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Which album should I buy?

Marc-, Thursday, 9 June 2005 14:19 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Sleep & Wake-Up Songs EP

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 9 June 2005 14:21 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I really like the songs "red" and "kansas city".
Are the rest in the same style?

Marc-, Thursday, 9 June 2005 14:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

If those are your faves, DEFINITELY DEFINITELY get Don't Fall In Love With Everyone You Meet. It is, imho, one of the greatest albums ever made.

After that, when you become an OkkRiv megafanatic, get Black SHeep Boy next (it's great).

The EPs are mostly quieter and less, i dunno, "folksy" than "Red" or "Kansas City".

Sean M (Sean M), Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:20 (twelve years ago) Permalink

In other words, I def def def disagree with JOhnny Fever.

Sean M (Sean M), Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:21 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I guess I like my OkkRiv more folksy... in which case I guess I should just listen to Shearwater.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:23 (twelve years ago) Permalink

If those are your faves, DEFINITELY DEFINITELY get Don't Fall In Love With Everyone You Meet.

Hehe nice, I actually bought it on ebay just after starting this thread.

Marc- (feminazi), Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink

sean is otm. that album is totally captivating.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:17 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Down the River of Golden Dreams is their best album by a mile.
Full of great emotional songs.

Ludo (Ludo), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:04 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I don't have them all, but I'll still say Black Sheep Boy in a walk. One of the most amazing albums I've heard in the past few years.

JC-L (JC-L), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:13 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Their best songs are on the spilt CD with Julie Doiron.

Vic Funk, Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Yeah, get Don't Fall in Love with Everyone you See First (I like Westfall and Lady Liberty). Black Sheep Boy's good, too.

WillS, Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:34 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I only really know/own Down the River Of Golden Dreams and love that album, some powerful stuff. The new one, I have only heard a couple of times and like it so far. Looks like I need to hear some of their older stuff.

BeeOK (boo radley), Friday, 10 June 2005 05:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink

six months pass...
I have had "Black Sheep Boy" for six months now and still haven't figured out why the fuss. How hard do I have to squint before I get it?

Mitya (mitya), Sunday, 11 December 2005 16:36 (twelve years ago) Permalink

You shouldn't have to squint. But IMO it's the best album of the year. Cracking live show too, despite Will Sheff's strep throat and the drummer's fractured wrist.

Simon H. (Simon H.), Sunday, 11 December 2005 16:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink

yeah, my Album of the Year as well.

BeeOK (boo radley), Monday, 12 December 2005 09:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

having had this in the archive for 6 months with little in the way of love from me - i suddenly yesterday decided i really needed to hear it again. great album, and one that is now in the current pile and no longer the archive. tis all a question of timining - when it came out the sun was shining and their moody alt.rock.americana thing didn't fit, now the days are shorter and grey this album is by far one of the most wonderful albums i have heard.

mark e (mark e), Monday, 12 December 2005 12:38 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i dunno, i can only listen to a few of this band's songs - and shearwater's as well. they work well in theory for me, but i get bored with much of their material.

black sheep boy is a great version though.

AaronK (AaronK), Monday, 12 December 2005 14:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...
this album is GREAT. same for me as mark e, more or less. song after song, really well sequenced, really melancholy, kind of angry. i think i passed it over so much because it seemed just clunky and straightforward (which it is). so i cooked some sidekicks and "zen garden" frozen vegetables and listened to it, not expecting much - not expecting it to be more than it is - and what do you know: it is more than it is (?). a string of songs that tease a variety of moods of themselves, but all of them sharing this melancholic oversoul. it would be perfect in december. BRAVO, OKKERVIL RIVER. bravo.

A Giant Mechanical Ant (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 04:28 (eleven years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

New song/album announcement last night:

http://consequenceofsound.net/2011/01/11/watch-okkervil-river-debut-new-song-album-title-on-fallon/

I don't know how popular these guys are here, but I'm excited.

monster_xero, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 18:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

seems like they don't have much of a following here but i love "black sheep boy" and "the stage names", so i'm game for this

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 19:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm excited, been a huge fan of the last several releases.

one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 19:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm also a big fan, I ran this poll a couple of years ago:

Our Life Is Not a POLL or Maybe: Okkervil River Studio Albums

There was some discussion on another thread about the album they did as Roky Erickson's backing band. My feeling being that whatever deficiencies that record had were down to him rather than them.

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 19:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah I really like what they've been up to for the last few albums — dude's songwriting just keeps on getting stronger

new song doesn't blow me away but it doesn't really need to, y'know? definitely gonna check out the album

bernard snowy, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 19:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

He's also one of the best frontmen I've ever seen. Man he knows how to work an audience.

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 20:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'd never heard Okkervil River so I just downloaded Don't Fall in Love, and I can't seem to get past the opener, "Red". What a stunner!

what does xd mean (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 20:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

Black Sheep Boy is one of my favorite records of the last decade, and though the last couple were slight steps down, they haven't put out a bad record yet. Quite excited for this one. Also glad they took a little bit of a break between records this time; Stand Ins had some A+ material, but definitely felt rushed compared to its predecessors.

Evan R, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 20:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

Wasn't it recorded at the same time as The Stage Names, though?

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 20:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

It was, and at times it felt like leftovers. Not as bad as Sujfan Stevens' post-Illinois clearinghouse The Avalanche, but still not the band at their freshest.

Evan R, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 21:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

excited! still love this band.

World Series champion San Francisco Giants (Bee OK), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 06:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

Track-by-track preview of the new record here, supposed to be less "polished" and more "chaotic" than the last two:

http://www.spin.com/articles/exclusive-new-okkervil-river-track-track

The thing is, it's the way they walk the line between polish and chaos that makes them so ace in my view. Still, we'll see.

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Thursday, 10 February 2011 16:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

sounds okay to me, I could go for a little more chaos

there is a lout that never goes "aight" (bernard snowy), Thursday, 10 February 2011 16:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

New album The Silver Gymnasium on the way. Says Will:

On our last record, I Am Very Far, I was musically trying to both satisfy and to challenge myself; for The Silver Gymnasium, I wanted to write a record that was very much about trying to reach out to other people and show them a good time. I’d always wanted to write a record that was more based in autobiography, that spoke about my memories of how I felt and how the world around me seemed at a specific moment in the past, and it felt like a good time to finally do it. I thought John Agnello would be the perfect choice as a producer, not only because I’ve enjoyed his more recent records with people like Kurt Vile and Dinosaur Jr. but also because John is a much more old-fashioned producer who was actually involved with a lot of the music I listened to growing up, everything from Cyndi Lauper to John Mellencamp to the Outfield’s “Your Love.” John even worked on Born in the U.S.A. and was loitering around in the background during the making of Tom Petty’s Damn the Torpedoes; so he was actually present while they were making a lot of the music that inspired the kid version of me to want to be a musician and that inspired The Silver Gymnasium in general. Our goal with The Silver Gymnasium was to work quickly and decisively, to make a “band” record and not a fussy studio creation, and to make the most fun record we could possibly make.

- Will

The Silver Gymnasium tracklist:

1). It Was My Season
2). On A Balcony
3). Down Down the Deep River
4). Pink-Slips
5). Lido Pier Suicide Car
6). Where the Spirit Left Us
7). White
8). Stay Young
9). Walking Without Frankie
10). All The Time Every Day
11). Black Nemo

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Monday, 24 June 2013 13:56 (four years ago) Permalink

The last one took a while to grow on me but I really love it now, hoping for good things with this new one

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Monday, 24 June 2013 14:00 (four years ago) Permalink

tour also (obviously).

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 24 June 2013 14:10 (four years ago) Permalink

i LOVE this band, thanks for the new album info. it has been a while so i'm quite happy for some new stuff.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 June 2013 01:08 (four years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

kewl

Treeship, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 15:54 (four years ago) Permalink

LP is really good, by the way. Great return to form after the last one

Evan R, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 16:27 (four years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

So yeah, this album is still great.

Evan R, Sunday, 15 September 2013 00:52 (four years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

I hope (assume) this is the appropriate place to post this: http://okkervilriver.com/goldenopportunities

regards to broad street, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 23:34 (four years ago) Permalink

thanks!

Bee OK, Thursday, 19 December 2013 02:33 (four years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Yesterday, on a bit of a whim, I finally sought out the Tolstoya short story these guys took their name from, & I must say..... it was not at all what I expected!

Heroic melancholy continues to have a forceful grip on (bernard snowy), Friday, 3 July 2015 15:28 (two years ago) Permalink

in retrospect, "Okkervil River" the story has much less in common with "Okkervil River Song" than it does with the Stage Names/Stand-Ins twofer

Heroic melancholy continues to have a forceful grip on (bernard snowy), Friday, 3 July 2015 15:32 (two years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

I've tried so hard to love this band. I feel like if they'd put out about 50% fewer songs that were 15% better, then maybe.

rip van wanko, Friday, 21 August 2015 17:17 (two years ago) Permalink

Just give Black Sheep Boy one attentive spin from start to finish.

Evan R, Friday, 21 August 2015 18:32 (two years ago) Permalink

some of the music these guys have put out is so, so good. i just keep forgetting to check for new stuff

usic ally (k3vin k.), Friday, 21 August 2015 18:35 (two years ago) Permalink

still listen to the stage names once every couple of months

usic ally (k3vin k.), Friday, 21 August 2015 18:35 (two years ago) Permalink

Really loved them for a while, circa Stage Names and Stand Ins. There are definitely some knockout songs - "Unless It's Kicks" forever and ever please. But after while his bellow starts to grate. I burned out on most of the stuff I like, and the last couple of albums have not registered with me at all.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 21 August 2015 19:55 (two years ago) Permalink

I kinda loved I Am Very Far despite the maddeningly inconsistent production but the last album was such a drag

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Friday, 21 August 2015 20:01 (two years ago) Permalink

Love that bopping bassline, and the way it peters out like a fading pulse

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 4 September 2016 19:05 (one year ago) Permalink

Interesting to read about how "Days Spent Floating" was recorded, it totally does sound like an afterthought, but somehow not in a bad way. Loosens out into almost nothing.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 4 September 2016 19:15 (one year ago) Permalink

"Red" and "Kansas City" is an all-time one-two punch imo

pinkhushpuppies (rip van wanko), Monday, 5 September 2016 05:16 (one year ago) Permalink

I haven't given a shit about OR since The Stage Names. What is that, nine years ago? To this day, Black Sheep Boy is the only front-to-back great album in my book. And if I'm honest, from The Stage Names, only "Savannah Smiles" is the song that floors me to this day - that song is really an all-time "sad-bastard" classic.

I remember making copy CDs of BSB for all my friends - easily an album that translated across most of my friend-base, even among the "12-CD-a-year-club" friends that we all share. Given all that, I'm kind of surprised how little I care about a new release from this band. Their last couple have left me so cold. But I guess I still have some hope...

Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Tuesday, 6 September 2016 03:08 (one year ago) Permalink

give it a shot, my experience is basically parallel to yours

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 6 September 2016 03:13 (one year ago) Permalink

Soooooo yeah I think this might be the best thing Sheff's done so far.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 7 September 2016 09:20 (one year ago) Permalink

I think this is the best Okkervil album.

akm, Thursday, 8 September 2016 12:23 (one year ago) Permalink

(i'm going to listen to the new one soon)

"black sheep boy #4" -- wow, still so moving after all these years

have you ever even read The Drudge Report? Have you gone on Stormfron (k3vin k.), Saturday, 10 September 2016 05:37 (one year ago) Permalink

i can't stop listening to this album

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Saturday, 10 September 2016 16:01 (one year ago) Permalink

this is not as much of a departure sonically as people were making it sound but it feels fresh regardless

ciderpress, Saturday, 10 September 2016 17:10 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm starting to think the album would be a little better off, pacing-wise, without "She Would Look For Me" but otherwise I'm still enamored. Reviews have been surprisingly middling for the most part? They all have the feel of folks who listened to it maybe twice.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 10 September 2016 18:33 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm in love with "Mary On a Wave," love that almost-groove.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 10 September 2016 18:37 (one year ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnXEtu6nwFY

did we know that scott walker covered "black sheep boy"??

have you ever even read The Drudge Report? Have you gone on Stormfron (k3vin k.), Saturday, 10 September 2016 20:07 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah! everyone loves tim hardin

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Saturday, 10 September 2016 20:09 (one year ago) Permalink

oh duh i forgot the song "BSB" was a tim hardin cover

have you ever even read The Drudge Report? Have you gone on Stormfron (k3vin k.), Saturday, 10 September 2016 20:09 (one year ago) Permalink

not really feeling this on first listen :( will definitely try again

have you ever even read The Drudge Report? Have you gone on Stormfron (k3vin k.), Sunday, 11 September 2016 19:12 (one year ago) Permalink

It took me a few listens. Hell, it took me 5 or 6 to make sense of "Call Yourself Renee" as the second track.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 11 September 2016 20:22 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah it took more listens than usual but i adore this album now

ciderpress, Sunday, 11 September 2016 22:59 (one year ago) Permalink

it's a bit of a trojan horse where the previous albums were all very up-front about going straight at your emotions

ciderpress, Sunday, 11 September 2016 23:10 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm in love with "Mary On a Wave," love that almost-groove.

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, September 10, 2016 2:37 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink


this is stuck on repeat all night, it is special

ciderpress, Monday, 12 September 2016 02:36 (one year ago) Permalink

Ever the contrarian, I found myself thinking this might be their best album one the first run through and now, having listened again to BSB (although the appendix nudges it to a very high level admittedly) I am convinced it is. I can't understand how anyone could rate this as a seven out of ten album.

yugi ex, Monday, 12 September 2016 06:59 (one year ago) Permalink

I like this album fine but the idea that it's better than BSB or The Stage Names is indeed contrarian.

heaven parker (anagram), Monday, 12 September 2016 07:56 (one year ago) Permalink

not sure about BSB yet but I'll take this one over any other Okkervil record

ciderpress, Monday, 12 September 2016 11:25 (one year ago) Permalink

Maybe it's the fact that it reminds me (in places) of prime American Music Club but I definitely prefer it to TSN.

yugi ex, Tuesday, 13 September 2016 10:57 (one year ago) Permalink

Yeah, lyrically, this one is actually reminding me a lot of late-period AMC and recent solo Eitzel, where he crams in as many words as possible in a song and tells a story (ie: Patriot's Heart, Windows on the World).

akm, Tuesday, 13 September 2016 13:53 (one year ago) Permalink

I really like this album... maybe I should be listening to AMC! never tried getting into them tbh

OR releases since The Stage Names felt like a series of dead ends, an ever-improving band let down by some directionless songwriting (the Golden Opportunities series really stands head & shoulders above those records; I'm sure the live shows were great, too) & so it's nice to hear nine tracks' worth of memorable melodies & interesting lyrics again -- the looser, pared-back arrangements are also welcome, although I kinda dug the era of Will Sheff as mad fussy recording artiste getting 25 musicians in the studio for a single take, I think I'm way more likely to actually listen to this album the way through

whoever compared Away to Astral Weeks upthread was OTM (that comparison may even have come from the press kit? in which case, lol)

Tell me who sends these infamous .gifs (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 13 September 2016 14:38 (one year ago) Permalink

Lol I didn't get no press kit (I think)

niels, Tuesday, 13 September 2016 15:12 (one year ago) Permalink

maybe I should be listening to AMC! never tried getting into them tbh

This doesn't really sound anything like Eitzel/AMC to me but they're essential regardless. I recommend their final album The Golden Age as a starting point.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 13 September 2016 16:06 (one year ago) Permalink

this is the 3rd recent thing i like a lot that's had AMC invoked in discussion about it so i should probably get on that as well

ciderpress, Tuesday, 13 September 2016 16:21 (one year ago) Permalink

this showed up on Spotify, last time i checked it wasn't there.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 14 September 2016 23:36 (one year ago) Permalink

ciderpress, one of the other two were, I'm guessing, Ryley Walker (slightly more OTM)? what was the third?

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 15 September 2016 00:16 (one year ago) Permalink

god, black sheep boy is still so good. i have the stage names on CD and listen to it much more, and often will try to convince myself that it is superior, but...

have you ever even read The Drudge Report? Have you gone on Stormfron (k3vin k.), Thursday, 15 September 2016 03:26 (one year ago) Permalink

xp dont remember the 3rd but i remember thinking 'that's the second time' when someone said it for ryley walker

ciderpress, Thursday, 15 September 2016 03:43 (one year ago) Permalink

maybe i just have deja vu

ciderpress, Thursday, 15 September 2016 03:44 (one year ago) Permalink

Still listening to this in full every few days, still totally in love with it. Deserves to be mentioned right alongside the other (also great) Albums About Death that have dominated conversation this year (Bowie, Cave, to a lesser extent Touché Amore, more I'm forgetting I'm sure). On recent listens Marissa Nadler's backing vocals have really emerged as an essential bit of coloring.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 26 September 2016 23:09 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah it's really good. I listened to it so much while it was streaming that all the hooks are embedded in my head now, but I can't always remember which song a given snatch of melody occurs in, the whole thing is so much 'of a piece'

Tell me who sends these infamous .gifs (bernard snowy), Monday, 26 September 2016 23:44 (one year ago) Permalink

also: the departure from previous albums was what initially stood out, but now I've started to recognize lines of continuity, e.g. the way "Frontman in Heaven" recalls (to my ears) Okkervil River's outstanding cover of Big Star - "O, Dana"

Tell me who sends these infamous .gifs (bernard snowy), Monday, 26 September 2016 23:49 (one year ago) Permalink

that really is a great cover, I really love that first Golden Opportunities tape. I'd kill for them to release the full "Basement Tapes"-style session that produced some of those covers and "The President's Dead"

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 26 September 2016 23:55 (one year ago) Permalink

3 weeks out and i'm still listening to "Mary On a Wave" on repeat, this is the best song of his career

ciderpress, Wednesday, 28 September 2016 16:05 (one year ago) Permalink

masterpiece alert

niels, Monday, 3 October 2016 06:51 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm inclined to agree.

Really like every song but She Would Look For Me is the one that is offering up so much more than I initially thought would.

yugi ex, Monday, 3 October 2016 17:09 (one year ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

and of course, this is a perfect fall album

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 23 October 2016 23:40 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

...perfect for every fall, it turns out. I picked up the 2xLP early this year; the fourth side features a sidelong field recording (including a patch of rain), which is a nice alternative to the "fourth side etching" most bands are doing these days.

Simon H., Wednesday, 25 October 2017 23:48 (three months ago) Permalink

3 weeks out and i'm still listening to "Mary On a Wave" on repeat, this is the best song of his career

― ciderpress, Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:05 PM (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

still stand by this

ciderpress, Thursday, 26 October 2017 00:12 (three months ago) Permalink

not sure if I'd go that far but it is a blissful thing

Simon H., Thursday, 26 October 2017 01:00 (three months ago) Permalink

couldn't agree more

niels, Thursday, 26 October 2017 13:29 (three months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiOJBGjnV04

niels, Monday, 12 February 2018 10:40 (one week ago) Permalink

hmmmmmmm

Simon H., Monday, 12 February 2018 13:04 (one week ago) Permalink

while it's sonically completely different from Away, which imo was a masterpiece, I think the songwriting seems on point

niels, Monday, 12 February 2018 13:11 (one week ago) Permalink

dang i figured Away was gonna be a Final Album for the OR bandname

ciderpress, Monday, 12 February 2018 16:11 (one week ago) Permalink


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