "With or Without You"). But the lyrics, and the stage banter accompanyiny "S & G," were unbearable. "Edge play the blues"? "Am I buggin' ya"? They had to know. They just had to.

    The cover choices--not even knowing the lyrics to "Helter Skelter"--were stupid. And somehow also pompous and ridiculous. This was them letting it all hang out in great cinematography. I didn't get into "All I Want Is You" until years later. Same with "One," actually, which is their real roots fusion song, on the next album. Their best music makes it look easy. "Surrender" and "Two Hearts Beat as One" were the template. U2 dismissers can go ahead and miss out on a unique, and pretty great, R&B-punk fusion that's still commands my attention all these years later...

    Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 30 June 2005 16:11 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    Is Live's "Operation Spirit" a bit of a rip (musically) on "Silver and Gold"? Sounds like it to me, except with a slap bass.

    Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 30 June 2005 17:43 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    There's no way they made this movie and weren't aware of what pompous asses they making themselves out to be. No way.

    I dunno -- this is the line of argument that I always saw cropping up in grad school talk about various pieces of literature always being designed to undercut itself. "Don't you see? It was all ironic!"

    Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 June 2005 17:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    "am i buggin' ya?" provided some MST3K chuckles, at least.

    Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 30 June 2005 18:10 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    Hm, remind me where again.

    Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 June 2005 18:13 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    So after a while, I checked out Hendrix, the Beatles and even grabbed a John Coltrane-record from my father's collection.

    I, like Markus, was turned on to a bunch of other music via R&H. Good music...music even ILM likes!

    Now I feel mean, but I shouldn't. My beef was more with the STATEMENT made by all those references, which I took then and take now to be "This is the company we are now keeping. These are standards by which we wish to be judged. History, open another chapter. There is a new band in town."

    I mean, chutzpah, and it works, but what's it not an ounce of? Fun.

    A.C.M.E. (A.C.M.E.), Friday, 1 July 2005 07:49 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    ACME on the fuckin' money. I was there when Bono painted "Rock & Roll Stops the Traffic" on the sculpture at Embarcadro (in SF). After people criticized him for doing it, he flew the original sculptor in from Europe to defend his act during their next show. Jeez, whatadick. (Hot free impromptu set by the way: helterskelter in the movie. Yes: it rocked).

    Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Friday, 1 July 2005 10:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    Saw film as undergrad, never went to grad school; seemed obvious to me at the time...

    Pete Scholtes, Friday, 1 July 2005 11:34 (twelve years ago) Permalink

    For the most part yes.

    disastrous sixth series (MaresNest), Monday, 16 August 2010 14:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

    three months pass...

    man this movie is non-stop laffs

    you can sub out "bipartisan solutions" for "some of my dick" (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 20:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

    six months pass...

    I'm putting that tenner to the test right now. Initial thoughts: this is a really odd thing, it's quite enjoyable and the music is actually pretty good, yet it's extremely ungaging. I'm now down to glancing at the screen once every couple of minutes. And yes, the only* bits that do stand out are the laffs - gawd, Bono writhing in front of a gospel choir while The Edge plays really quiet guitar is something to behold.

    * not strictly true, the shots of Dublin are also quite nice but that's only because I know the place well enough to see how it's changed

    Ismael Klata, Sunday, 29 May 2011 20:32 (six years ago) Permalink

    I do now understand why people really, really hate U2, though

    Ismael Klata, Sunday, 29 May 2011 20:42 (six years ago) Permalink

    when my next door neighbor gets drunk he turns When Love Comes to Town up to 10 and hollers along.
    not that i was ever going to like this record but still, thanks mark.

    harlan, Sunday, 29 May 2011 20:43 (six years ago) Permalink

    'unengaging' up there, not 'ungaging'

    The 'Fuck the revolution' rant is good. If it really was a spontaneous response to events earlier that day, it's quite impressive.

    Ismael Klata, Sunday, 29 May 2011 20:52 (six years ago) Permalink

    Actually, whether it was spontaneous or not - let's not turn this into a salute to authenticity.

    Ismael Klata, Sunday, 29 May 2011 20:53 (six years ago) Permalink

    ugly white men playing melodies on guitars.

    ― Inculcate a spirit of serfdom in children (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, February 10, 2010

    The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 29 May 2011 21:23 (six years ago) Permalink

    Surely a problem with "God Part 2" is the lack of melody. Notice I didn't say *the* problem.

    Euler, Sunday, 29 May 2011 22:53 (six years ago) Permalink

    four years pass...

    Then Play Long barely can defend U2, really: http://nobilliards.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/u2-rattle-and-hum.html

    agincourtgirl, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 15:44 (two years ago) Permalink

    more like outright condemnation

    Οὖτις, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 20:39 (two years ago) Permalink

    two years pass...

    I had never seen this video before today.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1GLDGiLE4c

    Tremendous. So thrilling.

    I have watched RATTLE AND HUM a number of times but this contains footage not in the film. Very well edited.

    The band all look so thin! It's not just that they were young, but perhaps that - as when you look at photos from the 1940s - people were generally thinner then?

    BB King plays great lead guitar and there is good footage of him.

    I like the way that The Edge is asked to play a solo in a blues song and just plays a long, reverby arpeggio with a blue note in it.

    This record was much maligned and even I didn't think it compared to the band's best. But how does it compare to U2's output now? I think it seems quite classic.

    A good modern blues song and it had the virtue of bringing the great BB King to the UK charts. He liked the song and played it with his own band for many years.

    the pinefox, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 13:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

    "Angel of Harlem" is still awful.

    morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 13:59 (two weeks ago) Permalink

    In fact, let's grit our teeth, and go through all the Hat Tips on Rattle & Hum:

    stealing Helter Skelter "back" on behalf of the Beatles
    dedicating The Edge's effort to poet John Boyle O'Reilly, and dissing him in the sleevenotes
    sticking Dylan on inaudible Hammond on Hawkmoon 269 (and Honey Cone on backing vocals)
    Dylan again / Hendrix on All Along The Watchtower, because there's no chance of bathos there
    yuk, I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For goes gospel with the New Voices Of Freedom
    Hey, Sterling Magee, Bobby Robinson & Macie Mabins, would you like 0:38 on our bloated album?
    the brass nerve of "for Billie Holiday" on Angel Of Harlem: how wonderful it would be to hear which curse words she would use if she heard it
    Bono and Bob set the Bible to music and Bob does backing vox on Love Rescue Me
    Ladies and Gentlemen, Mister BB King
    of *course
    Eno is doing keyboards on Heartland -- a song you forget while you're listening to it
    "for John Lennon", because God needed a sanctimonious updating
    hey, dead Jimi Hendirx, would you like 0:43 on our bloated record, on which the guitars are also quite good?
    "put El Salvador through the amp"
    and after the rattle, the hum: Van Dyke Parks on All I Want Is You
    "thanks to Tim Buckley"?!
    the Spinal Tap Gracelands moments

    ― A.C.M.E. (A.C.M.E.), Thursday, June 30, 2005 11:19 AM (twelve years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

    ^^ booming post

    ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 14:34 (two weeks ago) Permalink

    i like the movie a lot, don't know the album too well.

    brimstead, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:42 (two weeks ago) Permalink

    There's far worse U2 songs than 'Angel of Harlem' ... I don't mind it, personally.

    Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink

    ANNNNNNNN-GEEEELLLLLLL

    morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:56 (two weeks ago) Permalink

    the two best tracks on this by far are Hawkmoon 269 and Heartland, they're both actually great songs. whenever i've made a U2 mix i stick both of them on.

    omar little, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:01 (two weeks ago) Permalink

    I don't know much about Tim Buckley but - had never realized he was mentioned on this LP.

    'Angel of Harlem' is one of the best new songs on it. I agree about Hawkmoon and Heartland also. In fact come to think of it, most of the new songs are good and, sadly, probably all better than U2's last two or three LPs.

    the pinefox, Thursday, 11 January 2018 12:57 (one week ago) Permalink

    I always liked the song title Hawkmoon 269 very post punk like Wire song title bigger

    Keak da Sneaky Dianne (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 January 2018 13:52 (one week ago) Permalink

    kick the darkness till it bleeds daylight

    reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 11 January 2018 14:32 (one week ago) Permalink

    I still like "Desire," it's a good Bo Diddley riff.

    a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 11 January 2018 15:07 (one week ago) Permalink

    its a musical journey

    Your Favorite Album in the Cutout Bin, Thursday, 11 January 2018 17:42 (one week ago) Permalink

    a car salesman who loved to play guitar

    mookieproof, Thursday, 11 January 2018 18:21 (one week ago) Permalink

    I like "All I Want Is You."

    Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 January 2018 20:22 (one week ago) Permalink

    I recall some bootlegs of R&H outtakes knocking round years back and of course, they're all on YouTube, makes for some very glum watching, they look so unhappy/self-conscious. 'Outside It's America' is miles better than Rattle & Hum.

    MaresNest, Thursday, 11 January 2018 20:31 (one week ago) Permalink

    I've been wondering for a while when the death of 12-bar blues in pop music happened, and maybe it's "When Love Came to Town."

    I do like the b-side "Unchained Melody" cover from this album.

    ... (Eazy), Thursday, 11 January 2018 22:37 (one week ago) Permalink

    *Comes to Town

    ... (Eazy), Thursday, 11 January 2018 22:45 (one week ago) Permalink

    Eheh it seems all their albums up to « Achtung Baby » have had a deluxe or remaster version... except for « R&H » ! Isn’t it weird !?

    AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:49 (one week ago) Permalink

    I REALLY like the line "but I did what I did before love came to town"

    brimstead, Friday, 12 January 2018 01:18 (one week ago) Permalink

    I like "All I Want Is You."


    Me too, it rules

    brimstead, Friday, 12 January 2018 01:18 (one week ago) Permalink

    i've always felt that god part II was an unfairly underrated song, and mainly because it's on this album. i don't think the lyrics are spectacular or anything but i love the sound of it, it sounds more like a precursor to achtung baby than anything else here. if they'd used it as a b-side or something people would probably remember it more fondly.

    (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 12 January 2018 01:29 (one week ago) Permalink

    what is OUTSIDE IT'S AMERICA?

    I do have a dvd called RATTLE & ROLL which is RATTLE AND HUM outtakes that are mostly very rough indeed.

    the pinefox, Friday, 12 January 2018 13:45 (one week ago) Permalink

    I think almost all the songs mentioned here are good - not U2's best, but still more powerful than most of what they have released since, say, 1993.

    the pinefox, Friday, 12 January 2018 13:45 (one week ago) Permalink

    For sure, the worst part of the record is the live stuff/covers, imo. The best part of the record is that the band seemed to recognize how it had lost its way - iirc post-R&H was the closest they came to breaking up, at least post October - and made a conscious effort to change, which resulted in Achtung Baby. I don't think they would have done that had they not made this album and movie and had their missteps documented and mocked for all to see, including themselves.

    Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 January 2018 13:51 (one week ago) Permalink

    I don't think there are any missteps!

    the pinefox, Friday, 12 January 2018 14:06 (one week ago) Permalink

    Well, technically speaking...
    http://www.gifbin.com/bin/052015/1431971132_u2s_the_edge_falls_off_the_stage.gif

    willem, Friday, 12 January 2018 14:08 (one week ago) Permalink

    Yes but not on RATTLE AND HUM! :D

    the pinefox, Friday, 12 January 2018 14:09 (one week ago) Permalink

    The missteps are mostly tonal, like Bono's introductions or "play the blues!" or their faux naive embrace of Americana. This is the last band in the world that should be paying tribute to BB King or Elvis or Hendrix, let alone the Beatles or Lennon.

    Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 January 2018 15:11 (one week ago) Permalink

    But 'play the blues' is exciting!

    the pinefox, Friday, 12 January 2018 15:22 (one week ago) Permalink

    In a sense it redefines the blues.

    the pinefox, Friday, 12 January 2018 15:22 (one week ago) Permalink

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg48S4Ino0k

    This is much more like the band stuff in Depeche Mode's 101 i always felt. As MaresNest suggests it's way more fun that Rattle. I think the cheap film stock helps.

    piscesx, Friday, 12 January 2018 15:37 (one week ago) Permalink

    Wow, this looks tremendous!

    the pinefox, Friday, 12 January 2018 15:49 (one week ago) Permalink

    "put El Salvador through the amp"

    lmao

    Keak da Sneaky Dianne (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 12 January 2018 17:29 (one week ago) Permalink

    XXP - it's very good indeed, but there should be a longer cut of it floating about somewhere, 31' seems way too short.

    MaresNest, Friday, 12 January 2018 23:44 (one week ago) Permalink

    Can't think of another track they've done as loose as 'Desire'.

    campreverb, Saturday, 13 January 2018 00:01 (one week ago) Permalink

    Desire was the song that brought me into the U2 fold as a kid though i don't rate it as highly now. the two songs i mentioned above i think achieve everything they set out to do. Hawkmoon just sounds massive and Heartland is a great haunted epic, i especially like both the delivery *and* the lyrics here especially:

    See the sunrise over her skin
    She feels like water in my hand
    Freeway, like a river
    Cuts through this land
    Into the side of love
    Like a burning spear
    And the poison rain
    Like dirty tears
    Through the ghostranch hills
    Death Valley waters
    In the towers of steel
    Belief goes on and on

    omar little, Saturday, 13 January 2018 00:09 (one week ago) Permalink

    In fact, let's grit our teeth, and go through all the Hat Tips on Rattle & Hum:
    stealing Helter Skelter "back" on behalf of the Beatles
    dedicating The Edge's effort to poet John Boyle O'Reilly, and dissing him in the sleevenotes
    sticking Dylan on inaudible Hammond on Hawkmoon 269 (and Honey Cone on backing vocals)
    Dylan again / Hendrix on All Along The Watchtower, because there's no chance of bathos there
    yuk, I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For goes gospel with the New Voices Of Freedom
    Hey, Sterling Magee, Bobby Robinson & Macie Mabins, would you like 0:38 on our bloated album?
    the brass nerve of "for Billie Holiday" on Angel Of Harlem: how wonderful it would be to hear which curse words she would use if she heard it
    Bono and Bob set the Bible to music and Bob does backing vox on Love Rescue Me
    Ladies and Gentlemen, Mister BB King
    of *course
    Eno is doing keyboards on Heartland -- a song you forget while you're listening to it
    "for John Lennon", because God needed a sanctimonious updating
    hey, dead Jimi Hendirx, would you like 0:43 on our bloated record, on which the guitars are also quite good?
    "put El Salvador through the amp"
    and after the rattle, the hum: Van Dyke Parks on All I Want Is You
    "thanks to Tim Buckley"?!
    the Spinal Tap Gracelands moments

    immortal post

    she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 13 January 2018 01:04 (one week ago) Permalink

    I see Bateau got to that two days back my bad

    she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 13 January 2018 01:05 (one week ago) Permalink

    My old friend Matt used to refer to it as Prattle and Yawn. One of his wittier remarks. He also kept a Best of Eric Clapton 8-track, pierced by a heated screwdriver, as a mantle piece. I miss that guy.

    VyrnaKnowlIsAHeadbanger, Saturday, 13 January 2018 15:53 (one week ago) Permalink


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