Why do people rag on Steely Dan's "Gaucho" so much?

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From what I gather, this final album before the Dan called it quits in the 80s seems to get panned generally speaking. I don't really get why this is? I've read "too slick/elevator music". B-b-but it's Steely Dan for chris'sake! Isn't that the point? I say if you find Gaucho to be too slick, then you have to throw your copy of Avalon into the garbage as well.

I guess I don't hear it as sounding so radically worse in quality relative to their other albums. If anything, the album in their discography it sounds closest to, Aja, is the album that seems to get unconditionally praised to the hilt by fans and critics alike.

I like Gaucho myself, especially the very underrated title track (funny lyrics, beautiful chorus, a song of theirs that should be played more often). Also "Time out of Mind" is quite enjoyable.

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 11 June 2005 03:39 (fifteen years ago) link

I love this album. It's a pretty sinister little capper on the first part of their career.

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Saturday, 11 June 2005 03:41 (fifteen years ago) link

How can it not be a great album with participating drummers such as Steve Gadd, Rick Marotta and the late Jeff Porcaro?

bahtology, Saturday, 11 June 2005 03:47 (fifteen years ago) link

it's probably my least favorite of the first 7, but that's not necessarily a harsh judgement. "Babylon Sisters" is one of my favorite opening tracks of any album ever, I love the way it just eases in ever so gently.

Al (sitcom), Saturday, 11 June 2005 03:49 (fifteen years ago) link

also: I think it's inevitable that people will rag on one of a band's worst albums (especially if it directly follows one of their best/biggest), even if the dip in quality is pretty minor.

Al (sitcom), Saturday, 11 June 2005 03:51 (fifteen years ago) link

it's one of mojo's top 100 albums...

Masked Gazza, Saturday, 11 June 2005 03:52 (fifteen years ago) link

j0hn to thread

metal assembly (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 11 June 2005 04:38 (fifteen years ago) link

what's not to like really. "Babylon Sisters" is a song that never fails to come to mind when I'm driving west on....Sunset to...the sea. It reminds me of "Slow" by Kylie in this weird way, because it's asking the listener to "shake it" in the middle of this tense, held-in-check chorus. Awesome. The rest is equally ace.

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Saturday, 11 June 2005 04:44 (fifteen years ago) link

People who "rag" on Gaucho should be taken away and destroyed. Every single track on it is classic, and it finishes with "Third World Mang," possibly the greatest Dan track ever.

Who exactly are these so-called "people" referred to in the original post? Everyone *I* know thinks Gaucho kicks ass.

retort pouch (retort pouch), Saturday, 11 June 2005 05:11 (fifteen years ago) link

"Third World Man" is the culmination of everything! Like what's left for the characters of all their songs previous to that one, now that the fun is over.

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Saturday, 11 June 2005 05:16 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm much more a fan of the first four records -- 'Katy Lied' is my fave -- but I like everything Gear has to say here. This is an incredibly dark record for something that's been tagged 'fuzak.'

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 11 June 2005 05:35 (fifteen years ago) link

Steely Dan was always playing the David Lynch/Blue Velvet card: this placid surface with the most banal American cliches floating on top, with this really fucking evil shit underneath.

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Saturday, 11 June 2005 05:38 (fifteen years ago) link

Heh heh. "FM"!

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 11 June 2005 05:42 (fifteen years ago) link

is it a matter of this album being where you start to meet donald fagan head on and realize that, distilled, he IS elevator music or FM or whatever. i think this, the slickness that bothers people, is also obviously this incredible talent/ability where his art reaches some sort of self-realization and also becomes a lot about pure style as opposed to I don't know what - meaning of any sort maybe. donald should really start doing IDM.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Saturday, 11 June 2005 06:38 (fifteen years ago) link

But there is meaning there -- I like Gear's use of the word "sinister" to describe the record. Some of this inheres in the ultra-slickness itself. They critique their own use of the sound on "FM," advising "Give her some funked-up Muzak, she'll treat you nice." And then some more on 'Gaucho' itself; check those arid repetitions of "Yougottoshakeit" on "Babylon Sisters."

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 11 June 2005 08:14 (fifteen years ago) link

'Gaucho' is also a very sad record. What does it mean that "Hey Nineteen" and "Time Out of Mind" were the *singles*?

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 11 June 2005 08:16 (fifteen years ago) link

"The kid will live and learn
As he watches his bridges burn"

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 11 June 2005 08:26 (fifteen years ago) link

"Beneath the precision, the effort to make it Right, is a recognition of how bizarre, how out of hand it's all getting."
-- Mitchell Cohen, Creem

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 11 June 2005 08:46 (fifteen years ago) link

i guess i don't listen to St. Dan that way. even the most depressing intimate SD song still screams mood, style, era, and place more than anything "meaningful" - not that its not meaningful for me, but in a different way than maybe songs usually are - esp. songs with such good lyrics. so I always thought those stories were just a backdrop so he can show us his power and esp. various tools of description and distillation (which are amazing). yet, maybe i'm just tired. and to be honest i haven't listened to this part. album in awhile. i'm probably thinking more of his solo stuff - like when he did nightfly which is VERY very slick in this way.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Saturday, 11 June 2005 08:49 (fifteen years ago) link

xpost - interesting

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Saturday, 11 June 2005 08:50 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, I love 'The Nightfly,' but it seems to represent a recharging of those powers of Fagen's that you describe. 'Gaucho' feels tired and maybe disgusted. The cutting college vignettes are gone, replaced by tales of chasing the dragon.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 11 June 2005 08:57 (fifteen years ago) link

oh yes, on NightFly that shit was in full swing. maybe gaucho fails for other reasons beyond the slickness factor - esp. if it feels tired and disgusted (but you're making it sounds interesting in terms of fagen letting his hair down a bit - he certainly LOOKS fucking tired and disgusted most of the time). but i'll have to relisten to comment.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Saturday, 11 June 2005 09:12 (fifteen years ago) link

Steely rules. Anyone who doesn't like them is a certain group of friends of mine who make fun of me cuz I like them. I like them as much as Christgau, which is saying something.

nonthings (nonthings), Saturday, 11 June 2005 09:17 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, I *dig* 'Gaucho.' But it took me a *long* time to get there. I like the fragility of it, the way that Fagen has stopped enjoying every moment of his snarkiness. It's hardly my favorite album of theirs, as I mentioned above. It's the one I've been putting on lately, though.

xpost

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 11 June 2005 09:21 (fifteen years ago) link

nonthings, are you new here? Lots of SD fans on the board. And I feel ya on the Christgau thing.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 11 June 2005 09:22 (fifteen years ago) link

I just picked up a copy of Christgau's Rock Records of the 70's and wow what a weird guy. I mean, I guess he was of his time but what a jackass. And at the same time how right on the money. Fuckin phrase-turner:

nonthings (nonthings), Saturday, 11 June 2005 09:30 (fifteen years ago) link

He's still of his time! And yeah, he's OTM on so much. And a fun read.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 11 June 2005 09:32 (fifteen years ago) link

"opening with and economic crash and closing with a smacked-out rumination about succor, betrayal, and Vietnam..." and then the review goes nowhere.

nonthings (nonthings), Saturday, 11 June 2005 09:33 (fifteen years ago) link

I prefer Lester Bangs, but can't find anything by him about the Dan/.

nonthings (nonthings), Saturday, 11 June 2005 09:34 (fifteen years ago) link

xxxpost - so funny, one of the first things i noticed on ILM was that people were into them. i think a lot of haters see their music as pseudojazz or something.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Saturday, 11 June 2005 09:38 (fifteen years ago) link

shit, Steve Gadd played on Aja. if he's a pseudojazz drummer then so is Buddy Rich.

nonthings (nonthings), Saturday, 11 June 2005 09:43 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah well...let them think what they will

ok to satisfy a weird curiosity. was donald fagen ever considered a hottie? or atleast a hipster/scenester back in the day? just surprised to find nothing of old pics online with him cavorting with models types (what i'd expect for some reason) or even just out in NY scene.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Saturday, 11 June 2005 09:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Probably too much of a malcontent to really embrace the scene.

As for the Dan's jazz element -- and the haters can tell the "pseudo" part to Phil Woods, Wayne Shorter, or for that matter, Fagen's piano playing -- has anyone else heard the Warne Marsh/Pete Christlieb album Becker and Fagen produced in the late '70s? Really fine postbop stuff.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 11 June 2005 09:54 (fifteen years ago) link

i'm glad of that...but still wish there were more pictures to drool over! haven't heard that album.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Saturday, 11 June 2005 10:12 (fifteen years ago) link

I want to like "Gaucho", and I do in a way. However, I feel like there is a notable drop in quality after the first two tracks. Certainly "Babylon Sisters" and "Hey Nineteen" are both among the very best of what they ever did, but the rest of the album, well, I love the production, I love the slick sound, I love the vocal harmonies and all. But I feel like the songs just aren't as strong as their 70s material, again with the exception of those first two brilliant tracks.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 11 June 2005 10:17 (fifteen years ago) link

christgau calls SD "pseudosophisticates" - so true. i think that is another thing that turns people off and makes the music embarrassing for some ... the relentless selfconscious coolness/headiness. i didn't know who christgau was...just read 3 interviews that were hilarious, stupid, incredibly OTM and insigtful and answered a lot of my questions - even the one on donalds scenesterdom! but his style of putting things down and then bringing them up just when you think he's going to pan something and the personal attacks etc. suck ass. sorry- back to thread topic!

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Saturday, 11 June 2005 10:37 (fifteen years ago) link

Who exactly are these so-called "people" referred to in the original post?

Well, this review from the AMG, for example (again, a not uncommon take that I've seen in reviews of this album):

"Aja was cool, relaxed, and controlled; it sounded deceptively easy. Its follow-up, Gaucho, while sonically similar, is its polar opposite: a precise and studied record, where all of the seams show. Gaucho essentially replicates the smooth jazz-pop of Aja, but with none of that record's dark, seductive romance or elegant aura. Instead, it's meticulous and exacting; each performance has been rehearsed so many times that it no longer has any emotional resonance. Furthermore, Walter Becker and Donald Fagen's songs are generally labored, only occasionally reaching their past heights, like on the suave "Babylon Sisters," "Time Out of Mind," and "Hey Nineteen." Still, those three songs are barely enough to make the remainder of the album's glossy, meandering fusion worthwhile."

How one could call this "meticulous, exacting, and rehearsed" in an especially negative way that does not apply to any of their other albums (again, especially Aja) is beyond me.

The aforementioned Christgau (Gaucho gets the lowest rating of all the Dan albums):

"With Walter Becker down to composer credits and very occasional bass, Donald Fagen progresses toward the intellectual cocktail rock he's sought for almost a decade--followed, of course, by a cadre of top-drawer El Lay studio hacks, the only musicians in the world smart enough to play his shit. Even the song with Aretha in it lends credence to rumors that the LP was originally entitled Countdown to Lethargy. After half a dozen hearings, the most arcane harmonies and unlikely hooks sound comforting, like one of those electromassagers that relax the muscles with a low-voltage shock. Craftsmen this obsessive don't want to rule the world--they just want to make sure it doesn't get them. B-"

1993 Rating of Steely Dan's albums (Rolling Stone, I believe?)
4 Can't Buy a Thrill
4.5 Countdown
5 Pretzel Logic (somewhere, my dad is smiling)
4 Katy Lied
3 Royal Scam
4 Aja
2.5 Gaucho

Before that, one of the early editions of the Rolling Stone Record Guide (IIRC, Gaucho got a

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 11 June 2005 10:50 (fifteen years ago) link

Oops--to continue, I was going to say "IIRC, Gaucho got

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 11 June 2005 10:52 (fifteen years ago) link

AARGH! "Gaucho got

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 11 June 2005 10:53 (fifteen years ago) link

??? Sorry, don't know what's happening there...

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 11 June 2005 10:55 (fifteen years ago) link

Gaucho is actually my favorite SD album, mostly because of "Third World Man," which as has been said already is amazing. Also: did anybody else notice that this phrase: "meticulous and exacting; each performance has been rehearsed so many times that it no longer has any emotional resonance" applies equally well to the films of Stanley Kubrick? I think they were working from a similar mindset. Each created their own world, which looked superficially like the real world, but darker.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 11 June 2005 11:52 (fifteen years ago) link

listened to Gaucho this spring for the first time since 1992, and now I would give it 3.5 or maybe even 4. in context, it sounded somewhat wan & rote around 1980 considering what else was going on. now it feels like SD's mature peak.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 11 June 2005 12:27 (fifteen years ago) link

lyrically, Gaucho's the darkest of them all: "Third World Man" is just horrifying, the title track is deeply troubling...they're all bleak

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Saturday, 11 June 2005 12:33 (fifteen years ago) link

Who thinks Aja is their best record? It represents the beginning of the end. I prefer rock Steely to smooth Steely; gimme "Countdown to Ecstasy" and "Katy Lied" over "Aja" and "Gaucho." And I'll take "The Nightfly" over "Gaucho."

That said, I can hear the sinister subtexts beneath the steely glint of the soporific music. For sure.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 11 June 2005 13:10 (fifteen years ago) link

x-post I like "Gaucho" more than I like "Avalon," and don't listen to either very much in the scheme of things. I'm a big "Royal Scam" fan myself.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Saturday, 11 June 2005 13:46 (fifteen years ago) link

I do think Aja is the masterpiece - lyrically so focused, and having a whole-cloth feel to it that I don't get from the pre-Aja ones. That said, I think my favorite is Countdown to Ecstasy, Aja's raucous twin: belligerent where Aja's cunning, openly brutal where Aja's covert. I know: "my favorite" vs. "the best" is a somewhat spurious distinction. But Aja does seem to me the most complete album, anyhow.

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Saturday, 11 June 2005 13:50 (fifteen years ago) link

the kubrick comment is very interesting. i immediately thought of eyes wide shut which in my opinion is the pinnacle of "superficially like the real world, but darker." i am still too much of a steely dan newbie to notice the similarities to kubrick beyond the superficial. ha. i always knew steely dan from growing up and going to parties of my mother's friends where their stuff was played constantly, but i never really connected with them until i started reading the copious ilm threads and thinking that i should really check them out again. over the past year or so i have slowly been picking up a random album of theirs when i go music shopping. haven't bought a dud yet...the one i listen to most lately is countdown to ecstasy. i don't have gaucho. the arrangement/production of their songs just kills me.

tricky (disco stu), Saturday, 11 June 2005 13:53 (fifteen years ago) link

also, ilm threads on steely dan are almost always good.

tricky (disco stu), Saturday, 11 June 2005 13:54 (fifteen years ago) link

The Kubrick comparisons are indeed apt. Just like I fall asleep during Kubrick's post-"Dr Strangelove" films, my attention starts to wander halfway thru Aja's title track.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 11 June 2005 13:58 (fifteen years ago) link

how can music "look like the real world"? this is a real question.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 11 June 2005 14:09 (fifteen years ago) link

You can find the source for the title track in 'Long as You Know You're Living Yours' from the Keith Jarrett and co album Belonging. Jarrett noticed this as well, sued and now receives a co-writing credit on the track.

calstars, Sunday, 3 June 2007 02:26 (thirteen years ago) link

AMG:

Themes:
Night Driving
At the Office!!!!
Late Night

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Sunday, 3 June 2007 02:38 (thirteen years ago) link

I just ordered a cheap used copy of this.

Hurting 2, Sunday, 3 June 2007 03:13 (thirteen years ago) link

In an advance copy of Marooned[ that a friend managed to snag, Phil Freeman devotes a third of his Motorhead essay to Gaucho; it's mostly an excellent encapsulation of this discussion.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 3 June 2007 12:49 (thirteen years ago) link

This is great (from the Stylus piece):

Consummate critics in their own right, Walter Becker himself nails Gaucho above. It wasn’t the peak of their sound, it was more like its implosion: a spotless album not only portraying and mocking, but literally embodying the shellacked vapidity of their Los Angeles lifestyles and the escape—a fantasy of breezy opulence—that their music offered to their fans.

It says exactly what I've always felt about them - that while satirizing a scene, they also create a perfect picture of it, so that I can feel like I'm in on the jokes even though they're about a lifestyle and time I never knew.

Hurting 2, Sunday, 3 June 2007 13:06 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah that's a good piece.

phish's golden age (imo) is 97 when they were deep in funk

stop it.

will, Sunday, 3 June 2007 13:56 (thirteen years ago) link

"Brut and charisma poured from the shadow where he stood"

really, these guys were The Best.

will, Sunday, 3 June 2007 13:59 (thirteen years ago) link

"Szechuan dumplings, now that the deal has been done. I'm the one."

My favorite Dan album.

Jon Lewis, Sunday, 3 June 2007 14:35 (thirteen years ago) link

In an advance copy of Marooned that a friend managed to snag, Phil Freeman devotes a third of his Motorhead essay to Gaucho; it's mostly an excellent encapsulation of this discussion.

Well, as I said in the piece, I had originally thought long and hard about making Gaucho my album pick for the book. It's still absolutely my favorite SD album; for me it works like a short story collection, something like Bret Easton Ellis's The Informers (a very underrated book, btw).

unperson, Sunday, 3 June 2007 18:04 (thirteen years ago) link

for me it works like a short story collection

absolutely OTM. The fullest flowering of their weird lyrical specificity.

Apologies for using the word "specificity".

Jon Lewis, Sunday, 3 June 2007 18:07 (thirteen years ago) link

I finally picked up a copy and I think it's great.

I had never caught one of the best lines in "Hey Nineteen" before:

The Cuervo Gold
The fine Colombian
Make tonight a wonderful thing

The way he phrases it is so spot-on -- he really sounds drunk and depressed, as though the tequila and coke are the only things propping him up.

Hurting 2, Sunday, 10 June 2007 15:26 (thirteen years ago) link

I think "Columbian" at the time meant weed - not that there isn't plenty of coke on the album, but "Columbian" was a common designator for weed at the time

J0hn D., Sunday, 10 June 2007 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link

Ah, ok. Actually drunk/stoned fits that line better than drunk/coked-up.

Hurting 2, Sunday, 10 June 2007 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link

And the whole mood of the song too - resigned rather than grandiose.

Hurting 2, Sunday, 10 June 2007 15:51 (thirteen years ago) link

I made myself coffee and read the OTHER Steely Dan thread again; it really is the most amazing thing on ILM.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 10 June 2007 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link

Please take me along when you slide on down

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 12:07 (thirteen years ago) link

So what the hell is the "Custerdome?"

Hurting 2, Saturday, 16 June 2007 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link

Becker: 'It's, ah, one of the largest buildings in the world. You know, an extravagant structure with a rotating restaurant on top.'

Fagen: 'It exists only in our collective imagination. In the Steely Dan lexicon it serves as an archetype of a building that houses great corporations...' "

from Reeling in the Years

will, Saturday, 16 June 2007 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link

i was kinda hoping it would be here. no luck.

will, Saturday, 16 June 2007 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

I was just in chat with a certain Alex-in-NYC-type (it's all good, hate on what you wanna hate on), and somehow Dan came up, and I found myself defending them at length (well, length for chat anyway) even though I know it's not like I'm going to create converts that way. But it helped me put a couple of ideas into words that apply well to Gaucho:

I feel like this album gets the same criticism as books that cause people to say things like, "I don't want to read another book about the problems of middle aged white guys." "Oh boo hoo. You're tired of taking young girls home for meaningless cocaine-fueled sex. Poor you." But that criticism doesn't see the forest for the white guys, so to speak.

And of course the haters with the bigger record collections don't like the over-perfect sound, but over-perfect is much more the point than perfect in this case -- it's an intentional counterpoint to how crusty with filth the characters are on the inside. The record is filled with singularly bloodless studio performances, and oh how people love to point that out, but once you get inside the album's point of view, the sound is an uncomfortable defense mechanism, like an overzealous tendency toward gallows humor (which Fagen also has, is the rightful owner of, and is very good at). The songs have the same kind of "mellow" as a violent prisoner on a huge dose of tranquilizers -- lookin' pretty chill right now, but still at high risk for hurting himself or someone else. Oh my god, what happens when all that shit wears off?

There are a lot of SD songs that deal with the same basic theme, but on this album it's distilled: this is a world where everyone wants nothing more than to be presentable, but that's been taken care of, and no one has any good ideas about what to want next. Instead they have some very bad ideas, ideas that victimize young women in the first two tracks, encourage the cycle of drug addiction in another two, foster poisonous and/or jealous relationships throughout, and then in "Third World Man" the coup de grace: giving up the whole game, total retreat, holing up in your house and engaging in some (undefined by the song) solitary, obsessive nuttiness until one day you accidentally blow up the neighborhood. (Of all the scary people on this record, that's the one I'm most afraid of becoming.)

I get grandiose with praise too often, but when will this album get its due as the breezily scathing, horrifyingly easy-going little masterpiece that it is?

kenan, Friday, 30 May 2008 06:37 (twelve years ago) link

See above thread.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Friday, 30 May 2008 07:15 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, I know, it was just on my mind, is all. Shrug.

kenan, Friday, 30 May 2008 08:06 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

I made myself coffee and read the OTHER Steely Dan thread again; it really is the most amazing thing on ILM.

-- Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, June 10, 2007 4:06 PM

Which thread in particular?

Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 10:43 (twelve years ago) link

This one.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 15:31 (twelve years ago) link

six years pass...

I've come to think there is no album more perfect and brilliant all the way through.

five six and (man alive), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 16:38 (five years ago) link

Glamour Profession might be the most underrated Dan song

five six and (man alive), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 16:38 (five years ago) link

I'm gonna join sw00ds and Vic Perry's podcast next week during which they'll interrogate me about sharing your feelings.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 16:39 (five years ago) link

awesome, looking forward to it, please post links when it is up

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 16:47 (five years ago) link

I have been trying to burn out on this album by playing it nonstop for a week, but it's not working

five six and (man alive), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 01:59 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

Is "Gaucho" the song a thinly-veiled letter from Donald to Walter about the latter's junk habit?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 16:40 (four years ago) link

Is "Gaucho" the song a thinly-veiled letter from Donald to Walter about the latter's junk habit?

I don't know, but I believe Third World Man is, and I find it very moving that this is their last song. Empathy is an underrated aspect of SD

Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 16:44 (four years ago) link

nine months pass...

I only just got the little "joke" in the bridge of Gaucho (it sounds like a mariachi band)

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Saturday, 16 September 2017 02:14 (three years ago) link

There are some drum phrases in this song that are so good that they're like a second set of lyrics

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Saturday, 16 September 2017 02:15 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

That wanker Mark Knopfler plays on “time out of mind”

calstars, Saturday, 15 June 2019 22:28 (one year ago) link

this was the first proper Dan album i bought on vinyl, and it has always, always gotten more play than their other records. i *adore* the title track particularly because it is so mean and brutal and pressed up against this shiny veneer. brilliant shit.

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Saturday, 15 June 2019 22:41 (one year ago) link

yeah, barely xp

flappy bird, Saturday, 15 June 2019 22:49 (one year ago) link

I assume it’s him on the opening bend lick

calstars, Saturday, 15 June 2019 23:11 (one year ago) link

Anyway the drums own that track anyway

calstars, Saturday, 15 June 2019 23:14 (one year ago) link

how many songs mention cherry wine besides "time out of mind" & "we don't have to take our clothes off (to have a good time)"?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 16 June 2019 05:09 (one year ago) link

i guess "babylon sisters" mentions kirschwasser...

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 16 June 2019 05:10 (one year ago) link

I think Knopfler's part is that pretty simple part that comes in later on in the song, I remember reading about how they had him play for hours and hours and what made it onto the song was maybe a few bars, of a very simple phrase

flappy bird, Sunday, 16 June 2019 05:37 (one year ago) link

not sure what version you jabronis are listening to but MKnopfler does all the leads over almost the entire of the version I have:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwgNbNfO_O8

check the left channel then he hits the phaser on the instrumental chorus then back to the left channel.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 16 June 2019 05:53 (one year ago) link

fuck wrong video, this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwgNbNfO_O8

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 16 June 2019 05:54 (one year ago) link

3rd times a charm?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJW2NH-CTJ8

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 16 June 2019 05:54 (one year ago) link

whew, yeah click that one. left channel, then phasor for the instru-chorus, then back to the left channel. stop listening to mp3s you jabronis.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 16 June 2019 05:55 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

I have been trying to burn out on this album by playing it nonstop for a week, but it's not working

― five six and (man alive), Tuesday, March 10, 2015 9:59 PM (five years ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is where I am right now. I have been immersing myself in the world this album builds--its numb depravity and decadence--for the past three days, and I don't think I can stop.

Someone on hipinion said the title track sounds like "a compilation of unusually well-produced local station IDs" which is spot-on and partly why I love that song so much

J. Sam, Monday, 21 September 2020 23:27 (two months ago) link

People who "rag" on Gaucho should be taken away and destroyed.

― retort pouch (retort pouch), Saturday, June 11, 2005 1:11 AM (fifteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

otm

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 11:24 (two months ago) link

The title track and "Third World Man" compete for best SD song.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 11:57 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

40 years ago today

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 21 November 2020 16:47 (one week ago) link

Mass Romantic yesterday, Gaucho today....what's next in line for the excellent album birthday celebration?

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Saturday, 21 November 2020 18:25 (one week ago) link


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