The Rollins Band, C/D, S/D

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For some reason last night, I got "Liar" stuck in my head. Bought Weight back in the day when the Rollins Band seemed to be everywhere and enjoyed it immensely for a few months before getting bored and selling it.

I guess I'm starting this thread because while the band has continued to make records, no-one seems to review or talk about them. Am I right? Are the later records any good, or is it all just self-indulgent pap?

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't heard the last studio album, but you do know that there was a total lineup change after the 1997 album Come In And Burn, right? He replaced the crazed jazz-metal lineup he had with a trio of blooze-rockers from L.A. Thus, the music he's making now is much more stripped-down, basic hard rock. If you like that sort of thing, they're pretty good at it. His lyrics are what they are. They meant a lot more to me at 19 than they do now.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked Hard quite a bit at the time, but it hasn't aged especially well for me. End of Silence and Weight had their moments, but in retrospect are rather lacking in actual tunes.

Anyone remember Wartime?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Suspect I won't get much support in this, but I really enjoyed both 'Get Some, Go Again' and 'Nice', the records he did with Mother Superior as the Rollins Band. Played both of them to death. 70's proto metal sound, tight punky tunes, bilious mid-life ranting from Hank. Addictive stuff.

Soukesian, Friday, 20 May 2005 16:17 (eighteen years ago) link

There was a thread some time back about mid-life crisis albums, and it occurred to me at the time that you couldn't come up with a better example than 'Get Some, Go Again': Rollins, staring down the barrel of forty, does a record with a bunch of kids half his age that sounds like the kind of hard rock he grew up listening to. Scott Gorham guests on a version of Thin Lizzy's 'Are You Ready?', Wayne Kramer is also along for the ride. A lot of lyrical content relates to the effects of aging process on Rollins and his contemporaries: "G'wan BURN OUT!" It's great stuff, though I don't know if any of it would mean as much to anyone not going through the same age thing at the same time.

Incidentally, there is a long Rollins rant on one of these records about some washed up glam metal star then working in a video store: could this be anything to do with the Motley Crue guy who got the same back tattoo as Rollins?

Soukesian, Friday, 20 May 2005 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The Mother Superior version of Rollins Band have split up now too - he's planning to get a new line-up together with Chris Haskett for the next record, should there be one

kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 20 May 2005 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link

washed-up glam metal stars working menial jobs are a common trope in his stand-up and books (the areas of work that I pay attention to), it's not surprising that they'd turn up in the music as well. but I think it's merely a result of living in LA and seeing washed-up glam metal stars working menial jobs on the regular, rather than any possible Crue-related bitterness being vented.

kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 20 May 2005 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Man - I wish seeing washed-up glam metal stars working menial jobs was a regular thing around here!

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 20 May 2005 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked Hard quite a bit at the time, but it hasn't aged especially well for me. End of Silence and Weight had their moments, but in retrospect are rather lacking in actual tunes.

Yes, but you don't go calling on Rollins when you're looking for tunes. Or subtlety for that matter. That said, End of Silence was a pivotal record for me, the one that took me away from early '90's chart-indie and into pastures unknown. So, for me, Classic even though I haven't listened to it for a few years and I just know that I'm not going to love it like my 15/16-year old self did. So it's probably best to stick with the memories. Damn good live, too.

Ben Dot (1977), Saturday, 21 May 2005 23:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Rollins Band all in tuxes, doing "Liar" on the Grammys (Hank was barefoot): Classic.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 21 May 2005 23:19 (eighteen years ago) link

If you get the "Hot Animal Machine" CD that includes the "Drive By Shooting" EP, I think that's enough Rollins for you...especially if you want to hear him cover Wire (Ex-Lion Tamer), the Velvet Underground (Move Right In), and Suicide (Ghost Rider).

John Justen (johnjusten), Saturday, 21 May 2005 23:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I was a fan of End of Silence when I was 15/16 as well. People I thought were cool were really into it. Probably the influence of HR made them more arrogant and judgmental than they already were, and that's saying something!

daria g (daria g), Sunday, 22 May 2005 01:02 (eighteen years ago) link

THE END OF SILENCE is where it's at. Though the one before it was pretty good too - Weight?

I haven't played either in about 8 years, though.

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Sunday, 22 May 2005 01:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Low Self Opinion (from The End of Silence) is an absolutely fantastic song.

And its video gave rise to some classic Beavis and Butthead dialogue, along the lines of 'Woah! his neck rules!'.

M Carty (mj_c), Sunday, 22 May 2005 10:54 (eighteen years ago) link

There's a 2 disc British release that has "Hot Animal Machine," the "Drive By Shooting" EP, "Lifetime," and the "Do It" EP. In my opinion, this is the only Rollins worth listening to, and it's all great.

I'm shocked no one has mentioned "Lifetime," a record that is incredible and hilarious at the same time. It's produced by Ian MacKaye, Hank's voice is superhuman in its strength, and the band is solid and tight, playing preposterous heavy metal with lots of hardcore power.

Usual Channels, Sunday, 22 May 2005 13:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Life Time and Hard Volume are both great. Try to find the old out-of-print CD version of Hard Volume that has "Joy Riding With Frank" as a bonus track; it's a 40-minute track that starts out as a cover of "Move Right In" and goes into some kind of preposterous go-go/metal jam thing, finally winding its way back to the VU song.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 22 May 2005 14:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, "Joy Riding with Frank" is great....forgot about that one.

Pardon my ignorance, but who originally wrote/performed "Move Right In"?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 22 May 2005 14:44 (eighteen years ago) link

It's a Velvet Underground song (they called it "I'm Gonna Move Right In," and it's on Another View).

pdf (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 22 May 2005 14:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Ah, didn't know that. Must check that out. Cheers, pdf!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 22 May 2005 15:03 (eighteen years ago) link

'Lifetime' is a total classic, of course. Played it constantly in the year it came out, I personally prefer it to the superheavy jams that came later.

The Rollins version of 'Do it' is terrific. Pink Fairies number, I believe?

Soukesian, Sunday, 22 May 2005 15:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I've heard VU (don't own a copy right now) and I never made the connection. That's awesome! Can't wait to hear the original (the Rollins version on "Do It" is such a good time...).

Usual Channels, Sunday, 22 May 2005 15:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Low Self Opinion (from The End of Silence) is an absolutely fantastic song.

I THINK YOU GOT A LOW SELF OPINION, MAN..

hah. So classic. Weight came out a couple years later (1994), I remember suddenly getting sick of them once "Liar" got to be so damn popular.

daria g (daria g), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Frankly, I'm surprised by the absence of haters on this thread

But I ain't one of 'em so carry on

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Sunday, 22 May 2005 21:13 (eighteen years ago) link

ten months pass...
Are they back together?

April 1st isn't today, so... ?

StanM (StanM), Friday, 31 March 2006 09:07 (eighteen years ago) link

The diary entry where he mentioned this. Cain/Haskett/Gibbs and Theo van Rock!

StanM (StanM), Friday, 31 March 2006 09:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha - April 1, I thought you meant this:
http://www.ifc.com/henry/

Dave AKA Dave (dave225.3), Friday, 31 March 2006 11:50 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

I was just listening to Hot Animal Machine for the first time and was quite surprised how good it is! I probably like this better than some of the late Black Flag stuff.

Colonel Poo, Saturday, 20 October 2007 00:55 (sixteen years ago) link

Still playing those Mother Superior discs on a regular basis - must pick up the extended session recordings.

Soukesian, Saturday, 20 October 2007 11:55 (sixteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Dunno what record, but someone had one of these on in the van and it sounded gooood. Should I be buying a record?

"I get through more mojitos.." (bear, bear, bear), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 23:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Yes. Hank has two basic speeds: Heavy and grinding, or fast'n'rockin'. If you can remember which setting, or any lyrics, we should be able to clue you in.

Soukesian, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 23:47 (fourteen years ago) link

'end of silence' is intense, in a great way, and is his best i reckon

WILLIM GARLOS CILLIAMS (stevie), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 08:08 (fourteen years ago) link

seconded... great album, that. some amazing tunes on side 1 (LSO, obscene and almost real in particular), and side 2 is just 100% punishment.

rollins band is oretty underrated, imo. the intensity of the classic haskett/cain lineup obviously stomps all over the mother superior period, but even those slightly queasy cock-rock albums have some fantastic tracks.

has rollins totally quit music now? the last time I saw him play was years ago, on the west memphis 3 black flag tour.

m the g, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 08:51 (fourteen years ago) link

i think he has, for now at least. he's made comments that he feels too old to be rockin, and seems busy enough with his books, spoken word shows and TV work...

WILLIM GARLOS CILLIAMS (stevie), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 08:58 (fourteen years ago) link

I prefer the rock'n'roll side of Hank's work. Personal favorites are 'Life Time' and 'Get Some, Go Again', both of which saw me through tough times.

I wouldn't describe the Mother Superior albums as cock-rock. I associate that with Whitesnake et al, and the sound is more early/proto metal, as evidenced by guest shots from Wayne Kramer and Scott Gorham.

Soukesian, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 16:37 (fourteen years ago) link

End of Silence was a seminal record for me, though I haven't listened to it in many years at this point. I wonder if it's held up.

Also, the early RB stuff doesn't get enough credit... Life Time and Hard Volume are both terrific records. Also, the live album Turned On is an absolute classic. It's the only album that has the track "Out There," which is among the best the original lineup ever did.

The intensity of Rollins in this period, in songs like "Out There" and "Down and Away" and of course "Gun in Mouth Blues"... it just goes way deeper than anything he was doing with Black Flag, just in terms of raw, ugly emotion. There's some truly dark shit going on in the early stuff.

scott pgwp (pgwp), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 17:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, I don't know if a recorded version of "Out There" would have really captured it, though - I saw him play a set at City Gardens in Trenton, NJ in about 1990, a benefit for something or other with Alice Donut and Tesco Vee's Hate Police, and they did a version of "Out There" that was almost Swans-like in its intensity.

neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 17:48 (fourteen years ago) link

I wouldn't describe the Mother Superior albums as cock-rock. I associate that with Whitesnake et al, and the sound is more early/proto metal, as evidenced by guest shots from Wayne Kramer and Scott Gorham.

yeah, I was being slightly facetious... it's just that those albums rock in a 'strutting arena peacock' kind of way, as opposed to a 'drinking black coffee, crying into your journal and doing pressups' way. it's something rollins plays up to, too, what with the naked woman and leather trews on the 'nice' album cover.

m the g, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 17:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Dunno what record, but someone had one of these on in the van and it sounded gooood. Should I be buying a record?

Most everything that's in print is (US) $5 at his online shop right now, so there's probably no better time to try.

Santa Boars (winshit@burgerfuel.co.nz) (sic), Thursday, 3 December 2009 04:28 (fourteen years ago) link

five months pass...

decided to listen to WEIGHT for the first time since the late 90s. forget how it actually shreds. also lyrics:

you gotta have a gun then you're just another pig to me
you think you're different but you're just another pig
you gotta have a gun, you're a pig to me, just a pig to me
you gotta have a gun, you're just another pig to me
you got a gun, you're just another pig

wilter, Friday, 21 May 2010 14:35 (thirteen years ago) link

ahhh *forgot not forget.

wilter, Friday, 21 May 2010 14:38 (thirteen years ago) link

I get excited by Hot Animal Machine, Henrietta Collins & the Wifebeating Childhaters, Do It! [Pink Fairies cover! Always a sign of the coolness.], Life Time, Hard Volume. The shows during this era were amazing spectacles & probably the loudest shows I ever heard. After that they were OK, but not as perfect for me. Henry is an amazing guy. Tons o' respect.

ImprovSpirit, Friday, 21 May 2010 14:53 (thirteen years ago) link

word

wilter, Friday, 21 May 2010 14:56 (thirteen years ago) link

"get excited by Hot Animal Machine"

yeah, so underrated!

Zeno, Friday, 21 May 2010 15:00 (thirteen years ago) link

just jamming 'gun in mouth blues'. A++++++++++++

wilter, Friday, 21 May 2010 15:03 (thirteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAZQ9qQDotg

: (

wilter, Friday, 21 May 2010 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link

five years pass...
two years pass...

man this band is too much

bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 22:05 (six years ago) link

"TOO...MUUUCCCHHH!!!!"

If Haskett was a more interesting soloist they would have been the best band that ever was. To me, anyway.

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 22:32 (six years ago) link

Got to catch the Rollins Band twice as an opening act back in the 90s in front of Jane's Addiction and the Beastie Boys. They were great, especially the drummer Sim Cain.

Something that occurred to me that I was curious about was if the Rollins Band ever played a gig with Fugazi? Considering the connections, I was wondering if they ever shared a bill.

earlnash, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 23:40 (six years ago) link

Saw 'em three times with the original lineup between '90-'92 (once at CBGB, once at City Gardens in Trenton, and once at Lollapalooza), and once in '97 or so at Irving Plaza, with the Mother Superior lineup. Never saw them with Melvin Gibbs on bass; wish I had. I listened to them A LOT between '89-'95 or so; I kinda gave up after Weight, though there are a few good songs on Come In And Burn.

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 01:31 (six years ago) link

Saw them at Reading in 1994 with the Melvin Gibbs band. They were immense. Volume 4 off Weight is generally my go to track.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 12:18 (six years ago) link

Vol 4 off Weight is brilliant (as is the riff to Civilised), but as that album progresses you can literally hear them becoming less and less compelling. End Of Silence is an absolutely electrifying text, to me, and Weight's brightest moments like the last sparks of greatness, followed by an almighty pointlessness.

"Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 13:53 (six years ago) link

I was mad obsessed with them circa End of Silence and all the records up to that one (I've heard Turned On roughly 1 billion times) but even by the time Weight had come out the sheen had worn off some. Weighting, the outtakes/jams record is pretty great, with Charles Gayle of all people sitting in, he's actually a perfect fit for them.

Come In and Burn I've never really spent much time with.

Some guys I played with we did "Low Self Opinion" and "Tearing" for a friend's birthday party one time and as cool as though songs are I had forgotten HOW LONG they are, "Tearing" is like 5 minutes. When we were learning them it was like "oh my god another instrumental section? jesus christ get there faster!"

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:59 (six years ago) link

four years pass...

Just played a Rollins Band track on a whim, first time I've heard them in about three decades, and...it sounds like Van Halen! Albeit with shoutier vocals. Why didn't I notice this first time around? Was it deliberate on their part?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=124h159Xcd0

pick the mouse that can reach all the cheese in the maze (Matt #2), Thursday, 13 October 2022 14:27 (one year ago) link

I listened to Life Time, Hard Volume and The End of Silence earlier this week myself, writing retrospective reviews for the Shfl. They really were an amazing band; Haskett gets my vote as most underrated rock guitarist of the late '80s/early '90s. He had this virtuosic punk/metal/fusion/noise thing going on that nobody else came close to, a kind of postmodern shredder.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 13 October 2022 14:32 (one year ago) link

The first two aren't on streaming services for some reason, though. I wonder who has the rights at this point.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 13 October 2022 14:33 (one year ago) link

End Of Silence is sublime. The perfect distillation of Rollins' oceanic rage.

bible fumes (stevie), Thursday, 13 October 2022 14:41 (one year ago) link


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