Name people whose career arcs resemble that of Paul Carrack

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Never really made a splash as a solo artist. Drifted into several modestly well-known bands, never for long, but always managed to grace a widely recognizable record. Famous only to those who read liner notes with care.

I mean, how many people on the street would recognize his name? But play them "How Long," "Tempted," and "The Living Years," and a glimmer of recognition would dawn: same guy? Yep, same guy, three different bands.

I think in the alternate universe in which I am a rock star, I would like to be this sort of rock star: flying just under the radar, able to walk about without being noticed, but everybody knows your work even if they've never heard of you.

The Mad Puffin, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 16:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Joe Walsh?

dave q (listerine), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 16:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Adrian Belew?

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 16:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Jeff Beck?

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 16:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Drummer John Barbata fits under "always managed to grace a widely recognizable record" (he played on the best records of the Turtles, CSN, and the Jefferson Starship) but I don't know that many would distinguish his work from that of any other drummer.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 16:50 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Joe Walsh is not a bad parallel, though his solo work is pretty well known (surely people would associate him with "Life's Been Good" as much as anything he did with the Eagles). I'd say the same of Michael McDonald.

As an instrumentalist, Belew is a good pick. So is Mitchell Froom. But once we start talking about instrumentalists, we get into the "great sidemen" topic--Steve Gadd, etc.--whereas I wanted to focus on people who were official band members.

The Mad Puffin, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 16:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

How about Nils Lofgren?

Not Thaat Chuck, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 16:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Joe Jackson?

yr mom (yr mom), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 17:00 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Dave Navarro seems to be the alt-rock equivalent of this a little bit....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 17:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

(although he's very recognizable, I imagine that's mostly due to his choice of hubby rather than his career)....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 17:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

winners = adrian belew, jeff beck, and nils lofgren.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 17:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Steve Winwood

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 17:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

to a lesser extent, steve vai and robert fripp.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 17:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Matt Cameron is kinda the Grunge Carrack (Skin Yard, Soundgarden, Wellwater Conspiracy, then late sub drummer for Pearl Jam)

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 17:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Not a lot of singers then.

Instrumentalists are likelier to band-hop. Like it or not, vocalists are more likely to personify a band and thus do less hopping. There are exceptions, of course, like Santana, but mostly, band and vocalist are closely linked in the public mind (you don't love or hate U2 without having your opinion of Bono figure heavily into it) for better or worse.

Successful vocalists tend to go solo, like McDonald and Morrissey, rather than entering other bands.

Winwood is a good comparison (though his solo work is now more well known than his work in bands).

The Mad Puffin, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 17:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

> Successful vocalists tend to go solo, like McDonald and Morrissey, rather than entering other bands.


John Waite did both ...

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 17:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The Pilgrim's Progress of John Wetton

Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 17:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Wasn't "Don't Shed A Tear" his big solo hit?

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 17:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The number of people who would think of him as "that 'tempted by the fruit of another' guy" > the number of people who would think of him as "that 'Don't Shed A Tear' guy."

The Mad Puffin, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 17:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Oh, you're right. I heard "Don't Shed A Tear" in the supermarket cereal aisle, and it was the first time I'd heard in years.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 18:00 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"i need you" was a nice song.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 18:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Mad Puffin - where does "that 'how long / has this been goin' on?' guy" fit in that spectrum?

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 26 May 2005 02:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I think it's "that 'Tempted' guy" > "that guy who was in Mike + the Mechanics" > "that 'how long has this been going on' guy," > "Paul Carrack," but I could be wrong.

Various subsectors of the population would have it differently; how much overlap would there be in a Venn diagram of Squeeze fans v. Ace fans v. Mike + the Mechanics fans?

The Mad Puffin, Thursday, 26 May 2005 11:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Okay, how about Clyde McPhatter? Dominoes, Drifters ("Money Honey"), solo career ("A Lover's Question") but very low name recognition.

Not Thaat Chuck, Thursday, 26 May 2005 12:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I wanna say Rick Derringer for some reason.

And maybe Dave Edmunds?

diedre mousedropping and a quarter (Dave225), Thursday, 26 May 2005 12:53 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I don't know if/how this compares to Carrack, but I was amazed to find out not long ago that one Tony Burrows is the lead vocalist for ALL of the following groups:

The Brotherhood of Man ('United We Stand')
White Plains ('My Baby Loves Loving')
Edison Lighthouse ('Love Grows Where My Rosemary Goes')
The Pipkins ('Gimme Dat Ding')
First Class ('Beach Baby')

Daniel Peterson (polkaholic), Thursday, 26 May 2005 13:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Rick Derringer is also a great comparison.

The Mad Puffin, Thursday, 26 May 2005 13:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Tony Burrows is not a patch on the pants of Ron Dante.

Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 26 May 2005 13:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Rick Derringer yes,
his best gig ever as a
sideman for Weird Al

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 26 May 2005 14:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Jason Falkner

Moosie Grosvenor (Arthur), Thursday, 26 May 2005 14:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"Famous only to those who read liner notes with care"

ouch!

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Thursday, 26 May 2005 15:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I was tempted (ehhh... pun SO not intended) to start a thread recently asking what Paul Carrack actually did in Squeeze. As far as I know, "Tempted" is the only popular Squeeze track that includes his vocals. If I'm wrong please correct me.

Also, anyone who owns 21 Good Reasons wouldn't have to read liner notes to associate his voice with those songs. Of course, when I first saw this CD, just like most other people I know, the first words out of my mouth were "he sang on THAT?"

billstevejim (billstevejim), Thursday, 26 May 2005 17:22 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Josephine Wiggs

Curt (cgould), Thursday, 26 May 2005 17:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Both of the "other" singers in LaBelle -- Nona Hendryx and Sarah Dash -- have enjoyed interesting career paths that have their voices all over several well-known recordings without achieving solo stardom, despite some great records by each. Hendryx (maybe both?) were on Alice Cooper's Muscle of Love, and all three sang on that Laura Nyro album. Both were part of the big Talking Heads touring band, and Dash became a full-time X-Pensive Wino and de facto Rolling Stone. You'd probably have to do some research to list all the hit records their voices have been on, and not always as back-ups, either.

brianiac (briania), Thursday, 26 May 2005 18:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I saw Nona Hendryx once at Summerstage in Central Park and let me tell you she put on one great show.

Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 26 May 2005 18:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Gregg Rolie?
Paul Rodgers?
Johnny Maestro?
Damon Albarn?

Sean Howe (seanmhowe), Thursday, 26 May 2005 18:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'll bet lots of people know Gail Ann Dorsey's work without knowing who she is. She's been a little too prominent (and her appearance a little too distinctive) to fade into the background as a studio whiz, but pretty under-the-radar as a rock star. She was in Gang of Four, played on huge hit records by The The and Tears for Fears, and has been seen by millions with Bowie (who always gives her a solo turn of some sort). She's also a big name with another audience due her work with persons like the Indigo Girls and Dar Williams. Her solo album Corporate World is great, too.

brianiac (briania), Thursday, 26 May 2005 18:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Anysly Dunbar

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 26 May 2005 18:36 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Nona Hendryx made some decent records with Bill Laswell and Material.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 26 May 2005 18:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Martha Wash?

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Thursday, 26 May 2005 21:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I heard a song in a store about...2 months ago. I didn't know the title of it, but I knew it was Paul Carrack. I vaguely remembered the song, but I found it completely and utterly IRRITATING. Even though I had heard it before, I now found it strangely, unbelievably IRRITATING, this song. More than any other piece of music I'd heard in a store until that moment, aside from maybe Whitney Houston's "I will always love you..."

So then I noticed this thread came up, and I was determined to find out what awful, awful song that really was that I heard that day: give it a name, right? And I have succeeded. It is Mike & The Mechanics "The Living Years" and I want to invite you all to the bonfire that is going to take place, we are going to burn every single copy of this song we can find. It's going to be a blast. Join me at the end of October.

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Friday, 27 May 2005 04:54 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Ooh, I saw Gail Ann Dorsey live about fifteen years ago. She was a bit lame, but yes, her name crops up all over the place.

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 27 May 2005 05:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

thirteen years pass...

On the masterful How Long, etc.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 July 2018 01:19 (two months ago) Permalink

Huh, apparently Carrack also played keys on The Smiths debut album. That's kinda like learning that Phil Collins played drums on Another Green World.

enochroot, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 15:17 (two months ago) Permalink

Is Jim Peterik one of these? How about Jim Messina?

Lee626, Thursday, 12 July 2018 07:39 (two months ago) Permalink


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