But I don't get how it's half-arsed. Haven't you read your Frankfurt School? CAPITALISM IS THE ENEMY. The Man is real and he is assimilating U2! The whole point is that Bono's 'hugeness' ambition is also awesome, and unfortunately the two principles are in conflict. That's part of what makes watching U2 fun--esp. around the time of "Achtung Baby" and "Pop."
― mrjosh (mrjosh), Monday, 23 May 2005 14:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― N_RQ, Monday, 23 May 2005 14:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 23 May 2005 14:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― mrjosh (mrjosh), Monday, 23 May 2005 14:35 (eighteen years ago) link
Taking Sides: Theodor Adorno vs Walter Benjamin
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 23 May 2005 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link
The surgeon general has determined that listening to progressive rock may lead to Alzheimer's, stroke or other dementias.
― George Smith, Monday, 23 May 2005 14:54 (eighteen years ago) link
In other words, I think it's fine when an artist chooses to let their work be used in a commercial, but if the artist chooses not to, I mean Jesus Christ, it's not like it's too hard to find ripoffs songs/artists. If you can't get the Killers, go with the Bravery, you know?
― Eppy (Eppy), Monday, 23 May 2005 15:20 (eighteen years ago) link
See, I'd rather it was Bon Jovi, like much much rather, since their songs are better and also they don't pose as though they were feckin' CULTURALLY RELEVANT, MAAAN like teh Bono.
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 23 May 2005 15:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 May 2005 15:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 23 May 2005 15:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 23 May 2005 15:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 23 May 2005 15:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 23 May 2005 15:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 23 May 2005 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 23 May 2005 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 23 May 2005 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 23 May 2005 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― mike a, Monday, 23 May 2005 16:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 23 May 2005 16:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 23 May 2005 16:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 23 May 2005 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link
"What [rock critics} basically want is for it to be like 1969 again. It 's this thing where British – or in U2's case, Irish – groups discover the roots of American music. U2 have discovered this and they're just doing pastiches [his voice rises] and it's reviewed as a serious thing because DYLAN PLAYS ORGAN on some song and B.B. King playso n some throwaway pop song "When Love Comes to Town" that could have been written by Andrew Lloyd Webber. It coudl bein Starlight Express if you ask me.
...We hate everything that they are and stand for. We hate it because it's totally stultifying, it says nothing, it is big and pompous and ugly. We hate it for exactly the same reasons Johnny Rotten said he hated dinosaur groups in 1976. To me U2 are a dinosaur group. They're saying nothing but they're pretending to be something. I think they're FAKE."
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 23 May 2005 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link
I would agree that this line of U2 crit made a lot more sense in 1989 than it does now.
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 23 May 2005 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 23 May 2005 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 23 May 2005 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 23 May 2005 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:08 (eighteen years ago) link
where, during this period, they were selling out stadiums, incidentally
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:14 (eighteen years ago) link
No, wait...
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link
Anthony Is, in fact, Right. But only because he ignores Achtung Baby, Zooropa, and Tennant's painfully rockist accusation of fakery.
U2 idolaters deserve an undending stream of scorn and mockery. The band and Bono still strike me as quite self-aware and often hilarious.
Usually I read the word "U2" in a headline as "Skip To Next Story," but I was prompted by this thread to actually read the interview. Bono comoes off as far more clearheaded than Kot, whose rockism he challenges in a way that, were he not Bono, many here might support.
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link
I wish. Cf. Madonna Studies.
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― TV's Mr Noodle Vague (noodle vague), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link
It combines any number of half-baked notions, including what appears to be some professional jealousy. I still wish that it were as OTM as this group's interpretation of it is.
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― TV's Mr Noodle Vague (noodle vague), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link
OTOH, "U2 sell themselves on their authenticity, but their authenticity is fake" strikes me as no less rockist than a straightforward fake=bad argument.
"Better my authentic fakery than their fake authenticity."
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:49 (eighteen years ago) link
Or maybe it's just me.
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― TV's Mr Noodle Vague (noodle vague), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:53 (eighteen years ago) link
Lol is that a recent quote?
― flappy bird, Sunday, 6 August 2017 20:33 (six years ago) link
no, from the article upthread
― starving street dogs of punk rock (Odysseus), Sunday, 6 August 2017 20:43 (six years ago) link