Is M.I.A. all I need by the Germs?

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Bobby Vanquez, Sunday, 22 May 2005 22:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Dan Regan to thread.

It's pretty much close to it at least. Germicide is a great document but an interesting disc, hm, depends. Media Blitz is scattershot.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 22 May 2005 22:51 (fourteen years ago) link

I thought this was going to be a thread about MIA's cooties.
So disappointed.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 22 May 2005 22:58 (fourteen years ago) link

I believe there are some songs on the What We Do Is Secret 12" that didn't make it onto MIA. Also there was a comp called Tooth & Nail that had a different version of Manimal.

That's about it apart from the live CDs Ned mentioned.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Monday, 23 May 2005 08:48 (fourteen years ago) link

"Waitress, we're the Germs, we want beer!"

Amon (eman), Monday, 23 May 2005 11:18 (fourteen years ago) link

No one needs anything by the Germs.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 23 May 2005 12:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh please. The Germs are great. Not as great as X, but then who is? (Alex comes to thread and gives a long list.)

nathalie's baby (stevie nixed), Monday, 23 May 2005 12:38 (fourteen years ago) link

there used to be a girl band from germany called "tic tac toe"

i know they released 2 albums - "tic tac toe" and "klappe die 2te" like 8-9 years ago

what's become of them now?

nique (nique), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 07:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Germs >>>> X

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 07:20 (fourteen years ago) link

there's a fucking awesome bootleg dvd making the rounds

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 16:06 (fourteen years ago) link

walter kranz OTM.
jfr: copy that dvd for me kthx

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 16:14 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm not at hacker level, yo.

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 16:18 (fourteen years ago) link

call zero cool.

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 16:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Come off it, Germs and X are not even comparable. X were like the Minutemen, part of the LA hardcore punk scene but musically peripheral to it. Germs might have been one of the earliest hardcore acts but were pretty tightly bound by the genre (along with some goth elements in the lyrics, sure)

666, Tuesday, 24 May 2005 16:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Correct me if I'm wrong, but X were not fronted by visionary madman.

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 16:49 (fourteen years ago) link

They were fronted by a couple of dorks. I kinda think you need "Germicide", Bobby.

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 16:54 (fourteen years ago) link

X are good and all (Los Angeles & Wild Gift anyway) but the Germs DESTROY. Darby Crash is probably the most quotable man in punk (a bold claim, and I don't want to argue about it.)

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 16:59 (fourteen years ago) link

That's lucky

John Lydon (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 17:04 (fourteen years ago) link

I agree John

Vic Godard (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 17:05 (fourteen years ago) link

There was no "L.A. hardcore scene" when the Germs were around. The original L.A. bands were very diverse and progressive--the Germs amongst them. If the Germs seem in retrospect to be "tightly bound" to the genre of hardcore, that's because they fricking invented it.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 17:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Sorry to almost-curse, but this is a punk thread.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 17:07 (fourteen years ago) link

mia is all you really need.

i want to know more about the boot dvd--is it the whiskey '79 one?

dan (dan), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 17:14 (fourteen years ago) link

Darby Crash is probably the most quotable man in punk (a bold claim, and I don't want to argue about it.)

OTM. Manimal, Lexicon Devil, Circle One, etc. -- Some of the best punk lyrics ever.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 17:36 (fourteen years ago) link

If the Germs seem in retrospect to be "tightly bound" to the genre of hardcore, that's because they fricking invented it.

Yeah I'd accept that--don't know myself what role Middle Class, Bags et al. played. My main point was that the musical styles were sufficiently different as to be unsuitable for comparison, but I guess I revealed by preferences by painting Germs as "genre-bound" and X as not, though could be categorized as a rock band, which is limited enough. (I became aware of the Germs when the hardcore scene was in its prime, and they were seen as canonical to it, so that colored my statement.)

You could say that the Germs' music was more productive, given the rash of hardcore bands, while I don't know of any X imitators.

666, Tuesday, 24 May 2005 17:52 (fourteen years ago) link

No one needs anything by the Germs.

-- pdf (newyorkisno...), May 23rd, 2005 9:34 AM.

One needs everything by the Germs.

Amon (eman), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 21:33 (fourteen years ago) link

the bootleg DVD has the concert that ends with Pat kicking a bouncer in the head, then Darby saying they have to leave now, but they do one more song instead. Darby calls a female fan a "tacky whore." Then there's a bunch of footage from local TV news reports on "punk violence" and then footage of mohawk-era Darby Crash Band. Then like way too much footage of the Avengers for no reason. There's a stack of them at Kims no duh.

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link

"while I don't know of any X imitators"

It would take some work to imitate Billy Zoom's guitar playing.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 00:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, I was gonna say. I'm not *the* biggest X fan in the world but holy hell, that dude -- that's something else, what he does.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 01:24 (fourteen years ago) link

No one needs anything by the Germs.

holy shit, you are miles beneath a sea of wrong.

I believe there are some songs on the What We Do Is Secret 12" that didn't make it onto MIA.

all of the songs are on MIA, don't know if they're the same versions though.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 02:14 (fourteen years ago) link

Pat Smear >>>> Billy Zoom.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 03:01 (fourteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Latest random spotting of a Germs T-shirt was somewhere in Venice. Italy, not California.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 17:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Maybe it was a shirt for some new Italian Prog band called "O"?

donut ferry (donut), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 19:40 (fourteen years ago) link

Nice. I am going to listen to this now.

Dr. Glen Y. Abreu (dr g), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 19:46 (fourteen years ago) link

so, one of my friends was driving by my old high school the other day(near downtown LA and featured in Donnie Darko, Marked for Death, and Boy Meets World, among others) and he sees they are shooting something, inquires, and finds out it's a Germs movie. Anybody else know anything about this? Seems fairly questionable, but whatever.

lizard infection 2k6, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 20:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Drew Daniel to thread.

Drew gave a fan-tastic paper at EMP about the Germs and the Germs movie, abstract follows:

HOW TO ACT LIKE DARBY CRASH
"In March of 2004 Los Angeles punk rock band The Germs played a reunion concert in conjunction with an attempt to sustain momentum on a beleaguered film project about the Germs, entitled 'What We Do Is Secret.' The concert had a perverse and telling sequence of events: first the actors playing the Germs in the film performed, and then the surviving members of the original lineup, Pat Smear, Don Bolles, and Lorna Doom, walked onstage and replaced them, with the actor Shane West remaining onstage and playing the role of Darby Crash as the reunited Germs performed around and against him. I am going to try to provide an exploded view of the aspirations, tensions, and impasses encapsulated in this particular moment of masquerade; I intend to read this concert, and the proposed film itself, as a symptom of the representational crisis engendered by Darby's suicide and the necessity/impossibility of mourning that it enforces, and as a particularly overdetermined site of conflict between punk rock, Hollywood, and history. I am specifically interested in how the discourse of authenticity and direct expression typically used to legitimate punk rock as a youth culture phenomenon runs up against its limits as it becomes translated through dramatic re-enactment, and in how such second-order simulations, far from simply betraying an original moment of truth, might help reveal and foreground certain performative dimensions already implicit within the culture they burlesque. As examples of that performative dimension specific to the Germs, I intend to discuss 'Germs burns' (a cigarette burn on the inner left wrist bestowed as an initiation into a fan community by members of the Germs or their inner circle of friends) as cases of what Freud termed 'the open wound' of melancholia, and also to talk about punk names and stage names in relation to Jan Paul Beahm's identity as Bobby Pyn / Darby Crash. "

carl w (carl w), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 21:08 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Something is seriously wrong here:

SUICIDAL TENDENCIES & THE GERMS
Dead Kennedys, Marky Ramone, Flipper
Grand Olympic Auditorium
Saturday, October 29th

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 September 2005 13:05 (fourteen years ago) link

did you find a flyer for this show laying near a wormhole?

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 23 September 2005 20:56 (fourteen years ago) link

five months pass...
I'm writing a capsule review for a bunch of albums, MIA included. I don't know what year to put it under. I don't want to put 1993 because the original album came out in the late 70s (79 I believe). Would it be accurate to list MIA as 1979? Or 1979/1993 maybe?

Pynball, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 18:35 (thirteen years ago) link

MIA did not come out in 1973. GI did. GI is one of the things on MIA. MIA is an anthology.

eek, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 18:55 (thirteen years ago) link

er, 1973? whoops. 79.

eek, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 18:56 (thirteen years ago) link

four years pass...

So the Live at the Starwood disc that came out documenting the Germs 'reunion'/last ever show before Darby ended it all is rough-sounding and legend-burnishing and all that. Still, great stuff.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 03:06 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

anybody else think Bad Religion musta been influenced by the Germs re: their occasional veering into minor keys for semi folksy bits...

Neanderthal, Monday, 18 July 2011 21:03 (eight years ago) link

They were both LA bands. Darby died the same year Bad Religion formed. I think it's safe to say there was some influence.

Don't think they sound much alike though.

polyphonic, Monday, 18 July 2011 21:19 (eight years ago) link

I don't, either, in terms of their overall characteristic sound, just think there might have been a little influence that lasted even beyond their early hardcore days....

Neanderthal, Monday, 18 July 2011 21:21 (eight years ago) link

I believe there are some songs on the What We Do Is Secret 12" that didn't make it onto MIA.

all of the songs are on MIA, don't know if they're the same versions though.
Can confirm my 6 year old vague guess via Discogs, there are 2 live tracks on What We Do Is Secret, the versions on MIA are from the GI LP.

Operation Pooting (Colonel Poo), Monday, 18 July 2011 21:27 (eight years ago) link

two years pass...

i don't know why i never checked out the germs, i probably read about them first in 'lipstick traces', maybe that just made them sound like a train wreck

but whatever the cause i think someone was seriously underselling darby crash as a frontman, because he is great

j., Monday, 7 April 2014 19:04 (five years ago) link

great, great lyricist as well, once I finally read the lyrics I was blown away cuz it's not like his delivery is very clear and I had never really understood them

sleeve, Monday, 7 April 2014 19:15 (five years ago) link

it is kinda funny that he wrote lyrics that clearly reflect an attention to detail and craft and then was like eh fuck it when it came to delivering them

pretty suURUEAUUAAAAAAAAHHHRRRRRRUUEUEERRWWWWWHHHYYYEEEEEGGGUUGHHHe you can't pull that kinda performance off w/o a little attention

j., Monday, 7 April 2014 19:19 (five years ago) link

four years pass...

Rumors on Twitter that Lorna Doom may have passed. No confirmation yet.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 23:03 (one year ago) link

Just saw it on fb (from the Carlos Nunez account).

nickn, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 23:06 (one year ago) link

Right, and this appears to be as close to confirmation as one can ask for, sadly.

R.I.P. Lorna Doom of the Germs

— Stella KXLU (@StellaKXLU) January 16, 2019

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 23:13 (one year ago) link

RIP

there's a fucking awesome bootleg dvd making the rounds

― The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Tuesday, May 24, 2005

YSI?

sleeve, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 23:32 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

Picked up a good copy of GI, what a perfect mess of a record

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 21:15 (two weeks ago) link

like X with Ray Manzarek, they were lucky to have a rock pro in their corner to ensure that they got good, competent, production that didn't try to defang them or change who they were, rare in those days

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 21:19 (two weeks ago) link

agree on both points (even if I kinda hate Manzarek)

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 21:20 (two weeks ago) link


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