70s Salsa (was The Fania Label 1970-1980: S/D)

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RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 2 June 2005 20:39 (fifteen years ago) link

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf200/f238/f238324nuca.jpg

this album kicks major ass. one of the santanas plays wicked guitar. i dunno why i never pursued salsa further, but if it's anything like this album, i really should (so daunting though, a whole gigantic genre to pick from)

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 2 June 2005 20:43 (fifteen years ago) link

Search the music on Willie Colon - Cosa Nuestra. Destroy the abysmal sound quality of the CD. Search the pretty good Fania article in one of the issues of Wax Poetics. Destroy Fania All Stars - Salsa, The Original Soundtrack. Once again, some great music but it's edited together in a strange way with voiceovers from Geraldo and the sound quality of a bad '70s documentary. That's all I know about '70s Fania but I'd love to hear some more recommendations.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 2 June 2005 20:52 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm going to go through my main CD tower of my favorite Latin CDs, then maybe check my mp3 files, etc.)

Justo Bentacourt: Pa Bravo Yo (1972)

http://ring.cdandlp.com/diaspora/photo_moyenne/21486947.jpg

I have to be in the mood for this one, and I admit my opinion of it has fluctuated a lot, but it's good. It sounds like this sticks pretty closely to Cuban models, compared to some salsa. (I'm going to have to use "salsa" in a broader sense than I usually prefer to use it, in order to discuss this, but I think it was used that way more often in the 70s. Anyway, this CD, for instance, has a couple boleros on it.)

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 2 June 2005 21:04 (fifteen years ago) link

That should be Betancourt not Bentacourt. It looks like I've been misreading and misspelling his name for about five years now.

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 2 June 2005 21:31 (fifteen years ago) link

Personal associations ILM-style:

I took a salsera friend to see the Sun Ra Arkestra one New Year's Eve (back when my life was temporarily fairly interesting). Because of a joint fund-raising effort between the Painted Bride Art Center (I think, unless it was some larger umbrella organization they belong to) and AMLA (Asociación de Músicos Latino Americanos), AMLA people had a presence at the show. They were playing Latin music during the intermission. "Pa Bravo Yo" came on and my friend and I looked at each other like: "We're going to have to dance to this one, aren't we?" but then the Arkestra came on and the song was cut off, leaving me momentarily disappointed.

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 2 June 2005 21:39 (fifteen years ago) link

(jason, incidentally, I don't know that album. I think I've read that it's more crossover than what they usually did though.)

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 2 June 2005 21:47 (fifteen years ago) link

Willie Colon [canta: Hector Lavoe]: El Juicio (1972)

http://www.cdbueno.it/copertine%20cd%20salsa%20vecchia/el%20juicio.jpg

Really good varied set of songs that work together well as an album. Ironic trombones.

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 2 June 2005 21:51 (fifteen years ago) link

(I'm not promising real comments.)

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 2 June 2005 21:52 (fifteen years ago) link

Willie Colon Presents Ruben Blades: Metiendo Mano

http://www.danzaymovimiento.de/data/images/jmax/jmax-fn000500.jpg

Pretty good, but not as good as. . .

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 2 June 2005 21:54 (fifteen years ago) link

Willie Colon & Ruben Blades: Siembra

http://www.link-age.or.jp/boca/disc/cg/022a.jpg

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 2 June 2005 21:55 (fifteen years ago) link

What are ironic trombones? That Siembra album cover is great by the way.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 2 June 2005 21:57 (fifteen years ago) link

Also quite good, though not on the same scale:

Willie Colon/Mon Rivera: There Goes the Neighborhood (1975)

(Only available image I can find is too small to bother with.) Siembra was from 1978, I forgot to say, and Metiendo Mano was from 1977.

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 2 June 2005 21:59 (fifteen years ago) link

Ironic trombones I guess are ones that intentionally sort of run out of steam, in this case. (Not in all tracks!) They sound funny. Out of key? I don't know, but they sound funny. (Also, Lavoe is often very funny on this, even though I don't know what he's saying. He must be really funny when you know Spanish.)

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 2 June 2005 22:01 (fifteen years ago) link

Acid, Ray Barretto!

Not nearly as trippy as one may expect from the title and cover but it does have the original Deeper Shade of Soul that the Urban Dance Squad expanded on so brilliantly.

jared, Thursday, 2 June 2005 22:02 (fifteen years ago) link

doh, that's totally 60s, my bad

jared, Thursday, 2 June 2005 22:03 (fifteen years ago) link

x-post: thanks for reminding me, you just prevented me from posting one from the 60s.

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 2 June 2005 22:06 (fifteen years ago) link

(vahid, this is a good idea, since a lot of people here have at least some Fania material. I should have done something like this a while ago. At the same time, I think maybe it would have been better to do 70s salsa in general.)

Orchestra Harlow: Hommy: A Latin Opera (1973)

http://www.laconga.org/images/recomendados/hommy.gif

This has some spoken parts which aren't great fun for me as a non-speaker of Spanish, but there are some very good moments. Celia Cruz's "Gracia Divina" and Cheo Feliciano's track (I forget which one that is) are both particular stand-outs. There's a string section, but it all works out pretty well.

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 2 June 2005 22:11 (fifteen years ago) link

And that's it for my core salsa CDs from Fania! Not too many. The others from this period are mostly from Vaya, Cotique, Inca, or Allegre (all of which, I think, were eventually bought out by Fania). (And no 70-80 Fania favorites in my mp3 files either.)

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 2 June 2005 22:24 (fifteen years ago) link

Not quite destroy, but some Fania albums I really don't like (aside from a track or two in some cases):

Johnny Pacheco: El Maestro (1975)

http://www.danzaymovimiento.com/data/images/jmax/jmax-fn000485.jpg

The album is too Cuban for me, or something. I don't really want to have to look at his ass in tight white pants either.

Ray Barretto: The Message (1972)

http://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/b/barret_ray~_message~~_101b.jpg

I don't understand why this is supposed to be so great, but I don't like Barretto (or Pacheco) all that much.

The Fania All Stars: Live at the Cheetah Vol. 1 (1974)

http://www.danzaymovimiento.com/data/images/jmax/jmax-fn000415.jpg

Good cover. I'm not really into this, despite its alleged historical importance. (I don't doubt it really.) It does have a 7:29 version of "Anacaona" sung by Cheo Feliciano, but I prefer the album version. But Cheo Feliciano is pretty much always good, especially on recordings from this era.

Orchestra Harlow: Salsa (1977)

http://www.mambo-inn.com/images/fot-sarav-21-03.jpg

I like Junior Gonzalez's vocals, and I like other things about this album. "La Cartera" has grown on me somewhat, but I'm not a big fan of charanga (an orchestration usually involving violin and flute). So it probably really is great, but I haven't got into as of yet.

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 2 June 2005 22:35 (fifteen years ago) link

i just pulled out an old copy of Wax Poetics to read about a funky latin psych group called Bwana that i just bought the cd of an there's a whole section on Fania. the five records this guy suggests are:

Ray Barretto - Acid
Monguito Santamaria - Hey Sister
George Guzman - Introducing George Guzman
Joe Bataan - Subway Joe
Orchestra Harlow - Heavy Smookin

these are probably on the funkier/more soulful side of things being that they're in wax poetics

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 3 June 2005 05:15 (fifteen years ago) link

one month passes...
ok, what i've grabbed so far:

ray barretto - acid, hard hands
willie colon - crime pays, la gran fuga, siembra

ok, where next? which allstars albums? i am on the lookout for "latin - soul - rock". should i grab the yankee stadium discs, or "salsa" first?

recommend me some good ruben blades and larry harlow discs.

and then let's start expanding outward. my favorite track so far has been baretto's "ahora si" off of "hard hands". i guess this means my taste runs toward acoustic mid-tempo descarga (charanga?) with really busy percussion sections. celebratory, if possible, heavy jazz influence is cool, too. not so big on the latin rock angle.

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:18 (fifteen years ago) link

now that i've pretty much collected disco, reggae, jazz, soul and funk to death, i think salsa is going to be my new outlet.

(arabic / indian music still too serious and close to home for me to get into)

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:20 (fifteen years ago) link

Acid is 60s (and I mean the album).

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:27 (fifteen years ago) link

Since this thread first aired I picked up two more Willie Colon albums. "Guisando / Doing a Job" (1969) (which I think is just as good as Cosa Nuestra) and "The Big Break / La Gran Fuga" (1976) which I haven't been able to get into as much. So I'm thinking maybe early '70s is the best Willie Colon period?

walter kranz (walterkranz), Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:29 (fifteen years ago) link

why don't you like "la gran fuga"? i like it much better than "crime pays" (which is an anthology of the pre-73 work, if i understand it right)

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:30 (fifteen years ago) link

I like the faster tempo stuff with very tight, in your face horn riffs. Che Che Cole being my favorite salsa song I've heard so far. What else is in this vein?

walter kranz (walterkranz), Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:30 (fifteen years ago) link

oops, that was an xpost to myself but it actually sort of answers your question.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:31 (fifteen years ago) link

The percussion on La Gran Fuga is great but the tempo is slower and the songs don't seem to stick with me as much. I honestly haven't listened to it much yet though so maybe it will grow on me. I wasn't able to get into El Malo as much either but I can't pinpoint exactly why. My knowledge of salsa is pretty much nil and I'm just starting to get into it.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:34 (fifteen years ago) link

multi-xpost

I don't actually know much about Blades away from Willie Colon.

You'd probably like Barretto's Rican/Struction.

(I still have to say: I think you are going about things the wrong way by eliminating non-Fania label stuff from the 70s. A lot of the best recordings were not on Fania per se.)

Larry Harlow's Live in Qaud is good. I still haven't heard a whole bunch of Harlow I'm interested in hearing. If you're sure you like charanga, check out Harlow's Salsa! though it's not my cup of tea.

I like most of the Fania All Stars' Commitment from 1980.

How about Sabor con Angel Canales? Lots of mid-tempo, stretched out stuff.

Bobby Valentin's Afuera and La Boda de Ella are both good, with some amazing material included.

I'm pretty big on Palmieri at the moment. No interest in hearing more of him?

(No wait Acid is 1972.)

If I get back into a CDR making mood, I might be willing to send some things, but I'm a little burned out on it right now. (Why did you never request any salsa mixes on the thread for that?)

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:41 (fifteen years ago) link

Also, Sonora Ponceña's Explorando from 1978 is fantastic, fantastic. I don't know if it's what people are looking for, but it's my favorite album by them so far.

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:44 (fifteen years ago) link

You ****ers are making me want to buy a whole bunch of CDs I've been unable to hear as yet through other means.

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:45 (fifteen years ago) link

haha i am in a mind to request some but i am personally really shitty at getting CDRs out so i'm very shy about asking for them.

and also - by all means, let's expand out past fania!!

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:46 (fifteen years ago) link

Okay, but then we should have had a different thread title. Anyway, I've already started doing that here on this one.

Since we're going beyond Fania, let me recommend Cheo Feliciano's Cheo (if you don't mind some boleros). He sang with the Fania All Stars as well, of course. Also, some earlier material: Cheo Feliciano: The Best With Joe Cuba Sextet is mostly fantastic.

Hmmmm, listening to "Hard Hands" now. This has a real Latin soul/boogaloo sort of thing going on.

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:54 (fifteen years ago) link

ok, where next? which allstars albums? i am on the lookout for "latin - soul - rock". should i grab the yankee stadium discs, or "salsa" first?

The only one I've heard is "Salsa" but it's really hard for me to listen to because while the music is great it gets interrupted by lots of introductions, audio interview and weird field recording bits. The sound quality is terrible too.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:55 (fifteen years ago) link

Vahid, send your address to me and I can at least send out the classic salsa mix I made before, if you are interested.

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:56 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm pretty big on Palmieri at the moment. No interest in hearing more of him?

Eddie Palmieri? I have Harlem River Drive which is great in a funky soul jazz way. Did he do anything more salsa oriented?

walter kranz (walterkranz), Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:58 (fifteen years ago) link

:(

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:59 (fifteen years ago) link

About thirty or so albums.

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:59 (fifteen years ago) link

As I said, I know nothing of this field beyond certain things I half-remember from reading that Wax Poetics article.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:01 (fifteen years ago) link

Look here:

Eddie Palmieri

At the moment I am especially pushing Azucar Pa' Ti, Unfinished Masterpiece, Eddie Palmieri & Cal Tjader - Bamboleate, Lucumi, Macumba, Voodoo (although it includes some weird experiments with fusion, disco, etc.), and Palo Pa' Rumba (from 1984). All the material with his band La Perfecta (the original, not the recent reincarnation) is worth checking out, although the sound is uniformly very bad.

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:03 (fifteen years ago) link

Sorry, I guess I just wish his reputation were bigger (outside of salsa-oriented circles).

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:05 (fifteen years ago) link

I feel like I'm not going to be of much use to vahid, because I am having trouble thinking in terms of what he is asking for, partly because I don't categorize things in exactly, and partly because it's hard not to jump up and down and talk about everything I think is worthwhile.

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:07 (fifteen years ago) link

Ooh, I just downloaded the awesome YSI track from the Palmieri thread. Just the kind of stuff I've been looking for, thanks!

walter kranz (walterkranz), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:19 (fifteen years ago) link

rockist - want music that sounds EXACTLY like "ahora si" from "hard hands"! what do you call that? descarga? charanga? boogaloo?

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:24 (fifteen years ago) link

The liner notes say it's "a son montuno figure taken at an easy pace with Louis Cruz playing around with some catchy right-hand figures." For whatever that's worth.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:32 (fifteen years ago) link

walter, he has a lot of things along that line. (Although I think that one is pretty exceptional.)

I just downloaded "Hard Hands" so I could help out and I'm still not sure about Barretto's "Ahora Si!"

"Descarga" is more like, very open-ended, improvisation-oriented, sort of like jazz, but too far over on the Latin dance side of things to really be Latin jazz (though it's not an obvious distinction). I don't think "Hard Hands" is Latin jazz. It sort of straddles the line between salsa and Latin soul, I think.

x-post

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:32 (fifteen years ago) link

Actually, here's an explanation of what son montuno means:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_montuno
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_%28music%29

walter kranz (walterkranz), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:36 (fifteen years ago) link

I half-know this terminology.

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:44 (fifteen years ago) link

This is what descarga.com says about the Hard Hands album: "One of the great things about the Descarga Catalog is the memories it brings back. New York City, the 1970s, drums could be heard on the corners of 'El Barrio'and in the valleys of the projects. Ray Barretto inspired me and many of my colleagues with a band that literally took no prisoners. This album might seem like an odd choice to you true Barretto believers, but it features tremendous examples of the aggressive Cuban music with a New York City attitude and incredible solos by timbalero Orestes Vilato and Ray. The fusion of R&B with son montuno, which was known as boogaloo, is also well represented. Thanks for the memories Ray!!! " (Bobby Sanabria 98/99 Catalog)

vahid, you may simply want to stay in the 60s and early 70s if you want similar things. Hmmm, might like Azuquita's Pura Salsa which is from a bit later but retains some Latin soul/boogaloo feel.

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:49 (fifteen years ago) link

You might want to mostly go back in time for there and dig through the classic bolero singers. Most of La Lupe's ballads are specifically boleros, I think. To stick to the Fania era, how much Hector Lavoe have you heard? He definitely covers a broad emotional range and recorded a bunch of boleros. How about Cheo Feliciano's less upbeat material?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SNnVKehNyI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og2wKYwnosI

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 2 July 2011 15:16 (nine years ago) link

This thread is so weak. I feel like I missed an opportunity with this thread. 70s salsa deserves better, but then again, it's all there, an open secret waiting to be discovered. There's still so much of it I haven't heard, even from central artists.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 2 July 2011 15:22 (nine years ago) link

To me, the pacing of this Justo Betancourt bolero has a theatrical quality closer to La Lupe's style. Maybe you would like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJT4LDBAcDo

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 2 July 2011 15:27 (nine years ago) link

As long as we are doing famous singers doing boleros, I love this very odd Angel Canales version of the classic "Dos Gardenias" (but I wouldn't say he spends much time doing the type of thing you're looking for):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13b052hBTtI

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 2 July 2011 15:30 (nine years ago) link

I don't have a very in-depth knowledge of the bolero tradition, but this 4-CD box set (which I own) is pretty nice. Though I could do without the one disc devoted to Mexican-style bolero trios.

http://www.amazon.com/Boleromania-80-Boleros-En-CDS/dp/B0007V9X78

This material is either all or mostly from before the 70s.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 2 July 2011 15:35 (nine years ago) link

Helpfully "currently unavailable." I'm sure it wouldn't be that hard to find one way or another.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 2 July 2011 15:35 (nine years ago) link

I find Lavoe boleros a little too wrist-slitty at the moment. I just don't need to go there right now.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 2 July 2011 15:39 (nine years ago) link

boleros is exactly what i want - thanks.

i think i might just buy more la lupe actually.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 11 July 2011 14:04 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

does anyone know anything about ray rodriguez? been listening a lot to his Ray Rodriguez Y Su Orquesta Lp and in all my basically ignorant enthusiam, loving it!

Dominique, Thursday, 11 August 2011 02:34 (nine years ago) link

Sorry to say I'm really not familiar with Ray Rodriguez, but I once heard something by him on the radio that I liked enough to add the album it came from to my long-term to-buy list.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 12 August 2011 02:59 (nine years ago) link

I never mentioned to titchy that there's a Celia Cruz collection of nothing by boleros, and I've liked what I've heard from it. I probably should own it, but don't:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41BYY05M4EL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 12 August 2011 03:12 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

Today I was walking around and I heard this awesome salsa music coming out of a parked car but with this very 70s sounding synth in the intro. I liked it so much that I asked the dude what it was, and it was Roberto Roena. He showed me the CD, but it was just a bootleggy-looking thing like one of those CDs you get at the little Spanish record stores, so it could have been from any record.

So, anyone know of a Roberto Roena record with synths on it?

Disraeli Geirs (Hurting 2), Sunday, 9 October 2011 17:54 (nine years ago) link

I have no idea. I'm glad this has been expanded beyond Fania, though -- I love the Fania sound but there is a lot more out there. Lots of stuff I haven't heard too!!

Art Arfons (La Lechera), Sunday, 9 October 2011 18:18 (nine years ago) link

I'll see what I can come up with, once I'm off work. I think I've probably only heard 1/3 of Roena's output at this point, maybe less. He definitely did some "progressive" sorts of things, sometimes successfully, sometimes less so. I don't think this is the one you're looking for, but La 8Va Maravilla is great and doesn't seem to be talked about that much. Of course, it's also out of print, but it's not impossible to find otherwise.

Cal Jeddah (_Rudipherous_), Sunday, 9 October 2011 18:23 (nine years ago) link

I would guess late 70s/very early 80s, but I suppose that's not too helpful. Anything else about the song? Was it in the usual clave rhythm, or was it different? (Roena worked/works with Afro-Rican folkloric rhythms, Brazilian rhtyhms, etc. a fair amount.)

Cal Jeddah (_Rudipherous_), Sunday, 9 October 2011 18:32 (nine years ago) link

I have Roena's first 10 albums in my iPod, but don't have time to go through them right now. Will check tomorrow.

that's not funny. (unperson), Sunday, 9 October 2011 18:41 (nine years ago) link

Did you buy most of those as downloads? I probably need to do more of that.

Cal Jeddah (_Rudipherous_), Sunday, 9 October 2011 18:56 (nine years ago) link

from Roena's wiki site:

Complementing the musicality of the salsa group was always the showmanship inherent in Roberto Roena. Dying his hair in new colors, playing percussion in his underwear and sporting a harness so he could “fly” around the stage of New York City's Madison Square Garden were some of the tricks that he used to stand out among the other groups in vogue. In fact, a noted journalist that followed Apollo Sound once remarked that they were “the first group in Puerto Rico with a system of psychedelic lights and go-go girls.”

curmudgeon, Sunday, 9 October 2011 19:08 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, I only have about four on physical CD; the rest I got digitally. They're all killer. The first couple are pretty weird - he's got songs in English, including covers of Sly and the Family Stone's "Sing a Simple Song" and Blood, Sweat & Tears' "Spinning Wheel."

that's not funny. (unperson), Sunday, 9 October 2011 19:10 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

I did do a half-hearted search of the Roena I have (especially one CD I suspected in particular) but never found a song that fit that description.

Not a big Ray Barretto fan, I particularly like this song (though I haven't heard the whole album):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_-fvX6E8mI

On the Heat Release of Burning Karaoke Music Compartments (_Rudipherous_), Sunday, 13 November 2011 00:48 (nine years ago) link

I need to check into him further.

So I see that Will Hermes has a new book out about music in NYC from 73 to 77 called "Love Goes to Buildings on Fire" that apparently includes some writing about Fania

From New Year’s Day 1973 to New Year’s Eve 1977, the book moves panoramically from post-Dylan Greenwich Village, to the arson-scarred South Bronx barrios where salsa and hip-hop were created, to the Lower Manhattan lofts where jazz and classical music were reimagined, to ramshackle clubs like CBGBs and The Gallery, where rock and dance music were hot-wired for a new generation. As they remade the music, the musicians at the center of the book invented themselves: Willie Colón and the Fania All-Stars renting Yankee Stadium to take salsa to the masses, New Jersey locals Bruce Springsteen and Patti Smith claiming the jungleland of Manhattan as their own, Grandmaster Flash transforming the turntable into a musical instrument, David Byrne and Talking Heads proving that rock music “ain’t no foolin’ around.” Will Hermes was there—venturing from his native Queens to the small dark rooms where the revolution was taking place—and in Love Goes to Buildings on Fire he captures the creativity, drive, and full-out lust for life of the great New York musicians of those years, who knew that the music they were making would change the world.

http://www.amazon.com/Love-Goes-Buildings-Fire-Changed/dp/0865479801

curmudgeon, Sunday, 13 November 2011 02:03 (nine years ago) link

The new 2CD Ismael Rivera compilation (part of Fania's "A Man And His Music" series) is fucking great. Goes all the way from the '50s to 1980. 45 songs.

that's not funny. (unperson), Monday, 14 November 2011 19:04 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75Mn4iI-4qw

is my jam lately

space phwoar (Hurting 2), Sunday, 20 January 2013 22:56 (eight years ago) link

three months pass...

entire fania all stars in africa concert:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS6QB8r0vcM

I love everything about this -- johnny pacheco's crazy kids show host act, the way it's shot, the seemingly overwhelming numerosity of the band (partly an illusion), the coked-up happy vibe of it, bobby valentin's sick behind the beat basslines against on top of the beat percussion, roberto roena crazy legs dancing followed by a badass 70s five

huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Sunday, 21 April 2013 02:30 (seven years ago) link

sry, this is the complete concert:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2-ZmO13_dI

huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Sunday, 21 April 2013 02:32 (seven years ago) link

thx for posting, need to watch this

curmudgeon, Monday, 22 April 2013 06:14 (seven years ago) link

there's a record of the concert too, on spotify. doesn't seem to have the whole thing, but has some neat additional bits, e.g. what sounds like a soukous band welcoming them at the airport and maybe jamming with some of the fania guys?

huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Monday, 22 April 2013 15:47 (seven years ago) link

cross currents between african and latin american pop music post-WWII are really fascinating

huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Monday, 22 April 2013 15:48 (seven years ago) link

like those vids. feel like they could use a few more guys up on stage, though.

Spectrum, Monday, 22 April 2013 15:51 (seven years ago) link

yeah, kind of a threadbare lineup, very minimal

huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Monday, 22 April 2013 15:51 (seven years ago) link

The CD (which was recently reissued as a CD/DVD set - I own it) is very weird; there's almost no music from the concert, it's all rehearsal stuff and the aforementioned recording of African musicians, etc. - it's like a Smithsonian Folkways album or something. But the DVD, which has the concert footage as well as rehearsal, backstage, footage of bandmembers just wandering around Kinshasa, etc., is killer.

誤訳侮辱, Monday, 22 April 2013 16:11 (seven years ago) link

want

huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Monday, 22 April 2013 16:22 (seven years ago) link

seven years pass...

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/15/arts/music/johnny-pacheco-dead.html

RIP Johnny Pacheco, co-founder of Fania, a Dominican born , NYC raised flautist, songwriter, bandleader who brought salsa & charanga to the world. Was involved with a number of Celia Cruz albums

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 16 February 2021 13:35 (two weeks ago) link

RIP.

I didn’t see any personal reminiscences on Friendbook. At first I thought maybe people had some beef with him but he guess he just didn’t really play with any of the Latin Jazz cats that are around now.

The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 20:08 (two weeks ago) link

On twitter Willie Colon took a brief break from tweeting right-wing memes, to tweet 6 times re Pacheco.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 16 February 2021 21:47 (two weeks ago) link

I need to go back to the Pacheco & Cruz albums

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 17 February 2021 03:25 (two weeks ago) link

Okay, it was pointed out to me that there was a personal recollection from the violinist Sam Bardfeld, who is a friend of friends and plays with a lot of name acts.

The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 17 February 2021 14:48 (two weeks ago) link

Ugh, don't like the way that sounds.

The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 17 February 2021 14:49 (two weeks ago) link

Been slowly digging into this scene over the last year. Don't know much Pacheco, but i stumbled on some Willie Rosario that I really liked. Justo Betancourt's Leguleya No album is my favorite so far.

Heez, Wednesday, 17 February 2021 15:41 (two weeks ago) link

Willie Colon's Twitter feed is... disappointing.

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Wednesday, 17 February 2021 17:12 (two weeks ago) link

there was a period of time when the Zavvi i had access to during my lunch hour was getting in Fania cd reissues overstocks and selling them off for £1 each.
despite not being into salsa at all, i grabbed what i could when i could (about 12 albums in the end).
when the sun comes out i still put them on and enjoy them more and more each time.

mark e, Wednesday, 17 February 2021 17:50 (two weeks ago) link

A 2020 article on Alegre Records who recorded Pacheco before he later co-founded Fania

https://www.udiscovermusic.com/stories/alegre-records-history/

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 17 February 2021 21:08 (two weeks ago) link

Here he is with fellow legend, Queen Mother Celia Cruz and his collective Fania All Stars in Zaire in 1974. Johnny Pacheco conducting the musicians and dancing w Celia like a boss. It’s the joy.
RIP Johnny Pacheco. pic.twitter.com/NUKYlxiKgN

— Karla ~ Ovalle (@KarlaValley) February 15, 2021

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 17 February 2021 21:09 (two weeks ago) link

that rules!!

brimstead, Wednesday, 17 February 2021 21:19 (two weeks ago) link

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/17/arts/music/johnny-pacheco-fania-records-playlist.html

Brief bio plus 15 cuts Pacheco was involved with

curmudgeon, Friday, 19 February 2021 01:31 (one week ago) link

https://elpais.com/babelia/2021-02-25/johnny-pacheco-del-nuevo-tumbao-al-tumbao-anejo.html?ssm=TW_CC?event_log=oklogin&prod=REGCRARTBAB&o=cerrbab

The Cuban writer Leonardo Padura published last year Los rostros de la salsa (Tusquets), a book in which the author offers an intimate portrait of the genre through conversations with its main icons, such as Rubén Blades, Willie Colón, Juan Formell and Johnny Pacheco. We reproduce in full the one that he maintained in 1995 with the latter, who died on February 16 , in which he reviews his career from his frenetic adventures in New York in the seventies to the creation of the Fania record company and its consolidation as a name indispensable of Latin music.

An interesting interview translated to English

in addition to the charanga I had an ensemble that played in the style of the Sonora Matancera, Arsenio and Chapotín, and in '64 I was left alone with this group. So I started with thatCuban tumbao , but I added a tres and instead of the timbales I included a bongo and that's where "the new Pacheco tumbao " began, which would later be known as the " tumbao ", and now as the " old tumbao ", because I've been 30 years with the same formula. Since I learned it with Cugat, I always say that if a formula works, there is no reason to change it, and with that tumbao I have had the good fortune to record many of the greats of Latin music: Daniel Santos, Julio González, Pete Conde Rodríguez, Héctor Casanova, and my divine goddess, Celia Cruz.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 3 March 2021 01:01 (yesterday) link

I have the English translation of that book, Faces Of Salsa, and it is a very good read.

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Wednesday, 3 March 2021 08:21 (yesterday) link


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