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Talk to me about Wilderness. Ryan Pitchfork's review of their self-titled album referenced all the right bands to pique my interest: Talk Talk, Bark Psychosis, Disco Inferno, PiL, Talking Heads, etc. And the cover art is nifty. So has anyone heard this yet?

sleep (sleep), Friday, 24 June 2005 15:13 (twelve years ago) Permalink

No I haven't but I know a guy who does. I'm getting it later.

Michael Costello (MichaelCostello1), Friday, 24 June 2005 15:16 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Just throwing down some first impressions, sorry if this isn't totally cohesive.

This is good, and definitely worth a few listens. My only problem with it is that it's a bit on the monochromatic side in terms of the sonic pallete. The guitars are probably the most guilty offenders in this respect - the ringing, reverbed tones are employed nicely, often more for color than for tracing out a melody (the closest comparison I can come up with is the untitled opening track of Turn on the Bright Lights), but over the course of the album I'd say they're consistent to a fault. The drums and bass are both excellent and varied; the latter takes the traditional supporting role most of the time, but actually provides the most memorable melody on the most immediately gratifying song, "Marginal Over." The vocals (called-out, declared, and sometimes yelped) do invoke Byrne and maybe Lydon, and they're mixed particularly well to these ears: they sound a bit distant, so they work well with the rest of the music instead of overpowering and distracting.

One track that stands out is "Shepherd in Sheep's Clothing." It opens with a muted looped recording of sheep noises(?) and other things going in the background. A somber instrumental fades in over it and, for a short while, the instruments and recorded sounds mix and yield a complex texture reminiscent of Disco Inferno.

There are epic (in the Explosions in the Sky sense) moments scattered throughout the album and it's certainly a gratifying listen. But excepting "Shepherd", the explosive opener "Marginal Over" and the closing piano bit, I find the rest of the songs on the album difficult to distinguish from one another (or even remember clearly). Maybe after a few more listens...

sleep (sleep), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 18:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

the album is very SAMEY. the drummer seems self-taught, but very creative. the bass is low and booming. the singer is annoying but bearable within the context of the band.

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 19:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

(Where by "pallete" I mean "palette") xpost

Also, I feel like a 90 Day Men comparison might be appropriate, but I haven't listened to them in months so my memory's a bit murky on them as well.

sleep (sleep), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 19:20 (twelve years ago) Permalink

maybe, but 90 day men definitely have a much more varied sonic "pallete"...

however, equally annoying singing.

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 19:21 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i think maybe the artwork is influencing that comparison as well!

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 19:22 (twelve years ago) Permalink

haha, good call

yeah, 90dm not quite as samey, but the singing and mid-tempo "post-rock" song structures (and cover art!) are comparable I guess.

sleep (sleep), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 20:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

wanted to like it, but I agree with most everyone above. looks like are finally on the same page with this one cutty.

breezy, Tuesday, 28 June 2005 20:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

hmmm...I like 90 Day Men...esp. latter period stuff where they are more arty and arch...i might check this out...

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 20:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

is this samey in a good way, though like My Bloody Valentine?

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 20:58 (twelve years ago) Permalink

looks like are finally on the same page with this one cutty.

yeah, but i had to restrain myself from posting on your "pfork" thread.

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 20:58 (twelve years ago) Permalink

b/c it enraged you so much?

breezy, Tuesday, 28 June 2005 20:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink

matt, it's samey in a way that usually you can't instantly distinguish one song from the other.

tempos, tones, and volumes stay fairly constant throughout.

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 20:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink

b/c it enraged you so much?

maybe.

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 21:00 (twelve years ago) Permalink

oh cutty. let's not get all angry again. it doesn't suit you or me either for that matter.
are you in the "stop bitching" camp or something?

breezy, Tuesday, 28 June 2005 21:00 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I don't hear any commonalities between the last two 90 Day Men and Wilderness. Save your money, Matt.

The Wilderness is alright. Sleep is OTM. The songs suffer from sameness. Very early 80s in feel with lots of ethereal guitar, JD/Pil style rhythm section, and quirky vocals a la David Byrne/David Thomas.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 21:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

seems mr. schrieber is on a david byrne kick lately with his two most recent best new music choices

breezy, Tuesday, 28 June 2005 21:03 (twelve years ago) Permalink

my two bits...
http://www.pataphysics-lab.com/dotdotdot/2005/07/07/boxes-with-wldrnss-on-them/

jd comparisons are probably warranted. their previous bands had the jd style rhythms. (or rem style rhythms depending on your pov.)

i'm not really sure where jay is coming from re:vocals. something to note tho... this band has been together for 10 years and the previous band had similarities.

my complaint might be that it reminds me too much of tristeza at times. and yeah, it's samey... but note that lungfish is as well and i know that's at least an ideological influence.

good guys tho. and a good band. see them live. no chumps here.
m.

msp (mspa), Thursday, 7 July 2005 18:10 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i wish "samey" was an allmusic style descriptor.

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 7 July 2005 19:01 (twelve years ago) Permalink

so you could look for samey bands and buy their records?

Michael Cuthbert, Thursday, 7 July 2005 19:37 (twelve years ago) Permalink

samey vs. cohesive...

m.

msp (mspa), Thursday, 7 July 2005 19:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink

samey vs. "concept" album

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 7 July 2005 19:47 (twelve years ago) Permalink

also, another wilderness favorite was cocteau twins ... which i think makes some sense given the way the melodies often work.
m.

msp (mspa), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 03:40 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I like this record a whole lot, but agree with the assessment that it all runs together by the end. My girlfriend pointed out the vocal similarities between the singer and Alan Partridge, and now I cannot hear the record without going "A-Ha!"

PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 13:49 (twelve years ago) Permalink

this album was not made for me.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 13:51 (twelve years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
I like this album very much.

The sameyness doesn't bother me. I like it...it's got a good mood...love the improv piano thing at the end too...good closer.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 29 August 2005 17:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Well, this record is really unbearable. Sorry about that, I tried hard to love them, but I couldn't.

zeus, Monday, 29 August 2005 17:27 (twelve years ago) Permalink

your loss.

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 29 August 2005 17:29 (twelve years ago) Permalink

also, people that complain about the singer are MENTAL!

the singing is the best part!

the drummer in my band made a good comparison to Lungfish...like a sort of wierd, Brit post-punk Lungfish with the Edge playing guitar.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 29 August 2005 17:31 (twelve years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
this band kills.

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 7 October 2005 03:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Hmm, yes, must investigate.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 October 2005 03:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Weird. I've been listening to this for the past two hours.

kurt broder (dr g), Friday, 7 October 2005 03:48 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I really like that part near the end of 'Arkless'. After the stuttering 'the object is dismay' build-up, when it all gets released. His voice sounds so great.

sffd, Friday, 7 October 2005 04:53 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I downloaded this a month or 2 ago and i really really like it. I need to buy it.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Friday, 7 October 2005 09:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

top ten 2005...FER SURE.

ddb (ddb), Friday, 7 October 2005 20:43 (twelve years ago) Permalink

top five.

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 7 October 2005 20:51 (twelve years ago) Permalink

still loving it. def. top 10 material.....i think dude is a brilliant lyricists, in his own strange way...i like the way the constantly repeated little phrases seem to suggest some greater depth that may/may not actually be there...

some of the best drumming of the year as well....guitar playing captures all the things i like about u2 without actually being u2

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 7 October 2005 21:03 (twelve years ago) Permalink

the dude has mental stage presence as well.

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 7 October 2005 21:04 (twelve years ago) Permalink

it's sort of a combination of him doing the robot and playing an invisible theremin to the music.

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 7 October 2005 21:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

HE IS HELLA WEIRD.

the guitar player makes chipmunk faces during jamage parts....its annoying.

ddb (ddb), Friday, 7 October 2005 21:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

it's sort of a combination of him doing the robot and playing an invisible theremin to the music.

haha that's awesome! I hoped he would be wierd onstage....did you guys see Gang of Four on the new tour (or ever?)...I imagine him having stage movts like Jon King when I saw them a few months ago....do Wilderness tour much? I don't think they've been thru Mpls..

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 7 October 2005 21:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I've seen them twice in the span of 2 months...so

ddb (ddb), Friday, 7 October 2005 21:17 (twelve years ago) Permalink

wilderness:PiL :: interpol:joy division

kurt broder (dr g), Friday, 7 October 2005 21:23 (twelve years ago) Permalink

dean yr saying u dont hear the PiL????

cause i do...only it's later PiL...it's weird that people would say "wilderness" and "second editon"....when they should be saying "wilderness" and "9"

ddb (ddb), Friday, 7 October 2005 21:27 (twelve years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
this sounds a little like u2 fronted by a david byrne impersonator (marginal over) except with more 'rock' drumming, with lots of open hihats (not a plus!); maybe itd be better if they let the drummer be as MATH as he seems to want to be? throw this one on the postpunk revival pile; i get none of the menace of PiL or grandeur of DI from this, just a half-assed epicness.

thgjyujybujbuubiuiuuubbububibiubuibuibuiuibuib@`, Friday, 13 January 2006 20:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I did buy this cd btw.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

saw them last night, one of those shows that wasn't a disaster, yet disappointing enough somehow to make me likely never to play the album again. and i liked the album. but i don't like the singer. he mocked new york city at the end of the set, how rock is that

gregor vox (Gregor Vox), Saturday, 14 January 2006 00:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Aren't they from the Boston area? Mocking NYC is people from Boston do. Get over yerself.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 14 January 2006 04:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

they are from baltimore.

cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 14 January 2006 05:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

the eastern seaboard is a blur to me.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 14 January 2006 06:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Being stuck in summer weather this late in december has had a totally fucked effect on my listening patterns. Wilderness just seems so right these past few weeks, but I can't find any information about any forthcoming records seeing as how their site is down. Anybody heard anything promising lately or are these guys history?

ryborg3k, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 05:40 (nine years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Wilderness are playing a few west coast dates starting tonight:

4/10/08 -- San Francisco, CA @ 12 Galaxies w/ Scout Niblett
4/11/08 -- Modesto, CA @ Cafe Deva (1202 J St.) w/ Trees & Vines
4/12/08 -- Los Angeles, CA @ Spaceland w/ Scout Niblett, film projections by artist Charles Long
4/14/08 -- San Diego, CA @ The Casbah w/ Kill Me Tomorrow.

Here's an official news update from Jagjaguwar, which has a link to a clip of their recent performance with Charles Long at the Whitney Biennial.

New album on the way, apparently! I really liked the self-titled record and thought Vessel States was OK, not nearly as striking as the first one. But yeah, color me curious about the new material! I plan to be at the SF show tonight.

mike mike, Thursday, 10 April 2008 19:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

Vessel States was OK, not nearly as striking as the first one.

Too similar in tone and style and pacing to the first one, for me. But yeah, I'm curious about new material, too.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 10 April 2008 19:45 (nine years ago) Permalink

thirded

Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 10 April 2008 22:39 (nine years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

so the new one leaked

A bold plan drawn up by assholes to screw morons (dan m), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 15:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

haven't been able to listen yet but v excited

A bold plan drawn up by assholes to screw morons (dan m), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 15:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

I like it.

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 16:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

i loved that first record, still need to get the second one....

M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 16:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

REALLY? i thought they had broken up. was listening to the first album just this weekend. amazing.

cutty, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 17:39 (nine years ago) Permalink

I've listened to it a couple of times now and I like it. The song where the Journey-ish bg vocals come in was good and also lol-inducing.

A bold plan drawn up by assholes to screw morons (dan m), Thursday, 18 September 2008 04:49 (nine years ago) Permalink

the guitarist's solo project LORD DOG BIRD is v v v v different and waaaay better.

sean gramophone, Thursday, 18 September 2008 15:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

Never heard of that. Must check it out. Thanks!

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 18 September 2008 15:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

"chinese whisperers" holy shit

cutty, Thursday, 18 September 2008 15:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

The song where the Journey-ish bg vocals come in was good and also lol-inducing.

What song from the second album were you referring to? Weird, 'cause the P4K review of the third album mentions "keening backing vocals (which, somewhat disconcertingly, recall Journey's Steve Perry)." If I had to pick a current band to be "The New Journey," Wilderness wouldn't be it.

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 27 November 2009 05:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

http://www.wildernesssounds.com/

?¿?

☀ ☃ (am0n), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 15:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

Bummer. I just got into their debut album, too - not as enamored with the follow-up.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 15:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

were you looking for wilderness news am0n

full government name (cutty), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 15:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

the joy division song: classic. the band: unbeknownst to me.

alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 15:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

yes cutty and the news is "This Account Has Been Suspended Due To Technical OR Billing Problem"

☀ ☃ (am0n), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 15:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

wildernesssounds.com expired on 10/05/2010 and is pending renewal or deletion.

am0n, Friday, 5 November 2010 20:42 (six years ago) Permalink

(k)no(w)here is dope

am0n, Friday, 5 November 2010 20:45 (six years ago) Permalink

everything they've done is dope, if a little same-y.

this band should be much bigger. and they need a new album, pronto.

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 6 November 2010 00:42 (six years ago) Permalink

I love this band especially the self titled despite my problem with bands with forced-sounding vocal weirdness.

I will always think of you, while (quite) fondly, myself (Evan), Monday, 8 November 2010 23:48 (six years ago) Permalink

And the lead singer swears he hadn't heard Public Image Ltd before!

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 01:31 (six years ago) Permalink

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 9 November 2010 01:33 (six years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
two years pass...

good god, the guitar in "Marginal Over" is so exquisite.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 20:59 (two years ago) Permalink

the vocals... what the hell is going on

Poliopolice, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 22:37 (two years ago) Permalink

it sounds like he's parodying something... but what?

Poliopolice, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 22:37 (two years ago) Permalink

80s adult contemporary music

hammer smashed nagls (mattresslessness), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 22:39 (two years ago) Permalink

you guys really get butthurt about your music, huh

Poliopolice, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 22:40 (two years ago) Permalink

he sounds kind of like David Byrne crossed with Fred Schneider

Poliopolice, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 22:41 (two years ago) Permalink

lol had you never heard this before? I think John Lydon mid-80s PIL is the cleanest comparison vocal-wise.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 22:52 (two years ago) Permalink

I hadn't heard it before but I liked some of the bands referred to in the opening post so I thought I'd check it out. Can't say it reminds me too much of the bands mentioned, to be honest. The U2 touchpoint mentioned above seemed more fitting; I can at least hear some elements of U2 in this. I wasn't familiar with 80s PIL, but I'm listening to that now, and it's not a bad reference for the vocals. I do find the singing very distracting with this musical backdrop though... like I said, it almost sounds like he's parodying something.

Poliopolice, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 00:53 (two years ago) Permalink

i was also unfamiliar with wilderness. listening to the 1st album now, they kinda sound like kitchens of distinction fronted by david yow. jmtc

cock chirea, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 01:49 (two years ago) Permalink

i love this band so much

maura, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 04:09 (two years ago) Permalink

Oh man, always surprising to see Wilderness discussion. Still listen to their albums regularly. Love them so so much as well.

Evan, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 05:05 (two years ago) Permalink

Every time this post pops up and reminds me to listen to the first album I get so fucking happy.

Oblique Strategies, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 05:21 (two years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGQDCdvkeNA

am0n, Friday, 13 May 2016 15:53 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

this was a pretty good band, what happened to them?

na (NA), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 14:32 (one week ago) Permalink

funny i just ran across this CD (the debut), stands up great! excellent PIL worship

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 15:14 (one week ago) Permalink

Love this album forever

Evan, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 15:36 (one week ago) Permalink

this was a pretty good band, what happened to them?

― na (NA), Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:32 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Every few months I ask myself the same question.

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 15:50 (one week ago) Permalink

they were great, played their CD a few months back. Feel in the mood to play it again now

starving street dogs of punk rock (Odysseus), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:16 (one week ago) Permalink

i might be crazy but i hear a little bit of their sound in protomartyr. might just be a shared lungfish influence.

na (NA), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:20 (one week ago) Permalink


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