Swans: Classic or Dud?

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I'm only starting to get familiar with their really early stuff, which seems like it could be just the right medicine when you need it--and also seems like it could literally wrench loose your bowels. I'm very intrigued by the guitar/drums/bass interplay (Does that mean I like beating my head against a cement wall by analogy?), and as of yet I can't decide how to treat Gira's vocals. I'd like to have your opinions on these guys... what about their later stuff, too?

Clarke B., Saturday, 17 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Classic of course. I have a live-album "Kill the Child" that catches Swans in full glory, almost religious music in that you expect the sky to open up and turn red, or something like that. Musically impecable, although Gira as a lyricist can be somewhat of a whiner. Later stuff is allright but not as shocking, it's a interesting take on psychedelica.

Omar, Saturday, 17 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

CLASSIC. Not only classic, but in a class all by itself. What compares to "Children of God/World of Skin" or "Soundtracks for the Blind"? The latter feels more like movies than music. You listen to it in awe a few times when you first get it, straight through. Then, you rarely have to listen to it again. Not because it's not good, just because it was so powerful. Like with a good movie, you don't want to overwatch it.

SWANS albums for repeat listens: "Omniscience" is a great live rockgoth thing, as is "Swans Are Dead". "The Great Annihilator" is one of my all time favorite CDs. The recently released "Various Failures" is fantastic. The earlier industrial Swans stuff I can do without.

Newer Michael Gira stuff like "Body Lovers" and "Angels of Light" continue to dazzle and delight in ways similar but different from Swans. I recommend Body Lovers, at least. It's one continuous album with 9 reference points, so you can fast forward or rewind, but there are no breaks in the music. Perfect for zoning out or on the subway. Gets freaky, of course. Angels of Light were fantastic when I saw them live, unfortunately the LIVE cd they released of the show had pretty poor production. The studio release by Angels of Light called "New Mother" was okay, but some of it, though amazingly produced, just bored me.

Them fellers sure can be oppressive, though. That's why I go through phases. In all actuality, I really don't listen to them too much anymore just because it's so depressing. I'd rather be happy.

, Saturday, 17 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Saw them in 1985 supporting the Fall at Heaven. Possibly the most extreme gig I've ever seen. They deserve some respect for going that far.

I have heard few of their albums. Those that I have heard have been among the most negative, miserable, pointless pieces of music that I have ever encountered. No doubt Gira would in some way approve of this reaction. I couldn't care less. Dud.

Dr. C, Saturday, 17 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The first two records are all I really need, though it's all good.

Otis Wheeler, Saturday, 17 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Pfft...I dunno. I have "The great annihilator" but I must have listened to it twice. I got another album of thiers years ago (cant remember the name of it but it had a long title and there was a rabbit on it)and it was shite. Maybe there earlier stuff is better, I'm not too pushed.

Michael Bourke, Saturday, 17 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Classic but ever-evolving -- meaning that the early stuff is no indication at all of how most of the later material is. They have a definite nadir -- _The Burning World_, perhaps unsurprisingly also the only major label album they did -- but the high points are numerous. _Various Failures_ nicely excerpts the one or two good tracks from _Burning World_ plus a slew of stuff from _White Light..._, _Love of Life_ and _Ten Songs From Another World_, which shows the band moving well into the realm of more conventionally dramatic, folk-influenced music -- an oversimplification, but you'll be able to hear the contrast. _Soundtracks for the Blind_ was the last studio album and is worth it as both a kind of career overview in terms of sonic approach and for the bemusing fact that "The Helpless Child" essentially invents Godspeed You Black Emperor. ;-) Etc. etc. -- my reviews at the AMG go into all this if you'd like to find out more.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 17 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Don't listen to the naysayers. Swans can't be judged by one or two albums, anyway, and it sounds like the people who hate them are only familiar with about that much. Perhaps their earlier, more abrasive work is considered "classic" by some, but it's my absolute least favorite. You never hear people saying, "I got Beatles' "Rubber Soul" and it's the gayest piece of crap I ever heard" and effectively dismissing all beatles music, right? Later Swans material is some of the most intricate and best-produced music there is. It's on the oppressive/ depressive vibe, but nowhere near the earlier "Holy Money" kind of stuff. It's more melancholy-- and there's plenty of melancholy bands out there. You choose to listen to it when it suits you. I'd suggest "Children of God/World of Skin" as your very next Swans purchase. The variation in that album from the first song to the second song, alone, will probably suprise you. But, there's also a dramatic difference from disc one to disc two. Disc one is a little more rocking and disc two is a little more spiritual, almost gospel sounding. "Breathing Water" is one of the creepiest, beautiful songs there is. Must be heard to be believed.

, Sunday, 18 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ever felt that the music you always hear is too full of warmth, liveliness, humor, rocking and melody ? Well, the Swans get rid of all that useless baggage, which I'm sure is a relief to some people. A monster dud.

The Burning World had a few, uh, songs on it. Bet their cult thinks it's a sell-out.

Patrick, Sunday, 18 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ahem. I don't consider _Burning World_ a sellout, just dull -- a far different thing, if only because sellouts should at least theoretically show *some* sort of commercial appeal. The fact that your sweeping statement regarding the band's work in general appears to be based on a listen of only the stuff they recorded up through 1986 or so as opposed to perhaps listening to anything from _White Light..._ onward I'll let pass without mentioning.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 18 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

True, Ned, I haven't heard anything from them since The Burning World (1989, right ?) so I grant that they might have improved since then. I don't have much hope for Michael Gira's sense of humor, but maybe they found a way out of the doom-and-gloom ?

Patrick, Sunday, 18 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

classic for the relentless grind of _body to body job to job_. early swans is some of the most cathartic music ever. _children of god_ is great if you're in the mood, ridiculous if you're not. jarboe was an unfortunate addition to the band. i actually liked _burning world_, though i couldn't imagine listening now. i have less interest in what i've heard of the 90s stuff.

sundar subramanian, Sunday, 18 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Michael Gira is fucking hilarious. Taken past a certain point, humorlessness becomes its antithesis. The 80's needed him just to counteract the 'humor' of They Might Be Giants.

Otis Wheeler, Monday, 19 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Actually, Gira is pretty humorous and has a sense of humor, too. At least, live he does. I think the music is supposed to be dark and humorless. You know, like, happy bands don't usually write death songs? It's the same kinda thing. Gira gets points for making the starkest, most oppressive music I've ever heard and making it still sound "pretty". If you don't think Swans sound pretty, it's because you're still judging them by their earliest work, which, in my opinion, hasn't aged well, but is still the best industrial music I've heard (comparing only to the little I know: Skinny Puppy, NIN, Ministry, Einsterzende Neubauten, Front 242... I hate industrial music with a passion).

But, it is funny that humorless music can be "hilarious" since "humorous" music can really piss me off- like Ween for instance. Sometimes they're annoying as hell.

, Monday, 19 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I doubt that They Might Be Giants were so pervasive in the 80s that they necessited a reaction all on their own. Maybe Mr Mister did. Actually, since the Swans were around before TMBG, maybe TMBG *was* the counteraction. But yeah, bands that set out to be humorous at all times are as much of an annoyance as the ones who are about being dark and depressed at all times. Whether it's laughs or anger or sadness, I kinda prefer when they're just sorta part of the package, rather than something entire genres are based on.

Patrick, Monday, 19 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Forgive me for wandering in from the Killing Joke debate, but SWANS are local legends around my part of the woods, so I couldn't stop m'self from chiming in. Actually, I'm not here to praise nor damn Gira's gang, but rather suggest checking out a couple of bands largely spawned by Swans' influece, Brooklyn's late-lamented COP SHOOT COP and Tod Ashley's Firewater.

alex, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

seven months pass...
cop shoot cop sounded like gary numan doing springsteen numbers

bob snoom, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one year passes...
saw gira live in london last nite. i understand now. crushes like churches

zemko (bob), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 11:50 (twenty years ago) link

thought this might have been revived.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 13:14 (twenty years ago) link

no one else went? andrew l?

zemko (bob), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 17:38 (twenty years ago) link

yeah he told me at the last FAP that he was.

(I didn't as I'm working late for this stupid presentation tomorrow therefore I am jealous: did gira scream the word 'mother' at any point during the gig?)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 17:42 (twenty years ago) link

"Grindin" is like a vintage Swans song, not just sonically (drums like an endless row of scrap-metal monoliths collapsing on a burnt and barren wasteland) but thematically. Both Clipse and Swans find social reality at the intersection of sex, money, and power. They view everything else as pretty fluff, designed to obscure the harsh truth.

The difference is, Gira and Co. sound traumatized by this discovery, whereas Malice and Pusha T sound like they're doing a gleeful dance.

EC, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 18:03 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
Classic. Most of what's been mentioned is their refined stuff.

Being a masocist I especially love the brutal Cop/Holy Money
period - most people would find this stuff horrible, but given
a bit more listening one may be able to experience this amazing
feeling of ? - too hard to describe, but it compliments such
painful things like exercise, washing dishes etc.

Anyone heard the live disc 'Public Castration is a Good Idea'?
This out-heavies anything I've ever heard...

KF ., Tuesday, 8 February 2005 12:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't believe I didn't say anything on this thread...surely there must be another one somewhere on the board, because I vaguely remember saying that I'm a White Light From the Mouth of Infinity man, but that I still love the grind of the early stuff, and even the ultrapolished The Burning World. I really have to be in the mood to get into the early early early stuff though.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I own the double disc Cop/Young God/Greed/Holy Money and the live albums Public Castration Is A Good Idea and Feel Good Now. I like all of 'em, especially PCIAGI, which really needs to be played as loud as your stereo will possibly go. One of my favorite Godflesh songs, "Love, Hate (Slugbaiting)" is like this album condensed down to ten minutes in an attempt to climb the charts. That, too, should be played at absurd volume. I used to own Soundtracks For The Blind and didn't like it that much - it seemed like capitulation to me. Never heard anything from the in-between years.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Classic. But you must be in the mood for some of their work.

J.H. Malerman (xada_hgla), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 19:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Completely classic. Anyone who likes music of ANY kind could find something to like in their broad, vast array of sounds and moods. One of my top three groups ever, in every incarnation. And I started at BURNING WORLD, working backward and forward and deep into all the solo stuff - it can be done!

Gira's book THE CONSUMER also so, so recommended.

matt the queeg (veal), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 21:55 (seventeen years ago) link

If Swans lyric sheets make me roffle, am I a sick fuck?

Marmot (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 21:59 (seventeen years ago) link

No, especially if you're laughing at the story that came on the insert to Cop.

Utterly, timelessly CLASSIC.

sleeve version 2.0 (sleeve testing), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I just have Cop on the double disc comp, no story - is that online somewhere?

I just mean all the terse little statements of complete hopelessness in the lyrics. I get about three lines in and completely lose my shit.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 22:27 (seventeen years ago) link

If Swans lyric sheets make me roffle, am I a sick fuck?

No, it means you're the right audience.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 22:49 (seventeen years ago) link

You can't get much more hopeless than "god damn the sun."

Butt Dickass (Dick Butkus), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 22:53 (seventeen years ago) link


latebloomer scrabbly dabbly doo (skawreeng) (latebloomer), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 22:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Random thoughts:
Gira and Jarboe are 2 of the musicians I could easily imagine being psycho killers.

When I saw Angels of Light play Tonic, he drank a full pint of whiskey in a glass filled from behind the bar and didn't seem in the least bit drunk. After the show, he went and got a refill and mingled like he was at an art opening or something.

His writing is pretty disturbing.

Jarboe seems to have severe mental problems. Oh yeah, and so does Gira.

Butt Dickass (Dick Butkus), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 22:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Look, you people don't understand. I saw Jarboe at Bumbershoot a few weeks ago. She was fucking fantastic. In the daytime even. She came out into the audience and sang to a few audience members personally one at a time, including me. I was so embarassed to realize everyone was looking at me. She held her hand out and I held her hand. Then her voice got louder and she looked into my eyes and sang louder and I was afraid. I was really afraid in that moment.

-- Ficky Stingers (bimble87...), Sunday 1:33 AM. (Bimble...) (later) (link)

best/scariest/best thing ever.
Weird that two completely different Swans C or D threads just got revived a few days apart. Here's the other:
Classic or Dud: Swans

Marmot (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 23:25 (seventeen years ago) link

(Haha ok, they were revived by the same guy)

Marmot (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 23:27 (seventeen years ago) link

five months pass...
I've pulled out my vinyl copy of Greed. I haven't heard it in ages. But I remember Holy Money being better and that is going to be played next.

Bimble, Sunday, 18 March 2007 02:05 (sixteen years ago) link

holy money is maybe better but the song 'greed' is perhaps the best thing swans ever did.

stirmonster, Sunday, 18 March 2007 03:29 (sixteen years ago) link


Such uplifting music, hah!

I was remembering that Holy Money was the first record I ever bought of the Swans. I bought it on a sheer whim for a few bucks, used. The first time I heard it I was sure I'd wasted my money. It was like "what is this crap?" But gradually I started to understand it. I didn't go nuts over them until Children of God, though.

Bimble, Sunday, 18 March 2007 04:33 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...

OK...Happy Ned...Did this already...but isn't exactly what I was looking for anyway...

Screw this....

I'm gonna give up on the Swans...

Aja, Monday, 28 May 2007 05:55 (sixteen years ago) link

Filth is one of my all-time favorite albums. I'd recommend that one, but it may not be the best convince-me-otherwise album.

Ivan, Monday, 28 May 2007 06:42 (sixteen years ago) link

Its Aja!

Trayce, Monday, 28 May 2007 06:42 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, hi....

I find it funny that my thread was locked so soon...

Anyway, I was bored and wanted to see what was up in these parts...I really should be getting to sleep though...

Aja, Monday, 28 May 2007 06:45 (sixteen years ago) link

I think it's funny that you say "screw this" because Swans have a song called A Screw don't they? Heheh.

Bimble, Monday, 28 May 2007 07:04 (sixteen years ago) link

Also there is some really fantastic Swans stuff on You Tube. But in all honesty, Swans are not a band I would likely try to argue with someone into liking the way I would, say, Led Zeppelin or even the Fall. I find it perfectly understandable that some folks will never get Swans.

Bimble, Monday, 28 May 2007 07:08 (sixteen years ago) link

I think it's funny that you say "screw this" because Swans have a song called A Screw don't they? Heheh.

-- Bimble, Monday, May 28, 2007 7:04 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

They do? Gosh...is it any good? Or is it really slow and weird...

Aja, Monday, 28 May 2007 07:11 (sixteen years ago) link

Well there are two different versions I found.

This one is a more beefed up version of the album version with horns and a heavy industrial beat:


This one is a live performance, and more bare-bones, truer to their early material and I prefer it:


Bimble, Monday, 28 May 2007 07:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Of course this is before they became a lot more listenable, pretty and mellow.

Bimble, Monday, 28 May 2007 07:18 (sixteen years ago) link


Interesting. I'll leave it at that.

Aja, Monday, 28 May 2007 07:19 (sixteen years ago) link

I got into the first couple of albums for a while, saw them live, then gradually decided that life was just too short for Gira's schtick. Haven't listened to them for ten years.

I have a promo copy of 'Cop' which was issued to Radio Forth, our local top forty station, a thought that makes me laugh every time I flick past it on the stack.

Soukesian, Monday, 28 May 2007 07:23 (sixteen years ago) link


Vapor waif (uptown churl), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 19:03 (four years ago) link

everyone decide to just ignore the assault allegations or what

global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 27 February 2019 19:18 (four years ago) link

well i mean they were so long ago

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 19:23 (four years ago) link

i haven't forgotten
my feelings about the music of swans haven't changed (i still like it) but my feelings about gira the person (which were never great) have depleted further.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 19:41 (four years ago) link

allegations vs truth, art vs artist, look, I don't know, man.

do you want me to stop updating Swans threads if there's news about music?

StanM, Wednesday, 27 February 2019 21:20 (four years ago) link

here we go again

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 27 February 2019 21:25 (four years ago) link

don't get shook again, control yourself this time

omar little, Wednesday, 27 February 2019 21:38 (four years ago) link

Angels of Light have some good tunes, Swans are pretty whatever for me, even before all of that weirdness.

omar little, Wednesday, 27 February 2019 21:40 (four years ago) link

allegations vs truth

oh you mean the admitted rape that went from being "a slanderous lie" to "an unfortunate mistake" within 24 hours?

what ppl still defending the dude don't seem to get is that it was the way he overreacted to the story that was the dealbreaker for many people including myself, all "allegations" (jfc) aside

sold out in presale (sleeve), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 21:44 (four years ago) link

And fwiw re: the Adams effect of fucking with their victims careers too, I have seen Grimm on way too few bills post accusation. Hard to make a tight case for the causality there, admittedly; but even harder to deny its probability id say

Vapor waif (uptown churl), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 23:41 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

I used to go back and forth on whether gybe or swans would be my 'soundtrack to the apocalypse.'

turns out it is THE SWANS

Poptimus Grime (Pillbox), Thursday, 26 March 2020 06:40 (three years ago) link

er.. i mean SWANS

Poptimus Grime (Pillbox), Thursday, 26 March 2020 06:41 (three years ago) link

spelled backward is.. SNAWS

Poptimus Grime (Pillbox), Thursday, 26 March 2020 06:44 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

wow theyre so poorly designed

here 1st (roxymuzak), Sunday, 24 May 2020 15:18 (three years ago) link

idk I like the teeth one

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Sunday, 24 May 2020 15:19 (three years ago) link

do we have a "neat quarantine masks" thread yet

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Sunday, 24 May 2020 15:19 (three years ago) link

There is clearly no level to which Gira will not stoop nowadays. That said, I'd happily wear a Public Castration Is A Good Idea mask.

while the city bleeps (Matt #2), Sunday, 24 May 2020 15:31 (three years ago) link

lots of bands are selling masks tbf

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Sunday, 24 May 2020 15:41 (three years ago) link

some of them not fronted by rapists

Children of Bo-Dom (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:42 (three years ago) link


here 1st (roxymuzak), Sunday, 24 May 2020 19:30 (three years ago) link

sure, just didn't see the big deal on this count

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Sunday, 24 May 2020 20:53 (three years ago) link


no (Left), Sunday, 24 May 2020 21:20 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

new album in 2023 - fundraiser (acoustic versions) & preorder:


StanM, Thursday, 6 January 2022 16:23 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

New *studio* album in 2023:

SWANS have announced details of their sixteenth studio album, The Beggar, due for release on Mute / Young God Records (N America) on 23 June 2023. The Beggar will be released on double vinyl in a brown chipboard sleeve with a download card for accessing an additional 44 minutes of music (also included on the album's CD version), as a double CD in a brown chipboard digi-pack, as well as digitally.

Listen to the first track from the album, ‘Paradise is Mine:


The Beggar tracklisting
1. The Parasite
2. Paradise is Mine
3. Los Angeles: City of Death
4. Michael is Done
5. Unforming
6. The Beggar
7. No More of This
8. Ebbing
9. Why Can't I Have What I Want Any Time That I Want?
10. The Beggar Lover (Three)
11. The Memorious

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 16:45 (eight months ago) link

3. Los Angeles: City of Death
4. Michael is Done


Is Ben Frost still in this band, or is he just a touring member?

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 22 March 2023 16:49 (eight months ago) link

From the press release:

Primary contributors to The Beggar:

Michael Gira – Vocals, words, acoustic guitar, production. Gira started Swans in NYC in 1982 and has been the primary songwriter, singer and producer throughout the years. During the Swans hiatus (1999 – 2010), he released several albums by and toured with a group called Angels of Light. Gira recently published a book of his short stories, journals, and words for music, called The Knot. He lives in New Mexico.

Kristof Hahn – Lap steel, various guitars, vocals. Kristof first joined Swans in 1989 and was a principal contributor to Angels of Light, and a core Swans member 2010 – 2017. Kristof’s other musical ventures have included the Rock ‘n’ Roll Noir band Les Hommes Sauvages and Kool Kings (with Alex Chilton). When not making music Kristof translates books. He lives in Berlin, Germany.

Larry Mullins - Drums, vibes, orchestral percussion, Mellotron, various keyboards, backing vocals. Larry is a trained symphonic percussionist. He played through the ‘90s with Iggy Pop and later with The Stooges. He played with Swans in the late ‘90s and was a main contributor to Angels of Light. His current main job is playing drums with The Bad Seeds. Larry lives in Berlin, Germany.

Dana Schechter – Bass guitar, lap steel, keyboards, vocals, piano. Dana played bass in and was a core member of Angels of Light. She subsequently released music and toured as Bee and Flower. Her current band is the power-duo, Insect Ark. Dana is an animator and designer in the film industry and currently lives in Berlin, Germany.

Christopher Pravdica - Bass guitar, sounds, keyboards, vocals. Chris played bass as a core Swans member in 2010 – 2017. Chris has played with the bands, The Gunga Din, Flux Information Sciences, Xiu Xiu, Yonatan Gat’s Medicine Singers and has a project of his own called We Owe. Chris is a sound designer and lives in Brooklyn, NY.

Phil Puleo – Drums, percussion, vocals, piano, exotic wind instruments. Phil played drums with Swans in the late ‘90s and was a core member in Swans 2010 – 2017 and contributed to Angels of Light. Phil’s early NYC musical venture was Cop Shoot Cop and has since played with Human Impact, among others. Phil is an extremely talented illustrator and lives in Chicago, IL.

Ben Frost - Guitar, synthesizers, sound manipulations. In his own work, Ben’s adventurous sound-craftings are sometimes harrowing and sometimes delicate and quite musical. His numerous albums and his powerful live shows have afforded him much recognition. He is also an accomplished composer and arranger of music for film and television. Ben lives in Reykjavik, Iceland.

Backing vocals are provided by Jennifer Gira, Lucy Kruger and Laura Carbone.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 16:54 (eight months ago) link

Initially thought Larry Mullins was Larry Mullen Jr and i was like “Strange pairing!”

The land of dreams and endless remorse (hardcore dilettante), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 17:05 (eight months ago) link

No Thor on this one

young sussy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 17:09 (eight months ago) link

Track listing with running times (from the Young God site):

The Beggar 2CD tracklisting

The Parasite (8:27)
Paradise is Mine (9:23)
Los Angeles: City of Death (3:29)
Michael is Done (6:08)
Unforming (5:55)
The Beggar (10:15)
No More of This (6:55)
Ebbing (11:04)
Why Can't I Have What I Want Any Time That I Want? (7:38)

The Beggar Lover (Three) (43:51)
The Memorious (8:38)

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 17:47 (eight months ago) link

When I got the promo email I initially thought this was the album cover:


but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 17:48 (eight months ago) link

Gira will be 70 next year. His hearing must be totally gone at this point.

Position Position, Wednesday, 22 March 2023 19:17 (eight months ago) link

I almost ordered it but then I remembered I paid for "New Album Fundraiser & Pre-Order" last time (got the "Is There Really A Mind" CD last year but this includes the 2023 album too, or it should)

StanM, Wednesday, 22 March 2023 19:22 (eight months ago) link

I chatted him up after a show in Houston and asked if he ever wore earplugs. He gave me quite a dour look.

If he was my neighbor I would refer to him as “Chuckles.”

Cow_Art, Wednesday, 22 March 2023 19:34 (eight months ago) link

I chatted him up after a show in Houston and asked if he ever wore earplugs. He gave me quite a dour look.

If he was my neighbor I would refer to him as “Chuckles.”

Cow_Art, Wednesday, 22 March 2023 19:34 (eight months ago) link

lmao that Ben Frost didn’t allow himself to be caricatured, dude appears to be somewhat self obsessed

assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 20:54 (eight months ago) link

Why Can't I Have What I Want Any Time That I Want? (7:38)


Murgatroid, Wednesday, 22 March 2023 21:26 (eight months ago) link

yeah i dunno i'll probably check this out though xD

ꙮ (map), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 21:27 (eight months ago) link

The Beggar Lover (Three) (43:51)

beats Richard Dawson by almost three full minutes!

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 21:49 (eight months ago) link

four months pass...

I hadn’t realized it was out. Enjoying it.

Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, 16 August 2023 13:19 (three months ago) link

It's pretty good

Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Wednesday, 16 August 2023 13:58 (three months ago) link

Haven't found much discussion of the remastering, I listened to White Light last night, it sounds great but very different, just now reading that aside from the obvious change (adding "Blind") that some of these songs are significantly different edits, I'm a bit dismayed but at least I still have my old Various Failures and White Light CDs. Maybe someday there'll be deluxe versions with all versions. I don't have a lot of experience listening to remasters of old favourites, hope it won't always cause this anxiety.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 18 August 2023 19:46 (three months ago) link

I didn't know about the edits.

Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Saturday, 19 August 2023 09:55 (three months ago) link

I only have the remastered White Light from the Mouth of Infinity. I just have all the old CDs from the 90s that were bunched together

Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Saturday, 19 August 2023 09:56 (three months ago) link

The live band from 1988 was one of the best things I'd ever heard, extremely heavy folk rock. Played by most of the band that recorded Children Of God but with a different drummer. It took me an age to get hold of recordings from that era. I missed getting the official botleg which I think documents it Anonymous Bodies in an Empty Room . Not sure if that has been reissued. I think the sound they reached at the time does inform their more recent incarnation to some extent.

Stevo, Saturday, 19 August 2023 10:31 (three months ago) link

Remaster still sounds great, but different things are brought forward, I can't quite say what it is I'm missing from the older version

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 19 August 2023 22:44 (three months ago) link

How do they compare to the original LPs?

Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Sunday, 20 August 2023 11:48 (three months ago) link

Just dropping in her to say that I listened to Screen Shot and Oxygen again today annd they are two of the best songs ever produced (and I don’t really care for this band much). Carry on!

hrep (H.P), Sunday, 20 August 2023 12:20 (three months ago) link

I've never heard the vinyl versions of any of them

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 August 2023 16:16 (three months ago) link

me neither

Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Tuesday, 22 August 2023 13:04 (three months ago) link

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