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you're always defending them. they wrote some nice songs but theyre way overrated. I'd rather hear Rilo Kiley or the Shins.

L Roca (Tasty Choice), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 12:40 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't bore you w/my problems

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 12:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Er, um...who is this?

The Shins are, er, ok, I guess.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 12:47 (fourteen years ago) link

I've always been on the fence about the G-Bs. Like "Tallulah" pretty well, and some of "Rachel Worth." They're really good, maybe my problem is that I find them a bit dry? Production often is problematic. The piece in the Voice on the latest one sums up pretty well what I've always thought about them, actually. I don't mind the Shins, they do a nice Colin Blunstone/Nilsson imitation I guess. The GBs seem way beyond that, in my opinion.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 13:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Why does L Roca like Rilo Kiley so much? I'd rather hear anything else.

But seriously, the McLennan and Forster write incredible lyrics.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:08 (fourteen years ago) link

I've written at length about them here:

http://stylusmagazine.com/review.php?ID=2510

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Who wants 'incredible lyrics'? Is this site called 'I Love Lyrics'?

snotty moore, Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:26 (fourteen years ago) link

The write great music, then.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:37 (fourteen years ago) link

"They"

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:37 (fourteen years ago) link

I like'em cuz they're smart, full of atttude, a bit awkward and clumsy, seemed to have learned how to write songs that encompass what's best and worst about having loved and lost; I like how sometimes they seem so poncey that i want to throw their albums across the room.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:42 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Hi Alfred. I have a question for you:

What instrumental acts or albums do you like? You can include classical or jazz, but I'm mostly wondering if there's any instrumental rock/electronic music that appeals to you.

Cheers,

jaymc

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link

lol. Why this thread?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Why not use it to talk about the Go-Betweens too? (I've finally been getting around to getting the double-disc reissues of the eighties stuff.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:37 (thirteen years ago) link

xpost Only one with your name in the title. A mod could change it to ASK ALFRED SOTO if so desired.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:37 (thirteen years ago) link

go-betweens pwn!

M@tt He1geson: Sassy and I Don't Care Who Knows It (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:39 (thirteen years ago) link

Actually, I'd prefer a thread name change (I never figured out the identity of the original poster; probably a friend under an assumed name).

Since you're asking, jaymc, at home I've got Miles Davis' Live-Evil on the carousel. Instrumental stuff I like that's not jazz: Reich, Eno, Hassell, not much else that's not vaguely trance-y.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:40 (thirteen years ago) link

How are those reissues, Ned? I only own the Tallulah and 16 Lovers Lane double discs.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link

The extras on Spring Hill Fair are so-so. The versions of Unkind and Unwise are nice but otherwise only alright.

dan. (dan.), Thursday, 16 November 2006 18:19 (thirteen years ago) link

God, but "Newton Told Me" is a stunner.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 16 November 2006 18:26 (thirteen years ago) link

I was betting that you'd say the second half of Bowie's Low.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 November 2006 18:36 (thirteen years ago) link

i really like the "striped sunlight sound" dvd+cd that came out early this year. a live show on the dvd and cd (acoustic and full band) and another acoustic living room grant and robert deal where they go through the songbook chronologically and talk about what was going on at the time. check your local tower and get it cheap.

go-betweens stuff to look out for: acoustic 16 lovers lane demos and acoustic munich radio show.

dan (dan), Thursday, 16 November 2006 18:48 (thirteen years ago) link

Who wants 'incredible lyrics'? Is this site called 'I Love Lyrics'?

CLAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSIC!

Stephen Bush (Stephen B.), Thursday, 16 November 2006 18:52 (thirteen years ago) link

speaking of lyrics, there's a moment on the live show of the dvd i just mentioned where grant and robert drop the opening verse of love minus zero/no limit into an acoustic "clouds". it's spooky and perfect.

dan (dan), Thursday, 16 November 2006 19:06 (thirteen years ago) link

call me alfred

pernicus (pernicus), Thursday, 16 November 2006 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link

That's my favorite part of the show too.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 16 November 2006 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link

it's true like ice like fire.

dan (dan), Thursday, 16 November 2006 20:12 (thirteen years ago) link

three years pass...

just played "R[E]SCREEN" in scrabble for a bingo, thanking u.

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 29 January 2010 23:46 (ten years ago) link

six months pass...

Alfred, I'm sorry for judging you so harshly. Perhaps you didn't notice.

Anyway, you're fine by me now. Also, I like Miami. I have cousins there.

Henry's Hepcat (admrl), Sunday, 15 August 2010 21:01 (nine years ago) link

miami is awesome.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 15 August 2010 21:12 (nine years ago) link

Alfred's a good dude

markers, Sunday, 15 August 2010 21:15 (nine years ago) link

It's raining buckets at the moment. I'm listening to Funkadelic's "I'll Stay" and am thinking of cooking a couple of pork chops. I cringe when I remember I have federal jury duty tomorrow.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 15 August 2010 21:20 (nine years ago) link

just say "they're all guilty," and you'll walk out of jury duty -- without being selected -- in just a few short hours.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 15 August 2010 21:22 (nine years ago) link

actually, federal jury duty is interesting. federal district court judges are whipsmart. it's interesting to watch them judge cases.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 15 August 2010 21:22 (nine years ago) link

lol Daniel

markers, Sunday, 15 August 2010 21:26 (nine years ago) link

I could of course refuse to give my address except "in chambers" -- a line Mom used last year when she was getting screened to serve on a federal murder trial. She was excused.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 15 August 2010 21:26 (nine years ago) link

"being distracted by pressing work commitments" also works well.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 15 August 2010 21:28 (nine years ago) link

Racial slurs help too ("Sorry, counsel, but he's black so he probably did it").

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 15 August 2010 21:33 (nine years ago) link

sing all yr answers instead of speaking them and would at least slightly increase the chances of yr procuring a record deal before sunset tomorrow

markers, Sunday, 15 August 2010 21:35 (nine years ago) link

*that would

markers, Sunday, 15 August 2010 21:36 (nine years ago) link

oh, markers -- I finally deleted The Suburbs from my hard drive. My computers will dream of electric sleep more soundly.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 15 August 2010 21:37 (nine years ago) link

re jury duty: just crack open a bottle of banyuls rimage les clos de paulilles dessert wine tonight, then wing it tomorrow.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 15 August 2010 21:39 (nine years ago) link

Well, "no jury duty selection at this time," according to the hotline. Now I can relax.

Someone ask me a question. I got a nice tanline today!

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 15 August 2010 21:50 (nine years ago) link

justin bieber is terrible and his popularlity is the result of him being forced on the public, right?

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 15 August 2010 21:51 (nine years ago) link

did you mean George W. Bush?

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 15 August 2010 21:55 (nine years ago) link

him too.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 15 August 2010 21:56 (nine years ago) link

RIP The Suburbs

markers, Sunday, 15 August 2010 22:10 (nine years ago) link

i'm actually surprised you weren't looking forward to federal jury duty even a little, al. i've also wondered if pretending to be racist or something would work - what if they found out you did it on purpose?

k3vin k., Sunday, 15 August 2010 22:43 (nine years ago) link

i dunno how they could, racists aren't registered in any database

plate of dinosaurs (San Te), Sunday, 15 August 2010 22:44 (nine years ago) link

yeah obv but i would probably give myself away somehow

k3vin k., Sunday, 15 August 2010 22:45 (nine years ago) link

i doubt anybody seriously tries it IRL because of similar fears. just gotta keep it consistent. if you say you hate all Mexicans because a mexican killed your family, you better kill your family in case they check up on u

plate of dinosaurs (San Te), Sunday, 15 August 2010 22:46 (nine years ago) link

Vodka is for people who don't like anything about alcohol besides getting trashed.

Eastern Europe simultaneously concurs and begs to differ.

pomenitul, Friday, 21 June 2019 09:38 (eight months ago) link

Vodka is for people who don't like anything about alcohol besides getting trashed.

― Yerac

there's a very good russian restaurant where i live that offers vodka flights; vodka is certainly strong drink but based on my experience there i would definitely have to say they have more to offer than that

Flood-Resistant Mirror-Drilling Machine (rushomancy), Friday, 21 June 2019 13:36 (eight months ago) link

vodka is certainly strong drink

Read this with a muzhik accent.

pomenitul, Friday, 21 June 2019 13:38 (eight months ago) link

I like some of the russian infused vodka rooms but vodka is a characterless, neutral, neutral spirit. It's not interesting besides the high abv and using it as a vehicle to get wasted (or I guess to keep warm).

Yerac, Friday, 21 June 2019 13:47 (eight months ago) link

It's literally called 'little water', so it's supposed to be as neutral as possible. I happen to like that, but I get where you're coming from.

pomenitul, Friday, 21 June 2019 13:49 (eight months ago) link

People resent vodka for exposing the underlying trashiness of all cocktails.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 21 June 2019 14:04 (eight months ago) link

Des Esseintes would like to have a word with you.

pomenitul, Friday, 21 June 2019 14:07 (eight months ago) link

They make alcohol free vodka now, which I have not tried but seriously, I can see how the alcohol free gins and whiskey have a point but with vodka...?

Yerac, Friday, 21 June 2019 14:10 (eight months ago) link

I don't think cocktails are innately trashy, but I think vodka is kinda trashy.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 June 2019 14:13 (eight months ago) link

How so?

pomenitul, Friday, 21 June 2019 14:18 (eight months ago) link

Drinking makeshift screwdrivers with bottom shelf vodka & orange crush gave me an enduring aversion to the little water, despite a few good times with it since in classy russian restos.

L'assie (Euler), Friday, 21 June 2019 14:25 (eight months ago) link

I feel that way about tequila and rum. It's Pavlovian.

pomenitul, Friday, 21 June 2019 14:28 (eight months ago) link

I'd rather channel my resentment to the execrable mimosa.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 June 2019 14:32 (eight months ago) link

How so?

It's all a matter of perception, I guess, but I associate vodka primarily with either joyless hard drinkers or college kids who just dump a gallon into whatever juice or sweet beverage they have on hand. There's no nuance to it, imo, just a neutral strong spirit that pairs well with aggressively stupid marketing at both the luxury end and at the silly My First Drink end. Tequila and rum (and bourbon) are imo really complex spirits with a lot of variety and craft to them, and I've found that people with bad memories of those spirits base them mostly on drinking too much of the worst quality stuff at the worst time (usually college). I would never drink straight gin, but I know plenty of people who claim a gin aversion who probably had a similarly wrong/bad experience (perhaps by drinking straight gin?). But vodka is always vodka, and doesn't really add anything to drinks beyond alcohol, imo, which again, lends itself to getting drunk in the sloppiest way possible. So yeah, when I think vodka, I either think Siberia or Kappa Kappa Trash Juice.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 June 2019 14:45 (eight months ago) link

Fair enough. I resent that Eastern European drinks are systematically associated with alcoholism, but if the WHO's data is anything to go by, there's more than a grain of truth to it. That said, I genuinely enjoy the flavourlessness of vodka – there's a certain minimalistic purity to it, especially when it's served chilled.

pomenitul, Friday, 21 June 2019 14:53 (eight months ago) link

Yeah, there is definite diminishing returns with vodka re price. At least you can get a premium whiskey, rum, mezcal even mimosa cocktail that would be really great because of source ingredients, labor, aging. Premium vodka is like, here is quadruple distilled super pure ethanol!

Yerac, Friday, 21 June 2019 14:53 (eight months ago) link

Although if I had to sterilize a wound I would choose the vodka over the mimosa.

Yerac, Friday, 21 June 2019 14:59 (eight months ago) link

it rubs the vodka on its skin

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 June 2019 14:59 (eight months ago) link

more than a grain of truth to it.

Nice

o. nate, Friday, 21 June 2019 15:28 (eight months ago) link

I like vodka cream sauce.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 June 2019 15:31 (eight months ago) link

If vodka gets associated with degenerate Russians, surely gin should have the same reputation except with Britishers?

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 21 June 2019 15:48 (eight months ago) link

As far as I'm concerned, it already does.

pomenitul, Friday, 21 June 2019 15:52 (eight months ago) link

Oh and don't forget the Poles.

pomenitul, Friday, 21 June 2019 15:52 (eight months ago) link

But really, wine and beer are wholesome table beverages. Cocktails are refined expressions of drunkenness; they aim to remove the trashiness from getting trashed. Otherwise we'd be drinking smoothies. It's OK to want to get trashed; we need some degree of familiarity with oblivion.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 21 June 2019 15:53 (eight months ago) link

I would never drink straight gin

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 June 2019 15:45 (fifty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You're missing out on a whole world of fun. Depends on the gin of course, but given a slightly more complex one (Pickerings and Nordes are my current two go tos) I rather enjoy sipping my way through a few measures. I find a tonic, or even cocktails, can too easily overpower the lovely differences between them.

And yes, prior to the recent craft explosion, gin certainly had the reputation in Britain of being primarily for depressed housewives (being known as "Mother's Ruin") or for your man on the street.

Gin, like vodka, can be made with pretty common ingredients, pretty much anywhere, and is. From distilleries to bathtubs, hence (probably) their bad historic reputations. There's no "bathtub bourbon" or "bathtub tequila."

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 June 2019 16:07 (eight months ago) link

there's a very good russian restaurant where i live that offers vodka flights

Of course, I read this as 'vodka fights.'

Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 June 2019 16:08 (eight months ago) link

Gin is basically vodka but macerated with or distilled again with juniper/botanicals. I'm a little curious to try those no alcohol gins, but I can also just drink flavored water.

Yerac, Friday, 21 June 2019 16:09 (eight months ago) link

When it comes to bad reputations, nothing beats Hogarth and his 'Beer Street' (industriousness, good company, etc) and 'Gin Lane' (everything going to shit all at once) two print combo. Sorry not sorry for the huge image but the details are what make it:

https://girlvsglobe.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/hogarth-beer-gin-a3.jpg

Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 June 2019 16:10 (eight months ago) link

There's no "bathtub bourbon" or "bathtub tequila."

Sure there is, they're just not allowed to call it that on printed labels.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 21 June 2019 16:16 (eight months ago) link

No there's not, not really. Bourbon by definition has to be aged for a couple of years in a virgin barrel, among other hoops to jump through. And tequila has to be made from agave plants, which only grow in a couple of places and take 7 years to mature. So yeah, while in theory both can be DIY, they take a lot of D-ing. Years.

Rum can be made anywhere, too, and is, but needs sugar cane (that was the impetus of the sugar tax pre-Revolutionary War! There used to be dozens of rum distilleries in New England, with cane imported from the French West Indies, irking the Brits).

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 June 2019 16:20 (eight months ago) link

Trivia from the wiki entry on "bathtub gin:" "Many gin cocktails owe their existence to bathtub gin, as they were also created in order to mask the unpleasant taste." Hmm, didn't really occur to me, but I guess this makes sense! "Prohibition era"=drink whatever you can get your mitts on era.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 June 2019 16:27 (eight months ago) link

Josh, google sotol or pulque. Tequila is just one of dozens of agave liquors except it has the twin forces of law and marketing behind it. Same's true of bourbon, which is just a special kind of whiskey, which is pretty much any liquor made from cereal grains and aged in wooden barrels. Only reason there isn't more homemade whiskey in the US is because it's illegal. And it's only illegal because there's no good way to tax it, and currently licensed distilleries don't have any motivation to create more competition for themselves.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 21 June 2019 18:09 (eight months ago) link

it's not just taxes and marketing it's also protectionism of the name and any regulatory standards that go into the process or origin of an alcohol. Most other countries are stricter than the US in how they label products.

Yerac, Friday, 21 June 2019 18:56 (eight months ago) link

The US is all messed up. FFS the same tax bureau that oversees firearms and explosives deals with alcohol.

Yerac, Friday, 21 June 2019 19:02 (eight months ago) link

I actually have a couple of bottles of sotol (which afaict is one of about 6 types of agave spirits, including tequila, mezcal, raicilla, etc.). I like it! My point was that agave is a relatively rarified ingredient, and while people have traditionally been making spirits from it for ages, it's not something the vast majority of the world has access to; I've always thought the concept of "bathtub (x)" was something that can be whipped up by anyone, from moonshiners to the dudes in M*A*S*H. And while anyone can make whiskey, yeah, at least of some sort, bourbon specifically, by law, requires a handful of "special" attributes (most notably aging it for a couple of years in a virgin oak barrel) that make it hard for people to simply whip up it on demand over a couple of weeks, like they can gin or vodka or moonshine or even I guess rum. Now, you can argue those rules/restrictions are arbitrary, or just hoops to tax, and maybe they are, but those special/unique characteristics of tequila etc. and bourbon are what imo make those spirits so remarkable and full of character in a way that gin or vodka lacks. Rum is pretty diverse, too, depending on where it is made, how long it has aged, etc. But there's a reason no one ages vodka, and few age gin; what you make is more or less what you've got.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 June 2019 19:07 (eight months ago) link

I should market a bottle of sotoa

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 June 2019 19:07 (eight months ago) link

What will you call it?

Yerac, Friday, 21 June 2019 19:18 (eight months ago) link

US Bureau of Women, Fire, and Dangerous Things

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 21 June 2019 19:23 (eight months ago) link

Sotoa Pop

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 June 2019 19:44 (eight months ago) link

Sotol Le Bon

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 21 June 2019 19:47 (eight months ago) link

Alfred, Lord Sotoa

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 June 2019 19:52 (eight months ago) link

I bought a bottle of Italicus and find it very nice. The orangey-floral-bitter combination works for me. Tried it with just club soda = good. Tried it with Prosecco and some lemon juice = also good, though instead of the 1:1 ratio suggested on the Italicus bottle I did it 3:1 Prosecco. I suppose now it's onward to the Negroni flavored with Italicus.

Josefa, Thursday, 27 June 2019 16:46 (eight months ago) link

ooh I like the idea of mixing with prosecco + lemon juice

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 June 2019 16:49 (eight months ago) link

four months pass...

you really love "posture" as a verb don'tcha?

you do plenty of it too

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 17 November 2019 13:47 (three months ago) link

You answered your own question!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 17 November 2019 13:48 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

what are your other Categories beyond Big British Summer Crossover Album and #PoppyBushInterzone?

mookieproof, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 21:26 (two weeks ago) link

Cute Dudes Who Love Campari.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 21:47 (two weeks ago) link

otm

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 22:35 (two weeks ago) link


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