richard hell - pioneer or silly old fool

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in view of the new live album and reissue of the roir RIP release, what is your opinion on mr hell? I discovered him through Television when i was about 16 after getting hold of a copy of 'Blank Generation' at a record fair. He seemed to have a sort of seedy glamour to me as a teenage girl but his later literary efforts left me cold - came across as a rather lame henry miller homage - what do you think?

leigh, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

these are not really opposites, necessarily

mark s, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Hey, I know you. Hi Leigh.

Melissa W, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Most pioneers are silly old fools or once silly/now dead fools.

Andy K, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Skirting very close to starting the 'who invented Punk' debate once again, I have to say that Hell remains a great deal cooler than his old sparring partner, Tom Verlaine, who has become a rather crotchedy old man. Though points off from Hell for his book, "Hot & Cold," which features several needless pencil renderings of his penis.

For those who think McLaren, Rotten et al. invented Punk Rock, it should be duly noted that "Blank Generation" predates "Pretty Vacant" rather significantly.

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

It did, yes. Too bad the song sucked.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

But what about "The Plan"?

Anyway, Richard Hell was New Wave, not Punk. Mad props for Go Now which I read at least twice a year to remind me why I don't want to be a musician.

Sterling Clover, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

You're gonna get your ass kicked, Ned; and I hear Pet Shop Boys fans are easy to beat up.

Sean, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

It's *all right*, I guess. I sorta prefer "Love Comes in Spurts." I don't know, most of that album sounded like a junkie trying to get up the energy to rock and not quite getting there.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"Too bad the song sucked"
The majority of it's pleasant enough and was absurdly definitive for a while but that first instrumental section is just wonderfull.

philT, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I've never read any of his books, but Richard Hell is one of the very few of the late 70s New York punk scene musicians that I've ever liked. The two early albums rock me, depress me, and invigorate me. Many good songs and fine performances. "Betrayal Takes Two", in particular.

I like The Dim Stars album, too. I just wish the vocals had been mixed higher.

Oliver Kneale, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

He invented one of the best looks in the history of rock 'n' roll. He was a great gateway artist--loads of interesting names dropped in his early interviews-Godard, Lautremont, etc. I love that sort of pretension, wish there was more of it around these days.

There's a terrible "Deconstructing Punk" documentary that's the added attraction on the Filth and the Fury DVD, and he comes off as very intelligent, realistic, good-natured,. Not fogeyish at all. Unlike nearly everyone else in the film. But--The junkie beatnik routine was always a bit tiresome. And I find his vocals irritating now. I didn't back then. The band's great, though. Quine's a god.

Arthur, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Richard Hell was *NEVER* New Wave!

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Duh. Look at the colors on the Voidoids album. New Wave colors.

Sterling Clover, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Americans invented punk.

Andy, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Americans invented rock.

A Nairn, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

No disputing that!

Sean, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Americans invent. Whee!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Americans invented punk.

Too bad they suck at it. *ducks*

Clarke B., Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

richard hell = hair metal

mark s, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Americans invented the bomb.

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Americans invented punk, eh?

You guys can have this dubious honour as punk is really credited with saving our beloved music industry. Thanks a lot.

Julio Desouza, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

the voidoid is not a book i care for

, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Um, I like Richard Hell. There, got that out of the way. Now, can anyone help me? Myself and my best friend created, in a moment of inspired boredom, 'TV Hell'. Basically, a list of tenuous puns based around Richard Hell and made into a television schedule. I want to put it up on a website, but can't do web design or anything, in fact it's been so long since I did anything geeky I'm surprised I can remember how to do this.

emil.y, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

He was a pioneer and now he's a bit of a silly old fool. But who gets to stay young and cool and skankily gorgeous and edgy all their life? If he had o.d.ed about '84 or so, EVERYBODY would be kissing his opiate-constipated ass. But he survived to middle age. We must all somehow get on with our lives.

I thought it had been conclusively established that, despite punk's arguable provenance, Hell at least invented the ripped-t look as a self-conscious "look."

By the way, don't sleep on Destiny Street from 1982. Lotsa covers, but they're pretty good covers (see "I Can Only Give You Everything"), and the album also contains Hell's best song/creative swan-song, "Time," and lots more tasty Bob Quine guitar strangling.

lee g, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"Duh. Look at the colors on the Voidoids album. New Wave colors."

Oh, is *THAT* what makes someone "new wave"? The colors? Silly me, I thought it had something to do with the music and the people involved.

Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

oh yeah -- so pop quiz Alex... Where'd the term "New Wave" come from as applied to music?

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm pretty certain the colors had something to do with it.

Sean, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

It was originally coined by Seymour Stein of Sire Records in an attempt to downplay the stigma of the term "Punk," but later came singularly define a more user-friendly, blandified mutation of the then-amorphous genre that more closely resmebled conventional "Pop."

Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Wham! Shutdown! True (i.e. popist) answer = from BOMP magazine and records in mid 70s (before CBGBs scene much less London) as promotion for loud fast rockabilly revivalists. Bomp mag & records both had colors much like the voidoids album, and in fact look at the riffs on a good half of the voidoids album, in partic "blank generation" and tell me they ain't rockabilly.

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Also, p-furs = bland by your def. And the buggles. And Wang Chung.

which is fucked up.

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I don't subscribe to your rockabilly theory, so your point is moot. Listen, Sterling, I'm not out to start a war with you about this, but if New Wave is defined only by the colors of an album cover, than I suppose Daryl Hall & John Oates would be "New Wave" (by your definition) as well. Discuss.

Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Hall & Oates colors != new wave, but rather = pop for sex.

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Sterling frothed: "p-furs = bland by your def. And the buggles. And Wang Chung."

Next to Punk Rock, they WERE comparatively bland. That doesn't mean they sucked (at least not the Furs), it just means that they weren't quite as exciting as the Punks.

Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Anyway, "blank generation" swaggers in a classic rockabilly fashion.

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

but if New Wave is defined only by the colors of an album cover

I originally said this joking, but kind of thinking there was something in it, but now I'm really believing it.

Sean, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

buggles were not bland, at least for the 3 and 1/2 minutes anyone knows of them. The other two were bland.

"stray cat strut" sounds a lot like "blank generation". maybe that fits in with your your colors/rockabilly/bomp/new wave free association experiment.

fritz, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

And indeed, the stray cats were incontestably New Wave!

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"new wave" first used by m.mclaren in hommage heh to godard et al: nothing evah evah invented at BOMP obv

voidoids = sonically v.bland (on record) compared to "survivor", but so does all new york "punk" except dolls who are glam

no new york = difft matter, tho DC are rhythmically superior to all but bob burt era s.youth when i saw em at ica in 1982 (= best live show i evah saw)

mark s, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Most irrelevant post EVAH!

Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

relevance = reverence = NOT PUNK!!

the thing that makes me laff most abt "PLEASE KILL ME" is that Hell made (te prettier) RICHARD LLOYD wear the T-shirt!! Now that IS punk: more if someone actually had...

Or do I mean less?

mark s, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"The Kid with the Replaceable Head"--now there's a New Wave title if I've ever heard one. I met the real kid with the replaceable head when I ran away to New York as a teen. He was one of the most annoying hipsters I've ever encountered.

Re: New Wave. Please, nobody quote Claude Bessy. Thanks.

Arthur, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Re: New Wave. Please, nobody quote Claude Bessy. Thanks.

Damn, no coke for me.

nickn, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

richard hell's the "blank generation" sounds like a rip-off of Rod McKuen's "the beat generation" which was recorded sometime in the 50's some of it goes like this: "I run around in sandels I never, ever shave and that's the way I wanna be until they dig my grave. I'm a member of the beat generaion...."

i kid you not bet Hell heard this and ripped if off

no that there's anything wrong with that...

Richee, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

richard hell's the "blank generation" sounds like a rip-off of Rod McKuen's "the beat generation" which was recorded sometime in the 50's some of it goes like this: "I run around in sandels I never, ever shave and that's the way I wanna be until they dig my grave. I'm a member of the beat generaion...."

i kid you not bet Hell heard this and ripped if off

There's an MP3 of "Beat Generation" here.

Vic Funk, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yes, that's very blatant and would have been more obvious to people whose parents might have had that record.

Kerry, Saturday, 2 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

three years pass...
Only two threads on Richard Hell? Not exactly an ILM favorite. I bought the new Spurts comp because Marcello wrote about it on another thread and I just accidentally deleted a longish post I was writing on it, so I'll just ask who else has got it and what do they think.

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Sounding off on 3+ year old threads? Sounds like a great idea!

By the time Richard Hell got around to playing with the Voidoids, he'd already been in two of NYC's seminal punk bands; Television and Johnny Thunders & The Heartbreakers. The fact that he got kicked out of both bands before they put out records doesn't change the fact that the guy was punk to the bone, ur-punk, proto-punk, like Iggy or Joey Ramone. If ya can't dig that you need a bigger shovel, kid.

Track down Television or The Heartbreakers doing live versions of "Blank Generation" or "Love Comes In Spurts" - if the Voidoids' versions sound "new wave" to you, it was just Hell trying to keep up with the times. Matter of fact, The Heartbreakers' "One Track Mind" is "Love Comes In Spurts" with different lyrics. But you've probably never heard the original mix of L.A.M.F. (not Revisited, and not the Lost Mixes - the original mix on vinyl), one of the most perfect pieces of punk pooped out of NYC's steaming backalley... Plus Robert Quine is among the greatest guitarists, ever, so tread gently with the Voidoids slagging....

Good sources on Hell are Lester Bangs' Psychotic Reactions and Carburetor Dung (couple of good essays, pro and con, on Hell there) and Clinton Heylin's From The Velvets To The Voidoids.

Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 00:09 (eighteen years ago) link

One of the few bootlegs I own is by the Hell-era Heartbreakers Live at Mother's and it pretty much lives up to legends. Crude snarling versions of "Spurts" "Blank" "Chinese Rocks" and otherwise unrecorded "Hurt Me" and Thunders showcase "So Alone."

I bought Blank Generation when it came out and was somewhat nonplussed, those guitar lines sounded more like Beefheart than the Ramones, but eventually I learned to love it.

We discussed Hell's writing on a Lester Bangs thread last year, he wrote THE BEST tribute I guess on the 20th anniversary. Skimming the gruesome Go Now made me glad I never did heroin.

What's on that anthology?

m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 09:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I absolutely adore him. I recently managed to download that Neon Boys EP. It's GREAT. I think there's one or two NB tracks on that anthology, as well as his solo record and some Dim Stars tracks. Not too fond of the latter though.

nathalie, a bum like you (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 09:15 (eighteen years ago) link

(seriously, pun not intended - it didn't occur to me until after I posted)

birdistheword, Friday, 7 July 2023 03:25 (one year ago) link

was a nice reading. he closed with a poem in progress on Verlaine, then read the note from the author of the CBGB's graffiti book about Verlaine saying he had to get Hell to write the introduction. broke up recounting a dream he had recently about TV, so they skipped the q&a. the gallery owner said they will post video at some point.

bulb after bulb, Friday, 7 July 2023 12:03 (one year ago) link

would love it if they post the video - i was wondering if TV or Verlaine would come up

birdistheword, Friday, 7 July 2023 15:59 (one year ago) link

(to clarify - the dream was about Verlaine too, not Television. very affecting to see his emotion)

bulb after bulb, Friday, 7 July 2023 17:43 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

Hell gave another reading tonight at the Powerhouse Arena, which had been postponed a few weeks due to COVID. A good crowd, every seat was pretty much taken, but it felt like a pretty low-key event - except for a poster in the store and a notice on Hell's website, I don't recall seeing any mention or advertising elsewhere.

And man was it great - at the start, Hell acknowledged what was happening in Gaza. He didn't mention any one or group by name - he just wanted to say it was very much on his mind that there was a lot of awfulness going on the world, but he decided to "stick with my original setlist." So he read some poems - at one point, he discussed how he recently found out about time’s relationship to gravity, and how for example time is actually different from the ground compared to the highest peak of a mountain, or how it passes differently within the absence of matter in the vast emptiness of space - he mentions that time was already a subject that held endless fascination to him (see his greatest song, IMHO, "Time") so naturally this concept is something that he has been thinking over extensively. (A quick google search comes up with quite a few articles on this subject, FWIW.)

And he did indeed finish his reading with the poem on Verlaine. He apologizes ahead of time that he couldn't get through it the one other time he's read it, but he says he can probably do it now. He asks if we know Johnnie Ray, and after discussing him a bit (how he's seen as a transitional point from pop to rock music, how he tried to emulate black, female R&B singers, and how his crying was indeed sincere, he wasn't faking it), he mentions that he feels like Johnnie Ray where people are showing up just to see him cry. He talks a bit about Verlaine, assuming most of us knew their history, and mentions they grew up together and were close, but then he says he discovered he really didn't like him, totally not like a joke, but we all laughed. He added the feeling was mutual, and he added he never reconciled with Verlaine. (By this point he told a few hilarious remarks throughout the reading that I wish I could remember.) He goes ahead and immediately you can tell he's trembling and his eyes are tearing up. It really was powerful to witness - I had my phone but I didn't record it, even though it was a public event, I would've felt awful doing it. In hindsight, I should've recorded the audio, but it'll be a moot point if his publishes this soon. I think he mentioned something about an artist's need for an audience to exist, and remarked about his own existence or how he viewed it once Verlaine was no longer with us. He then talks about the dream - him, Verlaine and "Patti" (Smith I presume, though Hell was married to Patty Smyth) in a shop in SoHo. I want to say a bake shop or something like that, but I feel like I'm misremembering and filling the gaps with my own familiar activities around SoHo. Anyway, for some reason, he isn't wearing a shirt in this dream, but Patti/Patty touches his back and it deeply moves him. Then he mentions there's a lot of prose, unfinished verses presumably, and he then talks about the tweets by that author of the CBGB's book and how Verlaine recommended Hell, something that deeply moved him. It's possible he said or repeated this part before reading the poem, but I can't remember.

The reason why my memory on a lot of this has already faded is because of the following Q&A. The first few questions were quick - most notably, he was asked to reflect on Terry Ork and Quine who are also gone. (Quine was devastated by his wife's passing. He'd have dinner with him and he'd tell Hell "I've got it down to three hours of crying a day." He also never did drugs, but he got into it, possibly because of his wife's passing, and he killed himself that way. He hadn't had contact with Ork for a long time until close to his passing. In fact, he even got an email from Ork the day he died.) The question that kind of overwhelmed my memory was someone asking what Hell was listening to these days, and to my great surprise...he's a really, REALLY big fan of the Stones' Hackney Diamonds and talked more about that than anything else! It actually smeared what had been a crisp, sharp memory of everything before because I was just trying to process his response.

Basically, he's a huge Stones fan. They hadn't done anything of note in decades, but this one "blew me away." He did say he's grown to appreciate a bit the later albums he's dismissed before like Bridges to Babylon and Steel Wheels, but not like the new one. Loves all the songs on Hackney Diamonds, especially Keith, who he says has arthritis now so he can barely play but he found a way around that. (As discussed in another thread, ProTools likely.) He's always connected with Keith, but "Mick's growing on me," he really loves Mick on the new one. He also mentions the solos - he doesn't think the Stones were really about the solos before and argues their presence on the new one is a new and welcome development. He compares it to Dylan, whom he holds in the highest regard as a songwriter, but he says Dylan is after another direction, making his old songs sound new. In terms of the rock n' roll element, his records don't touch the Stones. (Again, it sounds like he's only comparing the latter day records.) He says he's very much child of the '60s in that he still believes Dylan and the Stones are in a league of their own. Later when asked what he's doing next, he says - not really jokingly - he may write about the new Stones album, so if any of you editors out there want a Richard Hell review of the new Stones album, it sounds like he's totally down for it.

birdistheword, Friday, 27 October 2023 03:49 (eight months ago) link

man that sounds like such a great experience

thanks for such a detailed recap!

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 27 October 2023 03:57 (eight months ago) link

You're welcome! I figured I should share as much as possible - it was just great and I didn't want it to disappear in memory.

birdistheword, Friday, 27 October 2023 03:59 (eight months ago) link

Yeah, thanks. Very good detail

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 27 October 2023 04:39 (eight months ago) link

Also I relate to memory smearing factors

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 27 October 2023 04:39 (eight months ago) link

It’s like there is a buffer size that can easily be overrun

My Prelapsarian Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 27 October 2023 04:40 (eight months ago) link

That's great - thanks so much. Hackney Diamonds!

Alba, Friday, 27 October 2023 09:47 (eight months ago) link

Thanks for all that, bird - lovely to read.

Yngwie Azalea (stevie), Friday, 27 October 2023 11:16 (eight months ago) link

he then talks about the tweets by that author of the CBGB's book and how Verlaine recommended Hell, something that deeply moved him. It's possible he said or repeated this part before reading the poem, but I can't remember

There was a book about CBGB's graffiti photos and the publisher reached out to Verlaine to write an introduction, Verlaine demurred but in his email response said "look I can't stand the guy but you should get Hell to write the intro, he would be the best person for it" when he passed the story made the rounds on twitter and Hell has mentioned how charmed he was by the story becuz it neatly summed up how he felt about Verlaine.

Hell's essays (esp on music) are great, I would be eager to read his review of the new Stones record, haha I tried to listen to it last night and couldn't get into it, but if Hell likes I might need to re-assess

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 27 October 2023 13:06 (eight months ago) link

ha, this!

BEWARE! SPOOKY! BOO! (Hunt3r), Friday, 27 October 2023 21:19 (eight months ago) link

yeah would love a R. Hell review of the new rolling stones, haha. He might convince me to listen to it!

Loved his latest book of poetry / musings.

tylerw, Friday, 27 October 2023 21:29 (eight months ago) link

one month passes...

https://naimapublication.com/issues/issue-1/richard-hell-tomverlaine

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 13 December 2023 19:32 (six months ago) link

that feels honest enuf. not sure how else to aasess. i mean, i enjoyed readin it.

digital chirping and whirring (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 13 December 2023 21:34 (six months ago) link

short and sweet — obviously he went into great detail about the relationship in Clean Tramp. amazing they never buried the hatchet and just went and had coffee sometime. they pretty much lived around the corner from each other for the past 50 years.

tylerw, Wednesday, 13 December 2023 21:48 (six months ago) link

It is very much in the spirt & style of the recent book of poems in this sort of amazingly understated poetic voice he's cultivated

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 13 December 2023 22:23 (six months ago) link

That’s great, thanks.

Blecch’s POLLero (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 December 2023 23:38 (six months ago) link

I was thinking about some variant of this kind of thing in my own situation recently, earlier today actually, won’t hijack the thread with the details, but really like his approach to talking about it.

Blecch’s POLLero (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 December 2023 23:45 (six months ago) link

in the spirit of the new beatles song, why don't they take the unfinished recordings for the 4th tv album, have hell write the lyrics and take the vocals (maybe using bootlegs as a baseline for melodies/lyrics), and have lloyd and ripp do the leads and backing vocals? you heard it here first. i claim a share of the profits. (joke, joke. what profits?)

Thus Sang Freud, Thursday, 14 December 2023 10:41 (six months ago) link

lovely piece by Hell, you just want to put an arm round him and give him a hug, don't you?

impostor syndrome to the (expletive) max (stevie), Thursday, 14 December 2023 11:02 (six months ago) link

am sure for years he just imagined there was no way tom would go first

impostor syndrome to the (expletive) max (stevie), Thursday, 14 December 2023 11:03 (six months ago) link

It looks like a finished version of what he had at the reading I posted about, and yes, you kind of wish a friend would give him a big hug. The main body of the text was done when I saw him, and it had an immediate effect on him as soon as he started reading.

birdistheword, Thursday, 14 December 2023 15:59 (six months ago) link

in the spirit of the new beatles song, why don't they take the unfinished recordings for the 4th tv album, have hell write the lyrics and take the vocals (maybe using bootlegs as a baseline for melodies/lyrics), and have lloyd and ripp do the leads and backing vocals? you heard it here first. i claim a share of the profits. (joke, joke. what profits?)

haha, if the goal is to make verlaine spin in his grave, it's a guarantee

tylerw, Thursday, 14 December 2023 16:04 (six months ago) link

just seems like a great way to reunite the clan. the whole mishpocha.

Thus Sang Freud, Thursday, 14 December 2023 19:08 (six months ago) link

aw i love this

i like how messy their relationship is; that they started out being symbiotic & almost inseparable & became two opposable magnets

i hope writing about it like this at least gives hell some more peace somehow, as he alludes to in the final note

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 14 December 2023 19:18 (six months ago) link

i sorta went thru life not taking hell srsly in ignorance and welp

digital chirping and whirring (Hunt3r), Thursday, 14 December 2023 19:37 (six months ago) link

I feel like I say this all the time but I always liked the way he talked about somebody like Robert Quine, as opposed to the way Lou Reed supposedly treated him.

Blecch’s POLLero (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 14 December 2023 20:08 (six months ago) link

Someone asked him about Quine at the reading, and it was clear they were close friends to the end, right through Quine's overwhelming grief over his wife's passing.

birdistheword, Thursday, 14 December 2023 20:30 (six months ago) link

Speaking of Quine, there is a great poem in the new Hell book that mentions him and Thunders and some of his other CBGB friends, the piece is untitled but you can read it here https://caesuramag.org/posts/eight-poems-from-what-just-happened-richard-hell, scroll down to “I miss Sabel Starr and Elliot Kidd”

chr1sb3singer, Monday, 18 December 2023 17:56 (six months ago) link

RH cut new vocals for some of Destiny street as part of the partial remix/recorded reissue. I'd pass on a new Television LP with his singing, lol

Reeves Gabrels' Funko Pop (majorairbro), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 04:41 (six months ago) link

this is nicely put, and true (from I Miss Sabel Starr and Elliot Kidd)

I never thought a person’s
era was all that significant to consider
about them, but it is. There are things
only the people who were together
young, in the time, can understand. And
who else is there to laugh about it
with? No one. Maybe
it’s just as well — we do tend to kind
of get twisted with age.
Half of us would have problems with
most of the others. Did at the time.
It’s all a mess.

hunter's lapdance (m coleman), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 15:33 (six months ago) link

Hey there’s some heavy Lou Reed referencing in another of those poems.

The Glittering Worldbuilders (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 15:38 (six months ago) link

i got Hell’s autobiography for xmas :D

i’m only halfway through but i don’t want it to end. dreamy and detailed and wistful (sidebar: also wow he is singularly obsessed with vaginas isnt he lol jeez)
the stuff about him and tom is so so good, as expected

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 27 December 2023 18:51 (six months ago) link

yeah that book is great, pairs well with Patti Smith's "Just Kids"

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Wednesday, 27 December 2023 20:58 (six months ago) link

yeah otm
god i love Just Kids, and def has the same vibe - i’m going to reread that next

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 27 December 2023 21:00 (six months ago) link

i liked the autobio a lot but the sex stuff does become a bit ott. iirc there were a few bits towards the end where he goes a little too far in the telling imo, and appears to make a point of naming names in a way that seems to cross the line into being unnecessary and demeaning to the people in question. but that was my only quibble. wish he would do another one that picks up where it left off.

waste of compute (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 27 December 2023 21:02 (six months ago) link

i think his overwhelming horniness overrides his sense of propriety in most cases

i don’t know why i am so forgiving in Hell’s case?

it reminds me of writer Danielle Henderson describing listening to Van Halen: (paraphrasing) the lyrics are total sexist garbage like any other glam metal group and SHOULD make me furious but somehow the personality and panache and sexiness is so over the top and the music fucking rocks so I have to crank it up louder please don’t make me explain why

richard hell is david lee roth i guess is what I am saying

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 27 December 2023 21:55 (six months ago) link

*long loud record scratch*

digital chirping and whirring (Hunt3r), Thursday, 28 December 2023 03:11 (six months ago) link

As a dude of a certain age I can find it a bit crepey but not really going to argue with anyone who doesn’t seem to mind it.

The Glittering Worldbuilders (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 28 December 2023 03:41 (six months ago) link

i really can’t account for why it doesn’t bother me when it normally absolutely would

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 28 December 2023 04:03 (six months ago) link

The book was really enjoyable and I especially liked what little he was able to write about his father - I knew little of his upbringing so it was all new - but it definitely threw me to see him write in a leering way. It reminded me of Nicolas Cage’s monologue when he hosted SNL - you kind of wish an editor would have also taken him aside and have a little talk.

birdistheword, Thursday, 28 December 2023 04:49 (six months ago) link

i liked the autobio a lot but the sex stuff does become a bit ott.

Not read the memoir yet but I remember Go Now was steamier than I was prepared for as a teen (and also dark as fuck).

impostor syndrome to the (expletive) max (stevie), Thursday, 28 December 2023 09:16 (six months ago) link

circling back after re-reading patti smith, one of the great throughlines of both Hell’s and Patti’s books is the whole subculture of ny booksellers and used books etc, they both talk about in a lot of detail & i really loved it

like patti finding flipping rare books to make rent etc

and of course tom verlaines book collection and ongoing sales kind of a post script for that whole world et.

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 1 January 2024 22:42 (six months ago) link

six months pass...

Richard usually doesn't post about politics on his website's "What's New" section (it's usually about his own work or print appearances) but given the past two weeks, he's had to make a big exception. Succinct and straight-to-the-point.

birdistheword, Sunday, 7 July 2024 05:55 (five days ago) link

Interesting

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 9 July 2024 17:36 (three days ago) link

He's giving another reading, this time in his hometown of Lexington, Kentucky.

You need to get tickets, but they're only $12 and they haven't sold out yet. (FYI per Institute 193's IG account, last time they had a reading, tickets sold out pretty quickly.) He'll also do a Q&A and book signing afterwards.

birdistheword, Thursday, 11 July 2024 05:46 (yesterday) link


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