― Michael Bourke, Wednesday, 14 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
ON THE OTHER HAND, i've been listening to the flying burrito brothers
and i largely love most of what i've heard from them. parsons's voice
works much better in tandem with another singer and the songs
represent the best fusion of country and rock *I'VE* ever heard, at
the very least.
so, parsons solo = dud, but search: flying burrito brothers.
― fred solinger, Wednesday, 14 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
Anyone know if Emmylou Harris did anything else of worth after Gram
― Otis Wheeler, Wednesday, 14 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Omar, Wednesday, 14 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Nicole, Wednesday, 14 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
Otis - That song about the freak "on the weed" ("Hippie Boy") was a
parody of "The Funeral", one of Hank Williams' old Luke The Drifter
recitations - the original was about a preacher whose "Ethiopian face
showed the wisdom and ignorance of a crushed, undying race" (hey, I
didn't write it!). Chris Hillman just describes the kid in "Hippie
Boy" in a similar fashion - it didn't stop the Burrito Brothers from
being freaks themselves, through and through (or so I suspect). As for
Emmylou, I've heard a 70s best-of that's pretty but bland, but you
might like Wrecking Ball if you can stand Daniel Lanois' production
style - all the songs are verrrrry slow, but there are some good
― Patrick, Thursday, 15 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
He ruined the Byrds too - although I guess it's ultimately McGuinn's
fault for letting in turds like Skip Battin afterwards.
― Dr. C, Thursday, 15 March 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Charley Scott, Thursday, 14 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Johnathan, Sunday, 17 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jon Xavier, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link
The a friend sent me a compilation cd of his favourite ever tracks
and I thought, what the hell is that country shite doing on here
BUT . . . the more I heard it, the more i thought, hmmmm there's
something here - I mean 'callico bonnett'!!! - but, still . . .
Then another friend lent me the tribute album. No guys, listen to
this, and then try and tell me that the man couldn't write a song
with a tune - jesus, the whole album is full of killer songs, songs
to rip ya heart out. Now, maybe, just maybe, it takes another artist
to bring the tunes out but I am amazed at the complexity and shade
that Parsons managed to convey into what are supposedly simple
country tunes - listen to 'She' by Chrissie Hynde or Evan
Dando's '$1000 wedding' - Hot Burrito the Mavericks - Juanita Sheryl
Crow - listen to the hook on Sleepless Nights - I tell ya my kids are
only in their teenage years and that wacky hook is driving them mad -
and finally Ryan Adams - can't stand his solo stuff but this version
of Song For You with Whiskeytown, wow.
Sorry guys, but if you can't get it after listening to this album
then the problem is yours - the dude had so much soul.
― Gavin King, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link
And if you think it's "too country," maybe you should start off with Willie Nelson's "Red Headed Stranger" then Johnny Cash's last four albums. By the time you've wiped the drool off your chin, you'll be a country fan--proud of your Hank Williams record collection. Then give Gram Parsons another try.
― Trey Shiver, Saturday, 4 January 2003 04:55 (sixteen years ago) link
― Andrew L (Andrew L), Saturday, 4 January 2003 10:06 (sixteen years ago) link
That quote from some guy about Parsons "ruining the Byrds" is hilarious as well. I mean, you might as well say you just hate country. McGuinn totally wanted to go that direction, Parsons just helped him along. But whatever, guy obviously uninformed/too-lazy to give a shit.
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 4 January 2003 10:22 (sixteen years ago) link
And yet: he was the one who wrote the songs, quite a few key songs; maybe he knew something important after all.
― the gramfox, Saturday, 4 September 2004 09:36 (fourteen years ago) link
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 4 September 2004 15:50 (fourteen years ago) link
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Saturday, 4 September 2004 15:52 (fourteen years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 4 September 2004 23:42 (fourteen years ago) link
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 5 September 2004 02:43 (fourteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Sunday, 5 September 2004 10:28 (fourteen years ago) link
― Out Of My Fruit Tree, Saturday, 11 September 2004 22:57 (fourteen years ago) link
Having said that, I do not think he is THEE founding father of country rock, alt-country, no depression, etc. And it is here that I wish Parson's legacy be cut down a little. So many great country, folk, bluegrass, psych, rock hybrids came out from '66 to '73. First, I ask anybody into country rock to PLEASE, PLEASE listen to Sir Douglas Quintet's Mendocino LP, as well as others. Doug Sahm had a real vision for fusing garage to country to psych -- great songwriter, interpreter and singer. He seems to be just as big an influence on Uncle Tupelo-Wilco as Parsons. The Everly Brothers Roots LP is a masterpiece psych-country-rock masterpiece. I really, really think this is a special record. Furthermore, pick-up the Warner Brothers' collection of the Everly's 60s material, I like it even better than the 50s stuff. Moby Grape's debut and Skip Spence's Oar can both be considered radical fusions of rock, country, folk and psych. Third, the Beau Brummel's Bradley's Barn LP from '68 is a totally unique country-rock-pop hybrid. Waylon Jennings, before his outlaw image, made a handful of flawed records that contained some great countrified Buddy Holly-type pop tunes. (He was Holly's bass player on the tour that killed him.) Now this might upset a few, but I find the Dead's Workingman's Dead and American Beuty as enjoyable and satisfying as any Parsons record from the same time. The Band's Music from the Big Pink and self-titled second record both possess real country-rock milestones As does the six-volume bootleg set of the Basement Tapes. Hell, what about Dylan's Nashville Skyline and John Wesley Harding? The former being way more country than the latter. Jerry Lee Lewis' country output from the early to mid-60s is more country but Lewis is putting some old-time rock muscle behind it. The Downliners Sect made a crazy country folk garage album in like '65. Killer. Anybody heard the Kaliedescope from 60s San Francisco? Some of their stuff is prime dreamy country-tinged psych-folk. Hell, we also need to touch on Byrds LA: Dillards, Linda Ronstadt, Gene Clark, etc. Some fine country-rock to be had in there. I gotta stop typing...
― Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Sunday, 12 September 2004 01:33 (fourteen years ago) link
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 12 September 2004 04:44 (fourteen years ago) link
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Sunday, 12 September 2004 04:45 (fourteen years ago) link
have we discussed that live 2-cd thing on amoeba?
― amateurist, Sunday, 6 January 2008 23:50 (eleven years ago) link
i think i mentioned it on another thread, but nobody had heard it yet -- including me. However, I got it last week and think it's nice -- super ragged, for sure, but if you dig the burrito bros. it's essential. in fact, i find it pretty weird that it's marketed as a "gram parsons" set "featuring" the burritos. As Gram has gained more and more notoriety over the years, it seems like people forget that they were a band -- chris hillman and sneaky pete contribute as much to the sound as Parsons does. on these live sets, the psychedelic pedal steel is often the star of the show. anyway, nitpicking -- just glad this got released really. perhaps the most amazing thing is just how clunky a drummer michael clarke is -- not really news to anyone who's heard Byrds records, but it is kind of remarkable. he totally loses the plot on one of the hot burriton no. 2s here. Still, it ends up being a bit more endearing than annoying.
― tylerw, Monday, 7 January 2008 00:22 (eleven years ago) link
He ruined the Byrds too - although I guess it's ultimately McGuinn's fault for letting in turds like Skip Battin afterwards.
Or is it Rog's fault for being so directionless at that stage that he would actually let Gram (or anyone) take over the Byrds? And then wipe his vocals off?!
Then appear on the 700 Club? Just who is the turd?
Gram is fucking beyond classic!
― Saxby D. Elder, Monday, 7 January 2008 04:01 (eleven years ago) link
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 7 January 2008 04:53 (eleven years ago) link
um, yes... Roger appeared on the 700 Club about 7 years ago, causing a huge controversy amongst the Byrds usenet group, in which he used to regularly participate. There was enough bad blood stirred up to cause him to "leave" alt.music.byrds.
― Saxby D. Elder, Monday, 7 January 2008 07:15 (eleven years ago) link
I don't care what they may say
I don't know what they may do
I don't care what they may say
Jesus is just alright oh yea
Jesus is just alright
― gershy, Monday, 7 January 2008 07:32 (eleven years ago) link
yeah the live recordings are pretty ragged, and some of the instrumentation is almost inaudible. and the packaging--i can barely get the discs out of the sleeves. but given the paucity of burrito bros material (and yeah it's unfortunate this was billed as a "gram parsons" release) it's quite a find.
― amateurist, Monday, 7 January 2008 08:37 (eleven years ago) link
wow, total classic. i'm just listening to a mix of gram parsons stuff a friend sent me, this is all pretty amazing. never really gave him a listen before.
― Mark Clemente, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:42 (eleven years ago) link
Jesus is just alright
haha, yes, I didn't die of shock at the 700 Club thing either and in fact, I was one of the few regulars in the newsgroup to support him on it. (this was more like 10 years ago actually, more I think about it).
The last time I had seen him was in the gym in a high school in Edison, NJ so i kind of felt that if he has a chance to be on TV, he should really jump on it no matter what. I shouldn't have implied that I was that bothered about the 700 Club thing because I wasn't-- although looking back, it ain't exactly a feather in his cap.
I am a bit of a Roger "revisionist" though and as much as I love Rog (and first got the thrill of meeting him when I was a teenager in 1978 at a quite ipromptu radio session, where we all crammed into the booth to sing along on "You Ain't Goin' Nowhere"), I do have several reservations about it, not the least of which was his luring Gram away from LHI to front the Byrds and then wiping his vocals off the tape, only for them to appear long after he was dead. I think that this was cowardly, somewhat typical of Roger's calculated behavior both past and future, and that it is quite pathetic to invite someone in to front your band just a few short years after you started it (setting aside the issue that you had already forced out the lead singer and main songwriter whose genius you hadn't properly appreciated).
But yeah, Jesus is just alright w me too...
― Saxby D. Elder, Thursday, 10 January 2008 19:01 (eleven years ago) link
Someone please, please, please explain to me why most people prefer Grievous Angel over GP. I like Grievous Angel, but GP is one of the 20 greatest albums ever written.
― Reatards Unite, Saturday, 6 December 2008 21:14 (ten years ago) link
I like me some International Submarine Band.
― Hinklepicker, Saturday, 6 December 2008 21:19 (ten years ago) link
i like sweetheart of the rodeo
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 6 December 2008 21:19 (ten years ago) link
I have it on excellent authority that when I was four years old my favorite records were Sweetheart of the Rodeo and John Wesley Harding.
― Passenger 57 (rogermexico.), Saturday, 6 December 2008 22:43 (ten years ago) link
i think the grievous angel love is probably colored by the title track (because who doesn't love it?). and also maybe just its retroactive aura of impending doom. but i totally agree that gp is superior.
― tipsy mothra, Saturday, 6 December 2008 22:46 (ten years ago) link
the burritos live disc that came out a while back on amoeba is worth getting, but who the fuck decided on the billing, jeez
― velko, Saturday, 6 December 2008 22:47 (ten years ago) link
Hot Burrito nr 2 is my favourite song of the moment FUCK. such an awesome song. cant listen to the whole album all the way through as i am not a country girl at heart.
― Nathalie (stevienixed), Saturday, 14 February 2009 20:56 (ten years ago) link
i can't get w/ people who would say 'dud'
― mark cl, Friday, 8 May 2009 04:14 (ten years ago) link
so classic it hurts
gram's the king of heartbreak
― mark cl, Friday, 8 May 2009 04:15 (ten years ago) link
whatever that means
a grand piano made entirely of smack
― butt-rock miyagi (rogermexico.), Friday, 8 May 2009 04:27 (ten years ago) link
this old earthquake's gonna leave me in the poor house
― mark cl, Friday, 8 May 2009 05:00 (ten years ago) link
sin city is the best song i've listened to all year
<3 his cover of "to love somebody" so much...
― (*ﾟーﾟ)θ L(。･＿･) °~ヾ(･ε･ *) (Steve Shasta), Friday, 8 May 2009 07:01 (ten years ago) link
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― mark cl, Thursday, May 7, 2009 11:14 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
word, esp the first part
― i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Friday, 8 May 2009 07:09 (ten years ago) link
Dud. I have FBB's'Gilded Palace...' and the one after it on a single CD, and well, I don't know, it's just too *country* for me. The press would have us believe all this stuff about creating a 'New American Music'. These two albums contain some fairly pleasant country-rock, but there is such a high percentage of the worst kind of trad, mawkish old country in there too, that this claim seems absurd.He ruined the Byrds too - although I guess it's ultimately McGuinn's fault for letting in turds like Skip Battin afterwards.― Dr. C, Wednesday, March 14, 2001 7:00 PM (8 years ago) Bookmark
― Dr. C, Wednesday, March 14, 2001 7:00 PM (8 years ago) Bookmark
fuck you imo
― i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Friday, 8 May 2009 07:10 (ten years ago) link
the back-to-back jams of still feeling blue & we'll sweep out the ashes do it for me every time
― mark cl, Friday, 5 June 2009 12:58 (ten years ago) link
hoos listen to 'sin city'
or 'return of the grevious angel' god this guy is so good
so guys gp or grevious angel? i think i like gp. what i really like tho is the 2-disc sacred hearts anthology that basically has both these albums + all kinds of stuff from ISB/byrds/FBB
― mark cl, Friday, 5 June 2009 13:00 (ten years ago) link
^^^OTMBest present I got last year (thank u gf). Want a Nudie suit (gf protests).
― willem, Friday, 5 June 2009 13:37 (ten years ago) link
haha me too
― mark cl, Friday, 5 June 2009 13:41 (ten years ago) link
I checked out this guy's records from the library and was surprised by how shitty they were. I was led to believe that this guy was some kind of genius.
― Jesus Christ, Attorney at Law (res), Friday, 5 June 2009 13:41 (ten years ago) link
wife says i play too much gram parsons
do u like country music? xp
― mark cl, Friday, 5 June 2009 13:42 (ten years ago) link
anyways so i've also been reading 'twenty thousand roads' by david meyer, prob the most detailed bio of gram that i've come across (tho i know there are others out there). really fascinating book. guy has an irrational hatred for the eagles (then again i suppose most people do) and has a few quirks but all in all it's a really interesting and entertaining read. especially enjoyed the nellcote/stones stuff during the recording of 'exile'
― mark cl, Friday, 5 June 2009 13:46 (ten years ago) link
through tons of interviews what meyer conveys so well is the effect gp had on everyone around him - so many people were like 'yea i didn't really think much about country music, thought it was mostly for hicks until gram sat me down and played me a bunch of songs'
― mark cl, Friday, 5 June 2009 13:48 (ten years ago) link
*checks amazon*ooh, might want to get that. i'm not that familiar with gp apart from the musics
― willem, Friday, 5 June 2009 13:50 (ten years ago) link
like a lot of musician bios i never read them start to finish - i just bounce around and pick up chapters here and there, but it's really good. there's also a big section in that back w/ a suggested discography of country records gram loved, albums by his contemporaries, and later bands that were influenced by him
― mark cl, Friday, 5 June 2009 13:52 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, I do actually-- well, the old stuff. Not whatever passes for country these days.
― Jesus Christ, Attorney at Law (res), Friday, 5 June 2009 13:54 (ten years ago) link
what didn't u like about parsons?
― mark cl, Friday, 5 June 2009 13:55 (ten years ago) link
yeah i enjoyed that book a lot, tho my major takeaway was that gram had a totally weird and fucked up life.
― hugging used to mean something (call all destroyer), Friday, 5 June 2009 14:02 (ten years ago) link
this is true
― mark cl, Friday, 5 June 2009 14:04 (ten years ago) link
I can't really get into Parsons because what I've heard sounds like some rich kid who stumbled upon country music and wanted to adopt it.
― Kerm, Friday, 5 June 2009 14:45 (ten years ago) link
ha u get that from his music or from reading that he came from a rich family?
― mark cl, Friday, 5 June 2009 14:59 (ten years ago) link
b/c i don't really know how someone could tell from listening any particular song that he came from wealth
more "steeped in" than "stumbled upon" imo
― hugging used to mean something (call all destroyer), Friday, 5 June 2009 14:59 (ten years ago) link
Something about the guy's music sounds makes me think of posturing-- mimicry and affectation. This is also true of the Rolling Stones, but for reasons I can't really articulate, I can let them slide.
― Jesus Christ, Attorney at Law (res), Friday, 5 June 2009 15:04 (ten years ago) link
this prob gets way into issues of authenticity that go over my head but imo musicians we often think of as 'authentic' wrt to any type of music (and perhaps ESPECIALLY country music in this case) there are all kinds of mimicry and affectation.
even hank williams who people might take as the prime example of a'pure' authentic classic country music was a PERFORMER, who's borrowing from a tradition and emulating aspects of that tradition, mimicking it, using affectation
authenticity is a messy business imo and i don't necessarily have the theoretical savvy to unpack it, but i do know it's messy. stones affected and mimicked and borrowed like crazy but i would never say they're not an authentic rock n roll band
― mark cl, Friday, 5 June 2009 15:14 (ten years ago) link
I don't care that he actually was rich kid who stumbled upon country, but sounding like one is a dealbreaker. If he'd made it past 30, who knows.
― Kerm, Friday, 5 June 2009 15:17 (ten years ago) link
like i said i don't know how u can glean from his actual songs that he's a rich kid?
― mark cl, Friday, 5 June 2009 15:20 (ten years ago) link
He sounds like a wuss so I blame the money.
― Kerm, Friday, 5 June 2009 15:24 (ten years ago) link
well yea i guess. gp wasn't a hardman country singer, nor was that what he was trying to be obv
― mark cl, Friday, 5 June 2009 15:42 (ten years ago) link
― Kerm, Friday, 5 June 2009 15:45 (ten years ago) link
He sounds like he's going through puberty all the time. With a backing singer he's often forgivable but anything he's flying solo on sounds like a fourteen-year-old's demo recordings. Oh, oh, he sure couldn't sing. Now his writing, on the other hand... "$1000 Wedding" and "Sin City" alone would place him in the history books, and there's any number of good songs that in other mouths are devastating. But as a performer, overrated: essential for those who think Costello's "Almost Blue" is an essential album. For all the genre-hopper mythology it all sounds just so straight, so suburban. Maybe if he didn't have some "cosmic vision" to play out and he'd just let himself bring it instead of approaching it like a religious convert who needs to convert the rest of us heathens. And to play him out as the sole father of country-rock? Just wrong. Buck Owens, for example, both rocked harder and was more authentically country than at least three Gram Parsonses put together. But Buck didn't party with the Stones and overdose himself while he still had his baby fat, so he doesn't get the posthumous girl.
― staggerlee, Sunday, 7 June 2009 03:35 (ten years ago) link
Whatever all that's supposed to mean.
― staggerlee, Sunday, 7 June 2009 03:36 (ten years ago) link
staggerlee = chris hillman sock
― ♪☺♫☻ (gr8080)(gr8080)♪☺♫☻ (velko), Sunday, 7 June 2009 03:40 (ten years ago) link
yeah, that's the kind of paragraph you stumble upon years later and realize how completely naive and off the mark you were.
― (*ﾟーﾟ)θ L(。･＿･) °~ヾ(･ε･ *) (Steve Shasta), Sunday, 7 June 2009 03:43 (ten years ago) link
His voice and songs fuckin' break my heart. And that's all that matters to me.
― banjoboy, Sunday, 28 June 2009 01:59 (ten years ago) link
^^^ this is really, really great. i think i actually like it better than all the records.
― *steens furiHOOSly* (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 26 August 2011 15:50 (seven years ago) link
its well mastered too so it sounds really warm and organic, all the albums always felt like they were recorded in a sardine can to me.
― *steens furiHOOSly* (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 26 August 2011 15:53 (seven years ago) link
"This DJ tried to ask me how it felt to be leading the Progressive Country movement, I told him we played Regressive Country." - emmylou
― *steens furiHOOSly* (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 26 August 2011 16:25 (seven years ago) link
ohh i didn't know about that, and now i need it.
― puerile fantasies (Matt P), Friday, 26 August 2011 16:41 (seven years ago) link
I've never really dug deep into Parsons catalog but I gotta say that the Hank Williams inversion in Hippie Boy is pretty clever
I didn't hear Sweetheart of the Rodeo until long after I'd gotten familiar with Bakersfield's country scene and it just sounded like half-assed shit to me. maybe I would feel differently about it now.
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 December 2013 19:10 (five years ago) link
i much prefer ISB, burrito bros, and solo parsons to sweetheart of the rodeo, unless it's the parson-sung originals. mcguinn isn't convincing on that album, imo
― marcos, Monday, 16 December 2013 19:19 (five years ago) link
yep. solo parsons > burritos >>> sweetheart.
― fit and working again, Monday, 16 December 2013 19:25 (five years ago) link
sweetheart is a totally sweet record
― tylerw, Monday, 16 December 2013 22:49 (five years ago) link
I thought that was a Chris Hillman track?
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Tuesday, 17 December 2013 13:50 (five years ago) link
― calstars, Sunday, 23 July 2017 00:41 (two years ago) link
Buritto no 2 vs Rundgren's Hello it's me
― calstars, Sunday, 23 July 2017 00:43 (two years ago) link
Latter may be more smooth but former has the energy
― calstars, Sunday, 23 July 2017 00:45 (two years ago) link
Is "Oh Lord, grant me speed" a reference to speed.....or speed?
― Sam Weller, Friday, 10 May 2019 08:16 (two months ago) link
That line is from the bible.
― Kim Kimberly, Friday, 10 May 2019 14:48 (two months ago) link
i promise that i'm going to go back and read the other 102 posts in this thread, but wtf is up with the first three posts. holy shit, a criticism of G.P. /Grievous Angel that "parsons's voice works much better in tandem with another singer", without even mentioning that those albums were basically duets with emmylou fucking harris?
it's been a very gram parsons weekend. i have been fond of his byrds output for a while now, and knew the 'hot burritos' on the first flying burrito bros, but i had never really set aside a bunch of consecutive time to focus on his albums with the bros and his solo albums. they are so, so good. i love that feeling of hearing a personal instant classic, knowing i'm going to hear these songs a ton of more times.
― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Saturday, 8 June 2019 20:12 (one month ago) link
Early ILX is pretty much ChallopsCity.
― a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 8 June 2019 20:16 (one month ago) link
That’s the place for you and me
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 June 2019 22:33 (one month ago) link