Swans: Classic or Dud?

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I'm only starting to get familiar with their really early stuff, which seems like it could be just the right medicine when you need it--and also seems like it could literally wrench loose your bowels. I'm very intrigued by the guitar/drums/bass interplay (Does that mean I like beating my head against a cement wall by analogy?), and as of yet I can't decide how to treat Gira's vocals. I'd like to have your opinions on these guys... what about their later stuff, too?

Clarke B., Saturday, 17 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Classic of course. I have a live-album "Kill the Child" that catches Swans in full glory, almost religious music in that you expect the sky to open up and turn red, or something like that. Musically impecable, although Gira as a lyricist can be somewhat of a whiner. Later stuff is allright but not as shocking, it's a interesting take on psychedelica.

Omar, Saturday, 17 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

CLASSIC. Not only classic, but in a class all by itself. What compares to "Children of God/World of Skin" or "Soundtracks for the Blind"? The latter feels more like movies than music. You listen to it in awe a few times when you first get it, straight through. Then, you rarely have to listen to it again. Not because it's not good, just because it was so powerful. Like with a good movie, you don't want to overwatch it.

SWANS albums for repeat listens: "Omniscience" is a great live rockgoth thing, as is "Swans Are Dead". "The Great Annihilator" is one of my all time favorite CDs. The recently released "Various Failures" is fantastic. The earlier industrial Swans stuff I can do without.

Newer Michael Gira stuff like "Body Lovers" and "Angels of Light" continue to dazzle and delight in ways similar but different from Swans. I recommend Body Lovers, at least. It's one continuous album with 9 reference points, so you can fast forward or rewind, but there are no breaks in the music. Perfect for zoning out or on the subway. Gets freaky, of course. Angels of Light were fantastic when I saw them live, unfortunately the LIVE cd they released of the show had pretty poor production. The studio release by Angels of Light called "New Mother" was okay, but some of it, though amazingly produced, just bored me.

Them fellers sure can be oppressive, though. That's why I go through phases. In all actuality, I really don't listen to them too much anymore just because it's so depressing. I'd rather be happy.

, Saturday, 17 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Saw them in 1985 supporting the Fall at Heaven. Possibly the most extreme gig I've ever seen. They deserve some respect for going that far.

I have heard few of their albums. Those that I have heard have been among the most negative, miserable, pointless pieces of music that I have ever encountered. No doubt Gira would in some way approve of this reaction. I couldn't care less. Dud.

Dr. C, Saturday, 17 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

The first two records are all I really need, though it's all good.

Otis Wheeler, Saturday, 17 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Pfft...I dunno. I have "The great annihilator" but I must have listened to it twice. I got another album of thiers years ago (cant remember the name of it but it had a long title and there was a rabbit on it)and it was shite. Maybe there earlier stuff is better, I'm not too pushed.

Michael Bourke, Saturday, 17 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Classic but ever-evolving -- meaning that the early stuff is no indication at all of how most of the later material is. They have a definite nadir -- _The Burning World_, perhaps unsurprisingly also the only major label album they did -- but the high points are numerous. _Various Failures_ nicely excerpts the one or two good tracks from _Burning World_ plus a slew of stuff from _White Light..._, _Love of Life_ and _Ten Songs From Another World_, which shows the band moving well into the realm of more conventionally dramatic, folk-influenced music -- an oversimplification, but you'll be able to hear the contrast. _Soundtracks for the Blind_ was the last studio album and is worth it as both a kind of career overview in terms of sonic approach and for the bemusing fact that "The Helpless Child" essentially invents Godspeed You Black Emperor. ;-) Etc. etc. -- my reviews at the AMG go into all this if you'd like to find out more.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 17 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Don't listen to the naysayers. Swans can't be judged by one or two albums, anyway, and it sounds like the people who hate them are only familiar with about that much. Perhaps their earlier, more abrasive work is considered "classic" by some, but it's my absolute least favorite. You never hear people saying, "I got Beatles' "Rubber Soul" and it's the gayest piece of crap I ever heard" and effectively dismissing all beatles music, right? Later Swans material is some of the most intricate and best-produced music there is. It's on the oppressive/ depressive vibe, but nowhere near the earlier "Holy Money" kind of stuff. It's more melancholy-- and there's plenty of melancholy bands out there. You choose to listen to it when it suits you. I'd suggest "Children of God/World of Skin" as your very next Swans purchase. The variation in that album from the first song to the second song, alone, will probably suprise you. But, there's also a dramatic difference from disc one to disc two. Disc one is a little more rocking and disc two is a little more spiritual, almost gospel sounding. "Breathing Water" is one of the creepiest, beautiful songs there is. Must be heard to be believed.

, Sunday, 18 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ever felt that the music you always hear is too full of warmth, liveliness, humor, rocking and melody ? Well, the Swans get rid of all that useless baggage, which I'm sure is a relief to some people. A monster dud.

The Burning World had a few, uh, songs on it. Bet their cult thinks it's a sell-out.

Patrick, Sunday, 18 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ahem. I don't consider _Burning World_ a sellout, just dull -- a far different thing, if only because sellouts should at least theoretically show *some* sort of commercial appeal. The fact that your sweeping statement regarding the band's work in general appears to be based on a listen of only the stuff they recorded up through 1986 or so as opposed to perhaps listening to anything from _White Light..._ onward I'll let pass without mentioning.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 18 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

True, Ned, I haven't heard anything from them since The Burning World (1989, right ?) so I grant that they might have improved since then. I don't have much hope for Michael Gira's sense of humor, but maybe they found a way out of the doom-and-gloom ?

Patrick, Sunday, 18 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

classic for the relentless grind of _body to body job to job_. early swans is some of the most cathartic music ever. _children of god_ is great if you're in the mood, ridiculous if you're not. jarboe was an unfortunate addition to the band. i actually liked _burning world_, though i couldn't imagine listening now. i have less interest in what i've heard of the 90s stuff.

sundar subramanian, Sunday, 18 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Michael Gira is fucking hilarious. Taken past a certain point, humorlessness becomes its antithesis. The 80's needed him just to counteract the 'humor' of They Might Be Giants.

Otis Wheeler, Monday, 19 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Actually, Gira is pretty humorous and has a sense of humor, too. At least, live he does. I think the music is supposed to be dark and humorless. You know, like, happy bands don't usually write death songs? It's the same kinda thing. Gira gets points for making the starkest, most oppressive music I've ever heard and making it still sound "pretty". If you don't think Swans sound pretty, it's because you're still judging them by their earliest work, which, in my opinion, hasn't aged well, but is still the best industrial music I've heard (comparing only to the little I know: Skinny Puppy, NIN, Ministry, Einsterzende Neubauten, Front 242... I hate industrial music with a passion).

But, it is funny that humorless music can be "hilarious" since "humorous" music can really piss me off- like Ween for instance. Sometimes they're annoying as hell.

, Monday, 19 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I doubt that They Might Be Giants were so pervasive in the 80s that they necessited a reaction all on their own. Maybe Mr Mister did. Actually, since the Swans were around before TMBG, maybe TMBG *was* the counteraction. But yeah, bands that set out to be humorous at all times are as much of an annoyance as the ones who are about being dark and depressed at all times. Whether it's laughs or anger or sadness, I kinda prefer when they're just sorta part of the package, rather than something entire genres are based on.

Patrick, Monday, 19 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Forgive me for wandering in from the Killing Joke debate, but SWANS are local legends around my part of the woods, so I couldn't stop m'self from chiming in. Actually, I'm not here to praise nor damn Gira's gang, but rather suggest checking out a couple of bands largely spawned by Swans' influece, Brooklyn's late-lamented COP SHOOT COP and Tod Ashley's Firewater.

alex, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

seven months pass...
cop shoot cop sounded like gary numan doing springsteen numbers

bob snoom, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
saw gira live in london last nite. i understand now. crushes like churches

zemko (bob), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 11:50 (nineteen years ago) link

thought this might have been revived.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 13:14 (nineteen years ago) link

no one else went? andrew l?

zemko (bob), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 17:38 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah he told me at the last FAP that he was.

(I didn't as I'm working late for this stupid presentation tomorrow therefore I am jealous: did gira scream the word 'mother' at any point during the gig?)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 17:42 (nineteen years ago) link

"Grindin" is like a vintage Swans song, not just sonically (drums like an endless row of scrap-metal monoliths collapsing on a burnt and barren wasteland) but thematically. Both Clipse and Swans find social reality at the intersection of sex, money, and power. They view everything else as pretty fluff, designed to obscure the harsh truth.

The difference is, Gira and Co. sound traumatized by this discovery, whereas Malice and Pusha T sound like they're doing a gleeful dance.

EC, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Classic. Most of what's been mentioned is their refined stuff.

Being a masocist I especially love the brutal Cop/Holy Money
period - most people would find this stuff horrible, but given
a bit more listening one may be able to experience this amazing
feeling of ? - too hard to describe, but it compliments such
painful things like exercise, washing dishes etc.

Anyone heard the live disc 'Public Castration is a Good Idea'?
This out-heavies anything I've ever heard...

KF ., Tuesday, 8 February 2005 12:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't believe I didn't say anything on this thread...surely there must be another one somewhere on the board, because I vaguely remember saying that I'm a White Light From the Mouth of Infinity man, but that I still love the grind of the early stuff, and even the ultrapolished The Burning World. I really have to be in the mood to get into the early early early stuff though.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I own the double disc Cop/Young God/Greed/Holy Money and the live albums Public Castration Is A Good Idea and Feel Good Now. I like all of 'em, especially PCIAGI, which really needs to be played as loud as your stereo will possibly go. One of my favorite Godflesh songs, "Love, Hate (Slugbaiting)" is like this album condensed down to ten minutes in an attempt to climb the charts. That, too, should be played at absurd volume. I used to own Soundtracks For The Blind and didn't like it that much - it seemed like capitulation to me. Never heard anything from the in-between years.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 17:21 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...
Classic. But you must be in the mood for some of their work.

J.H. Malerman (xada_hgla), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 19:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Completely classic. Anyone who likes music of ANY kind could find something to like in their broad, vast array of sounds and moods. One of my top three groups ever, in every incarnation. And I started at BURNING WORLD, working backward and forward and deep into all the solo stuff - it can be done!

Gira's book THE CONSUMER also so, so recommended.

matt the queeg (veal), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 21:55 (fifteen years ago) link

If Swans lyric sheets make me roffle, am I a sick fuck?

Marmot (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 21:59 (fifteen years ago) link

No, especially if you're laughing at the story that came on the insert to Cop.

Utterly, timelessly CLASSIC.

sleeve version 2.0 (sleeve testing), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 22:22 (fifteen years ago) link

I just have Cop on the double disc comp, no story - is that online somewhere?

I just mean all the terse little statements of complete hopelessness in the lyrics. I get about three lines in and completely lose my shit.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 22:27 (fifteen years ago) link

If Swans lyric sheets make me roffle, am I a sick fuck?

No, it means you're the right audience.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 22:49 (fifteen years ago) link

You can't get much more hopeless than "god damn the sun."

Butt Dickass (Dick Butkus), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 22:53 (fifteen years ago) link


latebloomer scrabbly dabbly doo (skawreeng) (latebloomer), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 22:55 (fifteen years ago) link

Random thoughts:
Gira and Jarboe are 2 of the musicians I could easily imagine being psycho killers.

When I saw Angels of Light play Tonic, he drank a full pint of whiskey in a glass filled from behind the bar and didn't seem in the least bit drunk. After the show, he went and got a refill and mingled like he was at an art opening or something.

His writing is pretty disturbing.

Jarboe seems to have severe mental problems. Oh yeah, and so does Gira.

Butt Dickass (Dick Butkus), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 22:59 (fifteen years ago) link

Look, you people don't understand. I saw Jarboe at Bumbershoot a few weeks ago. She was fucking fantastic. In the daytime even. She came out into the audience and sang to a few audience members personally one at a time, including me. I was so embarassed to realize everyone was looking at me. She held her hand out and I held her hand. Then her voice got louder and she looked into my eyes and sang louder and I was afraid. I was really afraid in that moment.

-- Ficky Stingers (bimble87...), Sunday 1:33 AM. (Bimble...) (later) (link)

best/scariest/best thing ever.
Weird that two completely different Swans C or D threads just got revived a few days apart. Here's the other:
Classic or Dud: Swans

Marmot (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 23:25 (fifteen years ago) link

(Haha ok, they were revived by the same guy)

Marmot (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 23:27 (fifteen years ago) link

five months pass...
I've pulled out my vinyl copy of Greed. I haven't heard it in ages. But I remember Holy Money being better and that is going to be played next.

Bimble, Sunday, 18 March 2007 02:05 (fifteen years ago) link

holy money is maybe better but the song 'greed' is perhaps the best thing swans ever did.

stirmonster, Sunday, 18 March 2007 03:29 (fifteen years ago) link


Such uplifting music, hah!

I was remembering that Holy Money was the first record I ever bought of the Swans. I bought it on a sheer whim for a few bucks, used. The first time I heard it I was sure I'd wasted my money. It was like "what is this crap?" But gradually I started to understand it. I didn't go nuts over them until Children of God, though.

Bimble, Sunday, 18 March 2007 04:33 (fifteen years ago) link

two months pass...

OK...Happy Ned...Did this already...but isn't exactly what I was looking for anyway...

Screw this....

I'm gonna give up on the Swans...

Aja, Monday, 28 May 2007 05:55 (fifteen years ago) link

Filth is one of my all-time favorite albums. I'd recommend that one, but it may not be the best convince-me-otherwise album.

Ivan, Monday, 28 May 2007 06:42 (fifteen years ago) link

Its Aja!

Trayce, Monday, 28 May 2007 06:42 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, hi....

I find it funny that my thread was locked so soon...

Anyway, I was bored and wanted to see what was up in these parts...I really should be getting to sleep though...

Aja, Monday, 28 May 2007 06:45 (fifteen years ago) link

I think it's funny that you say "screw this" because Swans have a song called A Screw don't they? Heheh.

Bimble, Monday, 28 May 2007 07:04 (fifteen years ago) link

Also there is some really fantastic Swans stuff on You Tube. But in all honesty, Swans are not a band I would likely try to argue with someone into liking the way I would, say, Led Zeppelin or even the Fall. I find it perfectly understandable that some folks will never get Swans.

Bimble, Monday, 28 May 2007 07:08 (fifteen years ago) link

I think it's funny that you say "screw this" because Swans have a song called A Screw don't they? Heheh.

-- Bimble, Monday, May 28, 2007 7:04 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

They do? Gosh...is it any good? Or is it really slow and weird...

Aja, Monday, 28 May 2007 07:11 (fifteen years ago) link

Well there are two different versions I found.

This one is a more beefed up version of the album version with horns and a heavy industrial beat:


This one is a live performance, and more bare-bones, truer to their early material and I prefer it:


Bimble, Monday, 28 May 2007 07:16 (fifteen years ago) link

Of course this is before they became a lot more listenable, pretty and mellow.

Bimble, Monday, 28 May 2007 07:18 (fifteen years ago) link


Interesting. I'll leave it at that.

Aja, Monday, 28 May 2007 07:19 (fifteen years ago) link

I got into the first couple of albums for a while, saw them live, then gradually decided that life was just too short for Gira's schtick. Haven't listened to them for ten years.

I have a promo copy of 'Cop' which was issued to Radio Forth, our local top forty station, a thought that makes me laugh every time I flick past it on the stack.

Soukesian, Monday, 28 May 2007 07:23 (fifteen years ago) link

(note: the functionality itself isn't stupid, it's my neurosis about deleted messages contributing to it)

PJD PDJ DPJ (DJP), Friday, 19 May 2017 20:15 (five years ago) link

two months pass...


Josh in Chicago, Friday, 11 August 2017 15:35 (four years ago) link

Good news ! pic.twitter.com/YuE3UhfEmU

— thor harris (@thorharris666) August 10, 2017

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 11 August 2017 15:35 (four years ago) link

nine months pass...



StanM, Friday, 18 May 2018 17:47 (four years ago) link

I just saw Thor with that Israeli garage rock dude from Monotonix.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 May 2018 18:09 (four years ago) link

two months pass...

JUst reading Sacrifice and Transcendence which is great.

Gira comes across as not being a wonderful person to work for, more driven than fellow feeling.

& it has me wondering
where Virgil Moorefield came in. I just checked the line up of the Foetus band on Rife and it has Ted Parsons on it. I thought that was Foetus fronting the same band that had played as Swans in London that week.
& I've always had the heavy folk rock band I loved in '88 as being the same band as Children of God i.e. with Ted Parsons so am I remembering that wrong. Can't think how many times the band hit london that year. I remember seeing them in Edinburgh in '89 with Vinniwe Signorelli who went onto Unsane on drums. & I think I do recognise Virgil from somewhere.

ah well, great book which has had me wanting to read it continually. Love it.

Stevolende, Sunday, 22 July 2018 18:32 (three years ago) link

Yes! I really enjoyed it too, the chain of events after he quit school and started travelling is insane.

MaresNest, Sunday, 22 July 2018 19:15 (three years ago) link

As I recall it Ted Parsons left to do Prong full time after 1987, to be replaced by Virgil Moorefield for one tour in 1988. By the following tour it was Vincent Signorelli. Gira never was that great at holding a line-up together...

Category: Animist Rock (Matt #2), Sunday, 22 July 2018 22:44 (three years ago) link

Rife was recorded at the Town & Country club during the same week that Butthole Surfers played the Brixton Academy, Harry Crews played the mean Fiddler and a couple of other things that I can't think of right now were on. I think that was '88.
I can't see credits on the live sets i have from that year. & it is 30 years ago. I did see that Rife seems to credit Ted, and i thought it was pretty much the same band playing behind 2 different singers. 1 as foetus Corruptus the other as Swans. THough of course jarboe waouldn't have been in both.
So am I remembering wrong.
I just sent a question to Ted Parsons so may get a clearer response.

Stevolende, Sunday, 22 July 2018 23:42 (three years ago) link

According to Wikipedia, the band on Rife is Parsons, Algis Kizys, Norman Westberg and Raymond Watts - so all of the 1987-88 Swans lineup except Gira and Jarboe.

grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 22 July 2018 23:50 (three years ago) link

Male is the one which is Westberg/Kizys/Signorelli (plus David Ouimet from Cop Shoot Cop).

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Sunday, 22 July 2018 23:58 (three years ago) link

Michael gira can go fuck himself

No angel came (Ross), Monday, 23 July 2018 04:47 (three years ago) link

He’s a rapist

No angel came (Ross), Monday, 23 July 2018 04:52 (three years ago) link

To clarify I thought SWANS were among the bands that played London on that week in 88 or very close to it. So the same band performed under 2 different names in the same time frame, behind 2 different singers. Shame that neither Swans or Foetus are on Fromthearchives or I'd have a better picture for when people came and went.
I've had Parsons in my head as the drummer on some music I've remembered as pretty sublime for 3 decades. & only came across Virgil Moorefield as part of the puicture since reading Sacrifice and Transcendence.

& I've been thinking for years that T&C performance by Foetus = Rife. Now not getting a definite confirmation. Only seeing recorded in Europe in 1988 & assuming that London is in Europe to a US artist, not specifically England.

Stevolende, Monday, 23 July 2018 06:55 (three years ago) link

It's very likely that he borrowed Swans, as up to that point live performances were vanishingly rare and mostly consisted of tapes (see interviews with Thirlwell here and here).

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 23 July 2018 11:31 (three years ago) link

i saw Swans at Town & Country round then, possibly that very show -- p sure i can trace my now-persistent tinnitus to it also, i was literally deaf for two or threw hours after >:(

mark s, Monday, 23 July 2018 12:15 (three years ago) link

I think the Town & Country show that was seriously loud was on the '87 tour. I think the Sex God Sex on Feel Good Now is from it.

THought it was pretty awesome. I actually stuck my head in the loudspeaker at the Birmingham show in the same run.
I think my hearing is ok.

Stevolende, Monday, 23 July 2018 12:56 (three years ago) link

i was at that swans at town & country club and the foestus show & also the harry crews gig mentioned. good times, though the foetus show was just ok; he was never really able to do those records justice live.

stirmonster, Monday, 23 July 2018 13:29 (three years ago) link

I have mentioned this elsewhere, but …
i was at the first of the FOETUS T&C gigs in 88.
it was the THAW tour.
and like others, I was under the impression it was SWANS basically.
on the first night of the two gigs, Gary Clail/On-U were support,
and Jim jumped into the audience and beat the shit out of someone in the moshpit while the band continued to trash away.
the bass player spliced his finger due to a string breaking and recoiling around his finger, to which he just pulled it out fast.
blood flew out.
was one of the most dramatic gigs of my life.
and yeah, could be the source of my tinnitus.

mark e, Monday, 23 July 2018 13:37 (three years ago) link


StanM, Thursday, 2 August 2018 18:43 (three years ago) link

"Sun Fucker" might be the most archetypal latter-day Swans song title of all time.

grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 2 August 2018 18:46 (three years ago) link

four months pass...


"New Swans album is now written and will commence recording in March. Many guests will appear. No idea how long it will take to complete. It is not called nucleus, marrow, or meat. None of the songs took a decade to find heat. At some point it will be released."

StanM, Sunday, 9 December 2018 08:03 (three years ago) link

Ooh, another Swans album that I will never willingly listen to

The house from the popular "Our House" song (bernard snowy), Sunday, 9 December 2018 14:03 (three years ago) link

good one

Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 9 December 2018 14:32 (three years ago) link

two months pass...

ok then - but if you want to support the recording of the new album, you can preorder


StanM, Wednesday, 27 February 2019 18:35 (three years ago) link

unpleasant to get this in my inbox today

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 18:36 (three years ago) link


Vapor waif (uptown churl), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 19:03 (three years ago) link

everyone decide to just ignore the assault allegations or what

global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 27 February 2019 19:18 (three years ago) link

well i mean they were so long ago

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 19:23 (three years ago) link

i haven't forgotten
my feelings about the music of swans haven't changed (i still like it) but my feelings about gira the person (which were never great) have depleted further.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 19:41 (three years ago) link

allegations vs truth, art vs artist, look, I don't know, man.

do you want me to stop updating Swans threads if there's news about music?

StanM, Wednesday, 27 February 2019 21:20 (three years ago) link

here we go again

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 27 February 2019 21:25 (three years ago) link

don't get shook again, control yourself this time

omar little, Wednesday, 27 February 2019 21:38 (three years ago) link

Angels of Light have some good tunes, Swans are pretty whatever for me, even before all of that weirdness.

omar little, Wednesday, 27 February 2019 21:40 (three years ago) link

allegations vs truth

oh you mean the admitted rape that went from being "a slanderous lie" to "an unfortunate mistake" within 24 hours?

what ppl still defending the dude don't seem to get is that it was the way he overreacted to the story that was the dealbreaker for many people including myself, all "allegations" (jfc) aside

sold out in presale (sleeve), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 21:44 (three years ago) link

And fwiw re: the Adams effect of fucking with their victims careers too, I have seen Grimm on way too few bills post accusation. Hard to make a tight case for the causality there, admittedly; but even harder to deny its probability id say

Vapor waif (uptown churl), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 23:41 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

I used to go back and forth on whether gybe or swans would be my 'soundtrack to the apocalypse.'

turns out it is THE SWANS

Poptimus Grime (Pillbox), Thursday, 26 March 2020 06:40 (two years ago) link

er.. i mean SWANS

Poptimus Grime (Pillbox), Thursday, 26 March 2020 06:41 (two years ago) link

spelled backward is.. SNAWS

Poptimus Grime (Pillbox), Thursday, 26 March 2020 06:44 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

wow theyre so poorly designed

here 1st (roxymuzak), Sunday, 24 May 2020 15:18 (two years ago) link

idk I like the teeth one

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Sunday, 24 May 2020 15:19 (two years ago) link

do we have a "neat quarantine masks" thread yet

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Sunday, 24 May 2020 15:19 (two years ago) link

There is clearly no level to which Gira will not stoop nowadays. That said, I'd happily wear a Public Castration Is A Good Idea mask.

while the city bleeps (Matt #2), Sunday, 24 May 2020 15:31 (two years ago) link

lots of bands are selling masks tbf

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Sunday, 24 May 2020 15:41 (two years ago) link

some of them not fronted by rapists

Children of Bo-Dom (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:42 (two years ago) link


here 1st (roxymuzak), Sunday, 24 May 2020 19:30 (two years ago) link

sure, just didn't see the big deal on this count

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Sunday, 24 May 2020 20:53 (two years ago) link


no (Left), Sunday, 24 May 2020 21:20 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

new album in 2023 - fundraiser (acoustic versions) & preorder:


StanM, Thursday, 6 January 2022 16:23 (five months ago) link

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