is Karma by Pharoah Sanders the best record ever?

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sun ship, Friday, 27 May 2005 23:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

its not even the best pharoah sanders record! it's pretty good, though.

vahid (vahid), Friday, 27 May 2005 23:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

what's better than Karma?

sun ship, Friday, 27 May 2005 23:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

izipho zam, summun bukmun umyun, maybe tauhid.

vahid (vahid), Friday, 27 May 2005 23:53 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

you're trying to tell me those are better than Karma

sun ship, Saturday, 28 May 2005 00:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

How weird. I woke up this morning wondering if I should buy this record today. I've never heard it.

Seuss, Saturday, 28 May 2005 00:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

it's the best record ever

sun ship, Saturday, 28 May 2005 00:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Izipho Zam, Tauhid, Live At The East, Thembi, Jewels Of Thought, Summun, Bukmun, Umyun and Black Unity are all better than Karma.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 28 May 2005 00:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i'm not so sure i can agree with that

sun ship, Saturday, 28 May 2005 00:53 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i think the shorter compositions on izipho zam and SBU work better than the 33 minute monolith of karma. also sonny sharrock's work on izipho zam and tauhid is pretty undeniable.

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 28 May 2005 00:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"karma" the song might be the best song of the past 45 years, though

sun ship, Saturday, 28 May 2005 00:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Karma may not be Pharoah's best LP, but it is his most powerfully moving. It never fails to make this hardcore agnostic think that, just maybe, there is a benevolent Creator and that His/Her Masterplan could actually work and that there could be peace and happiness for every man (and woman, too, damn it). Leon Thomas' vocals also are a thing of unspeakable majesty.

Dave Segal (Da ve Segal), Saturday, 28 May 2005 01:18 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Having "The Creator Has a Master Plan" going through my head has also helped me on many a long-distance run. So there's that, too.

Dave Segal (Da ve Segal), Saturday, 28 May 2005 01:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

yes! finally someone knows. this record is unmitigated joyfulness

sun ship, Saturday, 28 May 2005 01:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

That's it, I'm buying it.

Seuss, Saturday, 28 May 2005 01:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

leon thomas is on "izipho zam", too! check side 1: "prince of peace / balance". i think his performance on "prince of peace" is just as moving, then there is a part that follows about 15 minutes in where sanders and sharrock really bear down and create this unbelievable wall of drone that will sear your brain followed by this great funky and menacing cosmic voodoo jam.

i dunno, i guess i feel like there is more striving on izipho zam, laying something down that they stretched out on for karma without really expanding.

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 28 May 2005 01:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

karma is great, though! everyone should own two copies of each pharoah album!

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 28 May 2005 01:49 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, everyone needs Izipho Zam AND Karma. It's as mandatory as owning Vision Creation Newsun and Seadrum/House Of Sun (or Super AE).

Dave Segal (Da ve Segal), Saturday, 28 May 2005 07:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

if karma is as good as izipho zam then i must get it now

charltonlido (gareth), Saturday, 28 May 2005 08:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Karma's "The Creator Has a Master Plan" has an indelible tune, killer bass line, the most soulful singing ever, and a brilliant, cacophonous freakout interlude. It will give you inspiration for the rest of your life. If those are things that sound desirable to you, then purchase posthaste.

Dave Segal (Da ve Segal), Saturday, 28 May 2005 18:04 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'll never understand the people who prefer Iphizo Zam to Tauhid. Tauhid is a lot better. I can only assume the IZ fans don't have or have never heard Tauhid. I think this is the case with Gareth maybe? I dunno, the two records are very similar, but Tauhid just *sounds* a lot better. It's my favorite Pharoah record, and one of my top twenty records of all-time. And I have all the Pharoah records up through his entire run on Impulse and have had them all for 10+ years. But Tauhid is the one I always come back to. Jewels of Thought is my second fave, and it's real close to approaching Tauhid's greatness in my mind; Jewels of Thought is one motherfucker of a record....

Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 28 May 2005 18:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I heard "Spiritual Blessing" from Elevation and was hooked, but when I went to Amoeba, they only had Karma and a few other albums. In the absence of guidance other than AMG, I picked Karma. It's good, but I want to hear "Spiritual Blessing" again. So what about Elevation?

youn, Saturday, 28 May 2005 18:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

>I'll never understand the people who prefer Iphizo Zam to Tauhid.

I have all the Impulse albums, and Izipho Zam is my favorite thing of Pharaoh's. It's the tuba, I think, that makes it better than Tauhid. Plus, Sharrock is more unfettered on IZ.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 28 May 2005 18:36 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Merzbow - "Dharma" is better.

Cool Hand Luuke (ex machina), Saturday, 28 May 2005 18:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Iphizo Zam is definitely good -- ALL the records from his initial run are good (including, yes, Elevation) except for that first one on ESP -- but, i dunno .... "Upper Egypt/Lower Egypt" is just so monolithic to me ... huge personal touchstone. Plus, "Japan"!! Actually, when Dave says this ---- powerfully moving. It never fails to make this hardcore agnostic think that, just maybe, there is a benevolent Creator and that His/Her Masterplan could actually work and that there could be peace and happiness for every man (and woman, too, damn it). Leon Thomas' vocals also are a thing of unspeakable majesty. ---- that is totally the same vibe I get on something like "Japan". There is just something so earnest and I guess, hate to use this word but, "pure" about that melody and the overall vibe of the recording... I can't imagine it being made by anybody but deeply, deeply spiritual people. 'spiritual' as in full of piety. I don't know, it's just kind of humbling to me to even listen to it. There is such an urge to transmit beauty on the part of the musicians .. those Pharoah albums, along with the Alice albums, are really like nothing else in the history of jazz... Leon Thomas's presence on the Pharoah stuff was just so forceful...

Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 28 May 2005 19:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

>There is just something so earnest and I guess, hate to use this word but, "pure" about that melody and the overall vibe of the recording... I can't imagine it being made by anybody but deeply, deeply spiritual people. 'spiritual' as in full of piety. I don't know, it's just kind of humbling to me to even listen to it. There is such an urge to transmit beauty on the part of the musicians .. those Pharoah albums, along with the Alice albums, are really like nothing else in the history of jazz...

I've been trying to find the right words to talk about the shift from the howling squalls of late-60s free jazz to the blissed-out spirituality of early-70s Pharaoh, Alice, etc. I often feel, when listening to these albums, that my own militant atheism (it actually makes me angry when people I've previously considered intelligent mention their belief in a god in my presence) keeps me from fully appreciating them (gospel, too, though sacred steel guitar blows me away).

I'm also searching for more music in that spiritual-jazz vein - who else was doing that kind of stuff during those years, and what's in print on CD?

pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 28 May 2005 19:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

more in the spiritual jazz vein:

Maurice McIntyre - Humility In The Light of Creator!! (one of my favorite albums EVER)

Eddie Gale - "Black Rhythm Happening" & "Ghetto Music" (!!!)

Bill Cosby presents "Badfoot Brown & the Bunions Bradfor Funeral and Marching Band" (one of the most emotional albums ever. was a requiem for the just passed away Martin Luther King jR)

Alice Coltrane (Everything she ever released)
Leon Thomas solo albums
Albert Ayler
John Coltrane (of course)
Don Cherry
John Klemmer (late 60s early 70s)
Carlos Santana & John Mclaughlin "Love, Devotion, Surrender"
Gato Barbieri (Stuff on Flying Nun and his album with Dollar Brand)
Max Roach ("It's Time", "Freedom Now Suite", "Lift Every Voice")
Charles Lloyd
Art Ensemble of Chicago

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Saturday, 28 May 2005 20:04 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Flying Dutchman i mean, not flying nun

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Saturday, 28 May 2005 20:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Archie Shepp
Andy Bey
Joe McPhee
Dewey Redman
Joe Henderson "Elements" (ft Alice Coltrane)
Phil Ranelin "The Time is Now" (this one is straight spiritual unlike his funky "Vibes from the Tribe")

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Saturday, 28 May 2005 20:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I've been wondering about those Eddie Gale discs. I always see them in the store, but always pass them by. Also, which Don Cherry discs should I pick up? I have Mu and Eternal Rhythm already. Never been a big Charles Lloyd fan.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 28 May 2005 20:10 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Bobby Hutcherson "Now!" (amazing!)
Horace Silver "Silver & Percussion" "Silver & Voices"
Abdullah Ibrahim & Johnny Dyani "Echoes from Africa"
Charlie Haden "Liberation Music Orchestra"
Cecil McBee "Mutima"
Lester Bowie
Harold Land "Choma (Burn)"

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Saturday, 28 May 2005 20:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

here's my rundown of the Cherry albums i have
Don Cherry - s/d

Those Eddie Gale releases are the ultimate. sooooooo amazing!!

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Saturday, 28 May 2005 20:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

and not to be contrarian to the rest of the thread, but i listen to "Village of the Pharoahs" and "Wisdom Through Music" far more than i listen to any other Sanders albums

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Saturday, 28 May 2005 20:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

and if you're really jonesing for some more of this stuff, LA dj & club thrower Carlos Nino put out an album as a band called Build an Ark that sounds IDENTICAL to this stuff. it has Derf Reklaw, Dwight Trible, Phil Ranelin, Stanley Cowell. they do covers of Sanders, ranelin & cowell tunes. more than half of it is sorta blah, but there are a few really good tracks on it. but it's kinda like "what's the point?"

and dwight trible has a solo album out a few years ago. he sings just like leon thomas

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Saturday, 28 May 2005 20:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"which Don Cherry discs should I pick up?"

Brown Rice

I also second Joe Henderson's Elements w/ Alice and Charlie Haden.

Dave Segal (Da ve Segal), Saturday, 28 May 2005 21:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Haven't heard Karma, but I gotta say that Pharoah's 1999 set at Bumbershoot was the finest live jazz performance I have ever witnessed in all of my 39 years. The man has GOT IT.

sleeve (sleeve), Saturday, 28 May 2005 23:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I saw Pharaoh in 1992 or 1993, at Iridium in NYC (when it was still up by Lincoln Center). He had Cindy Blackman, from Lenny Kravitz's band, on drums.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 28 May 2005 23:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I saw Pharoah about that time at Yoshi's in Oakland. Not very much sax in the mix, considering. There was a lot more chanting and hand percussion.

I guess I gotta try out this Iphizo Zam thing.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Sunday, 29 May 2005 01:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...
whats the deal with this private tape of sanders in france in 1971 with a 55(!) minute version of creator has a master plan? anyone heard it?

charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 23 June 2005 23:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

my mistake. its nice, and its not 55 minutes either

Session 4, 18.07.1971, Nice, France

Pharoah Sanders ts, ss, fl, tamb, perc
Lonnie Liston Smith p
Cecil McBee b
Jimmy Hopps dr
Lawrence Killian bongo

1.Jamil (Sanders) 22:55
2.Unknown title (sanders) 19:30
2.The Creator Has a Master Plan (Sanders-Thomas) 20:45
3.Let Us Go into the House of the Lord (Sanders) 25:13

Private tape

charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 24 June 2005 00:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'd like to hear it please

a real bear behind the microphone (nordicskilla), Friday, 24 June 2005 02:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

its not as good as i'd hoped, though it can go on the cdr package

astral travelling, tell me of this one?

charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 1 July 2005 06:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"The Creator Has a Master Plan" is brilliant, but the song that follows it is kinda boring.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 1 July 2005 09:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

oh, in my post, i meant the live set in Nice. Karma is great, almost as good as izipho zam!

charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 1 July 2005 09:36 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

only a fiver in the hmv sale at the moment for them as haven't got it yet!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 1 July 2005 09:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Black Unity shattered my mind into a million pieces.
Nothing compares to this album.

theophilus jones (theophilus), Friday, 1 July 2005 12:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

so dope.

Baby BobO (nordicskilla), Friday, 1 July 2005 15:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

is that a vieri reference?

charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 1 July 2005 15:54 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

amateurist

Baby BobO (nordicskilla), Friday, 1 July 2005 15:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...
So, is there anything in the world nearly as joyful in an unrestrained, sun breaking through mist in the morning, life suddenly makes sense, pancakes in winter way as "Creator Has A Master Plan"? If so please recommend kthx

nervous (cochere), Friday, 29 July 2005 10:50 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Sorry, the glitch is on the right speaker, not the left one.

Tuomas, Thursday, 29 November 2012 10:16 (five years ago) Permalink

afaict my sunspots CD doesn't seem to have that glitch!

the late great, Thursday, 29 November 2012 10:22 (five years ago) Permalink

either that or i am deaf - i can hear what you're talking about on the youtubes but i don't hear it on the cd. haven't got my turntable set up so i can't tell you whether the LP has it or not.

if you like karma, i'd say you should need izipho zam. whether you want to spend 25 quid on it or you want to download mp3s i can't really say.

the late great, Thursday, 29 November 2012 10:24 (five years ago) Permalink

ignore that "should"

the late great, Thursday, 29 November 2012 10:25 (five years ago) Permalink

I know there was a 9 minute edit of Creator that was on a couple of compis, I think including the yellow covered 2cd Pharaoh compi thta came out around 10 years ago. I couldn't find that compi when I put the tracks on my walkman at the start of the year or it woul ddegfinitely have featured, & interface between that player & my computer has meant I haven't edited the content since. Keeps wanting to totally wipe what's on there (reformat) and have you start again.

Was also on an Impulse sampler i picked up a couple of years earlier I think.

But as far as i know that was just a shorter edit not a different version. Is there a different version on an lp by LLS? I'm not as familiare with his solo material as I might be. Do like Expansions though.

Stevolende, Thursday, 29 November 2012 10:50 (five years ago) Permalink

The shorter version of "Creator" is on Leon Thomas's debut album, not on Lonnie Liston Smith's. And yeah, it's a different recording, and it also has Thomas singing the verses of the song, which don't appear on the version Karma (though the lyrics to the verses are in Karma's inner sleeve). Someone posted a Youtube link to it upthread.

Lonnie Liston Smith's debut album has a different, shorter version of "Let Us Go Into The House Of The Lord" though, which is quite good (as is the whole album, well worth checking out if dig Pharoah).

Tuomas, Thursday, 29 November 2012 13:49 (five years ago) Permalink

"on the version on Karma"

Tuomas, Thursday, 29 November 2012 13:50 (five years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

22 minute version by Sanders.

My Favorite Things

nickn, Sunday, 17 March 2013 23:31 (five years ago) Permalink

Or not. Scroll down the list on the right until you see Sanders from 2008.

nickn, Sunday, 17 March 2013 23:32 (five years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Today "The Gathering" off Elevation is sounding like the best thing ever.

supermassive pot hole (seandalai), Friday, 19 April 2013 17:02 (five years ago) Permalink

i am drooling over the bardo pond cover of master plan
hope i find one tomorrow!

and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Friday, 19 April 2013 17:05 (five years ago) Permalink

hey thanks for reminding me!

my mental killfile seems to be working (sleeve), Friday, 19 April 2013 17:06 (five years ago) Permalink

and maggot brain!! but mostly want to hear alternate version of master plan. i've heard other maggot brains.

and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Friday, 19 April 2013 17:10 (five years ago) Permalink

this was gonegonegone at every store i went to today
BUT
apparently it's on emusic so at least i can still hear it

and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Saturday, 20 April 2013 21:21 (five years ago) Permalink

i think any fan of the original should hear this. it's on spotify too. totally worth your 15 min.
i haven't stopped thinking about it for 2 days! i mean, on and off, but still. it's really good!!

and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Monday, 22 April 2013 13:47 (five years ago) Permalink

Never heard of Bardo Pond, who is he/she/they?

Tuomas, Monday, 22 April 2013 13:58 (five years ago) Permalink

they are a band from philadelphia usa

and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Monday, 22 April 2013 14:01 (five years ago) Permalink

Jazz band?

Tuomas, Monday, 22 April 2013 14:09 (five years ago) Permalink

Nope, they're a rock band (drone/psych/spacerock)

dschinghis kraan (NickB), Monday, 22 April 2013 14:13 (five years ago) Permalink

BTW I'm probably v. late with this, but I only got round to picking up the reissue of Don Cherry's Organic Music Society fairly recently and I would totally recommend it to all. Really good version of Creator Has A Master Plan on there too! Worth buying the physical product cos the packaging is lovely but here's a spotify link anyhow:

http://open.spotify.com/album/2ODX5qfcDBR0FaMJGhAZIs

dschinghis kraan (NickB), Monday, 22 April 2013 14:34 (five years ago) Permalink

Bardo Pond and Organic Music Society both very good - thanks thread!

supermassive pot hole (seandalai), Monday, 22 April 2013 15:08 (five years ago) Permalink

haven't heard the organic music society version, but there's also a nice performance of it on the live in ankara album recorded in 1969. this song always makes me happy, so i'm kind of curious to see what bardo pond have done with it (given i've not kept up with their output for a long, long time).

no lime tangier, Monday, 22 April 2013 17:45 (five years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

i heard a cover of Colors I was really into but i dont know who its by

cog, Monday, 7 October 2013 15:36 (five years ago) Permalink

I listened to this at lunch today for the first time. it's fun, kind of sloppy/sketchy in places but in a fun way.

Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Monday, 7 October 2013 15:52 (five years ago) Permalink

Karma is great, but I prefer Tauhid, mostly for sentimental reasons though.

Moodles, Monday, 7 October 2013 15:57 (five years ago) Permalink

i've always felt that pharoah's best work is on journey to satchidananda, better than his solo albums or even his playing with coltrane (john)

marcos, Monday, 7 October 2013 16:00 (five years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

Anyway, I'd still love to hear if anyone who has the Izipho Zam CD can confirm whether it has the glitch on "Prince of Peace" or not?

― Tuomas, Tuesday, 27 November 2012 10:00
This 'glitch' appears to be present on the latest reissue which you can hear on Bandcamp. It could very be from the same needle-drop as earlier reissues, possibly cleaned up (de-noised and faded earlier) slightly.

Noel Emits, Friday, 12 January 2018 14:18 (nine months ago) Permalink

* very well

Noel Emits, Friday, 12 January 2018 14:18 (nine months ago) Permalink

thanking u again for not deleting karma et al from the Sansa Clip you sent me, noel

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Friday, 12 January 2018 20:08 (nine months ago) Permalink

Not to appear unappreciative of the expressed gratitude but I genuinely have no idea to what you refer.

Noel Emits, Friday, 12 January 2018 20:34 (nine months ago) Permalink

I've got that izipho cd, I'll check for the glitch later

kolakube (Ross), Friday, 12 January 2018 20:40 (nine months ago) Permalink

xpost whoops! I have transposed you with ilxor Niels sorry!

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Friday, 12 January 2018 20:46 (nine months ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

https://www.nts.live/shows/black-classical-history-of-spiritual-jazz/episodes/tales-from-the-mothership-creator-has-a-master-plan-12th-october-2018

A lovely set of different versions of The Creator Has a Master Plan, none of which I'd heard before. This Jef Gilson and Malagasy one is pretty immense.

Federico Boswarlos, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 14:55 (two days ago) Permalink

oh nice, thanks

sleeve, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 15:04 (two days ago) Permalink

cheers

Ross, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 15:47 (two days ago) Permalink

sweet

tylerw, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 15:55 (two days ago) Permalink

LP version (Creator split across two sides with a break in between where you have to flip the record over and wonder what cosmic madness the musicians are up to before the music starts again) vs. CD or streaming version, ie, one glorious unbroken track?

dinnerboat, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 16:22 (two days ago) Permalink

CD version for sure

Ross, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 16:38 (two days ago) Permalink

yes
thank you for that link

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 16:41 (two days ago) Permalink

A lovely set of different versions of The Creator Has a Master Plan, none of which I'd heard before.
I was familiar with some of them, but didn't know Jamaaladeen Tacuma recorded a version too, have to check it out. However, despite what the description says, it's missing at least one version of the song, the one Jeri Brown did with Leon Thomas. It's quite good!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KwafWDmW4oU

Tuomas, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 17:48 (two days ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwafWDmW4oU

Tuomas, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 17:48 (two days ago) Permalink

Yes, there are definitely ones it left out. I like the Bardo Pond version, for one. Will give the Jeri Brown one a listen, thanks for sharing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXB1l2M0fSk

Federico Boswarlos, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 18:03 (two days ago) Permalink

the bardo pond version is the only cover i've heard! that is why i am looking forward to the others. then again, BP and the original are so good idk if i want to ruin it...

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 18:19 (two days ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M0EX5KBU2Y

DPRK Nowitzki (EMEL), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 18:57 (two days ago) Permalink

https://tuluumshimmering.bandcamp.com/track/the-creator-has-a-master-plan

is this the longest one?

tylerw, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 19:09 (two days ago) Permalink

I was familiar with some of them, but didn't know Jamaaladeen Tacuma recorded a version too, have to check it out. However, despite what the description says, it's missing at least one version of the song, the one Jeri Brown did with Leon Thomas. It's quite good!

― Tuomas

nucleus also did a version with leon thomas. and king crimson did a version too!

dub pilates (rushomancy), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 19:10 (two days ago) Permalink

THere's a snippet on the Gun Club's Las Vegas Story too. I think there may have been a few live versions, I know they used to do a song they called A Love Supreme too, there's a European cd called Death Party (not to be confused with the extended E.P. cd) with a 9 minute version of that from late 83. I think they had swapped over to Creator for some of 84.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 19:15 (two days ago) Permalink

holy shit @ the Krokodil one! thanks.

sleeve, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 00:37 (yesterday) Permalink

sun ships adamant love for this record at the thread's start is really great

Ross, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 16:59 (yesterday) Permalink


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