Anyone like SWA?

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Chuck Dukowski's post-Black Flag band. Numerous albums on SST. I just got the album entitled XCIII from when Sylvia Juncosa was in the band (ca. '87). Really good playing by both her and Dukowski. Reminiscent of MX-80 Sound in some ways - the guitar playing plus having a comedian for a singer. SWA songs (at least on this album) have more room for improvisation, though. A lot of people must have thought they were serious about some of the intentionally banal musical materials in the songs, but I think it's obvious when you hear it that they were merely intended as context for the funny lyrics and as some simple heavy rock structures on which Dukowski and Juncosa could riff.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 20:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Not as good as DC3. Or Wurm. Or Gone, for that matter.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 21:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I was kinda hoping this thread was about a Bitchez With Attitude/Sisters With Voices collaboration.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 21:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Actually, I haven't heard them in years, so I might well be wrong. But at the time, they consistently hit me as one of the dullest bands on the SST roster. Which is saying a lot, when you think about it.

Probably better than Painted Willie, though. Maybe even better than Das Damen! (And what was that other band, Lawndale or something?)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 21:34 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Someone said the earlier SWA albums aren't as good. This one (again, only one w/ Juncosa on guitar) is pretty awesome, at least. I think I'm going to check out the one after this, Winter, next.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 21:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

xhuxk I have called you out on giving Lawndale short shrift before, you need to hear Sasquatch Rock again.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 21:36 (thirteen years ago) Permalink


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I remember liking this song, and I have one LP or EP (the one with the bleeding seal or walrus drawing on it) but I don't rememeber anything else about them. And I'm thinking of changing my name to "Swamy Arroyo."

nickn (nickn), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 21:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

There's no "my" in the title - just "Arroyo." Yeah, that's the XCIII album.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 21:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

TS:

Lawndale vs. The Raybeats
Lawndale vs. Love Tractor
Lawndale vs. the genre of "post-rock"

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 22:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i saw lawndale's jack skelley do a poetry thing once where he simply read some of the more provocative passages in zep book "hammer of the gods". it was excellent.

swa were a really good live band. chuck's band right now is worth checking out too.

dan (dan), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 22:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Not as good as SAW.

alext (alext), Thursday, 26 May 2005 06:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

xhuxk, maybe you meant the Treacherous Jaywalkers?

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 26 May 2005 06:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The only SWA record I bought was the 'Arroyo' 12". And that's not a bad song, y'know, just not a very good one. Still got a few Sylvia Juncosa/To Damascus records though, but haven't spun one since 1989 or something. Maybe I should, in honour of this thread.

Wasn't mad keen on Treacherous Jaywalkers at all, but they were *gold* next to Run Westy Run.

(Someone get Troccoli on this thread now!)

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 26 May 2005 07:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Ha, I actually remember liking To Damascus, oddly enough! Reviewed them favorably in Creem Metal, even. (But I got rid of those rekkids long ago, too.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 26 May 2005 16:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

For me there was a time that SST was THE label.
Huskers, Meat Puppets,Stains,Minutemen, Descendents, Tar Babies(my memory fades I could be wrong about the latter three, but didn't they sign later in their careers?)) and Black Flag of course although everything after MY War debatable.

But all that dross;and muggins here bought much of it,all that including those Flag off shoots and instrumentals. All that dippy ,hippy tuneless pap. What was I doing? I have no idea. I can't even remember their awful names but the aforementioned Das Damen and DC3 ring a worrying faint bell and I probably have two or three each of their mid rock disasters in my pain in the butt vinyl i have to shift around everytime another relationship crashes.

hull hole (hull hole), Thursday, 26 May 2005 17:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Never heard 'em, tho I do own that first Sylvia Juncosa rec, which has been lying around unplayed for 15 years or so, much like NickB's.
(Lord, all those forgotten early SST bands: Overkill, Wurm, Blast!...)

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Thursday, 26 May 2005 17:54 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I liked a few Das Damen records. Fuzzy psych rock with dopey sounding vocals and some sugary sweet tunes lurking somewhere in the fug. Jupiter Eye and Triskadecaphobe were both alright, but that Marshmallow Conspiracy EP was great in places. Didnt it have Brother Wayne Kramer on it somewhere?

Someone I NEVER see any love for: Always August, the bongo-driven strum-along jazz-rock jam-band in the SST roster. Id imagine they probably wore ponchos when they played and had to shake their curly hair lots when the bugs started itching mid-solo. But they were much better than all this makes them sound! Quietly and subtly amazing but everyone else hated them I think.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 26 May 2005 17:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

In 1987 I wrote a 4000-or-so word SST essay in the Voice; my favorite bands on the roster at that particular moment were Dinosaur (pre Jr still I think), Screaming Trees (whose '90s stuff I still have no use for), and Blind Idiot God (who nobody else ever seemed to have noticed.) I remember giving the Crazy Backwards Alphabet album a good review in Creem when it came out, too; anybody remember that one?

xhuxk, Thursday, 26 May 2005 18:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Had very mixed feelings on Slovenly, who, um, sounded too slovenly to me, I think, and seemed too addicted to their thesaurus. But I've always had the feeling I underrated them, and if I saw one of their albums cheap now, I'd definitely pick it up to investigate.

I remember also having mixed feelings about some Tar Babies EP once, but it may not have been on SST. They were from Wisconsin, right? Killdozer country. Sounded sort of hardcore punk funk? I still have a 45 by them on my shelf at home; I should listen to it sometime.

xhuxk, Thursday, 26 May 2005 18:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I got the Crazy Backwards Alphabet record. John French, Henry Kaiser and Michael Someoneorother (who was also in a supposedly great Beefhearty band from the Baltic somewhere). But who was the forth person? Hmmm, Im struggling here! All I remember about the album was that it wasnt quite as fucked as I would have liked. Didnt some of it sound a bit like Dire Straits? Oh, and Matt Groening did the cover.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 26 May 2005 18:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Slovenly and Tar Babies were both great! Slovenly actually are one of my favourite bands ever and I find it hard talking about them at all subjectively. But once you get past Steve Anderson (who I love, but I can see where people find problems there), just listen to how those guitars mesh together, like two Tom Verlaines in a make-believe Magic Band. Fine drummer too! Up there with Universal Congress Of as one of the great unknowns.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 26 May 2005 18:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, Universal Congress Of, I remember liking that one for about two weeks, too! Who the hell were they? (And did SST put out a Biota record around the same time, or was that some other label? For some reason I associate Biota with UCO, though I have no idea why anymore.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 26 May 2005 18:22 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Dont think they did. UCO were Joe Baizas band - he was the guitar player in Saccharine Trust. Couple of the Cruel Frederick fellows were in them too.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 26 May 2005 18:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

xhuxk I have called you out on giving Lawndale short shrift before, you need to hear Sasquatch Rock again.

-- gygax! (gygax0...), May 25th, 2005.

HOLY OTMZZ....GYGAX U RULE.

ddb (ddb), Thursday, 26 May 2005 18:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I love Blind Idiot God. Their guitarist, Andy Hawkins, put out an amazing CD under the name Azonic - it's way out of print now, but it's fantastically heavy overdubbed solo guitar stuff, kinda like Sonny Sharrock's Guitar combined with Haino's Execration That Accept To Acknowledge, with some blatant steals from Hendrix circa 1970, and sampled dialogue from Apocalypse Now, too. It's called Halo; dig it up if you can.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 26 May 2005 18:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Blind Idiot God are really cool, "Wide Open Spaces" off the first record being particularly awesome. The one Tar Babies record I've heard (Honey Bubble) kinda hurts me to listen to, but enough people I usually find myself in line with like them enough that I'm willing to give them another shot - is Fried Milk any good, those that know?

Zack Richardson (teenagequiet), Thursday, 26 May 2005 18:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The Michael you're talking about who was in Crazy Backwards Alphabet was Michael Maksymenko from the indeed great '70s Swedish band Kraldjursanstalten. This guy had been a hockey player, but had a bad bicycle accident and have to give it up. He formed the band with the idea of making music as complicated and intense as Russian hockey! The CD reissue of their two albums is "dedicated to the Anatolli Tarasov school of ice hockey."

Also: there's a CD reissue of the first two Tar Babies EPs on an Australian label called Lexicon Devil that's really good. They were a really good hardcore band before they started doing the funkier stuff on their SST albums.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 26 May 2005 19:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Universal Congress Of was Joe Baiza from Saccharine Trust's group.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 26 May 2005 19:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

oops SOMEONE ALREADY SAID THAT : (

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 26 May 2005 19:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Bitchez With Attitude

I went for the 'Hoes with Attitudes' joke when this thread began, but wisely did not press send.

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Thursday, 26 May 2005 19:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

How could I forget Slovenly? I did
Riposte was excellent...'the way untruths are'. I would easily put that on a comp. now.

And Blind Idiot God..... the first post rock instrumental band complete with specs. I seem to remember that they had a song called 'Shifting sands' which had beautiful , massive alt. tuned chords but I may be wrong. I often am.

hull hole (hull hole), Thursday, 26 May 2005 20:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Bitchez With Attitude

Wait. Correction is needed, even if it's not actually relevant to the subject.

BWP - Bitchez with Problems
HWA - Hoes with Attitudes

Thank you.

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Thursday, 26 May 2005 21:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I had a couple of Blind Idiot God things - the SST album and one on Enemy. THink that the latter was the better one, cos they managed to fuse the two distinct genres they dabbled in much better rather than leaving them as these two seperate indentities.

Was never that big on Riposte, too much seemed to hang on too few words. Not enough of that careening about that I love em for! Thinking of Empire was my favourite album probably, think that a good few folks on ILM might gobble it up if they knew much about it. Not very SST-like at all really despite the presence of a Saccharine Trust guy. Theres Pere Ubu and Television in there, but they also seemed to be very much informed by the Fall and the Blue Orchids (who they covered), Joy Division, early Scritti Politti. And yet they still sound totally unique and original to me. Maybe they sound like a much better, more considered version of the Shrubs or the Nightingales.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 26 May 2005 21:18 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Maybe they sound like a much better, more considered version of the Shrubs or the Nightingales.

Hmmm, that makes them sound really shitty though, so Im going to shut up about it now!

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 26 May 2005 21:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

St Vitus Dance kept the punk rock torch scorching in about 1986. Surely?

hull hole (hull hole), Thursday, 26 May 2005 23:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Nick, surely Nightingales > Slovenly (!)

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 27 May 2005 12:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I agree with Tim -- I definitely liked the Nightingales way more than Slovenly way back then (and unlike Slovenly or most of these other bands, I still have records by them, which counts for something.)

xhuxk, Friday, 27 May 2005 13:27 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Hmmm, maybe I need to get the Pigs On Purpose reissue then, cos all I have left in the stacks now is the EP with the elephant on it. Till that time though, I'm clutching Slovenly to my breast and burying my head in the sand.

I actually listened to some To Damascus last night! First side of Come To Your Senses. It was buried in the back of a cupboard next to Minuteflag and that dodgy Yanamamos thing on New Alliance that Grant Hart played on. Anyhow, I quite liked it! Juncosa sounds both quite spiky and very fluid, creating these glistening little rockpools then immediately strafing them with bullets. Reminded me a bit of Curt Kirkwood, and I guess they share that thing where their voices are all dopey and wayward, but they're still really nailing those notes at the same time.

NickB (NickB), Friday, 27 May 2005 14:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

(Any takers for Sister Double Happiness?)

NickB (NickB), Friday, 27 May 2005 14:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

This site has some good prices on old stock from SST and other labels. Records, CDs, and tapes.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 27 May 2005 15:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I've seen Slovenly's We Shoot For The Moon compared to MX-80 Sound's Hard Attack by more than one individual, so you just KNOW I'm gonna check it out one day. But I hope it's better than Riposte, 'cause I really didn't care for that one much at all. That singer of theirs, man: both tuneless and pompous, not a good combination at all.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yes it is true, and the funny thing is, they knew it, just couldn't ever fix it.

These Robust Cookies (Robust Cookies), Friday, 27 May 2005 21:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I did notice that Leaving Trains are back (original line-up sez the ad) and playing in LA soon. "Virginia City" is the only song of theirs I remember, but it's pretty good.

nickn (nickn), Friday, 27 May 2005 22:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...
Merrill Ward = one of the best lyricist evaaaaaaaaah:

"Winter"

What will you do? Where will you go
When the cold winds start to blow?
The children all know
The winter is here!
Yes, it's here!

Dark is the day
When we find that we have lost our way
Caught in the storm
Further from the chosen path we stray
Can't you hear what all the children say?

Seasons they change and so should we
When all refuse to see
The winter is here!
Yes, it's here!

The power we gave
They abused and used it to enslave
Put us all into an early grave

In this old world (?)
Where children can grow
You only reap what you sow
Or didn't you know?

(Buried vocals)
Can't escape from the storm
Find shelter, safe and warm
The winter is here!
Yes, it's here!

Fools are the wise
Who would blindly trade the truth for lies
See it written in the children's eyes

Lovers were found lost on the road
In frozen embrace in the snow
The children all know!
The winter is here!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 30 December 2005 16:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Good name for SWA tribute band: BON SOIR

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 30 December 2005 19:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
"I wanna love you with my headphones on"

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 31 March 2006 22:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

four months pass...
Number one album of 1989 perhaps, perhaps:

http://www.musiq.pl/images/35/SWA_Winter.jpg

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 5 August 2006 01:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...
SWA!

Their live performance on THE TOUR VHS (SSTV 02) flies high & mightily, showing them doing that out/free-hardrock thing they patented, to great effect. (Get it quick - it's available in booted DVD form on e-bay)

SEE: Dukowski pumpin' away on bass like a human steamboiler! Merrill stutter-steppin' like Jagger on speed! The twin-leads of Ray Cooper & Richard Ford circling/scattering like bloodthursty hyenas in the night! And Greg Cameron drumming, mooring it all like a railroad spike driven straight through the foot.

Sure beat the pants offa the HUSKERS, and maybe the MEAT PUPPETS too (but not SACCHARINE TRUST. Never.)

As usual, there appears to be only like 2 people in the audience. People are stupid, ya know?

BTW: I also once had a tape of a KXLU "Braincookies" live performance of theirs - as I recall, it was 1 continuous, 40-min. improvised heavy jam. Just nuts. Wish I still had that. Hell - wish I still had a tape player.

Michael Row (mrow), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 15:19 (twelve years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu6VQt2QiiI

Arroyoooooooooooooo! She's my arroyooooo!

Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Farting in Space (NickB), Wednesday, 31 March 2010 19:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

The squaw on guitar is Sylvia Juncosa amirite?

Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Farting in Space (NickB), Wednesday, 31 March 2010 19:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

eight years pass...

man the Chuck Dukowski Sextet certainly is Dukowskian. RIYL if you like SWA or Wurm, i.e. if you're me and no one else on planet earf

blood, loud screaming and nudity (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 10 January 2019 05:57 (two months ago) Permalink


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