Coil s/d c/d etc

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well you know what to do.. get to it!

Wyndham Earl, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i hope you havent already done this one. i checked the c/d s/d categories at the bottom and there was no evidence of it..

Wyndham Earl, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Destroy: Angelic Converstaion, Astral Distaser (kewl name, crap album), The Queens of the Circulating Library. Gold is the Metal.

Search: Most everything else, but I happen to like early/mid 90's coil best: Love's Secret Domain, Stolen & Contaminated Songs, Black Light Distict, Worship the Glitch, Unnatural History 3.

Classic, obviously.

fletrejet, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

back after a while.... well in coil's recent production there's more than a gem and my preferences would go to music to play in the dark vol1and2 and worship the glitch . their best older albums are horse rotorvator and love's secret domain.... but this is just a start cuz the whole of their production has something interesting in it....

francesco, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

We must have done this sometime but... The two big starting points for older Coil would have to be the albums Love's Secret Domain and Horse Rotarvator. Destroy: Gold is the Metal. Time Machines, like most of their newer stuff, is a bit too abstract for my tastes.

bnw, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

it sounds like the kind of thing you would have done. i know you did a nurse with wound one and i can't find that anywhere, which is annoying cos i wanted to do a nurse with wound s/d..

Wyndham Earl, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Most interesting rendition of "Tainted Love." Beautifully harrowing.

Alex in NYC, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

hm, could Glorian Jones have ever conceived that her little northern soul ditty would become such a goth staple..

Wyndham Earl, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The Nurse with Wound thread is here. Much of these older threads are sitting in the Uncategorized section, after they fall off the New Questions list. There's constant talk about getting the uncategorized section into order, so this may be fixed up in the next decade.

Sean Carruthers, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Oh, and search: Horse Rotorvator. I won't destroy anything because I'm not familiar enough with it.

Sean Carruthers, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

most of their recent stuff successfully blends their more goth-friendly, slightly cheesy elements with modern electronic sounds; specifically search "music to play in the dark" 2 and then 1. "astral disaster" is, if you ask me, some kind of weird tribute to germany in the 1970s. and kate bush. also, "how to destroy angels" (worth it just for the NWW remix of the title), scatology, constant shallowness (mostly noise, but "green child" is great/weird songiness), black light district (excellent side project), and even the snaky, inky blackness of time machines are worth checking out.

overrated: love's secret domain, the hellraiser themes (both of which i sold for $50+ each back in the day, wahoo capitalism) and queens of the circulating library.

your null fame, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Search: Scatology (which is impossible to listen to with the lights off)

Destroy: Tainted Love (lasts for 3 hours and goths like it)

flowersdie, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...
10 coil tracks i should download?

gareth (gareth), Sunday, 24 November 2002 17:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

not tainted love! umm, their cover of who by fire was good, i think. maybe "the first five minutes after death"? i haven't listened to any coil in years...

toby (tsg20), Sunday, 24 November 2002 18:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Scatology and The Horse Rotorvator are both great albums (and recently rereleased at that), while the Windowpane and the Snow EP is good testimony to how they both listened to where dance music was going and ended up influencing a fair amount of it (via Warp/Autechre connections), but I'm not as strong as more recent work, unfortunately. These days I seem to be into Current 93 the most.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 24 November 2002 18:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Baby Dee, a Current 93-related project, is AWESOME.

J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Sunday, 24 November 2002 18:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I should listen to some of Coil's recorded stuff. I saw them live at Mind Your Head Festival 2002 in London (I was there to see Sigur Ros of course) and they sucked REALLY bad. It was the wankiest shit I'd ever fallen asleep to, but people tell me they're far better on record than live. Meh.

Callum (Callum), Sunday, 24 November 2002 21:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...
i have been playing music to play in the dark volume 2, and i like it. its quite goth of course, but "where are you" is quite deathly...it reminds me of an evil momus

"where are you? no one has seen you in years" is a great line, and should be used more often...people who fall off the radar have been a romantic staple of pop for years of course, but this captures it well

gareth (gareth), Sunday, 22 December 2002 14:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

recently rereleased at that

Are they available as a domestic release in the U.S.?

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 23 December 2002 23:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
revive!

can't believe i missed this for so long...coil are def one of my favorite bands, although i rarely think of them as such. love the early stuff, get iffy on the wax traxian phase, love love LOVE the last four-five years. if 1999/2000 hadn't been such overwhelming years for albums, both vols of musick to play in the dark would have been high placers in my top 10s.

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 16 March 2003 05:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Dang, now I'll have to catch up. Of the recent material, I have some of those seasonal EPs, I likes 'em.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 March 2003 06:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

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gaz (gaz), Sunday, 16 March 2003 10:03 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

It was a fun moment when dour industrialists like Psychic TV and Coil suddenly caught disco fever and started tooling up for hermetic house tracks. On records like Love's Secret Domain you can hear the pale molemen emerging from the darkness of their secret laboratory and squinting into the light of a mirror ball.

Search: the twisted sound collages, the idiosyncratic approach to house, the chilly ambience.

Destroy: the crypto-sexual conspiracy theorizing, the gothic growling, the big gated eighties drum sounds.

EC, Sunday, 16 March 2003 18:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

...meanwhile, Jourgensen & Co. donned their novelty cowboy hats and started building bridges between industrial sauce pan clank-sampling and various forms of mutant rawk: post-hardcore, pigfuck, grindcore, etc.

Coil's disco steps and Ministry's distorted barre chords weaned a lot of listeners from industrial dance's cold and wizened teet. All the A students started sneaking out of the Wax Trax School of Spooky Chain Rattling.
Some fled to a more cheerful dance floor, while others turned to Am Rep and/or Earache for more guitar-based ugliness.

That being said, there are still plenty of clubs which function as industrio-gothic Greenfield Villages, and I'm sure they're very meaningful to their black-clad regulars.


EC, Sunday, 16 March 2003 20:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

love love LOVE the last four-five years

this inspired me to check out the recent stuff & jesus christ it's good. i can't stop playing "batwings" (off musick... vol 2). it's going to take an age to listen to all the mp3s i've just downloaded (sometimes slsk just give you too much), but i'm loving it all so far.

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 15:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

not tainted love!
Too late fr me. gawd that cover is horrible.
i haven't listened to them much to decide though.

rex jr., Tuesday, 18 March 2003 16:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

gawd that cover is horrible.

It all makes sense when you see the video -- best cameo ever in that too, BTW.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 16:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

...oh yes, and hip hop! Hip hop is the other reason that gore flick sound biting is no longer a viable way to fill a dance floor. The Bomb Squad inspired fans of atonal sound collage to move from the taffy pull to the cabbage patch.

Al was bending the brim of his cowboy hat, and Coil were putting on their boogie shoes, so second-string tin pounders like Meat Beat Manifesto and MC 900 Foot Jesus were left with the thankless task of recording hip hop records for white guys in black clothes.

EC, Wednesday, 19 March 2003 04:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

...only it's not so simple. "Industrial dance" was a dark reflection of concurrent forms of dance music since its inception. If you owned "Sensoria," "Every Day is Halloween," and a crushed refrigerator box, you could have been doing some eerie, sex magickal breakdancing throughout the first half of the eighties.

You could have finished your routine by doing the robot with Kraftwerk. Those androids were burning up every dancefloor, cardboard or otherwise. It's no good trying to explain musical genres to dancing robots. They'll just stare blankly at you as they continue to shake their mechanical booties.

EC, Wednesday, 19 March 2003 14:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
i'm pretty into the new album-in-progress, "black antlers". they've done a great cover of "all the pretty horses" for it.

also i heard a track off "plastic spider thing" and it's fantastic, much to my surprise. i might have to check the rest of the album out.

toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 06:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Oh dear. Oh dear indeed. Oh, BTW, Toby, coz I'm too lazy to look up your old thread. Are you still interested in the new TG stuff, or did you find it already? I've got some and I didn't have to sign seven layers of secrecy to get it, mwah hah hah.

Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 07:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i've got tgnow if that's what you're talking about kate - but if you have anything else then i'm interested, and thanks in any case.

yes, it is a bit oh dear. i'm sure i'll have gone off coil again in a few days, don't worry.

toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 09:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I don't actually know what I've got - a friend gave me a discload of MP3s I haven't really gone through yet. At least two albums worth, some live and some studio.

(I just said Oh Dear because I've had two days worth of gossip about Coil from two different people in the past week. Oh dear on all levels, really.)

People love Gravity and Evolution! (kate), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 09:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

ignore those who said destroy gold is the metal and time machines. everyone knows time machines is a drone masterpiece and gold is the metal is CLASSIC for "cardinal points." Also, search the amethyst deceivers EP. it's a good way to get started on their less danceable stuff.

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 15:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

ooh kate i've only just seen this, and i have to run off to glastonbury now, but that sounds very interesting...

toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 16:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"Dang, now I'll have to catch up. Of the recent material, I have some of those seasonal EPs, I likes 'em.
-- Ned Raggett (ne...), March 16th, 2003."

Yeah, the four EPs were collected as 'Moon's Milk', which I recommend if you've got time to focus on them, as they move pretty slowly. I like to listen to them while I go to sleep, although there are extremely nutty and frightening tracks at the end and start of the two CDs, so if you're not asleep by them it's pretty fucked.

Other than that I only have 'ove's Secret Domain' which is awesome. I'm always loking for more Coil.

Has anyone heard that track they made featuring a guy's phone message whose boyfriend was a huge Coil fan and topped himself by jumping off a cliff? What's it called?

Also what's with them throwing half their releases off cliffs and things?

Sasha (sgh), Thursday, 24 June 2004 01:18 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

four months pass...
John Balance, RIP.

3underscore (___), Monday, 15 November 2004 13:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i've been listening to 'heartworms' and 'batwings' a lot in the last 24 hours. i know this is maybe the wrong time to ask this, but if anyone can suggest any other coil tracks that sound anything like either of these two, i'd be very grateful.

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 16:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

listen to 'a cold cell' and try to keep that lump in yr throat at bay!

stirmonster, Tuesday, 16 November 2004 20:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

five months pass...
Just managed to download the full twelve minute rendition of "Red Birds Will Fly Out of the East and Destroy Paris in a Night" and it sounds like Moroder's score for Midnight Express after getting a syringe filled with pop rocks rammed up its jixie.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 23 April 2005 05:11 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Re-posted from another thread.

So, like, I've been entirely steeping myself in COIL these days, trying to catch up. I picked up the re-mastered Horse Rotorvator (though I had the Some Bizarre edition -- which the band has since renounced). I also picked up the Unnatural History II disc in order to finally hear the aborted tracks from Hellraiser (I really wanted them to be scarier, truthfully, but there's a lot of other great stuff on the disc). The stuff I was really looking for but couldn't seem to find, however, was Love's Secret Domain and Musick to Play in the Dark Vol.1. I'd looked all around the likely shops in NYC, but came up empty, and their official site (Threshold House) has closed the shop for now. Failing everything else, I went to eBay, and won a used copy of L's.S.D (at no great savings to me), figuring I'd never find it anywhere else. It hasn't arrived yet.

So, today, on a lark, I pop into Tower Records on Broadway looking for nothing in particular. Once upon a time (in the days of vinyl), if you were looking for a record and Tower didn't have it, there was a good chance that said record simply didn't exist. But, that was then. In the ensuing years, Tower has fallen into a decline that recalls the fall of the Roman Empire. They're a lost cause teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. But sure enough -- push me down the anal staircase! Their in the import section are more COIL releases than I've ever spotted in any locale...including Musick to Play in the Dark Vol.1 (which I instantly snapped up) and....rotorvate my damn horse...Love's Secret Domain...WRAPPED, PRISTINE AND FACTORY SEALED...unlike the used version I'm waiting to arrive in the mail, which -- for all I know -- may have been used as a coaster. I suck.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 1 May 2005 22:17 (twelve years ago) Permalink

buy that new one and resell the ebay one?

I really dig the first vol. of Unnatural History, some really strange sounds on there.

Amon (eman), Sunday, 1 May 2005 22:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

what do you think of musick to play in the dark alex?

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Sunday, 1 May 2005 22:25 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Is Loves Secret Domain really hard to come by nowadays? I thought it was just remastered and reissued in 2001.

jason., Sunday, 1 May 2005 23:15 (twelve years ago) Permalink

what do you think of musick to play in the dark alex?

Only got it today, so haven't had a chance to listen to it (it's tough with a little person in the house....I've ripped it to my iPod, so shall listen intently to it soon enough).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 1 May 2005 23:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

REVIVE AGAIN!

I'm well into Musick to Play in the Dark 1, though I'm not wild about "The Dreamer is Still Asleep". Love's Secret Domain isn't what I expected at all, but I'm quite enjoying it. I love the title track and the two "Teenage Lightning" tracks. Been downloading some of their other stuff (and oof is there a lot of it). I agree with whomever said it above that much of it is just far too abstract (notably the stuff fom the COIL-ANS box), but none of it is dull, at the very least.

Secondly, the General Store at the Threshold House site is back open...czech it out! http://www.thresholdhouse.com/

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 14 May 2005 01:51 (twelve years ago) Permalink

From the re-release of Scatology (I have the Some Bizarre edition, not the new one)....this still bothers me (from the original artwork to the The Anal Staircase e.p. I'd say "Not Work Safe," but I'm not entirely sure if the image in the center is...well....what I think it might be.

http://www.brainwashed.com/common/images/covers/loci15_traycard.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 14 May 2005 01:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink

See, now, that's how they get you. If you were sure of what it was, it wouldn't be as upsetting.

daria g (daria g), Saturday, 14 May 2005 04:33 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The live drums fills on the title track of Love's Secret Domain are hugely satisfying.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 14 May 2005 05:32 (twelve years ago) Permalink

those are by Charles Hayward, drummer from This Heat.

Amon (eman), Saturday, 14 May 2005 05:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

And you can get a WAV DL of Love's Secret Domain from the same source! For a tenner! Moon's Milk for seven quid... I had no idea! I'm glad I looked now.

Doran, Friday, 13 November 2015 21:22 (two years ago) Permalink

xps ELEVEN years

sorry Doran, I got delayed but the post was typed I promise ;)

sleeve, Friday, 13 November 2015 21:24 (two years ago) Permalink

I just got a copy of the Remote Viewer 2CD in the mail today, very psyched to listen as I don't think I've ever heard the 2nd disc

sleeve, Friday, 13 November 2015 21:25 (two years ago) Permalink

also, is that an advance copy of the book or is SAP actually mailing them out?!?

sleeve, Friday, 13 November 2015 21:26 (two years ago) Permalink

Ah, sorry, bit of an accidental humblebrag there, but I share a publisher with David Keenan so I got to see the new PDF ahead of time as I was recording a segment on Coil for BBC 6Music's Freakier Zone tomorrow night just yesterday, so wanted to do a bit of last minute cramming before the show. It's a shame I don't share the author's pugilistic abilities and enjoy the same high regard among the readers of The WIRE as well but you can't have it all. What I can say, judging by the electronic edition I've read, is it's going to be a fine tome - I won't say anything else as I think they're still sweating over what's going in that final proof that goes to print - but the reprint is long overdue, I'm sure you'll agree.

Doran, Friday, 13 November 2015 21:34 (two years ago) Permalink

yep, definitely

sleeve, Friday, 13 November 2015 21:38 (two years ago) Permalink

Omfg cannot wait. Will there be an ebook as well as a print one?

banned on ixlor (Jon not Jon), Friday, 13 November 2015 21:47 (two years ago) Permalink

No idea but I'll ask Strange Attractor's Arch Drude and report back next week.

Doran, Friday, 13 November 2015 21:51 (two years ago) Permalink

Oh hey SPEAKING of Mr. Doran here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06phdz9

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 15 November 2015 17:43 (two years ago) Permalink

Starts around 13 minutes in.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 15 November 2015 17:54 (two years ago) Permalink

And even MORE great news, given the mention of the EHR revision:

http://strangeattractor.co.uk/shoppe/englands-hidden-reverse/

Revised & expanded edition
456 pages, hardback/paperback, 216mm x 156mm
Fully illustrated in colour.

* Full colour throughout
* Two new chapters and a significant number of new images
* Cover by Mark Titchner

* Available December 2015 in three editions:

A standard, unlimited paperback edition will be available from all good booksellers priced £20.

* Special Edition
A5, Hardback on colour boards, 456pp
This includes FURFUR, a separate 120-page A5 zine with all new, exclusive interviews and imagery from more provocateurs of the EHR universe: including Alex Binnie, Antal Nemeth, Chris Carter, Colin Potter, Cosey Fanni Tutti, Drew McDowall, Gavin Semple, Ivan Pavlov, Jill Westwood, Jordi Valls, Matthew Levi Stevens, Paul Hurst and Christine Glover of Produktion, Robin Rimbaud and more TBC.

Furfur cover design by Elijah Burgher
Limited to 1000 copies

£40+ p&p ( £5 UK /£10 EU /£25 ROW )
* we apologise for the expensive ROW postage, but this is the best rate we can find

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 November 2015 16:40 (two years ago) Permalink

it would be even greater news if there was a cheaper upgrade option for those of us who have the first edition. ;-)

stirmonster, Monday, 16 November 2015 17:09 (two years ago) Permalink

xp thanks!

StanM, Monday, 16 November 2015 17:23 (two years ago) Permalink

Stir: well, there is the paperback as mentioned.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 November 2015 17:58 (two years ago) Permalink

Amazon order canceled. I expected that, I guess.

― Wimmels, Friday, November 13, 2015 3:06 PM

Hmmm, mine (in the US, for 6 of the discs) has not. Still no shipping date, though.

by the light of the burning Citroën, Monday, 16 November 2015 18:01 (two years ago) Permalink

i know, but i want to read the a separate 120-page A5 zine with all new, exclusive interviews and imagery from more provocateurs. i thought about it for about 30 seconds and then hit the paypal button anyway.

xp

stirmonster, Monday, 16 November 2015 18:51 (two years ago) Permalink

Anybody see this?

www.amazon.com/Twilight-Language-Compendium-World-Coil/dp/0990970086/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1447700399&sr=8-5&keywords=england%27s+hidden+reverse

Wimmels, Monday, 16 November 2015 19:00 (two years ago) Permalink

I went through the exact same thing as stirmonster.

suffeeciant attreebution (aldo), Monday, 16 November 2015 19:10 (two years ago) Permalink

yeah, me too. + also thanks, Wimmels! (also on Amazon.co.uk for UK shipping etc)

StanM, Monday, 16 November 2015 19:22 (two years ago) Permalink

what's the current state of play re: thighpaulsandra is the devil* btw

*best tunes, etc

avant-garde, sissy bounce, zombie rave, aquacrunk, warlock, oceangrunge, (imago), Monday, 16 November 2015 20:03 (two years ago) Permalink

just listened to mr. doran's 7 music coil show. most excellent listening and impeccable track choices! i couldn't agree more about the non inclusion of "restless day" on "scatology".

however, the perennial pedant in me has to point out that lady diana and prince charles got married in 1981 not 1984. i know this, not because i'm a royalist but as in my head their wedding is always associated with the release of flux of pink indian's "neu smell" ep which was released in the summer of '81.

stirmonster, Monday, 16 November 2015 22:11 (two years ago) Permalink

Yeah I caught that myself. Slips, we all have 'em.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 November 2015 22:14 (two years ago) Permalink

indeed we do!

stirmonster, Monday, 16 November 2015 22:24 (two years ago) Permalink

Damn it!

In slightly less vexing news, EHR looks set to get an e-book edition at some point, so Kindle owners can celebrate.

Doran, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 09:02 (two years ago) Permalink

Rumors about a possible next batch of release here, maybe a hoax, maybe not

http://www.discogs.com/reviews?page=1&label=Threshold+Archives

StanM, Thursday, 19 November 2015 19:30 (one year ago) Permalink

from that Discogs thread, no idea how legit this info is obvs:

bullmoose.com had all 10 listed and were taking pre-orders, but sent out an email today saying the label has cancelled
them...which I figured, but it was worth a shot....makes me wonder if those listed will actually be the next batch released...time will tell
this is what they had listed

Airborne Bells
CD
769791761223

Born Again Pagans
CD
769791761520

Nasa-Arab
CD
769791761421

Astral Disaster
2CD
769791763326

The New Orleans Backwards
2CD
769791763029

The Sound of Music
CD
769791761322

Untitled
CD
769791762022

Heartworms
CD
769791761629

The Restitution of Decayed Intelligence
CD
769791762329

I Don't Want to Be the One
CD
769791761926

sleeve, Friday, 20 November 2015 22:47 (one year ago) Permalink

This whole thing is getting ridiculous

If this is supposed to be funny, I'm not laughing

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Saturday, 21 November 2015 01:43 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

more bootlegs. i was in amsterdam at the weekend and spotted bootleg pressings of astral disaster, horse rotorvator, queens of circulating library and a double vinyl selvaggina, go back in the woods.

stirmonster, Wednesday, 20 January 2016 12:45 (one year ago) Permalink

cough

https://archive.org/details/@love_exposure7?and[0]=coil

(those reissues, etc.)

the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Tuesday, 2 February 2016 04:12 (one year ago) Permalink

o damn

am0n, Tuesday, 2 February 2016 15:52 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Time Machines is getting a reissue

https://www.daisrecords.com/collections/music?mc_cid=366d28a32c&mc_eid=ea4c199572

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 17:38 (two months ago) Permalink

(shout out to stirmonster)

sleeve, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 17:43 (two months ago) Permalink

I've ordered the Time Machines CD but not that 4 minute vinyl thing :(

BTW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKql4sX49s8

StanM, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 17:47 (two months ago) Permalink

Wild to think that Dais Records are unleashing this on the world

https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a1706649906_10.jpghttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIpTEc2XcAAhvkd.jpg:large

🔱 Holger Jowday ^🌑^ (Dancing on the Pylons), Thursday, 7 September 2017 02:54 (two months ago) Permalink

I'd like to buy the Time Machines record but I'm hoping that somewhere in the UK has it for sale. Postage from the US is a bit steep

I am using your worlds, Sunday, 10 September 2017 10:20 (two months ago) Permalink

but not that 4 minute vinyl thing

but, it's a lovely looking record. :-)

i'm fully aware it is a ridiculously short amount of music but i had had so many people ask me to do it that i succumbed. there is also the bonus that it looks like it will raise enough money to pay for sponsporing 20 vulnerable thai children for a year.

stirmonster, Sunday, 10 September 2017 14:01 (two months ago) Permalink

ok ok, it does look lovely and I did think about it :-)

Got the Time Machines remaster CD today, can't say I can hear that much or even any difference after a quick listen/compare (tried to look at the waveforms and the first track is about the same, second and third are a little bit quieter, third is a little louder and 10 seconds longer -> silence at the end) - but at the moment, I can't tell what they did. Maybe it's my ears, don't know

StanM, Monday, 11 September 2017 14:55 (two months ago) Permalink

Mention of "vulnerable Thai children" made me think of this uncomfortable subject, which doesn't seem to have been aired much. I'm well aware that it opens a can of worms, but I think it should be at least acknowledged.

Last year Andrew McKenzie of the Hafler Trio wrote a blog post in which he made vague allegations of an unsavoury sort against Balance and Christopherson:

https://simply-superior.blogspot.com/2016/11/youre-dead-but-so-what.html

McKenzie seems like a serious and credible witness to me, but who knows?

heaven parker (anagram), Monday, 11 September 2017 15:25 (two months ago) Permalink

it should be acknowledged, though i don't think anyone knows anything for sure and i certainly don't trust the word of mr. mackenzie who i once had the misfortune to book for a performance and who i found to be a deeply unpleasant, extremely narcissistic, untrustworthy individual.

but, even though it is just speculation, it is one of the reasons why i thought an organisation that helps thai children should be the recipient of all monies this record generates.

stirmonster, Monday, 11 September 2017 19:24 (two months ago) Permalink

Stirmonster otm. I would never call Mackenzie "serious and credible" a witness. A short glance on his blog will show you this is not the case. Touch and Staalplaat need to be destroyed, he specifically asks people to take those labels down because of some personal vendetta, and his demeanor is querulant a lot of the time. He does not have substantial evidence to back up his claim.

I don't feel any need to defend Sleazy or Jhon, at all, but Mackenzie is scraping the barrel here, shrouded in "trust me, I knew these guys once" type indictments.

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 11 September 2017 21:04 (two months ago) Permalink

starting out your blog post with screenshots of 4chan is not the way to look very credible, imo

mh, Monday, 11 September 2017 21:07 (two months ago) Permalink

eh i've heard this same stuff for years and years. i believe it.

Shart Dressed Man (kurt schwitterz), Monday, 11 September 2017 21:37 (two months ago) Permalink

I've heard it too, but it never went any further than "it's been said for years and years" which is kind of the problem. Hafler as well: it's all "trust me, I know" instead of actually saying what he knows or saw or whatever.

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 11 September 2017 21:43 (two months ago) Permalink

he said he knew Sleazy would go to Thailand to have sex with young children.

Shart Dressed Man (kurt schwitterz), Monday, 11 September 2017 22:25 (two months ago) Permalink

how is that not "actually saying what he knows" ?

Shart Dressed Man (kurt schwitterz), Monday, 11 September 2017 22:26 (two months ago) Permalink

I think there's a noncommittal vagueness to repeatedly implying something and saying "I have been vocal about _this_" while alluding to Saville, etc. and posting 4chan screenshots, and not explicitly saying what you mean

there's an implication but not an accusation, and it all reads very much like gossip

mh, Monday, 11 September 2017 23:29 (two months ago) Permalink

actually "saying what he knows" would be "I know he went to Thailand and later moved there to have sex with..." and then an actual accusation

I mean if you just put Saville on there he could mean virtually anything

mh, Monday, 11 September 2017 23:30 (two months ago) Permalink

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willem, Saturday, 23 September 2017 10:04 (one month ago) Permalink


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