Coil s/d c/d etc

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well you know what to do.. get to it!

Wyndham Earl, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

i hope you havent already done this one. i checked the c/d s/d categories at the bottom and there was no evidence of it..

Wyndham Earl, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Destroy: Angelic Converstaion, Astral Distaser (kewl name, crap album), The Queens of the Circulating Library. Gold is the Metal.

Search: Most everything else, but I happen to like early/mid 90's coil best: Love's Secret Domain, Stolen & Contaminated Songs, Black Light Distict, Worship the Glitch, Unnatural History 3.

Classic, obviously.

fletrejet, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

back after a while.... well in coil's recent production there's more than a gem and my preferences would go to music to play in the dark vol1and2 and worship the glitch . their best older albums are horse rotorvator and love's secret domain.... but this is just a start cuz the whole of their production has something interesting in it....

francesco, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

We must have done this sometime but... The two big starting points for older Coil would have to be the albums Love's Secret Domain and Horse Rotarvator. Destroy: Gold is the Metal. Time Machines, like most of their newer stuff, is a bit too abstract for my tastes.

bnw, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

it sounds like the kind of thing you would have done. i know you did a nurse with wound one and i can't find that anywhere, which is annoying cos i wanted to do a nurse with wound s/d..

Wyndham Earl, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Most interesting rendition of "Tainted Love." Beautifully harrowing.

Alex in NYC, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

hm, could Glorian Jones have ever conceived that her little northern soul ditty would become such a goth staple..

Wyndham Earl, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The Nurse with Wound thread is here. Much of these older threads are sitting in the Uncategorized section, after they fall off the New Questions list. There's constant talk about getting the uncategorized section into order, so this may be fixed up in the next decade.

Sean Carruthers, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, and search: Horse Rotorvator. I won't destroy anything because I'm not familiar enough with it.

Sean Carruthers, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

most of their recent stuff successfully blends their more goth-friendly, slightly cheesy elements with modern electronic sounds; specifically search "music to play in the dark" 2 and then 1. "astral disaster" is, if you ask me, some kind of weird tribute to germany in the 1970s. and kate bush. also, "how to destroy angels" (worth it just for the NWW remix of the title), scatology, constant shallowness (mostly noise, but "green child" is great/weird songiness), black light district (excellent side project), and even the snaky, inky blackness of time machines are worth checking out.

overrated: love's secret domain, the hellraiser themes (both of which i sold for $50+ each back in the day, wahoo capitalism) and queens of the circulating library.

your null fame, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Search: Scatology (which is impossible to listen to with the lights off)

Destroy: Tainted Love (lasts for 3 hours and goths like it)

flowersdie, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

nine months pass...
10 coil tracks i should download?

gareth (gareth), Sunday, 24 November 2002 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link

not tainted love! umm, their cover of who by fire was good, i think. maybe "the first five minutes after death"? i haven't listened to any coil in years...

toby (tsg20), Sunday, 24 November 2002 18:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Scatology and The Horse Rotorvator are both great albums (and recently rereleased at that), while the Windowpane and the Snow EP is good testimony to how they both listened to where dance music was going and ended up influencing a fair amount of it (via Warp/Autechre connections), but I'm not as strong as more recent work, unfortunately. These days I seem to be into Current 93 the most.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 24 November 2002 18:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Baby Dee, a Current 93-related project, is AWESOME.

J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Sunday, 24 November 2002 18:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I should listen to some of Coil's recorded stuff. I saw them live at Mind Your Head Festival 2002 in London (I was there to see Sigur Ros of course) and they sucked REALLY bad. It was the wankiest shit I'd ever fallen asleep to, but people tell me they're far better on record than live. Meh.

Callum (Callum), Sunday, 24 November 2002 21:05 (eighteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...
i have been playing music to play in the dark volume 2, and i like it. its quite goth of course, but "where are you" is quite deathly...it reminds me of an evil momus

"where are you? no one has seen you in years" is a great line, and should be used more often...people who fall off the radar have been a romantic staple of pop for years of course, but this captures it well

gareth (gareth), Sunday, 22 December 2002 14:14 (eighteen years ago) link

recently rereleased at that

Are they available as a domestic release in the U.S.?

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 23 December 2002 23:10 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
revive!

can't believe i missed this for so long...coil are def one of my favorite bands, although i rarely think of them as such. love the early stuff, get iffy on the wax traxian phase, love love LOVE the last four-five years. if 1999/2000 hadn't been such overwhelming years for albums, both vols of musick to play in the dark would have been high placers in my top 10s.

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 16 March 2003 05:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Dang, now I'll have to catch up. Of the recent material, I have some of those seasonal EPs, I likes 'em.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 March 2003 06:12 (eighteen years ago) link

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gaz (gaz), Sunday, 16 March 2003 10:03 (eighteen years ago) link

It was a fun moment when dour industrialists like Psychic TV and Coil suddenly caught disco fever and started tooling up for hermetic house tracks. On records like Love's Secret Domain you can hear the pale molemen emerging from the darkness of their secret laboratory and squinting into the light of a mirror ball.

Search: the twisted sound collages, the idiosyncratic approach to house, the chilly ambience.

Destroy: the crypto-sexual conspiracy theorizing, the gothic growling, the big gated eighties drum sounds.

EC, Sunday, 16 March 2003 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link

...meanwhile, Jourgensen & Co. donned their novelty cowboy hats and started building bridges between industrial sauce pan clank-sampling and various forms of mutant rawk: post-hardcore, pigfuck, grindcore, etc.

Coil's disco steps and Ministry's distorted barre chords weaned a lot of listeners from industrial dance's cold and wizened teet. All the A students started sneaking out of the Wax Trax School of Spooky Chain Rattling.
Some fled to a more cheerful dance floor, while others turned to Am Rep and/or Earache for more guitar-based ugliness.

That being said, there are still plenty of clubs which function as industrio-gothic Greenfield Villages, and I'm sure they're very meaningful to their black-clad regulars.


EC, Sunday, 16 March 2003 20:55 (eighteen years ago) link

love love LOVE the last four-five years

this inspired me to check out the recent stuff & jesus christ it's good. i can't stop playing "batwings" (off musick... vol 2). it's going to take an age to listen to all the mp3s i've just downloaded (sometimes slsk just give you too much), but i'm loving it all so far.

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 15:06 (eighteen years ago) link

not tainted love!
Too late fr me. gawd that cover is horrible.
i haven't listened to them much to decide though.

rex jr., Tuesday, 18 March 2003 16:22 (eighteen years ago) link

gawd that cover is horrible.

It all makes sense when you see the video -- best cameo ever in that too, BTW.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 16:24 (eighteen years ago) link

...oh yes, and hip hop! Hip hop is the other reason that gore flick sound biting is no longer a viable way to fill a dance floor. The Bomb Squad inspired fans of atonal sound collage to move from the taffy pull to the cabbage patch.

Al was bending the brim of his cowboy hat, and Coil were putting on their boogie shoes, so second-string tin pounders like Meat Beat Manifesto and MC 900 Foot Jesus were left with the thankless task of recording hip hop records for white guys in black clothes.

EC, Wednesday, 19 March 2003 04:39 (eighteen years ago) link

...only it's not so simple. "Industrial dance" was a dark reflection of concurrent forms of dance music since its inception. If you owned "Sensoria," "Every Day is Halloween," and a crushed refrigerator box, you could have been doing some eerie, sex magickal breakdancing throughout the first half of the eighties.

You could have finished your routine by doing the robot with Kraftwerk. Those androids were burning up every dancefloor, cardboard or otherwise. It's no good trying to explain musical genres to dancing robots. They'll just stare blankly at you as they continue to shake their mechanical booties.

EC, Wednesday, 19 March 2003 14:36 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
i'm pretty into the new album-in-progress, "black antlers". they've done a great cover of "all the pretty horses" for it.

also i heard a track off "plastic spider thing" and it's fantastic, much to my surprise. i might have to check the rest of the album out.

toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 06:33 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh dear. Oh dear indeed. Oh, BTW, Toby, coz I'm too lazy to look up your old thread. Are you still interested in the new TG stuff, or did you find it already? I've got some and I didn't have to sign seven layers of secrecy to get it, mwah hah hah.

Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 07:19 (sixteen years ago) link

i've got tgnow if that's what you're talking about kate - but if you have anything else then i'm interested, and thanks in any case.

yes, it is a bit oh dear. i'm sure i'll have gone off coil again in a few days, don't worry.

toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 09:03 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't actually know what I've got - a friend gave me a discload of MP3s I haven't really gone through yet. At least two albums worth, some live and some studio.

(I just said Oh Dear because I've had two days worth of gossip about Coil from two different people in the past week. Oh dear on all levels, really.)

People love Gravity and Evolution! (kate), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 09:05 (sixteen years ago) link

ignore those who said destroy gold is the metal and time machines. everyone knows time machines is a drone masterpiece and gold is the metal is CLASSIC for "cardinal points." Also, search the amethyst deceivers EP. it's a good way to get started on their less danceable stuff.

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 15:41 (sixteen years ago) link

ooh kate i've only just seen this, and i have to run off to glastonbury now, but that sounds very interesting...

toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 16:33 (sixteen years ago) link

"Dang, now I'll have to catch up. Of the recent material, I have some of those seasonal EPs, I likes 'em.
-- Ned Raggett (ne...), March 16th, 2003."

Yeah, the four EPs were collected as 'Moon's Milk', which I recommend if you've got time to focus on them, as they move pretty slowly. I like to listen to them while I go to sleep, although there are extremely nutty and frightening tracks at the end and start of the two CDs, so if you're not asleep by them it's pretty fucked.

Other than that I only have 'ove's Secret Domain' which is awesome. I'm always loking for more Coil.

Has anyone heard that track they made featuring a guy's phone message whose boyfriend was a huge Coil fan and topped himself by jumping off a cliff? What's it called?

Also what's with them throwing half their releases off cliffs and things?

Sasha (sgh), Thursday, 24 June 2004 01:18 (sixteen years ago) link

four months pass...
John Balance, RIP.

3underscore (___), Monday, 15 November 2004 13:17 (sixteen years ago) link

i've been listening to 'heartworms' and 'batwings' a lot in the last 24 hours. i know this is maybe the wrong time to ask this, but if anyone can suggest any other coil tracks that sound anything like either of these two, i'd be very grateful.

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 16:26 (sixteen years ago) link

listen to 'a cold cell' and try to keep that lump in yr throat at bay!

stirmonster, Tuesday, 16 November 2004 20:47 (sixteen years ago) link

five months pass...
Just managed to download the full twelve minute rendition of "Red Birds Will Fly Out of the East and Destroy Paris in a Night" and it sounds like Moroder's score for Midnight Express after getting a syringe filled with pop rocks rammed up its jixie.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 23 April 2005 05:11 (sixteen years ago) link

Re-posted from another thread.

So, like, I've been entirely steeping myself in COIL these days, trying to catch up. I picked up the re-mastered Horse Rotorvator (though I had the Some Bizarre edition -- which the band has since renounced). I also picked up the Unnatural History II disc in order to finally hear the aborted tracks from Hellraiser (I really wanted them to be scarier, truthfully, but there's a lot of other great stuff on the disc). The stuff I was really looking for but couldn't seem to find, however, was Love's Secret Domain and Musick to Play in the Dark Vol.1. I'd looked all around the likely shops in NYC, but came up empty, and their official site (Threshold House) has closed the shop for now. Failing everything else, I went to eBay, and won a used copy of L's.S.D (at no great savings to me), figuring I'd never find it anywhere else. It hasn't arrived yet.

So, today, on a lark, I pop into Tower Records on Broadway looking for nothing in particular. Once upon a time (in the days of vinyl), if you were looking for a record and Tower didn't have it, there was a good chance that said record simply didn't exist. But, that was then. In the ensuing years, Tower has fallen into a decline that recalls the fall of the Roman Empire. They're a lost cause teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. But sure enough -- push me down the anal staircase! Their in the import section are more COIL releases than I've ever spotted in any locale...including Musick to Play in the Dark Vol.1 (which I instantly snapped up) and....rotorvate my damn horse...Love's Secret Domain...WRAPPED, PRISTINE AND FACTORY SEALED...unlike the used version I'm waiting to arrive in the mail, which -- for all I know -- may have been used as a coaster. I suck.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 1 May 2005 22:17 (sixteen years ago) link

buy that new one and resell the ebay one?

I really dig the first vol. of Unnatural History, some really strange sounds on there.

Amon (eman), Sunday, 1 May 2005 22:24 (sixteen years ago) link

what do you think of musick to play in the dark alex?

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Sunday, 1 May 2005 22:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Is Loves Secret Domain really hard to come by nowadays? I thought it was just remastered and reissued in 2001.

jason., Sunday, 1 May 2005 23:15 (sixteen years ago) link

what do you think of musick to play in the dark alex?

Only got it today, so haven't had a chance to listen to it (it's tough with a little person in the house....I've ripped it to my iPod, so shall listen intently to it soon enough).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 1 May 2005 23:24 (sixteen years ago) link

REVIVE AGAIN!

I'm well into Musick to Play in the Dark 1, though I'm not wild about "The Dreamer is Still Asleep". Love's Secret Domain isn't what I expected at all, but I'm quite enjoying it. I love the title track and the two "Teenage Lightning" tracks. Been downloading some of their other stuff (and oof is there a lot of it). I agree with whomever said it above that much of it is just far too abstract (notably the stuff fom the COIL-ANS box), but none of it is dull, at the very least.

Secondly, the General Store at the Threshold House site is back open...czech it out! http://www.thresholdhouse.com/

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 14 May 2005 01:51 (sixteen years ago) link

From the re-release of Scatology (I have the Some Bizarre edition, not the new one)....this still bothers me (from the original artwork to the The Anal Staircase e.p. I'd say "Not Work Safe," but I'm not entirely sure if the image in the center is...well....what I think it might be.

http://www.brainwashed.com/common/images/covers/loci15_traycard.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 14 May 2005 01:59 (sixteen years ago) link

See, now, that's how they get you. If you were sure of what it was, it wouldn't be as upsetting.

daria g (daria g), Saturday, 14 May 2005 04:33 (sixteen years ago) link

The live drums fills on the title track of Love's Secret Domain are hugely satisfying.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 14 May 2005 05:32 (sixteen years ago) link

those are by Charles Hayward, drummer from This Heat.

Amon (eman), Saturday, 14 May 2005 05:57 (sixteen years ago) link

w the caveat i was just listening over streaming i thought the mix on the new wax trax remaster sounded amazing

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 9 March 2021 06:22 (three months ago) link

lol i just did that myself and thought the same thing

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 March 2021 06:41 (three months ago) link

I just sent a message to Wax Trax! to ask whether they're going to have any EU distribution for the 2LP LSD edition, would definitely like to get that one but I've had bad experiences with shipments from US recently. I'll let you know if I receive any info.

jvc, Tuesday, 9 March 2021 08:34 (three months ago) link

omg I cannot fucking wait to throw this vinyl on

I like signing up to dead sites (sleeve), Tuesday, 9 March 2021 16:08 (three months ago) link

this is very silly and I will retract if it is in poor form, but:

if anybody wants my old bootleg of LSD (only played a couple of times, sounds...okay!), it's yours for the cost of shipping via PayPal, just let me know

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Tuesday, 9 March 2021 16:49 (three months ago) link

"your order from infinite fog productions is on its way"

StanM, Friday, 12 March 2021 17:53 (three months ago) link

really? I thought it wasn't out till May

Paul Ponzi, Friday, 12 March 2021 19:29 (three months ago) link

it's coming from Russia. Probably won't arrive until May. 2022.

stirmonster, Friday, 12 March 2021 20:25 (three months ago) link

you're probably right. Didn't realize IF was based in Russia

Paul Ponzi, Friday, 12 March 2021 21:36 (three months ago) link

Global mail has been so messed up over the last year. i frequently have to organise shipments out of Germany. A while back it was not possible to ship from Germany to New Zealand. I still don't know why. i had to ship Germany > Scotland > NZ. I also had to have a package sent from Germany to New York. It left Cologne on December 10th and i just heard it reached Staten Island post office today. Madness!

stirmonster, Friday, 12 March 2021 21:52 (three months ago) link

Got my stimbus, preordered the Wax Trax edition- after some waffling, went with the piss yellow vinyl (excuse me, "amber"), hopefully we're far enough past colored vinyl being inferior quality that I can enjoy it in peace

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 18:14 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

soleilmoon sent me my copy of the infinite fog LSD reissue so i guess all the fash labels work together.

my CD copy has a hilariously dimly printed cover, really enhances the gray market/bootleg feel of the whole project.

adam, Saturday, 17 April 2021 19:25 (two months ago) link

Speaking of fashy labels, I've been reluctant to order stuff from Cold Spring's Discogs page because of their associations with all kinds of unpleasantness. Are Cold Spring still mixed up in all that or are they OK now?

paolo, Sunday, 18 April 2021 09:26 (two months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Coil Iceberg 2! featuring plenty of obscure facts, music, and lore 🌙 pic.twitter.com/ESWx8FgXRA

— Pequod (@The_Pequod_) May 6, 2021

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 May 2021 19:42 (one month ago) link

lol nice

"Gaspar? No way." (sleeve), Thursday, 6 May 2021 19:50 (one month ago) link

Was curious about my pre-order from Infinite Fog and saw this on the Bandcamp page:

Message from INFINITE FOG PRODUCTIONS: Due to the COVID-19 pandemic, we are temporarily unable to mail records and other physical merchandise. We appreciate your support, and we will ship your order as soon as we can.

Pretty vague. Anyone get their LSD reissue?

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 19 May 2021 19:11 (one month ago) link

yes, a couple of weeks ago even

StanM, Wednesday, 19 May 2021 19:49 (one month ago) link

Hmmm. OK, thanks!

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 19 May 2021 21:56 (one month ago) link

Same here (NL), was notified of the shipment by mail early this month and received it a couple days later

willem, Thursday, 20 May 2021 08:13 (one month ago) link

... and it's fine - remaster sounds better than my original CD, booklet contains lyrics and short bits by Steven Stapleton and Danny Hyde, artwork maybe a bit darker than I would have liked, square poster of the cover art. Bonus CD - had to get it because I'm a completionist but these alt versions, while sometimes interesting, are always disappointing in the end, aren't they?

StanM, Thursday, 20 May 2021 11:01 (one month ago) link

A month till my WaxTrax LSD pressing gets sent, so the message up thread has lessenned my regret at not going for the nearer and cheaper Infinite fog release.

I was interested in the ColdSpring Coil compilation I saw advertised, but if they are a label with some unpleasant connections, I'll save my money and ask if there are any homemade introductions to Coil, I should look out for?

bought MTPITDV1 on LP a few weeks ago, to support a local record store, so thats been a lovely listen whilst waiting for a parcel with a chicago postmark.

my opinionation (Hamildan), Thursday, 20 May 2021 11:38 (one month ago) link

xxpost Hey Willem tried to reach u via ILX mail but seems you’re not on there? Anyhow — Thank you for the kind words. Unfortunately I don’t have any of those cd’s anymore. Gone in the mists of time...

Now...back to Coil.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 20 May 2021 15:12 (one month ago) link

xpost there is a TON of stuff on archive.org, fwiw

sleeve, Thursday, 20 May 2021 17:42 (one month ago) link

https://archive.org/details/CoilFlacDiscography

sleeve, Thursday, 20 May 2021 17:48 (one month ago) link

Is that torrent official? (Insofar as anything Coil-related is official anymore.)

joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Thursday, 20 May 2021 18:29 (one month ago) link

xxxpost Hey JV, not sure why ilx mail wouldn't work but thanks for letting me know!

willem, Thursday, 20 May 2021 18:36 (one month ago) link

@Hamildan this is a good introductory best of type compilation - https://www.discogs.com/Coil-The-Golden-Hare-With-A-Voice-Of-Silver/release/194197

paolo, Friday, 21 May 2021 07:41 (one month ago) link

Via IF's bandcamp mail:

All the US orders will be shipped during the next several days

willem, Friday, 21 May 2021 08:19 (one month ago) link

@paolo: that's the same compilation that Hamildan was talking about. Your link goes to the original version which is now deleted, the reissues are on Cold Spring.

joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Friday, 21 May 2021 08:29 (one month ago) link

Yeah, that comp is essential.

Paul Ponzi, Friday, 21 May 2021 10:30 (one month ago) link

Oops. Well here's an NTS mix that isn't exactly a best of but is a good introduction - https://www.nts.live/shows/in-focus/episodes/in-focus-coil-31st-october-2020

paolo, Friday, 21 May 2021 11:05 (one month ago) link

The WaxTrax LSD on bandcamp is high res (96k/24bit) fyi for snake oil fans.

Noel Emits, Friday, 21 May 2021 11:13 (one month ago) link

Buried at the bottom of the Wax Trax newsletter I almost deleted:

This is an update for all our Coil pre-orders. We have run into an issue with the upcoming release of Coil’s, Love’s Secret Domain. Like many other labels over this past year, we are getting word of some unforeseen delays in the record pressing supply chain. There has also been a quality issue in production that we weren’t happy with and as result the release will be pushed back approximately four weeks into July. The record pressing supply chain was out of our hands, but the quality issue is something we feel strongly about and ultimately we will have a superior product to pass along to you all.

Wonder if the CD will also be delayed

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 1 June 2021 16:54 (three weeks ago) link

I'd imagine CD will be on time. I've run into the vinyl issue constantly in the past few months. All last year I had quality problems with various plants. And I was recently given an estimated 40 week turn around from a plant for a record.

Oblique Strategies, Tuesday, 1 June 2021 18:09 (three weeks ago) link

That's insane! 40 weeks? Most bands are broken up by then!

I ordered both CD and LP so hopefully the CDs arrive on time, at least.

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 1 June 2021 18:21 (three weeks ago) link

My copy of the Loves Secret Domain 3LP on Infinite Fog arrived. I'll keep this positive and say that I'm glad I bought the Wax Trax version too.

Oblique Strategies, Thursday, 3 June 2021 19:06 (two weeks ago) link

i'm glad i avoided temptation.

i fear vinyl-geddon may be on the horizon. 40 week turnarounds and cost of manufacturing reaching a point where the dealer price is going to breach what shops are prepared to pay (at least for new / unknown / very niche artists).

stirmonster, Thursday, 3 June 2021 19:16 (two weeks ago) link

My copy of the Loves Secret Domain 3LP on Infinite Fog arrived. I'll keep this positive and say that I'm glad I bought the Wax Trax version too.

― Oblique Strategies, Thursday, June 3, 2021 3:06 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I bought both too, and am still awaiting my IF order, so give it to me straight: shoddy packaging, bad sq, or both?

Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 3 June 2021 23:47 (two weeks ago) link

I know you're not asking me but I have the CD and no complaints about either (except the artwork being a bit dark maybe) ?

StanM, Friday, 4 June 2021 04:29 (two weeks ago) link

the cd artwork looks like it was made at kinkos

adam, Friday, 4 June 2021 12:46 (two weeks ago) link

OK, So the artwork is definitely dark on the vinyl too. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say that it may be closer to Stapleton's original art but the band must have increased the saturation for a reason to bring out the vivid red that I always associate with this record.
The mastering and pressing are "fine". They exist in that uncanny valley where there's nothing fundamentally wrong about them but they lack life and spark. Your mileage may vary with that assessment depending on how much of an audiophile you are. I'm not able to pinpoint specifically what I DON'T like other than that it's the first time I've listened to Loves Secret Domain and it's felt like a bit of a chore.
The additional tracks are interesting but not really essential. If you loved Swanyard then you'll probably enjoy them. Only the guitar only version of Teenage Lightning feels like something that could sit on Stolen and Contaminated Songs.
The wooden box was nice and given how much people are trying to flip them for it's probably a better investment than most cryptocurrency...

Oblique Strategies, Friday, 4 June 2021 18:05 (two weeks ago) link

it's probably a better investment than most cryptocurrency...

For sure. Coil prices are consistently crazy and they seem to have a lot of very well off fans. I sold a few Coil records early in the pandemic when I was in a big panic about having no income and my copies of Musick To Play In The Dark 1 & 2 raised enough to cover my mortgage for a few months.

stirmonster, Friday, 4 June 2021 18:23 (two weeks ago) link

i fear vinyl-geddon may be on the horizon. 40 week turnarounds and cost of manufacturing reaching a point where the dealer price is going to breach what shops are prepared to pay (at least for new / unknown / very niche artists).

― stirmonster, Thursday, 3 June 2021 20:16 (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Off topic, but I'm sure we've all noticed that the price of vinyl has been going up in recent years. If vinyl becomes less popular with mainstream consumers (I know that sounds super snobby but there you go) then will it become less expensive for underground artists to put records out? My understanding is that the main reason that the price of vinyl has gone up and pressing is taking longer is because of major labels clogging up the pressing plants.

paolo, Saturday, 5 June 2021 09:56 (two weeks ago) link

My CD copy of LSD is finally in the post after having ordered it in April

paolo, Saturday, 5 June 2021 09:57 (two weeks ago) link

My understanding is that the main reason that the price of vinyl has gone up and pressing is taking longer is because of major labels clogging up the pressing plants.

i fear it is going to be a very long time before the majors jump off what they perceive to be a vinyl gravy train. i also have a feeling purchasers of major label vinyl have a more price elastic relationship with it, so are more likely to be prepared to pay very high prices. i hope i am proved wrong.

stirmonster, Saturday, 5 June 2021 10:33 (two weeks ago) link

My take - The smaller indies who are pressing under 2000 copies of records are about to stop pressing vinyl.
Let's say they release 5 records per year with an average of 1000 copies pressed. That means they're out $50,000 (plus anything they advanced artists for recording) for up to 18 months before seeing a return from distributors.
I don't see how that's tenable for most labels. It's peanuts to a major label though. They'll churn out Ghostbusters soundtracks for Record Store Day as long as people are willing to buy them.

Regarding pricing. I honestly think it was kept somewhat artificially low for a long time but the Discogs flippers have proven that people will pay. Especially for re-issues or limited editions. Example - I recently missed the announcement for a new press of a record for '92. The pre-order from the label ($19.99) sold out so any stores who had copies started selling it for $70. The label did another pressing to stop the gouging but yeah. People are paying that money pretty regularly it seems.

Oblique Strategies, Saturday, 5 June 2021 20:10 (two weeks ago) link

yup the Diseno Corbusier reissues on Vinyilssimo immediately went oop and now are up to $70 each for new copies

sleeve, Saturday, 5 June 2021 21:40 (two weeks ago) link

but i think the number of people prepared to pay $70 is very low. looking at Diseño Corbusier's El Alma De La Estrella repress as an example, it has sold 10 times on discogs in 2 years.

£36.83 Average
£37.23 Median
£43.39 Highest
£25.98 Lowest

i agree people will pay HIGH prices for limited editions and reissues but it is depressing with regard to new releases. it can't end well.

stirmonster, Sunday, 6 June 2021 00:57 (two weeks ago) link

^^ that's the one I missed, cheapest copy shipped in the US is $86. I do realize it was reissued in 2012, it's been a while.

sleeve, Sunday, 6 June 2021 01:07 (two weeks ago) link


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